Red sea if he has said that then he is a fool

I am truely shocked, and angry to pit of my soul in your comments Captain Xalane, While the debate between Red Sea and Taako was not civil they both did not wish in my view for somalis to die! In my time in cyber space i seen somalis argue to point on naming calling to insulting each other tribes, like rooms such as Somalinet were idoit views on both sides in somali divide spew hate at each other i thought this room members had code were no clans will be insulted, no ideas of the person viewed and spewed with hate, i thought i left those types of debates behind, from your comment " As for this war,if its true then by all means its Good.Good in the sense that this shows how much weak the secessionists are and Good that it will diminish their strength.This is just another Good news for our boys,the somalian national troops". Your comment is direct insult to me and the soliders on both sides who would die on both sides. War as you see it is not lovely thing and supporting it regardless of what actions both sides do shows me how you view life its self. I have sense that you view life is something only for the strong and the weak to death, and anything that you view not right to only be solved through violences, that time of mind set as let somalia die for over 16 yrs my brother. You may not like somaliland, thats your view and i have no right to change it as the same you have no right to change my view, but wishing more fighting more death is utter disgrace in my view in what claim as Somali unity, if you wish to see fight. You and i can claim which troops on which sides will win, but the soliders will be the ones dieng, a mother will loss a son, a child a father, a wife a husband. We can sit here a scream for blood on both sides but in the end the real winner will be death who will claim more blood in the soil of already bloody soiled region. So Sir i hope your cheerful joys of death fall onto deaths ears and that peace is maintained in the North. And please dont scream and cry that you guies are the ones that started it, learn the facts the reasons on the ground, and call for calm and peaceful talk between both sides as i will on my side, but scream for war and death is key to total destruction on both sides.

lol

Both you guies need to relax you both made your points yelling at each other is taken you both no were.

LOOOL will tell that to Taako, agression wait until tommrow brother and see if this story is true.

Garaad Caanood, i agree with the last point of yours my brother.

Taako i said that beacuse you are acting like a hypocrate, if you calling the Somaliland leader stooge look in the other side and claim the same to the TFG leader thats my point only.

Taako is not the leader of TFG leader a stooge of Zenawi lool.

Regardless i still have much respect for Red Sea, even if we both disageeon this issue.

Red Sea my brother to have somaliland free we need partner on the other side at this point its the TFG, thats my point only.

trsust me taako, the economist is not tabliod, what they are writing is facts, the issue of somaliland is being looked at and remeber you of ethiopia on side who maybe saying let them go, in addition to the fact of the problem of SSC, i think the TFG is doing noble thing of looking at it know and not waiting for it. Plus Taako i thought you be happy, the issue of SSC would be resolved and somaliland would get there freedom all and all a good thing for both sides

Please my brother detail me what you fear that so much scares you.

Yes i am happy brother Taako, the economist is serious established newspaper not tabliod, but i think there are serious talks within the TFG that is it worth it to keep somaliland if the people in that region dont want to be in the union, it makes sense that the TFG would single this view point to see what the somaliland side views it. I hope they talk and peacefull resolution to union between somaliland and somalia is done. LOOOOOOL

relax people the issue is not serious trust me.

Ethiopia occuppying land is slim the AU wont allow it.

Very good read from the UK newspaper the economist about the issue in Somalia and the aspect of somaliland being let go if the Disputed regions are dropped on the somaliland side. Abdillahi Yusuf may ask Somaliland to give up disputed regions in return for Independence Somalia: What next?= From The Economist print edition, 18 Jan. 2007= WITH the backing of Ethiopian forces and American intelligence, government forces have quickly recaptured all of central and southern Somalia's towns, including the capital, Mogadishu. Now the important questions are how many of the defeated Islamists have gone to ground, where they are and what their aims are. Some of their harsher commanders are at large but their support seems, for the moment, to have shrunk. The Americans admit that the three top al-Qaeda men they at first thought they had killed in air strikes last week are still alive, but no one seems to know where they are lurking. By refusing to negotiate even with the more moderate Islamists, Somalia's newly triumphant government may alienate many Somalis and drive militants who are in hiding back into the arms of al-Qaeda, which previously had very little direct support. Transitional-government ministers sound sour about their lack of popularity in many parts of Mogadishu; but they will have to be more conciliatory if they are to have a chance of governing effectively. Nonetheless, the transitional government is in a brazen mood. It briefly shut down Mogadishu radio stations for reporting attacks made against Ethiopian troops in the city. The transitional president, Abdullahi Yusuf, has stirred controversy by declaring that Somaliland, the rather well-run northern bit of Somalia that has kept out of the war, will stay part of Somalia forever. This angers most Somalilanders, who in effect seceded from the rest of the country in 1991. However, Mr Yusuf, once the leader of neighbouring Puntland, another semi-autonomous chunk of land to the north-east, may be preparing for an agreement whereby Somaliland would give up disputed bits of its territory in return for independence. Progress towards replacing Ethiopian troops with peacekeepers under the aegis of the African Union has been patchy, though vital for the transitional government's credibility. The Ethiopians have said that they will leave “within weeks”. Somalia's transitional prime minister, Mohamed Gedi, says he expects troops from Malawi, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa and Uganda to be on the ground by the end of the month, but that is news to many of them. Nigeria and Senegal have yet to agree to help out; South Africa says it is weighing its options. Yet unless the Ethiopians leave and peacekeepers come in soon, the government's honeymoon could end pretty fast. It is a sad measure of the insouciance with which the world treats Somalia that it has managed to drop out of the headlines in the space of a week.

