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^ You've stuck on Hiraale's side like a siamese twin. ICU or TFG you would jump ship regardless of where you believed was logical, only based on Adeer LOOOL. So I wouldn't talk.

Originally posted by Mujaahid: Red Sea: ^Was he elected from Zeylac to Raaskambooni? Or what is the percentage of people who think he is legitimate president? I think a great number of people think he is a warlord more so than they think he is a "president".On top of that,he is a daba dhilif which fractured any small amount of support he would have gotten. He fits in both defination of being a warlord.If you can recall, he forcefully took over Puntland after he wasn't voted for another term.he said he controls Puntland with Iron grip,therefore that should count him being a warlord by way of siezing power. The source was Qaranews. Was Abdurahman tuur leader elected from Zeylaac to Taleex? No sxb. he was defacto leader of SNM. Abdullahi yusuf was elected by 275 members who represented their qabiils. Semantics say that you are playing a pretty game. Do you think people the geeljires could be organized after a conference to vote? You'll tell me look at the the North West. I will tell you if that were the case would Riyaale be serving a second term? I think a great number of people think he is a warlord Definition of a warlord: 2. a military commander who has seized power, esp. in one section of a country. that means anybody who was a military man/secret service is a warlord if they control 3 blocks in Xamar or Somaliland or puntland with a seizure of power. That goes for legends like TUUR If you can recall, he forcefully took over Puntland after he wasn't voted for another term He was elected and later he retook power of puntland by the backing of many elders after Jamaac Jamaac took power and was essentially a ********** of Ina hassan aka the TNG PRES. Puntlanders wouldn't allow it and they got it. The source was Qaranews. Would you believe Idamaale, Puntlandpost etc if they said Egal was a tuug an untrustful conniving man who sold the NFD AWAY? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. There is your answer.

When did Ranneberger say this? Only one article has posted this? Sxb some say sheik shariif is in Kenyan prison. How can you negotiate with a person in Jail? America is speaking diplomatically. There line of thought goes something like this "WE ARE NOT IN SOMALIA" "WE HAVE BOMBED STRATEGIC PLACES IN SOMALIA" "WE HAVE KILLED THE ICU LEADERS" " WE WANT DIPLOMACY IN SOMALIA" "INCLUSIVE governance" .............MEANWHILE SHEIK SHARIIF IS IN JAIL. have you yet to learn politics brother? This is american turub at its finest. BTW they have already released the forty million dollars 'down payment'. The EU has followed.

Red sea No I just want to know which source it comes from. Disgruntled sources who call Puntland ********IYA etc My opinion of you and the opinion of your mother of you are two different things. I don't know you. But your mother/family do. That is why I am asking for a SOURCE? By definition a warlord is 2. a military commander who has seized power, esp. in one section of a country. That means virtually everybody is a warlord including NSS RIYAALE. Now abdullahi yusuf is a legitimate president of Zeylaac to Raas Kambooni.

^ Where was the source. Like Souce, Link, Citation etc In the other post I gave you sources to Riyaale from the MOUTH OF "SOMALILANDERS". You gave me a piece that could very well be from a tabloid and you state its from an "OPINION PIECE" from bias people who have an agenda to bring forth. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU? Why are you name calling again do you know that is against the forum golden rules. I would prefer you act in a civil manner. THANK YOU.

