Originally posted by N/AA: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: ^ First of all it is premature to say he has appointed anybody to the US ambassadorship. No press releases means its premature to make assumptions. But lets take a look at 'Ambassadors' that have been named. Ambassador to Yemen- Siyad Barres son-GEDO Ambassador to Oman- Naaji- Somali Yemeni Ambassador to China- From Marka- From the clans of djibouti,Awdal etc Ambassador to UN- From Bulo burde- Hiiraan Clan Ambassador to Kenya- Not from yeys clan Ambassador to EU- Yey's 'clan' Now tell me where is the corruption? Where is the Siyad Barre like moves? Is the Presidents personal spokeperson now supposed to be divided in the 4.5? Your one quick character ya horn. When the ICU kicked Hiraale out you started to call them the 'entity'. When the alleged bombing in Kismayo happened and you perceived Afgaduud was behind the happenings, your stance has changed from Pro-TFGish to Clan man. But yet you speak of 'Somalis'. Give me a break saxiib. Flip flop, drip drop, and wherever Hiraale goes, only Horn shall know..... Where is Hiiraale young man? Is he not in Baidoa in support and in tune with the TFG? Does that not alone negate your cheaply put together rhetoric? Do you know what the difference is between a head of state and the institutions theirselves? Firstly, you totally avoided my rebuke of your accusations towards President Yusuf, right when, you saw siyad barre son as an ambassador. Do you think Gen Barre would have defied logic by naming his enemies son as an Ambsaddor? Surely he was not above such feindish clannist mentality. Especially since he killed his own population in the North, South, and Central. Secondly, your tone is condescending. I am not a young man. I am verile young man. Know one knows where Hiraale is. He could be in Baardheere, Baghdad, or Baidoa. That is irrelevant. It is what he thinks on the matter. He has not come out in support of the government and refuted the childish and baseless statements made by some media outlets. Some of which usually are his literal walking mouthpiece. That alone is cause for concern. Wouldn't you think? Therefore he is not in 'tune' with the program or with TFG (The two are mutually exchangeable).

^ A lot of people spin things the way they see it. However fact of the matter is. Some people were burnt alive. In Hargeisa they killed a man because he was from the minority clans. My point is, most people in Hargeisa are good people but bad things happen in Hargeisa. Unlike some who would have us believe Bossaso is a haraam haven.

^ Fight, like Indhacadde, and Aweys. Oh, I forgot, they didn't fight. They talked like yoy about jihad and ran.

Khalaf check your PM.

Hyena goes for dead carcasses. The wolf/jackal is a predator that leaves his left overs to the hyena. So you know which is higher on the todem pole.

^ you mean Jackal vs Hyena. Anyhow Somalia's territorial integrity should and will be maintained inshallah. Only a neogtiated settlement will force the delusional idea of the balkanization Somalia out the window.

Originally posted by mantra: I havent said anything as to who you should or shouldnt support, you're right it is your prerogative, and it's mine to dislike you, your lot and everything you stand for ...it's only normal that I should do so. Here is a more realistic map, perhaps A Yusuf can be king of puntland? I can't help but dislike them and the tribe they represent, Thanks for being upfront and honest. This below is the real map of Puntland.

Aideed went from Interior and deputy to housing due to his political gaffe. You don't say Somalia and Ethiopia are one and expect to be deputy prime minister of a country and goes against the rules of engagement. Secondly, Abdullahi yusuf choose This man Maxammuud as his spoeksperson. He is what he is. The presidents spokesperson. During his time in Puntland A/Y was close with members of Sool Sanaag Bari, Nugaal, Mudug and is still today. But he is giving the post to this individual. Is there anything to argue. Or is this just Jimbo and semantics again? Arguing for the sake of arguing?

The majority of Somalis supported the TFG and the majority of Somalis still support the TFG. The TFG is the only legit gov't in Somalia. Facts are Facts. The people want governance and not the ICU or any clan movement which seeks hegemony over the Somali population.

^ Aideed was replaced by gacmadheere. Aideed was still given a minister post. Ministers are different from Ambassadors. Second of ALL you and all the people are forgetting one key thing. This position is spokesperson for the president. Not government spokesperson ala Diinaari. Whom if I may remind you is not from Yey's 'clan'. There is a PM spokesperson, There is FM spokesperson. You appoint a person you know well to speak on your behalf. I guess this individual knows Pres Yusuf well. You guys kill me seriously. He is the spokesperson for the president. Not something special. Just a simple spokesperson. Realize that. Defense Minister probably has a spokeperson, The Minister of Agriculture probably has a spokesperson. But when the President names somebody who he knows is reliable and this is what it's all about, LOYALTY. The president trust this individual enough to give press briefings. However one must not realize that all thing the president does is being scrutinized by the SOL police. I guess Abdullahi yusuf must start dividing his shoe shiner and tailor, barber, body guard, cook, etc in the 4.5 NOW? wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

^ No I am not kidding you. This was posted awhile back. OH here it is.... http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=007295;p=4 PICS INCLUDED.

