The detoore the father of tribal unionists has spoken lolz

Peace action no one in SL objected that Hargeysa should not be the capital and certainly not Borama do u know how close Borama is to Hargeisa, Berbera and burco and Borama are all very close to Hargeysa capital. But i would not be against if the capital of SL is moved to Burco or ceerigaabo in the future so that those regions and cities can have allot of attention. But i am not saying i have all the answers for Somalia as you try to proclaim , i merely said that Somalia does not need clan federalism Somalia needs to remain one unitary state, in order for it to prevail.

Federalism based on clan will only destroy the notion of Somalia citizenship. No need to slice somalia in clan states that are under the mercy of Kenya. Jigjiga looks good when u compare it to bosaaso or garowe. but it looks like a ghost town when u compare it to Bahir dar Adama Mekelle and other Ethiopian major cities. There is still allot of suffering and lack of development in the Somali kilil. Yeah sure there are some projects i was in 2012 in Jigjiga it was making some progress but its not something to be excited about when u know whats going on in the rest of Ethiopia, we also need to adress the Oromo danger of the Somali kilil, together. Detoore the union i am speaking of is in the Long term and it goes beyond Somalia its from the NFD to the Somali Kilil to Djibouti a broader Somali union based on equality justice and cooperation. Its to interlink Somali territories based on common commonalities and interest and to revive the basic principles of Somali solidarity in the horn of africa, The territory of the Somalis is huge and their numbers are rapidly growing , i believe this is the best formula.to create and better the lives of Millions of people.

My initiative to have the union of Somali republics ,the USR, is to up hold the rights of Somalis in both Ethiopia and Kenyan Somalis and those in Ethiopia, not to absorb them per say. But to support their interest in those countries both politically, and economically. For example the USR would support autonomy for Kenyas north eastern province Linking Garisa and wajjir to the wider Somali peninsula. While not violating international law. Somalis need to learn allot from the past, that annexing these territories will only outrage the wider world. But by supporting our people inside those regions we can make sure that their lives gradually improve and ofcourse we will link them through our union, even up to secession if necessary and than giving them the right to join the USR as a sovereign state. But u have to slowely work towards this we must not take hasty or emotional decision, when dealing with Ethiopia and Kenya.

Yes it would be a regional power house in East Africa in terms of economy trade political importance in the region, a real cooperation between the Somali countries. The most important thing is to make some great significant deals between Somaalis. The advantages would be to interlink the economies even eventually integrate politically which could create stronger political ties between all Somali territories, this latter step needs to be done in a more efficient way. There are allot of complexities especially from countries such as kenya and Ethiopia which host allot of Somalis in their respectable countries and Somalis who own large parts of those countries. Also another problem is Somalia and Somaliland dispute and the longer it takes for the 2 to reconcile and respect each others wishes , the longer it takes to restore stronger ties between the 2. People distrust each other because politicians are not honest.If Somaliland was given its recognition in the early 1990s Somalias conflict would have been long solved and we would be in phase 2 of creating a more stronger and comprehensive Union, we would have several financial cities in the Somali peninsula we would be holding parliament sessions on how to build and forge Militarily ties, between the countries. But the war in Somalia terrorism and Ethiopia and Kenya taking advantage of the zerosum game between Somalis, is making this so difficult. If i was a leader i would put allot of money and effort on reconciling Somalis of Somalia, and make them understand that their future is only in their own hands, and that if they want a union with Somaliland there are allot of ways to achieve that.

Mr Galbeedi , i am for an equal union sharing a union based on equality justice and cooperation i want a union of Somali republics , Somalia Somaliland Djibouti Kilil Somali and NFD can become observer members , we will cooperate on strategic Somali interest in the region both politically economically, eventually we will have a stronger union, we can have one parliament one currency and one passport eventually. It will take years and ofcourse allot of sincerity from all the Somali politicians, to make such a union. Somali shan bay ahayd shanta madal kaliya oo farsameysan mala isug keeni kara dhaqaalo ahaan siayasad aha dhaqan ahaan umad ahaan. It can be done but we need new visions new ideas for it to function. Not a union based on hatred and envy and undermining each other. Allot of Somalilanders will be open for such a broader union between Somali nations. But for that to happen people need to respect the wishes and aspirations of the people of Somaliland to be a free and sovereign independent state. The right to choose Somalia as its partner in the region.