Very good read from the UK newspaper the economist about the issue in Somalia and the aspect of somaliland being let go if the Disputed regions are dropped on the somaliland side. Abdillahi Yusuf may ask Somaliland to give up disputed regions in return for Independence Somalia: What next?= From The Economist print edition, 18 Jan. 2007= WITH the backing of Ethiopian forces and American intelligence, government forces have quickly recaptured all of central and southern Somalia's towns, including the capital, Mogadishu. Now the important questions are how many of the defeated Islamists have gone to ground, where they are and what their aims are. Some of their harsher commanders are at large but their support seems, for the moment, to have shrunk. The Americans admit that the three top al-Qaeda men they at first thought they had killed in air strikes last week are still alive, but no one seems to know where they are lurking. By refusing to negotiate even with the more moderate Islamists, Somalia's newly triumphant government may alienate many Somalis and drive militants who are in hiding back into the arms of al-Qaeda, which previously had very little direct support. Transitional-government ministers sound sour about their lack of popularity in many parts of Mogadishu; but they will have to be more conciliatory if they are to have a chance of governing effectively. Nonetheless, the transitional government is in a brazen mood. It briefly shut down Mogadishu radio stations for reporting attacks made against Ethiopian troops in the city. The transitional president, Abdullahi Yusuf, has stirred controversy by declaring that Somaliland, the rather well-run northern bit of Somalia that has kept out of the war, will stay part of Somalia forever. This angers most Somalilanders, who in effect seceded from the rest of the country in 1991. However, Mr Yusuf, once the leader of neighbouring Puntland, another semi-autonomous chunk of land to the north-east, may be preparing for an agreement whereby Somaliland would give up disputed bits of its territory in return for independence. Progress towards replacing Ethiopian troops with peacekeepers under the aegis of the African Union has been patchy, though vital for the transitional government's credibility. The Ethiopians have said that they will leave “within weeks”. Somalia's transitional prime minister, Mohamed Gedi, says he expects troops from Malawi, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa and Uganda to be on the ground by the end of the month, but that is news to many of them. Nigeria and Senegal have yet to agree to help out; South Africa says it is weighing its options. Yet unless the Ethiopians leave and peacekeepers come in soon, the government's honeymoon could end pretty fast. It is a sad measure of the insouciance with which the world treats Somalia that it has managed to drop out of the headlines in the space of a week.

Garaad Caanood, that issue you dont have to worry about my brother lool.