^ First of all it is premature to say he has appointed anybody to the US ambassadorship. No press releases means its premature to make assumptions. But lets take a look at 'Ambassadors' that have been named. Ambassador to Yemen- Siyad Barres son-GEDO Ambassador to Oman- Naaji- Somali Yemeni Ambassador to China- From Marka- From the clans of djibouti,Awdal etc Ambassador to UN- From Bulo burde- Hiiraan Clan Ambassador to Kenya- Not from yeys clan Ambassador to EU- Yey's 'clan' Now tell me where is the corruption? Where is the Siyad Barre like moves? Is the Presidents personal spokeperson now supposed to be divided in the 4.5? Your one quick character ya horn. When the ICU kicked Hiraale out you started to call them the 'entity'. When the alleged bombing in Kismayo happened and you perceived Afgaduud was behind the happenings, your stance has changed from Pro-TFGish to Clan man. But yet you speak of 'Somalis'. Give me a break saxiib. Flip flop, drip drop, and wherever Hiraale goes, only Horn shall know.....

Originally posted by Jaylaani: We’re discussing about thousands of Somalis drown in the ocean plus other thousands being murdered by the Xabashis and Butland militia in daily bases and all you come up was alleged rape of ONE girl. That is absurd and you should be ashamed of your self. You don’t have to condone the actions of others just because. I LOVE Somaliland but I hate the government. There is a big difference of supporting your country and following your sick leaders blindly. Sheekadii ubaxii kacaankaad meesha ku haysaan. Yes but out of 30-40 thousand somalis travelling last year to yemen less then a thousand have died. 95%+ of those who intend to travel across get there. The individuals doing it are despicable. But remember they are only individuals. They are not the Puntland government or the whole population. They are but a few people. Ofcourse it needs to be stopped. The Local authorities are doing there best to stop this.

I would like to congradulate the DUKE. He is taking my old post. EU here I come.

Violet I know what you're saying. He is not worthy of a response.

Originally posted by Violet: He's the Presidents spokesperson..so what? He doesn't speak for the government, he speaks for Abdullahi Yusuf and Abdullahi Yusuf could have chosen anyone he wanted for that position. What are you going to complain about next? The fact that the Presidents personal cook is his wife? Or that his personal assistant isn't from your clan? You would have had a case if the President started giving important government positions to his and his clan alone, but that's not the case. It's funny to see all these people get jumpy when someone from the Presidents clan is given a position..If you don't support the government and see it as an illegitimate entity, why should it bother you? WELL SAID. They will ask why is the presidents tailor from his clan or why is the presidents personal bodygaurd from his clan. Wallahi do you want him to divide even his barber under 4.5 now?

^ Whose 'you guys'? I expect 5th degree cerebral cuqdad from YOU .

Boosaaso: Ciidamada badda Puntland oo ku baxay goobta lagu haysto markab shalay la qafaashay. 26. Feb 2007 APL Tool Send This Article To A Friend By Email | Saaxiibkaa warkaan ugu *** Email -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Print This Article | Daabaco warkaan Boosaaso(AllPuntland)- Ciidamada badda dawalad goboleedka Puntland ayaa ku baxay deegaanka Raascasayr ee gobolka Bari halkaasi oo kooxo hubaysan ay ku haystaan markab rar u dajiyay hay'adda cuntada adduunka ee WFP. Cutubyo katirsan ciidamada badda ayaa ka dhaqaaqay xeebta magaalada Boosaaso sida ay noo xaqiijiyeen masuuliyiin ka tirsan dawlad goboleedka Puntland. Ciidamada badda ayaa sheegay inay sida ugu dhaqsaha badan gacanta ugu soo dhigi doonaan markabka, kooxaha afduubtayna ay caddaallada hor keeni doonaan. Dhinaca kale ciidamada badda Maraykanka ayaa ayana kusoo dhaqaaqay deegaanka badda ee Raascasayr si ay usoo furtaan markabkaasi. Markabkan oo maalintii shalay ay afduubteen kooxo hubaysan ayaa waxaa leh shirkadda Mutaco Shiping ee dalka Kenya , waxaana uu rar kusoo dajiyay magaalooyinka dekedaha leh ee Berbera iyo Boosaaso. Kooxaha afduubtay markabka ayaa hadba dhinac u kaxayaynayay markabka illaa shalay, hase ahaatee wararkii ugu danbeeyay waxay sheegayaan in haatan geeyeen Raasiga loo yaqaan Raascasyr. Afduubka maraakiibta ayaa si aad ah hoos ugu dhacay lixdii bilood ee lasoo dhaafay, lamana garanayo arimaha dib usoo cusboonaysiiyay. CCC Farayaamo AllPuntland