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> Doctorkenedy, if the capital comes to hargeisa , they will think big, also they are generous with the guests. No one is even close to Hargeisa in terms of promotion and Somali poetry. Just look back how the famous northerns made propaganda for the Kacaan. Your making a grave mistake , if Hargeysa was given the seat the of the Somali state in 1960, they would have accepted it and would have welcomed it. But they were not given that honer , and i to to some extent agree with that Mogadishu was far more urbanized and had far better architecture and was well advanced but even if that was the case. The southern elites should have envisioned that the future and the togetherness of the Somali republic is dependent on it to construct and build Hargeisa and to make it the capital. The southern and northern culture is slightly different , the northern politicians never asked for political seats when the union happened. And we can say they were naive or the southern politicians were far more ahead of the northern political elites. Somalilanders sacrificed their own independent state for the union , something i would have never done, but the generation in the 1950s was different they endured colonialism Haile selassie stealing territories, when cigaal and micheal mariama and Garad ali and keyse and the 2 sultan diiriyes traveled to Mogadishu the people forced Cigaal to bring nothing less union, the people clearly stated that anything less than a union is a defeat for them. Times has changed today the story is different. New poltical realties this is the 2014 hargeysa

Galbeedi you know my opinion i would really build a healthy union based on cultural close kinship and Somali solidarity could shine from Somaliland to the NFD, a union stronger than that of the Russian federation or the European union with proper rules and regulations and strong Somali core principles and values.If you asked me in 1989 what do you think of the Somali republic, i would say lets rebuild the old Somali republic with a real power center in Mogadishu. But times have changed, new generations have been born and new political realities are on the ground today. The southern Somalis are also looking for their tribal interest and who can blame them they suffered the most the past 2 decades and you want to take away their triumph Somalia capital, so galbeedi if you want a real union between Somalis it has to be a union based on honesty based on nationalities a union based cooperation a union that works for all people not the racist greater Somalia, But a strong Somali union between the Somali republics, this is something that both the people of Somaliland and the people of Djibouti are open for to link Somali territories closer to each other, But the longer Somaliland statehood is denied the longer it takes before there can be a genuine union.

2 to 3 weeks not sure yet.

Doctor that might be true to some extend but reer Mogadishu are almost 3 million people its far from village i am planning to visit the place this summer , every city a clan is the Majority there is no city or a town with out a clan majority Mogadishu is not an exception. Now i am old enough to remember the old Somali republic and How Mogadishu was during my younger years and its far from people with a clan mentality the People of Mogadishu what i have been told became hardened people by the plight and the misery the city endured the past 2 decades, and this is not entirely this fault Mogadishu the assal reer Muqdishu are really reer magaal people Nomadic culture from the central regions and all over the old Somali republic came to Mogadishu and all contributed to the city. There is really no other city that can replace Mogadishu in terms of prestige and majestic past and historic civilization of the city it will take time for Somalis to overcome the trauma and the wars.But eventually i am sure Mogadishu will serve Somalia again.

Facts on the ground Somaliland controls the Land the Pirates are mere bystanders , Galaydh is doing all he can to make sure his clan are disconnected from the garowe clan enclave and he is doing a great job he will eventually jump the boat Galaydh is a shrewd politician and he knows what is at stake, its not about him its about where he is leading the caravan. Siilaanyo is a political genius to from strategic point of view , Garaad jamac hails from Holhol thats where his clan hails from and Laascanood ,the garaad is not a small person he was one of the co founders of Khatumo. On your cabdi cawar point he made a mistake when he made karaash minister karaash is hated by the indhasheel group of khatumo and garaad jamac garad ali, the other garaad jama,you rewarded them cabdi cawar has no clue what he is doing if you ask me, since cabdi cawar is irrelevant in the whole political rivalry between the SL government and the Khatumo group. Somaliland strategy is much better and much more fruitful in the long run holhol to be a permanent military base for SL Allow khatumo to be a buffer zone between SL and the garowe admin Maintain normal relations with Mogadishu empower Mogadishu Slowly move into more territories in the eastern sool region. What i mean by winning is simple since siilaanyos admin Somaliland took Xudun karin dabaylweyn widhwidh holhol and sieged taleex, almost all towns in eastern sool are under Somaliland i consider this a major win. dont you Siilaanyo made a historic trip to laasqoray in which the puntland admin responded with argagax. Siilaanyo brought anti SL groups such as prof samaatar Garaad jamac to the fold He established normal relations with Mogadishu and an ongoing talks with them Siilaanyo brought the ssc leaders xaglatoosiye to Hargeysa Cali dacuun the most anti SL person ever is now in hargeisa Siilaanyos strategy works the past 3 years is the result.

