Originally posted by somealien: but if you face me with the options of getting stitches on my belly or stitches *ahem* elsewhere... yeah well, slice me up. Dis is exactly wat I was thinkin all day today as I was workin on de labour ward, de thing is howeva its such a tough choice coz it aint just as simple as gettin ur belly sliced up as there can b serious implications and long term effects such as havin to use a catheter for the rest of ur life if they accidentally cut certain parts associated wiv de 'waterworks'. Ooh and it aint all women who gets their vagina stitched after a normal delivery it depends on de individual. But another important thing I learnt today was dat one reason behind the sudden rise of interest amongst surgeons (& sum midwives) to perform caesareans is de fact dat midwives hav got sued by the parents of a child they delievered sumtimes upto 20yrs ago! They claim the type of delivery cud b a direct result as to why their precious son or daughter aint doin very well in school, life or b'coz they're anti-social. When a child is delivered by c-section howeva no1 can b sued 'quite yet' on de grounds of the childs mental upbringin-but Im sure dat soon will become de case.

I think dis case is absolutely outrageous, I mean to loose a child especially when its due, I believe would be a punishment to de mother in its own right (and much more severe and long lastin dan any jail term). Bear in mind dat dis women not only carried one child in her womb for 9months (or just under) but TWO! Neo-natal death can cause severe depression to the mother and also as she has already had 2 previous c-sections it wud actually increase the risk of still-birth if she had a third caesarean! I strongly believe the unborn child has every right to live therefore in life-threatenin situations the mother should follow the surgeons advice. But I must stress that women in general hav a choice of delivery howeva sumtimes dis can be overruled if anyone (i.e de mother or de unborn) are deemed to be at risk. In England (on de NHS) women are only given a caesarean if there is a medical reason for it (unless u choose to go private ofcourse-were u'd hav a greater choice of delivery) Bondin is wat takes place once de baby has been born and has very little to do wiv de means of which it was delievered. Now-a-days c-sections are much more precise hence de newborn can lie in de arms of de mother and from there bondin starts. Howeva if the mother is completely knocked out and she cant hold de baby there's a possibility that the initial bondin will be delayed. Dats my views..

I agree like pretty much everyone else dat skin bleachin is an extremely sad trend amongst Somali women especially de ones in Somalia who probably do it twice as bad as they view being lighter than average a bit like we view Prada and Gucci and so on. The funny thing howeva is dat there are people in de opposite end of de pole, I for one, hav experienced times when I wished I was darker rather than de opposite. Compared to my peers Im much lighter therefore I often hear comments like Tani ma Somaliyaad ba? and dis aint discreet but loud enuf for everybody to hear which is soo annoyin! & boy I cant even discribe de amount of times I've heard de opposite to dis qoute; Originally posted by disillusioned-N-despondent: " Bisinks...oo inantu madoobaa, tollow yee karaacday ?!!" So if any of u guys kno of any darkenin methods other than gettin a tan i.e any darkenin creames u kno I'll b de first customer JK I hav learnt to love myself for who I am and accept Allah SWT's creation and say Alxamdulilah.

Damn I was just gona let everybody kno it was my birthday yesterday (was too busy to do it yesterday) and then I read dis Whether u shud or shudnt celebrate birthdays I still want ppl to say happy birthday to me when it actually is my birthday coz dat shows they remembered. As long as u dont go all out of ur way to celebrate I dont think being given a birthday card is Haram as such howeva it probably aint de best either.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: A good fairy tale for a book, but anaga sheekadaas mana marsiin karto, ha ula tagto anjabiga. I must say I agree!

Wooow his teeth are gorgeous!! I prefer nice teeth compared to a body DAT big, its much better if they tone up and hav a few pacs dere's no need for 6 or de likes but a well-toned and slightly muscular tummy and arms wud do de trick. As long as his thigs aint half de size of mine I'll live,lol.

