Akash;719774 wrote: This Suldan looks strikingly similar to the guy in the video below at 1.20 Akash;719774 wrote: Can somebody confirm if it's the same guy.

Can't really fault SL for the fact that in those 20 years there has not been an internationally recognised sovereign govt in Mogadishu to enter into talks and eventually an agreement with, just as Eritrea or South Sudan did. Any agreement now is not worth the paper it's written on.

Just seen these pics of the London demo on the #Somaliland twitter feed

Somalis in Kenya have entered into the top levels of the Kenyan govt such as this lady and Farah Macalin etc. I was even reading an article about a Somali Havard grad who was thinking about running for presient there not too long ago. To say Somalis in Kenya face the same occupation as those in Ethiopia is laughable. If they want to join Somalia that is their decision nobody elses.

Xeefow;719455 wrote: Since 2008, Mohamed has been the permanent secretary and chief executive officer of the Ministry of Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs of the Republic of Kenya where her leadership played a key role in the political, legal and constitutional reform process. Xeefow;719449 wrote: Kenyan Somalis do believe they are under occupation! http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/56398-EXCLUSIVE-THREAD-18th-of-May-The-20th-Anniversary-of-Somaliland?p=719456#post719456 :confused:

Are you saying what has taken place is good for Faroole because now the west will rush to help him, due to the fact that he is fighting muslims?

*Blessed;715787 wrote: Anigaba wakhtiga qaar, sida weli siraad baa warka la iga guri jirey. LOL. I jacayl this song! That's a lovely site Nuune, shame you can't download from it. This one of my all time favs. http://www.heesta.com/hees.php?id=786 Waxay dan sheegta iyo Kalgacal baa ila durkoo Dan iyo duunyoba ka go'ay Wax baa deris ii noqdee Dugaagaan weheshedaa LOL Dul meerayaa kaymahoo Hal kaad iga dayday iyo Halkaaan haye, haye halkaan degay kala durkee Illaah baa deeq baxshee Dulmiga caashaqa ka daa Doorashada caashaqa ka daa Top song from Ahmed Gacayte Here's a clearer version and one you can download from youtube -

LOL here he is - http://oodweynenews.com/news/63512-own-halkan-ka-dhegaysta-dacwada-nin-sheegtay-nebi-iyo-mahdi-oo-maanta-mar-labaad-la-soo-taagay-maxkamada-degmada-hargeysa-dhegaysi-sawiro.html Reminds me of this clown -

Did you even watch the video you posted? Listen from 5.55 - 6.45

LMAO

Thankful;709563 wrote: Really, didnt see any of them talk. I guess then the police who questioned those bystanders fabricated it all and are engaged in a cover up.

Some of the names do have historical significance which is why they were used, for example the obvious being Somaliland. It would have been unwise to choose a different name considering that is what that region is known as in the history books and throughout the world. Puntland has gone even way back in time reviving a name for its region (though some may dispute this), from ancient Egyptian times. It's similar with the Oga'den region, though that region is inhabited by various clans, the region has historically been known as 'The Oga'den region' and with them seeking independence it would be confusing to adopt a different name. I do agree with the article though concerning the other names, not sure why Galmudug and Ximaan iyo Xeeb's leaders are included in that picture.

According to the bystanders who knew him the guy was mentally ill.

Well Awdal State would have more respect had it embarked on federal statehood during the 8yrs that one of their own was president of SL, and it would have more legitmacy had it been founded in the Awdal itself. As of now Awdal state cannot be diffrentiated from the 20 odd other states and lands that are alive only in the internet portals. There is no denying also that puntland controls parts of Sool and Sanaag but there is also no denying that the capitals of these regions are firmly in Somaliland's hands, including the the birth place of your vice president. We'll see what happens anyway, events in Somalia change very quickly sometimes all it takes is for a xaflad to be held in the diaspora.

Everything that is Somali is divisble mate. Let's not pretend that the newly proposed Awdal state has the 100% backing of the people in Awdal itself, the recent video from Awdal leaders on the ground and the vice pres of SL is a testament of that.

gone will be the days when our destiny was in unfriendly hands and gone will be the days when we believed blindly in Somali nationalism. By breaching the terms of the treaties with the Awdalians, the British derailed our state and played poker with our territory. The remaining parts of Awdal joined voluntarily to Somalia on 1st July 1960. The only fruits of independence became a nightmare: the loss of sovereignty, denial of basic rights of the individual, naked nepotism, intentional underdevelopment by taxing the people without ever spending a penny for the Awdalian welfare. We can't be aprt of a nation guided by the whims of crazy clannish zealots; nor shall we be part of a nation kept together by coercion, and we will never accept again to be the underdogs waiting for the offal. Therefore, by solemnly declaring our independence, we are confident that the Somali people will support us for they understand fully the conditions and circumstances that abliged us to undertake this historic decision. Sounds like another group wanting out of the union.