i hope this story is not true no need for more blood especailly in the north

Mansa Munsa, i see that you love to debate my brother but i thought i already resolved this debate issue with you, but i guess not. So lets start back ok lol. On the issue of Sool and Sang i already told you i had no Issue if they choose to leave i just said that areas in Sang that suppported Somaliland should be left and areas in Sool who support somaliland would be kept and on the issue of Buhoodle i said if that area did not want to be in Somaliland to let them go. Trust one thing about somalilanders is that we are very bright group and unlike some unionist we will see that if sections of what you term SSC dont want to be part of somaliland then peaceful solution to issue most be made were the people in those regions rights are respected, the only thing i ask from the Unionst side is the same. You also said that "The current Hargeysa-based-admin (So-called Somaliland) is only northwest and is one-clan project" thats not true we in Adwal and areas of Sang so please brother be accuratae with saying things ok. On the issue of secession you say "Regarding, the secession its NOT my business, whoever wants to secede can do so" but then you through in this comment "its not main concern for me, but in real world International community cares, even Ethiopia that wishes to keep Somalia weak and divided is not ready for pandora box" lool Let me ask you this question my brother forget about SSC lets say that region is resolved, do you as somali and do you think SOMALIA will allow Somaliland to leave. lol If SSC areas want to be a state then i agree with you that they have to sit down with TFG and AU, like Somaliland lol. The politics of somalialnd is bright the issue of SSC will be resolved peacefully i beleive that, no people will be forced i hope you have the same view for people in Sang in support of us as i am view of groups in those regions in support of Somalia. Your last point is good one how do we solve, and coexist peacefully? I think its through talk, clan elders meeting and talking, there are alot of inter-marriages between our clans so at the heart of the matter we are brothers the issue is the direction we want to take our people, this all deepens on world involvment in our regions, also what happens in Ethiopia and Somalia affects our views so with all these factors the best aspect is to not kill each other and to respect each others views

Brother Taako two wrongs dont make it right.