Damn its funny wat a couple of slaps of make-up can do 2 a face! Just compare de 2 pics above its unbelievable. I swear I kno plenty of 40yrs old Somali women out there without make-up that look even better than she does! Also hav u noticed de naxariis de hijab brings to her otherwise horrid face above?? My pride is one thing nobody can take away from me-for ANY price! Im just wonderin where she 4got about and left her pride, probably sumwhere along wiv her sense of rightious judgement and morals==> sumwhere far away (maybe on her 300miles work to Moghadisho) Howeva I hav to rate her for speakin about FGM althou it cud b argued she was soo scared she had to do it under de protection of the UN and dat she wud neva hav said anythin like dat if she resided in Somalia. Howeva I rate de mothers out there who said 'NO' to havin their daughters circumsised while they were in Somalia, more than anythin-& I kno they DO exist althou they were far and very few inbetween durin de early 80's the few who didnt let non-religious traditions control their way of life (although a majority of Somalis did) they are de ones who should b applauded!

:cool: Good Joke!

May Allah forgive her sins as well as ours Insha Allah and may He grant eedo a palace in Paradise-Ameen. Walaalo dont 4get Samir iyo Imaan! I kno its hard it has been for all of us but together we can all be stronger. As I was readin all de responses I swear my tears were and are still pourin down my cheeks, I kno its bad to cry but tryin to 4get de death of a family member is very tough. I thought I'd preoccupy myself wiv sumthin else when I came across dis page but Winger u kno my family (especially my mum & uncle) and I are feelin de pain wiv u! All we can do is pray! Be strong and accept Allah's Will. p.S Bruv I havent been online since I heard de bad news which is why Im only replyin now.

Loool Rudy ur a comedian pal! Brilliant twist

Originally posted by pearl: like u said..its about giving not stealing... As pearl stated I was talkin about donorin organs not sayin its OK to steal body parts, I was simply puttin an argument forth. Originally posted by ExDane: I agree dat a corpse in dis country mite not be treated wiv de appropriate care and respect dat it deserves :cool: U guys look at it dis way; May Allah Forbid dis from eva happenin, but say u were in a car crash wiv ur best friend and a sister or a brother, u died and ur heart could save the life of ur sibling, u wudnt b able to consent wat wud u like to hav happened if u were able to consent? Wat about givin ur organ to ur best friend? (dont forget ur dead!) Or wud u sign a donor list which is discriminatory as it wud state u'd only provide so and so wiv ur precious body parts if they need it?

Here's a lil joke my sis sent me thought I'd share wit ya'll. This will teach u all about Economics: TRADITIONAL ECONOMICS. You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies and the economy grows. You retire on the income. INDIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You worship them. PAKISTAN ECONOMICS You don't have any cows. You claim that the Indian cows belong to you. You ask the US for financial aid, China for military aid, Britain for warplanes, Italy for machines, Germany for technology, France for submarines, Switzerland for loans, Russia for drugs and Japan for equipment. You buy the cows with all this and claim of exploitation by the world. AMERICAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You sell one and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You profess surprise when the cow drops dead. You put the blame on some nation with cows & naturally that nation will be a danger to mankind. You wage a war to save the world and grab the cows. FRENCH ECONOMICS You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. GERMAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You re-engineer them so that they live for 100 years, eat once a month and milk themselves. BRITISH ECONOMICS You have two cows. Both of them are MAD. ITALIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You don't know where they are. You break for lunch. SWISS ECONOMICS You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. You charge others for storing them. JAPANESE ECONOMICS You have two cows. You re-design them so that they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create cute cartoon cow images called Cowkimon and market them worldwide. RUSSIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 17 cows. You give up counting and open another bottle of vodka. CHINESE ECONOMICS You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity and arrest anyone reporting the actual numbers. SRI LANKAN ECONOMICS You have a cow and a bull, you let the cow be President and the bull be Prime Minister and let them blame each other for the state the country is in.