The elites of Mogadishu will never agree for the capital to be re located its like shooting your self deliberately in the balls. Especially now when Mogadishu is recovering if Mogadishu was the capital in the 1990s and it went through so many wars warlords vs warlords versus Ethiopian soldiers versus Islamic courts unions versus shabaab ugandans. Today the city is becoming a normal town despite the major challenges Alshabaab is gone there are still some security problems, but the city is under construction and new businesses are re opened refugees from the countryside are returning in the thousands. So why will the capital be changed. Mogadishu is lucky it has a coast it has a fine temperature its not near the border a big population , i dont see a better alternative than Mogadishu.

There is no point biindhe and karaash were the enemies of khatumo and sold Khatumo out to garowe. Galaydh said that he does not mind Somaliland aslong as the POWS are released., The VP is not important its a symbolic position ina ali shire was vp to. Puntland is no where to be seen in the sool region there is a small khatumo faction in some parts of the eastern taleex district there is no Puntland whats so ever. SL has never alienated any group with in SL that the door is always open for reconciliation and unity. Somaliland is winning eventually cali dacuun is back Garad jamac is back the finance minister of khatumo is now with SL and the governor of taleex is leading the SL army in eastern sool.. Somaliland has won it has not been in a better position ever. Siilaanyo is genius and great strategist regarding the eastern regions of SL. last month he took over karin dabayl weyn the entire south eastern sool region. He send delegation to boocame and a mayor there. His army surrounded Taleex and made a permanent military settlement in Holhol, Somaliland has adopted the right tactics in the region

Peace action the garowe administration shot themselves in the foot when they made karaash and biindhe ministers in their government. Remember in 2013 in November karaash and his militia along with PL militia massacred people in taleex. Somaliland is not in talks with Garowe there is nothing to talk about , Somaliland prefers to talk to galaydh and his group instead of talking to cabdi cawar where is cabdi cawar in the sool region?

The legality of Somaliland borders were acknowledged by both the AU and the former OAU and its boundaries are enshrined in every African union treaties that the borders of Africa should remain as they were at the time of independence. Somaliland sovereignty is enforced by its troops on the ground controlling the Land. South Sudan and Sudan case is different South sudan was given a referendum on Independence if the so initial origin country that is sudan supports the break up of its republic than there is no international law that can keep them together. Somalia and Somaliland act of union was never ratified Somalia and Somaliland made a union the union is even acknowledged by ur leaders. Second you keep talking about the Somali constitution , the Somali constitution is still in transition it needs to be adopted and approved by parliament and a referendum needs to be held to adopt the constitution your government in Mogadishu will testify on that even Nickolas kay will say the same to you on that. The Middle clan is not claiming Laascanood and boocame , not because of clan but because of citizenship countrymen and having the same nationality history traditions and so on. The same way u share a country with your Galmudug cousins. And ofcourse i never said Puntland is a nation a small clan in the north of Somalia cannot be a nation i totally agree detoore...

Detoore Puntland holds no territory inside Somaliland all the garaad clans are behind SL and some are with Khatumo , but khatumo to serves sl interest in the region, you cant dethrone an elder he is not a politician u get it through the line of dhalasho wa dhaxal awoow. Puntland has lost all of it and they keep on losing either territory or support, Axmed karaash town is under Somaliland the same as holhol, and Taleex is surrounded by SL troops and its by default Somaliland while khatumo is inside the town, where is garowe in all of this detoore why dont you admit that Puntland has lost to SL.

Detoore you are missing the point as usual i thought u were a sharp shooter, Jubba state was agreed on under the SFG jurisdiction , no such thing as Jubbaland or an autonomous state , the SFG will not fall the it has the blessing of the international community and the support of one of the most important constituencies in Somalia in south and central Somalia., Somaliland government and the Somali government in Mogadishu have warm relations and some sort of understanding. There are some issues they still differ , Somaliland is not the enemy of the SFG, you are wrong. There are some disagreements on a variety of issues but we are holding talks. Somaliland does not claim Mogadishu, many elites in the Xamar government understand what is at stake but they themselves cannot make hasty decisions because they have no full control over the country with the AU troops being every where the situation is fragile down south. Let me share a secret with you that Hargeisa and Mogadishu are in talks every few days through the Phone everything is being worked out behind the scenes. And the 2 will meet in Turkey begin next week again , Mogadishu wants to consolidate its power from Raskamabooni to raas caseer. The first phase is to make sure that Kismayo comes under Mogadishu and not under Nairobi politically and diplomatically and the next phase is to make sure the Somali government troops are empowered in south and central Somalia and defeat shabaab, and the 3rd phase is that Mogadishu becomes diplomatically more relevant int he region to fight Nairobi and addis ababa meddling in Somalia. When the Xamar government controls all of Somalia , is when Somaliland and and Somalia led by the Mogadishu government can sort things out this is the strategy of the Mogadishu government. We have told hassan that he does not need Garowe he just needs to make sure the IC continues to support his government ,garowe has nothing to add to the Somali government. The power center of Somalia should remain Mogadishu Baydhabo , hassan understands that the best way is to ingore Cabdi cawar. lET Him crawl to Mogadishu and align him behind the leaders of Mogadishu.