As i known deep down you my brother, Garaad Caanood will never expect somaliland to leave lol. Let me break down your points one by one ok. 1 I already stated that if people in those regions IE Sool and Sang wanted to leave, i had no issue with that but in the case of Sang shifting of border rules would be needed to bring in sections of the population that support somaliland, for Sool the same thing. 2. With the issue of Budhoole i be a fair open minded person, and if that small section wants to leave is say somaliland should be nation for the people who belive in it not for the people who dont, thus your argument at me is resolved 3.With the case of Adwal when i said it was not nation and somaliland was i meant IE British Somaliland to 1960 Adwal was in Recongnized region of Recongnized independent nation called Somaliland. Also you i see from your comment "anyways presently irrelevant its just was one small chapter of the long history of Somali people" as pushing the issue aside, the reality is Somalis from day one North and South have not had common history and what i mean common kingdom linking the North and South like other groups who are ethnically the same, we have not had lets say in the ancient past King who controled vast areas of somalia, each people lived in there region IE there own little nations, so brother dont give the view that somalia as long history of clan linkage ok. 4.When you wrote down the source? when i said the A.U. found no pandra box if somaliland left you i was really shocked by your reaction. The report is year old and most people into somali news heard of it but i see a person like you needs proof so here are some links afro news the link is www.afrol.com/articles/19355 - 21k This is a direct quote:"The AU has so far taken the application by Somalilander President Rayale seriously. Despite fears that recognition would lead to the fragmentation of Somalia or other AU member states, an AU fact-finding mission in 2005 concluded the situation was sufficiently "unique and self-justified in African political history" that "the case should not be linked to the notion of 'opening a Pandora's box'." The AU fact-finding mission recommended that the AU "should find a special method of dealing with this outstanding case" at the earliest possible date. On 16 May this year, President Rayale met with the AU Commission Chairperson, Alpha Oumar Konaré, to discuss Somaliland's application for membership". Another link for you if you dont trust me lol www.unpo.org/article.php?id=3867 - 10k here is a direct quote: "Somaliland: AU Mission to Somaliland Says Recognition Overdue 2006-03-01 The African Union is coming under increased pressure from the breakaway Somaliland Republic to accord it recognition. This follows revelations that an AU fact-finding mission to Somaliland between April 30 and May 4, 2005, had expressed the opinion that Somaliland had been made a "pariah region" by default. It strongly recommended the country's recognition, saying that since its declaration of independence in 1991, Somaliland has been steadily laying the foundations of a democratic "modern state." However, the report of the mission – which was appointed by former president of Mali and chairperson of the AU Commission, Alpha Oumar Konare – has been kept under wraps and is yet to be discussed by the AU executive council for possible adoption by the heads of state summit. The mission also noted that the lack of recognition ties the hands of the authorities and people of Somaliland as they cannot effectively transact business with the outside world in pursuit of their reconstruction and development goals. It was of the view that while it is the primary responsibility of the authorities and people of Somaliland to make efforts to acquire political recognition from the international community, the AU should be disposed to judge the case of Somaliland from an objective historical viewpoint and a moral angle vis-a-vis the aspirations of its people. The authorities of Somaliland have successively visited the AU Commission in 2003, 2004, and early 2005, seeking an observer status for Somaliland within the AU, not only to be able to follow developments on the continent, but also to gain a platform from which the country can state its case for being recognised as a sovereign state. That proposed status is based on the recognition by the Somalilanders of the inherited colonial borders at the time of independence from Britain in June 1960. As a result, there is a visibly emotional attachment to the reclaimed independence and a firm determination among the people of Somaliland not to return to the failed union with Somalia, whether or not recognition is granted. Somaliland – situated on the northern tip of the former greater Somalia – boycotted the two-year peace process in Nairobi that culminated in the election of President Abdullahi Yusuf in October 2004. The Somaliland authorities have consistently rejected the idea of reuniting with Somalia, and recently warned that should Africa and the international community insist on Somaliland re-establishing the union, the leaders and people of Somaliland would fight to preserve their independence. The mission takes this line of argument by stating that the Union established in 1960 between Somaliland and Somalia brought enormous injustice and suffering to the people of the region. "The fact that the union was never ratified and also did not work to satisfaction while it lasted from 1960 to 1990, makes Somaliland's search for recognition historically unique and self-justified in African political history. As such, the AU should find a special method of dealing with this outstanding case," the report recommends. Furthermore, given the acute humanitarian situation prevailing in Somaliland, the AU should mobilise financial resources to help alleviate the plight of the affected communities, especially those catering for internally displaced persons and returnees. The mission set out to assess the prevailing political, socio-economic, security, humanitarian and other related issues, as well as to listen to the concerns of the leadership and people of Somaliland, and duly report back the findings and the recommendations to the AU Commission for further action. It was led by the deputy chairperson of the Commission, Patrick Mazimhaka. While calling upon the interna-tional community to consider the issue of self-determination objectively, the mission noted evidence of democratic institutions sprouting among them; the constitution of Somaliland, which entrenches, among other aspects, the separation of power between the three arms of government; the balance of political forces built upon the functional co-habitation of traditional governance institutions, as embodied in the political role of clan elders and elected representatives; the existence of active opposition political parties with some capacity to influence public policy; and a budding independent press. The plethora of problems confronting Somaliland in the political, socio-economic, military, humanitarian and other sectors stem from the legacy of a political union with Somalia, that malfunctioned, bringing destruction and ruin upon the population. Though credit has to be given to Somaliland for promoting a democratic order within a relatively short span of time, there are gaps that need attention from both policy makers and the individual citizens. One critical gap lies in gender relations in terms of the predominance of men in the various structures, institutions and processes. Source: The East African I hope this shows you the pandra box view is weak point from the simple fact that the A.U. the symbol for Africa dont see somaliland as danger, only you do for some reason lol. 5. When i say dont look at it emotionally, because the issue of somaliland and somalia is emotional issue for somalia, legeally the call by somaliland is correct, but emotinally somalis cant stand it. I look at the issue strictly legally. Sections of Sang and areas sool want to stay in somalia because of clanist feelings and i understand, if they leave, this should in my view not stop somaliland from leaving the union. 6. With who has full control of Sang and Sool we be going in circles i say Puntland dont have FULL control and you say We dont lets leave it as that because on that issue we be going in circles and frankly its starting to bore me. 7. In the end like a stated before SOmaliland has 4 strong regions who support its case, Sang is half support and in Sool low support, but still as i stated before this should not stop somaliland from leaving. In the end its comes down to not Sool and Saang for you, its the secession aspect that you cant take, as i stated even if the Sool and Sang issue was peacefully resolved, you bring up the pandra box issue, to still not Somaliland go, by claiming if they leave other regions in somalia or africa will do the same things thats the heart of your isssue with somaliland a part somalia not there is what you have issue with the Sool and Sang problem is just excuss unionst use to not somaliland to be let go. but alas in the end the world body the AU, EU, IGAD, USA, TFG in the end will have to sit down with somaliland and after the dust clears we both see the outcome ok my brother.

Brother, Mansa Munsa this subject in this argument is over jumpin in this late is no need lool. In the case of Saaxil the whole region as whole choose to do this in the case of Budhoole its only one section in the region that choose to create it not the whole region as whole old boy.

Listen brother i see we are going in circles with this, and you starting to loss your cool and inslut me so i make this simple and easy, like you pointed the regions are in question by both groups lol. To your last points i can make the same claim about your President about regions who support somailand Were he or his prime minister or Puntland president and vice President cant go, so thus we ar back to square in our arugment loool. Listen i see this argument has come to its end so lets agree to disagree on this issue.

Naxar Nugaaleed, no djubuti troops crossed the border, you heard of the talk of ethiopian not djubutians, lol. Plus djubuti barely as army they have French military to help them. lol