Looooooooooooool About Somali Salad About the moderation theory; Wud u allow ur kids or sum1 u love to smoke cigarettes, take drugs or drink alcohol if they did it in moderation?? I kno I wudnt!! Well Qaad to me is of de same standard as cigarettes, drugs and alcohol. Anythin dat is harmful to the body and which effects ur mental wellbeing, whether long or short-term shud b avoided. How can u pray markaad marqaansantahay?? U dont hav a steady mindset! Qaad has and will continue to distroy lives, breakup families and so on until ppl grow up and realise the potential dangers of chewin this plant-The Sooner=The better!

Hav u got a weblink for dat article u said u read? Do u live in Denmark? I went to Somaliland in 2002 and I met a lot of Danes who worked to remove mines in Somalia.

Damn u guys cud b arguin for days to come! Why dont u just agree to disagree and stop wastin each others precious time?? Ooh and de web space on SOL?? Look most immigrants hav suffered de same way dat Somalis hav, so just b patient and eventually things will fall into place, just dont focus too much on de negatives, try to look at all de positive things of livin abroad (i.e away from Somalia). At de end of de day, u guys (who live in de States wiv citizenship) are all Americans and whether u like it or not Somalia belongs to a continent called AFRICA hence ya'll African Americans. (so stop moanin about it, de advantage howeva remains in de fact dat u KNOW who ur forefathers were!) America is not a country like Somalia or England but is a continent (Just like Africa) therefore when u refer to sum1 wiv an African background i.e a Somali or a Kenyan whom currently resides in America u call em Afro-Americans and not Somali-Americans or Kenyan-Americans. --They (Americans) wudnt b able to keep up! The main reason why they probably use terminology like dat is b'coz they're lazy or just plain uneducated enuf to kno all de countries in Africa and therefore they make life easy for themselves. -- mayb ya'll shud get de hint! Come on now, compare the number of Hispanic ppl in the States to Somalis, even they aint referred by their country (or original nationality) but by de language they speak! That shud tell ya sumthin...Im out peace out ppl

Ofcourse my breats (melons) matter! Every part of my body matters to me. Your body is ur most important tool & how u take care of it portrays how much you care about urself as a person. & in my eyes stickin silicone or other chemicals into ur boobs to enhance them doesnt not mean takin care of urself but rather the contrary. However, its not de size dat matters but the fact that they are there & healthy (Imagine all de women out there who hav breast cancer and hav 1 or even both removed!) The main problem now a days is dat we forget to thank Allah (SWT) for everythin He has given us, instead we tend to look at our 'faults' which in reality aint faults but blessings! Think of it dis way, at least we hav de capability to complain about them, picture the people who cant talk, or express themselves, people who hav to depend on sum1 else 24/7 in order to live a 'normal' life. Instead of focusin on de media, b happy wiv wat Allah (SWT) gave u & make de most of it! Most importantly-Say Alxamdulilah! B healthy instead of tryin to achieve dat anorexic look or over-bulged-up muscly look. If u dont already try to achieve gr8 self-esteem start lovin urself for who u are not wat ppl want to see, as soon as u learn dis ppl will b able 2 turn their love towards u. Peace out ya'll, B Happy

garab tuujiye walaalo there are women out there who fit my definition of beautiful, maybe u hav a point when u say things aint de same, but dat in itself is a beauty-things do change-just change wiv em 2 maintain de beauty. If u look hard enuf u'll see dat more and more Somali girls hav de inspiration to become 2moro's Beautyful Women & I hav a gr8 feelin dat many of them will succeed Insha Allah-wiv given time. Just be patient and dont look but see!

Thanx Northerner its gr8 2 kno dat at least sum1 has felt my absence! Its good to b back thou.