So where will the Qat come from do the People in Somalia like Qat from Ethiopia is Ethiopia qat import an alternative for the Miira qat.

By the way detoore is trying to revive a dead political clanish nationalism its gone my friend political h@rism is gone with the wind there is nothing left karaash u talk about can karaash visit xudun the town he was born in. When the creation of ssc was made Puntland call for h@rtism died ssc later made peace with SL. today garaad jamac garaad ismaciil is in SL Today one of the major co founders of khatumo and ssc and he re affirmed the tolnimo the close ties the close kinship with the rest of the SL communities and his clant he garaad clan, this is not bogus if your political h@rtism had any relevance in today political in the HOA large segments of the garaad clan would not be in Hargeisaa and reject garowe the next group do also reject garowe which galaydh and his group and his garad jamac garaad ali, but the funny part is galaydh and his clan overwhelmingly are in Somaliland and support Somaliland, there is nothing left for you osman.Somaliland has single handly destroyed the H@rtism myth. listen from 3:50 Dadku wa Somaliland dalkuna wa Somaliland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEoZ3dzuLg

Galbeed there are no talks The Ethiopian government was just hosting the tana conference it holds every year, Ethiopia has no interest to make peace between Somalis whether Somalia or Somaliland it doesnt serve their interet. Second we are not that important for the world there were wars the past decade between SL and the garowe administration no one really cared.Any way i believe nothing major is changing the only talks that are legitimate brokered by the IC is the Somalia and Somaliland talks. As for detoore the pirates are just but talks you havent fired a single shot towards sool the past 8 years where is this empty bravado coming from? Somaliland cares little about what the IC says its borders are the borders of 1984 enshrined in the AU treaties signed by all the early african leaders. And it enforces its sovereignty with the barrel of the gun

Ciidan sultan slow down on the ill wishes for Somalia this not part of the Somaliland culture,, if its dead its also bad for Somaliland , Somalia is badly wounded and it lacks capable leaders and its people are fractured, this is a problem, and allot of soul searching is needed for both the communities and the politicians to understand what is at stake here.

There was a time Kenyans literately used to worship Somalis my o my what has the world changed and the region the once arrogant and stubborn Somalis, are now caged and their diplomatic representatives are humiliated.. There was a time European diplomats used to be terrified of Somali way of doing politics geo politics in the region , and the British crown was once forced to come and rescue Kenya from Somalis. And look at them today Kenyan leaders speak in a very condescending manner towards Somali politicians, very sad.

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Somalia condemns arrest of its consular in Nairobi Speaker of the Somali parliament Mohamed Sheik Osman Jawaari "We will not accept such intelerable attacks by Kenyan security on our diplomatic mission" Hiiraan Online By Shafi’i Mohyaddin Saturday, April 26, 2014 The Federal government of Somalia has on Saturday strongly condemned the arrest of its consular to Kenya Siyad Mahmoud Shire who was held in detention for several hours on Friday. The high profile diplomat was snatched from his home in Nairobi when heavily armed police officers raided his home and then took him on armoured vehicle. Several other people who were with him at the time were also detained, according to Somali government. Speaker of the Somali parliament Mohamed Sheik Osman Jawaari termed the diplomat’s arrest as an ‘agressive’ and unwanted move. “It is an irregular act and absolutely against international diplomatic rules that securty forces raid the home of such high profile diplomat” Somali parliament speaker said on Saturday. “We will not accept such intelerable attacks by Kenyan security on our diplomatic mission—I urge the cabinet to send an urgent complaint letter to Kenya and ask why their forces have done such barbaric raid and arrest of the Somali consular” the Speaker accentuated. “We don't want to play the bilateral relations between the two countries, but w are telling Kenya that Somali government will not accept the continuation of such arrests against our people” the speaker continued. Somali consular to Kenya Siyad Mahmoud Shire was finally released on Friday evening after a marathon efforts by the country’s ambassador to that country Mr. Mohamed Ali Nur (Ameeriko). For the past several weeks Kenya arrested nearly 4000 Somalis during a widespread police swoop. About two hundred of them were sent back home, while others are still being held in detentions. Email:islow@hiiraan.com

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