Originally posted by Mujaahid: Red Sea: [QB] ^In Somaliland, they chose him for whatever reason,they actually lined up to vote for him.Was he a bad choice, heck yeah..however, who lined up or even casted single vote for this guy? In 1991 did they vote Abdurahman Tuur the President of the NORTH WEST? Or was it because he was the head of the SNM and the defacto leader? Abdullahi yusuf was elected by a consitituency of Clan leaders of 275 members of all clans in Somalia. It was contested by the ICU fanancier Abdiqasim, Former Ambassador Cadoow, and many more people from all over somalia. Whoever was capable of being the president of Somalia had an oppurtunity to throw their name inside for the Seat. Do you understand? There are hardly anyone who supports him in his "own"capital. Many people support the President. Many oppose him for clannish reasons. Unless you can bring hard numbers of an ipsos reid opinion poll results to back your claims then, they are just claims. Besides,always remember that Xamar is my cake too and I have as much say as one from Bari has.Who do you think you are to dictate to me which is mind and which is yours,they are both my cake to put it that way son. Xamar is the capital of Somalia. Not the Capital of Djibouti or the Capital of A breakaway region. If you are not from "SOMALIA" you have no say in SOMALIA. You can't say I want to break away from Somalia and also I get to eat from Xamar. Is this a case of I want to bring huge trucks from Hargeisa and drop off people and take back fruits to the desert barren region like the old days? BTW I am not from Bari so I don't know what you are talking about. As for other claims, prove where he killed people, when, give me clear prove,since you asked me the same thing.You are now on the hot seat boi.Can you step up? Everybody knows Riyaale was the head of the NSS Berbera. Many died and you can put two and two together. But if you insist these are the words from a well educated northwesterner And then others are right here in Somaliland. And they include President Dahir Rayaale, who was head of the feared and powerful secret service, the National Security Service (NSS) in Berbera . President Rayaale is named in A Government at War With Its Own People. The town of Berbera saw some of the worst atrocities of the war , even though the SNM never entered Berbera in 1988. Elders and businessmen were immediately arrested en masse after the SNM attack on Hargeisa and Burao; between 27 May and 1 June, they were transferred to Mogadishu . The killings, which were exceptionally brutal in Berbera, began shortly afterwards. Many of the victims had their throats slit and were then shot. A series of massacres which have been mentioned again and again took place, mainly in June, in Buraosheikh, close to Berbera, when about 500 men were killed in groups of between 30-40. Some of the victims were from Burao, Hargeisa and surrounding villages who had come as temporary labourers to the port of Berbera. Others were asylum seekers who had been returned from Saudia Arabia. The names of some of these men are listed in the book. As head of the NSS in Berbera, Dahir Rayaale bears a heavy and direct responsibility for their fate. Witnesses who are alive also recall Rayaale’s contribution to the war against civilians. One of the people I interviewed in Djibouti in August 1989 and who is cited in the book is Abdifatah Abdillahi Jirreh. He was only 14 at the time, but he remembered Dahir Rayaale. One day in mid-August [1988], Dahir Rayaale, head of the NSS, came to our ice plant and took my father away. They also arrested one of the watchmen, an old man, Farah Badeh Gheedi. They were detained in the police station, accused of talking about the prospects of the SNM coming to Berbera. Source People dissapearing at his leadership hmmmmmmmm. Mr.Riyale was a senior officer in the notorious Secret Servicevthat carried out killings and torture of the civilians suspected of being supporters of the SNM guerrilla movement NS Source More... Okay As another Northwestern jookishly says ex- NSS agent with a knowledge of a mass killings and ‘Awilites’! You did not even dare to ask me the where about of the victims. The mass graves of your people. You knew I was the head of the NSS there in Berbera and at the same time the chair person of the ethnic cleansing committee in there. Source These are the words of his constituents. LOOOOL. This is from "SOMALILANDERS" Xabashis are ruling Hargeysa as much as Xamar? so first of all you admit that we are being ruled,but again,there are no Xabashis troops in hargeysa,if they were I would have told,I hate those guys.Don't just write away whatever you feel like,it's has to have some credibilty my man. Fact: habeshi told Riyaale and the north westerners to bug out of Sool so Abdullahi yusuf could fight in the SOUTH. They said OKE DOKEY. Fact: Riyaale Went to Ethiopian to congradulate Ethiopia. Some even SAY 'Somalilanders' fought in galkacyo against the ICU at the behest of ETHIOPIA :eek: . Whether or not there are any Ethiopians in the Northwest or not..... Regardless THEY HAVE SOMALILAND PUPPEETEERING REAL WELL.