So the person who wrote this wants Awdal to secede from Somalia and create their own state...

Xaaji Xunjuf;708580 wrote: Great pic.

Too bad its in Texas.

Wiil Cusub;708508 wrote: This is List which UN want work with how is next Q Loooooool at the flag this mamuul came up with.

Well if that the case then one wonders why Somalia today is not called Somaliland or referred to as such in the international arena, I mean the name Somalia is hardly different to 'Somalia Italiana'....

First of all I was not denying the fact that the term 'Somaliland' was used, but was pointing out that it was used only by the English speaking world. I only corrected the false claim you made which was - Thankful;707198 wrote: Cool the Italians named the area they took over as Italian Somaliland!. In reality the Italians called their part of Somali territory - 'Somalia Italiana'. Same thing with Djibouti which was not called 'French Somaliland' but instead - 'Côte Française des Somalis' Don't see why you made such a fuss.

Thankful;707198 wrote: Cool the Italians named the area they took over as Italian Somaliland! Because remember before 1960 the British were in control and called the area British Somaliland until they gave away independence! So I guess we are all from Somali land. Actually as the Italians speak Italian not English, the bit of Somalia they colonised was called 'Somalia Italiana' and not Italian Somaliland as many presume. Just thought I'd put that out there.

I'm afraid attempts like this to tar SL's name will only increase their desire to separate from South Somalia. I wonder if those who post stuff like this really believe it or not.

The Zack;703503 wrote: A look at Africa's remaining 'Big Men,' leaders who refuse to surrender power AP Friday, March 18, 2011 The following is a list of Africa's remaining "Big Men" — the leaders who refuse to surrender power, and their sons. Teodoro Obiang Nguema of Equatorial Guinea, 69 — Took power in a bloody coup in 1979. Jose Eduardo dos Santos of Angola, 68 — President since 1979. Promised elections from 2006 until last year, when a new constitution abolished presidential balloting. The leader of the party that wins most parliament seats becomes president. Denis Sassou-Nguesso of Republic of Congo, 67 — President from 1979 until a 1992 election defeat, seized power again in 1997 with help from Angolan troops. Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, 87 — Elected 1980 after a seven-year war for black rule. Refused to accept a 2008 election defeat and is pushing to end a shaky unity government coalition. Paul Biya of Cameroon, 77 — President since 1982. Has won questionable elections since 1992. Changed constitution so he can run again this year. Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, about 66 — President since 1986 when he took power as a rebel leader and ended a civil war. Refused to hold elections until 1996. Most recently reelected March 9 in elections opposition claims were rigged. King Mswati III of Swaziland, 42 — Succeeded his father in 1986. The last absolute monarch in the world. Blaise Compaore of Burkina Faso, 60 — Took power from his best friend, assassinated in the 1987 palace coup. Changed the constitution limiting presidential terms. Holds elections whose results are disputed by a fragmented msg opposition. Omar al-Bashir of Sudan, 67 — Led a bloodless coup in 1989. First sitting head of state indicted by the International Criminal Court, for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur. Idriss Deby of Chad, 59 or 60 — Seized power in a 1990 coup. Eliminated constitutional term limits to contest questionable elections. Faces voters in April. Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia, 55 — Part of a rebel group that ended a civil war in 1991. Elected in 1995. Has held questionable elections marred by riots and bloodshed. Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea, 65 — Led the Eritrean rebel movement that helped end Ethiopia's civil war in 1991 and ushered in Eritrea's independence, with him as president, in 1993. Says he expects to live another 40 to 50 years and Eritrea may hold elections in 30 or 40 years. Paul Kagame of Rwanda, 53 — Led rebels who ended Rwanda's genocide in 1994. Elected since 2000 in elections from which all meaningful opponents have been barred. Yahya Jammeh of Gambia, 45 — Took power in a 1994 coup and vows to never leave. Tribal chieftains are campaigning to make him king. Ismail Omar Guelleh of Djibouti, 67 — Elected 1999 to continue a 30-year family dynasty. Changed constitution so he can run for a third term in April. Faure Gnassingbe of Togo, 44 — Won disputed 2005 elections to succeed his father, who ruled for 38 years. Ali Bongo of Gabon, 52 — Won 2009 elections amid charges of vote-rigging and violent protests after the death of his father, who had ruled since 1967. Laurent Gbagbo of Ivory Coast, 65 — Assumed office in 2000 after elections barring leading opponents. Lost 2010 elections but refuses to step down. Basically this is why nobody will take Africa serious on any issue.