UN Envoy Warns Violence May Force Diplomats Out Of Somalia Wednesday, April 23, 2014 The top United Nations envoy to Somalia warned Tuesday that the U.N. and other foreign diplomats may have to withdraw from the war-ravaged nation if they continue to be attacked. He spoke the same day that two Al-Shabab gunmen killed a Somali legislator as he left his home in Mogadishu, marking the second fatal attack on a member of parliament in as many days. U.N. Special Representative Nicholas Kay said attacks that cause "significant losses" would likely force international officials to leave or, at least, pare down their missions in the Somali capital of Mogadishu. "I am deeply conscious that if we make a mistake in our security presence and posture, and suffer a significant attack, particularly on the U.N., this is likely to mean to us withdrawing from Somalia," Kay said at the U.S. Institute of Peace in Washington. "There are scenarios in which if we take further significant losses, then that would have a strategic effect on our mission," Kay said. Western diplomats began increasing ties with Mogadishu after Somali civil activist Hassan Sheikh Mohamud was elected president in September 2012. At the time, the West cautiously predicted improvements in Somalia's security, given the expected stability Mohamud's government would bring to the failed state and the ouster of rebel network Al-Shabab from Mogadishu the year earlier. But Al-Shabab has continued its drumbeat of deadly attacks against diplomats, aid workers and the Somali government. Earlier this month, a gunman at an airport in Somalia's Puntland region shot and killed two consultants working for the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. And in June 2013, the U.N. compound in Mogadishu was the scene of a deadly suicide attack staged by Al-Shabab, which has called the U.N. "a merchant of death" in Somalia. The violence has slowed U.S. enthusiasm for stepping up its Somali mission, which is currently based in neighboring Kenya due to the security threats. It's unlikely that the U.S. will establish an embassy in Mogadishu for at least another several years. A handful of countries — including Great Britain, Turkey, Sudan, Libya and Yemen — have embassies in Mogadishu. The European Union also has an office there. As recently as last week, officials announced the deployment of about 400 Ugandan troops to Somalia under a new United Nations guard unit charged with protecting U.N. staff and installations. It's part of an effort that Kay described Tuesday as the U.N. re-bolstering its presence in Mogadishu after pulling back to Kenya following last June's attack on its compound. "We have to measure our presence," Kay said, adding that he has encouraged more U.N. member states to open or expand programs in Somalia. However, he described a perilous balance between "believing that it is right that we should be there" and facing the risk of doing so. "I'm also deeply conscious there are risks," Kay said. "And if we got hit very badly, it might have an impact."

Tallaabo under no circumstance can security and other issues be shared with the south even in a brief period of time i am also strongly opposed for SL to send troops to Somalia. Eventually it will get to a referendum the koonfurians will try to prolong this the Qataris suggested in 2013 a 10 year time this is ridiculous. Somaliland should exhaust these talks with them and eventually trust me the Europeans if there is mediating factor there will be a reasonable out come. The reason why the Koonfurians said lets meet every 3 months its to prolong these talks before a settlement is reached, they to know it. Problem the union 1960 seemed attractive because Somalilanders never knew koonfurians and their politicking and the way they do things, but today there is nothing and ofcourse 23 years of independence cant be reversed in 2 years time it will be a quarter century. I believe Somaliland should continue these talks its going to be very interesting.

Somaliland economy is more connected to Ethiopia than its to Somalia. The international community has to be fair and impartial if they wish to mediate between the 2 groups.Not to further Link Somaliland to Somalia and waste more time. Somaliland is always open for talks it always said it was but it cant reverse its statehood that is suicidal.The fundamental contention between the 2 countries is that the 2 made a union a union , equal union, both states, united there was an act of union some say it was never ratified. South Sudan was a region of Sudan which fought for independence the Eritrean Ethiopian model is closer to Somalia and Somaliland conflict. Somalia nationalists can never accept this either Puntland jubbaland galmudug , what will happen to their federal states in those period of 10 years. The best thing for southerners is stop wasting more time and lets say good bye to each other and call it a day.

By the way this is a rip of the south sudan and sudan model but this cannot work for the situations are 2 different in Somaliland and Somalia , South sudan agreed to be an autonomous state under Sudan. Somaliland has never ever acknowledged to be under Somalia this is the fundamental difference between the 2. There is no point to exhaust another 10 years and waste another 10 years and than still separate i prefer the Eritrean model where the 2 agreed to hold a referendum in brief period of time. This can work , a north south power sharing formula will only frustrate Somalia nationalist. And divide Somalia further into clan states.