Red Sea It took you well over an hour and a half to find something which is the opinion of a man who puts abdullahi yusuf in the worst of light. Where is the source, Where is the proof? Highlighted reference? You just literally copied and pasted from somebody who could be writing for caynaba.com or somaliland.org LOOOOL. I've read pieces from northwest region stating that one of my relatives sold money from the somali treasury system LOOOL. Show cited references not Waxaa la yidhi hebel hebel NONSENSE.

^ Sxb proof is in the pudding. You can't convict someone without proper judicial system like brother jimcaale reminded me yesterday. Indhacadde will have his day in Court and everyone else. Where did abdullahi yusuf kill his brother in-law? When did this happen? How did this occur? Answer me these question and provide a source otherwise you are justifying hearsay which is haram in islam. PROOF?

^ The colour red from my north western friends stands for the colour of the sacrificed blood. Green for the earth's coloue etc Riyaale is the man who has killed countless reer waqooyi galbeed. You accuse abdullahi yusuf but don't even look at your own house who has a president who is a murderer? Deal with issues at the homefront. You are a proud supporter of the Seccesion of Somalia and balkanization of it. How can you have it both ways. You can't have your cake and eat it as you wish and confiscate mine. Habeshi are ruling Xargeisa as much as they are ruling Xamar if you believe anything. RIYALE WAS TOLD TO LEAVE Aricadeeye camp in Sool and what did he do? LOOOOL. You are talking potatoes potato buddy. Don't justify your thug and make somalia look bad. NORTHWEST is a proxy to THE HASBESHI. PERIOD.

^ Simply put you use childish comments such as you are not grown up, you can't debate with me LOL. Sxb deal with the content of my speech. Not on the basis of defeat you blabber utter comments of age and what not. Anybody who simply disagrees with you is a confused person eh?. So when are you going to start your totalitarianistic rule? Maybe become Ethiopia's personal lap dog like Riyaale? You know Riyaale is the biggest ********** right? Your going to have to do some serious out bidding to get him out. We all know what? You know. I know differently. I think North west region is a puppet to ethiopia. Ask mujahid Castro and he will tell you that Riyaale rides the pole in an ethiopian strip club better then Cadde. LOOOL. North West is proxy to anything ethiopia wants. They use Berbera port, they have riyaale in Addis with the snap of fingers. They have you at your knees. But you only highlight Somalia so as to put that in the back of everybodies mind. It won't work with me. I ask you once again That the flag you believe in has something (RED) to do with the blood of those who died for their freedom right? But the same man who made the RED part possible thru berbera's NSS is now your PRESIDENT

Red sea When has abdullahi yusuf killed his own brother in law? Are these coffee shop stories in Hargeisa again? LOOOL. Proof is in the pudding. Send me your proof? Judicial System statement anything? Anyhow as to that picture it could be the reghabilatated miltia of Xamar who have joined the TFG. As you can see MP Finish has ordered his 600+ plus militia men too join. Inshallah we will se rehabilitated moryaans from Hargeisa when the TFG integrates them.

n-syl you kill me sxb. Your gonna need to put a bullet right between his eyes because assasinations, suicide bombings, jail, war etc are something abdullahi yusuf has been doing for the last 40 years. He is a seasoned political heavyweight in Somalia, and not your average political loser i.e aweys, turki etc

^ Last week a bunch of moryaans started shooting at Villa Somalia and all the dead were marauding militias. 6 dead 8 wounded. This is no different. The TFG troops are better trained and not easily disturbed by anything. It actually highlights the speedy deployment of AU troops and probably more funding from the EU, US and the international community. This is a blessing in disguise for the TFG. First the Suicide bomings helped garner the world attention of the desperation of a radical movement with fake sheik leaders at parts of the helm. Ths will highlight the problems of a poor mans Iraq type insurgency.

^ Last week a bunch of moryaans started shooting at Villa Somalia and all the dead were marauding militias. 6 dead 8 wounded. This is no different. The TFG troops are better trained and not easily disturbed by anything. It actually highlights the speedy deployment of AU troops and probably more funding from the EU, US and the international community. This is a blessing in disguise for the TFG. First the Suicide bomings helped garner the world attention of the desperation of a radical movement with fake sheik leaders at parts of the helm. Ths will highlight the problems of a poor mans Iraq type insurgency.