Originally posted by Jaylaani: Why are you taking it so personally? Are you condoning what the Butland authority is doing? Who said it is the Puntland authorities? It is a few individuals. But you already knew that. Ciidamada Puntland iyo kuwa Maraykanka oo kusii qul qulaya xeebta Baargaal Last Updated::2007-02-26 13:07:43 Bosaso:- Ciidamada Puntland ayaa kusii socda deegaanka Baargaal ayadoo la sheegay in ay ciidamadaasi ay mareen dhinaca bariga iyo Bada. Ciidamadan ayaa la sheegay in ay usocdaan sidii ay wax uga qaban lahaayeen Markab lagu afduubay nawaaxiga degmada Caluula. Markabkii MV Rozen ayaa la sheegay inuu hada joogo nawaaxiga xeebta Baargaal, ayadoo halkaasi ay ku heystaan dabley hubeysan. Hay'ada WFP oo uu markabkan u kireysnaa ayaa sheegay in aysan weli soo gaarin wax codsi ah oo ka yimaada kooxda wax afduubay. Maraakiibta Maraykanka Marka laga yimaado ciidamada Puntland ee loo diray in ay arrintaasi wax ka qabtaan, ayaa ayaduna waxaa jira Markab nooca dagaalka ah oo uu Maraykanka leeyahay oo la sheegay inuu asaguna usoo dhaqaaqay dhinaca xeebta gobalka Bari sida ay xaqiijiyeen xubno kamid Puntland iyo hay'ada WFP. Markabkan la afduubay ee MVRozen ayaa keenay dekkada Bosaaso 1500 tan oo cunto ah oo ay keentay hay'ada WFP, wuxuuna dib ugu noqonayey magaalada Mombasa ee dalka Kenya. Isla markabkan Rozen ayaa sanadkii lasoo dhaafay lagu weeraray meel aan ka fogeyn xeebta Muqdisho, ayadoo uu wakhtigaasi ka badbaaday markabkan afduubkaasi la isku dayey. Xassan Ciise HorseedNet.com

Originally posted by Jaylaani: Violet, I’m not being sincere at all. I’m exposing the ill way of doing business in Butland. Kidnapping ships delivering humanitarian needs and food assistance to the needy and exporting people, taking their cash and dumping them in the water are some of the few dirty businesses conducted in Butland. Such hate is amazing. Somebody has 5th degree cuqdad. A few individuals do not represent the whole population. A couple of human traffickers and some armed gangs on fishing boats certainly do not represent Puntland as a whole. Just like the actions of 'Somalilands' government such as the Zamzam rape, and killing of minorites and burning of minorities in Hargeisa certainly do not represent you does it?

^ Your parents supervision, care and over help is what shapes and forms individuals. When momma is at the local aroos or xaflaad and aabe is at the local mafrash. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OF THE KIDS? They will parent themselves?

^ You just told me all that is wrong and then said a solution needs to be taken. Point blank these kids need a scare in their lives. Wether it comes as 19 year old men in state prisons with 6'6 250 lbs tyrone or 5'11 adeer jamaac in Somalia you make the call. Would you want your kid pressured by Tyrone in the most awkward of places? I think not.

Isn't this topic breaking one of the golden rules? Flaming individuals is not part of SOL, or is it now?

Taliban So 'Sheik' Indhacadde was really a Qari, Imam, Sheik, Mufti all in one? WOW. Never thought the day I would see that.

Originally posted by Taliban: quote:Originally posted by Violet: So we're meant to ignore the fact that the leaders of this movement were from one clan because they claimed to be Islamic? You're misinformed; the ICU isn't based on a clan system, let alone one clan. The other thing, in modern history, no movement can claim to be Islamic without being a genuine Islamic movement. It simply cannot be a fake Islamic movement. Why? Because the West would ensure to destroy such movements, even if they claim to be Islamic for fun. If you think otherwise, I challenge you to cite two examples of fake Islamic movements. In the history of the world has there been two examples of a society in which people of the same religion, culture, ethinic group and language slaughtered each other of almost a million souls? 1/10 of the Somali population in the early ninties? NO. Somalia is a unique case. Fake wadaads included. Indhacadde being the most ironic wadaad ever.