This can never happen Somaliland can never agree with a union with Somalia it will be a major loss for Somaliland and a win for the Koonfurians. If there is ever going to be a confederal union the referendum has to be 5 years. Not 10 years thats way to long and way to long to reach a settlement , i believe the talks will continue and the 2 will not reach an agreement any time soon it has to be mediated by a 3rd party before such an agreement can be reached. I heard about the 10 year union referendum rumors last year but through qatar channels it remains just rumors how ever. The only way Somalia and Somaliland can agree Is that Somalia is allowed in the period ahead of the referendum to hold rallies in SL to promote their union And that Somaliland agrees to share and cooperate in peace as confederal states and foreign affairs for short period of time. I doubt the whole president prime minister can be reached its to senstive

I have already said before that it is possible Alshabaab cannot continue its war and the SFG cant keep on holding the country captive for African union countries some one has to break the stalemate , its obvious the SFG doesn't have the ability to fill the vacuum when cities and towns are liberated the cities remain unsafe and its security remains very fragile and homicide bombers can still penetrate it. Alshabaab biggest reason for their Jihad is the Foreign forces and the lack of Sharia law ,both can reach a compromise on neutral ground with the right arbitrators a cease fire and the removal of African troops partly i think shabaab can be pursued to have such a deal even Godane and the other Hard liners. Alshabaab and the SFG both hurt the Somali state and Somali in the long term if no peace deal is reached the AU troops will continue to enrich themselves, And Alshabaab will never be able to really defeat the AU troop they might even prolong the AU forces, cooler heads are needed in this conflict it can be done but not by the international community it has to come from Somalis. The international community is fine with the status quo.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Xaaji but this strategy can only do so much. Al Shabab can never control large swathes of Somalia's territory like they did in the past. They can never control the entire country and be Somalia's Government. Whereas the Taliban in Afghanistan has a very real chance of becoming the Government of that country once the NATO troops start withdrawing. There have even been talks of negotiations between the two parties and it's a very possible scenario. Al Shabab has no chance in governing Somalia. You can't really compare our two countries. There's very little similarities even though the strategies of Godane and Mullah Omar might be similar. Alshabaab have the odds against them but eventually they cannot be defeated and the SFG and the Amisom led governments need to sign some sort of agreement with them. The same way the Taliban and the United states are in constant talks even though there is no cease fire. I think Alshabaab has shot themselves in the foot when they made an alliance with Alqaeda nonetheless they still have some cards left similar like the Taliban to exhaust the Amisom troops the same the Taliban has exhausted the Isaf and NATO forces. Mullah omar in 2005 got rid of all the Alqaeda cell and the Arab jihadist and created a Pashtun Islamic front he reformed The Taliban he forced the Alqaeda forces to operate separately from the Taliban, and they went underground and terrorizing ISAF forces and they managed to still control large swats of Territory. Alshabaab is using the exact the same strategy to remain relevant in the war and their struggle against the AU troops.

I fear for Edo Fawziya i hope she repents and comes back home.

Doctor i dont really think people care what Europeans or Americans might think, people do not put to much weight on the opinions of other Foreigners, its all about the survival of the fittest. Somalis in general have never valued the opinion of others specially non Somali groups only when it concerns how it can advance their interest. For example Somalis will deal the Europeans ask for AID and support but thats where it ends but just so that they can advance their own interest regional country sub region. If you tell a Somali the European thinks we are the same, he will tell you so what does that mean my people should submit to your tribe so what what the Europeans think. Somalis never respected international law and borders not that long ago they declared war on Ethiopia and Kenya in the name of ethno nationalism. Do you think Somalis will value the opinion of the Europeans after the demise of the Somali state.

This is normal a turbulent past rivalries animosities distrust will make sure the horn of Africa as a whole will never really be peaceful. Because we wish to annihilate each other some in the name of Somalinimo some in the name of Takfirnimo some in the name of Tribal union. History is what makes people, it has been 23 years and the first frictions started in the 1970s this will only continue,the Question no one wants to lose no one wants to be on the dark side of the History in 50 years time or 100 years time. This is a crucial time i used to think the late 1980s were Crucial this is more crucial than ever. Ninki roon ba reerka u hadhaya Zerosum game Haa dhakhleyso

Alshabaab strategy is to cut of main roads to big cities and cut of logistics of the African union troops and control the country side they basically go under ground this gives them time to re group re take control of smaller towns. They will never launch large scale attacks because that will ruin them. They have taken the strategy of Mullah Omar, Since Amiir Godane trained in Afghanistan with the Taliban he understands what type of tactics that can work. Since the Somali government and the international community has no real interest to develop proper intelligence and proper policing and the SFG bureaucrats are corrupt this gives the Alshabaab the time. Alshabaab strategy simple regroup re organize take smaller towns cut of the supply to major cities combined with homicide and car bombs in big cities.