Originally posted by Northerner: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: quote: Originally posted by Northerner: Slightly off topic,,,,,,,,, ARTICLE 20 FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND MEDIA. 1. The Transitional Federal Government shall guarantee the freedom of press and independent media in accordance with Law. 2. Every person shall have the rights to freely express his/her own opinion in any manner, subject to any limitation which, may be prescribed by law for the purpose of safeguarding morals and public security. Well duh No actually, well duh Please highlight the law that was passed (through parliament as per the Charter) in the TFG's ban on certain (non-favourable) media outlets last week. With the TFg realising this and backtracking and you still adamnt it was within its right i think its a case double duh! me thinks Sorry sxb you are once again mistaken. The Gov't thru parliament have more rights and to sanction or censor media which is harming public security. Wouldn't you agree that bias media in an already tense environment such as Xamar could incite deadly war? Again this is in the constitution/charter. Why are you arguing about something in which our parliament passed? Isn't the same Hargeisa the place where journalist are thrown in jail or indefinetly shut down for weeks on in?

aayaha onkod kismaayonews qaadisiya webishabelle A WHO'S WHO OF ANTI TFG PROGANDA LOOOL. " WE HAVE CAPTURED 10 american soldiers" LOOOL. How can anybody take these guys seriously with there huge slant? Do you guys take idamaale seriously? NO. Same here.

Originally posted by Mujaahid: Red Sea: ^Khalaf, you right bro...the white man did indeed do a darn good job,however,even the Xabashis aren't doing bad job themselves as we speak,thanks for few that fell into their trap. So don't even look further back in history,just take a look of what is happening today. Furthermore,I am not in supportive of burning any flag whether it might be the blue flag or the red,white and green. However,my statement were to poke fun of those who wave the flag while encouraging the invasion of Ethiopia and take over of everything that the flag which falsely they claimed as theirs stands for . Khalaf,I think what you have learned is both good and bad.Just make sure, you keep on going the same path Insha Allah.You are decent and open minded brother, so dont' ever fall for the hatred which is spread by some people here.Never side with anyone just because they belong in your qabiil,support them based on their believes and positions.I think you may know this already but hey,a reminder doesnt' hurt.Thank YOU for the reminder though. Ironic though. That the flag you believe in has something (RED) to do with the blood of those who died for their freedom right? But the same man who made the RED part possible thru berbera's NSS is now your PRESIDENT How can you talk about Somalia's problems when your own house is so messed up? BTW being a grown man doesn't make you indifferent to the questions I pose. You can ignore them and what not. Unless your in your late fifties like some posters you are no different then I or the majority of SOLers. Deal with my points not my supposed age. Who knows I could be your father

^ The habeshi's are in Somalia whether it be in hargeisa or in Xamar. Your picking and choosing and selectively turning a blind eye to the "HOME FRONT" is not healthy and dialogue can't move past anywhere witht that mentality. Your argument is they are in Somalia. True. Somalia Proper including the break away regions of Waqooyi Galbeed. That should not be left out. Anyhow Habeen Wanaagsaan Walaal.

^ I am not the hypocrite. Your buddy and sometime tit for tat mate, calls the TFG members stooges so I posed the same question right back at him.

^ Those buildings were condos decades ago. Now they are just 30 storey rusting pillars. Dixon Somalis atleast the ones with a brain have started moving out because of the A-hole Indian landlords and the even more A-hole Security company hired by the indian landlords.

According to Red sea he is and also the TFG forces are Habeshi too. So isn't Riyaale and the northwestern militia also stooges? Follow the logic. Connect the dots sxb.

^ They get there weapons from Habeshi don't they and their orders come from the top which is riyaale but everybody knows he is a stooge to Meles "I RUN THIS B****" ZENAWI.

LOOL at the infighting above me. " THE TFG IS DOING WHATS GOOD"..." NO BUDDY THEY DON'T EXIST" LOOOOL. Whatever you guys say. Time will tell. Politics is ever changing. What happened yesterday surely won't happen tommorow.