Natural beauty comes in all colours, strength in many forms. When we learn to honour the differences and appreciate the mix, we're harmony. -Unknown- Here's wat I think: When she knows wat she wants in life and strives to achieve it. Has a positive outlook on life and a pleasant attitude(this will affect ppl around her and they wana b around her as they enjoy her company) When her beliefs are strong and she upholds her morals and values & very importantly upholds respect and love towards her parents (when she realises there is no way she can eva repay either of them!). She speaks up for wat she believes in. When she has respect for herself and people around her. When she has good self-esteem. When she accepts things she has no control over can happen. When she's helpful and gives her time to help others. When her pride shines through her soul and you can see it in her eyes. Pride that you express to others is ego. Pride that you express silently is REAL pride. -Stuart Wilde- Your attitude about who you are and what you have is a very little thing that makes a VERY big difference. -Theodore Roosevelt- A man's true wealth is the good he does in the world -Mohamed SCW-

Walaalo Northerner 'fish iyo chibis' wa wax aad tahay hadaanad afkagii hoyoo baraan ama wax leyska dhigo(being ignorant). Anigu yurub ayaan ku dhashey lakiin waxaan garanaya waxaan yahay iyo daadkaan ka dhashaay, hence I sought the history of my people and I believe dat in order to call myself a Somali I had to be able to read, write and speak to a certain level, I aint gr8 @ it, but at least I can make myself understood in my mother-tongue. Loool bout ur age! Iga rali ahoow hadaan ku qarxiyey-It wasnt my intention bruv lakiin waxaad wadid wa shuqul dumareed ee niin iska dhiiq

Guess Im an extreme minority amongst de rest of my fellow Somalis I was born in Denmark, Copenhagen in Hvidover Hospital on 15th March 1984-there was almost half a metre of snow. Was brought up in NorthWest part of Copenhagen & loved life had de best time eva imaginable-de best childhood (Wish I cud go back to de good ol' days) Then in June 1998 my mum made de BIGGEST mistake EVA by movin us all 2 England -DAMN I HATE DIS PLACE- Now @ uni durin de past year and a half I have moved 6 TIMES :eek: now dats depressin trust me! :confused: Insha Allah when I complete my education & hav worked for a year or 2 I'll be on de move again and dis time AWAY from England!

Dont dispair caramel_kisses I just drive around Somali style i.e wiv a provisional license only, neva had an offical drivin lesson, learnt to drive a year and a half ago when I was in Somalia, lol. If u eva want a drivin buddy who can study wiv u, holla @ me aight, we shud make a resolution i.e get a license by de end of de year, wat do u think?? Right Hook (Northerner) ciyaalnimadee dhowr sanaadood kahor ayaan ka baxnaye, dacayada naga daa! Dumarka aan isku fil nahay 2 ama 3 ciyaal ayeey jidayaan, anaakana waxbarashadee ayaa cirro naga soo saray! Ur only 3-5 yrs older than us so dont act like ur a great grandad!

Been readin dis and now I really wana kno wat oodkac is, so somebody, anybody giv us a translation plz

caramel_kisses so my birthday is 2days b4 urs huh. Im a lady by de way and Im turnin 20. Originally posted by Right Hook: Ex Dane and Caramel, is this yr way of letting us know yr bdays are coming up???lol, how many candles in the cake then??? just hope the lighter doesnt run out gas when yr lighting those candles U can neva b too certain can u dear? 20candles aight

Hey caramel_kisses when exactly is u B-Day? Coz Im a Lime Tree (The Doubt) too. Mine's de 15th But boy is dat analysis true of me, Im shocked, even my friends are surprised! -Intelligent, hard working, accepts what life dishes out, but not before trying to change bad circumstances into good ones, hates fighting and stress, enjoys getaway vacations, may appear tough, but is actually soft and relenting, always willing to make sacrifices for family and friends, has many talents but not always enough time to use them, can become a complainer, great leadership qualities, is jealous at times but extremely loyal- Dats spells out LadyMo' a.k.a ExDane right there and then.