What a load of bull crap international what did not give anything to SL the Somaliland took what belonged to her and the international community went along with it. Galaydh might run for presidency but he doesn't stand a chance not a chance. As for the D1r mps in Somalia Somaliland has no influence on them they go with highest bidder of the HAG pay them they will go with them they have no allegiance to Somaliland, so if galaydh pays the right price perhaps they will vote for him its all about the money for them. Trust me as long as Mogadishu is the capital and the situation in Mogadishu remains fragile interest groups in the middle east and the broader international community will make sure another HAG takes the presidency of Mogadishu.

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^president hassan won the political game to when he named Farax topaz Constitution minister when he managed to remove saacid, and when Faroole lost the elections., When he managed that Jubba state comes under SFG jurisdiction and does not became an autonomous state. When he managed and aid allocation to his government, hassan is still winning the political game against Garowe and the other opponents

^^ I doubt it he has not the numbers in parliament and his kin the larger D have no interest to back him for the presidency , He might have created Khatumo climb the political ladder how ever he started with the Speaker of parliament and he lost i doubt he has a chance for the Mogadishu seat. But we shall see in 2 years ba inaga xigta. By the way no one said Khatumo was created for Somaliland it just helps Somaliland strategically since garowe is not willing to support an independent entity between them and Somaliland, Somaliland has gained more territory since Khatumo was created.

Lol i dont know whats crazier a Khatumo republic in-between SL and pl or galaydh being president of Mogadishu lol.

Actually one of the most richest in Uganda is a Somalilander Amina Mohammed hersi, Ethnic Somalilanders in Kenya are not that many there are more Koonfurians in Kenya because they came there as refugees there is no need to brag about the slums of islii. By the way there is no politics in Kenya, its all dominated by Kenyans Kikuyu and other Kenyan Bantus if you talk about some MPS it doesn't really matter , People in east Africa from Somalia or Somaliland are only relevant business wise.

^^ Lool and do you think the SL government cares about tantrums , its all about dancing to he tunes he is saying what Khatumo nationalist want to hear, he knows what they want to hear, Trust me on this Galaydh and his group its not really about him but his group will join SL how much u wanna bet?

Khatumo is destined to be with Somaliland eventually the finance minister and their biggest garaad and supporter of the project is in hargeisa. Just read the topic Khatumo process merging with SL and how it develops. Gol khatumo is where the USP party was formed USP was a Somaliland party in the 1950s. What you are missing cali khalif biggest constituency are all die hard Somalilanders from Laascanood, he making noise is just to have a bigger share before he joins the bandwagon, Malistar dont say XX did not tell you

I think Kay is right on this some one blew themselves up today there Car bomb kills Somali lawmaker en route to security conferenc By Omar Nor and Holly Yan, CNN Monday, April 21, 2014 Mogadishu, Somalia (CNN) -- A Somali lawmaker was killed and another was injured when a bomb hidden in their car exploded while they were headed to a conference on security, officials said. Parliamentarian Isack Mohamed Ali, popularly known as Isak Rino, was killed, and lawmaker Mohamed Ali was seriously injured, said Mohamed Abdiqadir Mohamed, district commissioner of Mogadishu's Hamarweyne district. Four passersby were also hurt. The parliamentarians were on their way to to a national conference on security when the bomb, hidden under one of the car's seats, exploded. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack. But Prime Minister Abdiweli Sheikh Ahmed said those behind the "cowardly" attack will be found. "Somalia has today lost a committed parliamentarian who worked tirelessly to serve the people of Somalia and help rebuild our country," Ahmed said in a statement. "This cowardly attack will not derail the progress made in Mogadishu and across Somalia. The security agencies will investigate this cowardly killing and ensure that those who carried out this attack face justice." Source: CNN

^^ That is because all the other Somalis wanted to be treated like the other Bantus Luhyas Kikuyu luos and all the others in Kenya, but the afro hashemites wanted to pay higher tax so that they can have better schools better education and better health care and better all of that better jobs and live in better areas. By the way Somaliland predates , Somalia way before general afweyne was born. Its the same as today most Koonfurians are happy with Turks feeding the mothers and children where as African union troops protect the governmental institutions and their leaders. People have different mindsets different behaviors different interests different values and ethics and morals different images. The same way Kenyan Somalis defend their Bantu overlords against their own. Sultan xassan tarabi in 1889 said Cuqaal talisa Boqor caaddila iyo culimo miisaan leh. Ilaahi Carshiga Nuuriyoow kaaga caban mayno. Caddaankaanu wada loollanaa madaw cisaynmayno, its the same.

he is a puntlander pretending to be an HAG wey ka muuqata Mooge xaaji xunjuf wa dad yaqaan

Homunculus where did i say i support al qaeda , and where did i say i hate others, i just stated some relevant facts , thats all

puntland rising ,, u are right there are some Somalilanders such as Amiir Godane who are in the south to fight a Jihad against the African union troops

Puntland rising there is no such thing as a khatumo clan in Kismayo nor are the awdal clans in shebalede hose ,,, and there are no SNM in xamar.