Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Very interesting take on the issue at hand. Why don’t you articulate what is sham about ‘Somalinimo’ or false about unity based on the territorial integrity of Somalia? I would appreciate if you could present a coherent argument that deems defending Somali unity as mere ‘desktop nationalism’! Try it yaa Warmoog! I can't wait to see how Warmoog puts his case forward.

There are two threads going on with the same subject, so I see no reason to dilute this discussion. I will be on the Reality Check thread.

hahahah@duke's new avatar. Are you now hired by the UN man?

1.Kismayo 2.Marka Cadeeyyyy 3.Ceerigaabo 4.Jowhar 5.Baydhabo 6.Hargeysa 7.Xamar

I posted what I had to say on that reality check thread. If I get any time I will start posting in this thread too.

No further comment, my original point stands and it needs no further clarification. If being against the secessionist entity means I hate the people from the North west of Somalia, then being against the TFG means I hate the Somali people or maybe even a section of the Somali people depending on how you see the TFG. Am I comparing the TFG and the secessionist entity? well in my book a bad apple is a bad apple, I don't care whether its called Granny Smith or Ginger Gold. About reading everything I post, well let me give you a hint...check the 25 page thread. Titled Puntland arrests clerics, maybe that will refresh your memories.

Originally posted by Bokero: Finger pointing takes us no where!! I have suggesting lets start a discussion on the SOMALIA WE WANT!!! And how to achieve it!!

@xanthus - The Siad Barre is a docter in a madhouse comment has been dealt with, if you want to see my reply to it check the Puntland arrests clerics thread. the oxymoron issue, well I am against the TFG and with your reasoning I must hate Somalia.

Originally posted by Mj. bada Cas: lol@ Dirac you keep changing, adeer doesn't everyone has their own choice to put any nick they want, your job is to deal with the words on the screen not waste too much time on the nick names of others mr. superflous. lol That being said, Again, the meausures we would use would be to simply compare the two regions as far as developments and safety. As far as development goes, you just have to go there and see it, if not take a look at the developments. Try to compare Puntland best city to Somaliland's best city; Bosaaso and Hargeysa. As for safety wise, adeer Puntland is more closer to southern Somalia therefore it's well known to everyone that is not as nearly safe as Somaliland. When we say safey we are not just talking about things that take place on dialy basis but also the possibility of something terrible happening. Somaliland is neighbored by Jabuti and Puntland both peaceful areas, however Puntland is neighbored on the other side by Southern Somalia. The war that took place between the UIC and the Ethiopians almost spilled over to Puntland. Renegade, leave him to me abti, the only hope or way he tries to 'debate' or 'discuss' anything is by making it seem as though he asking tough questions and people are dodging it. He is frustraed fellow, who has spent too much time in the west. Again this guy is the same guy that constantly says he would be killed if he goes to Hargeysa or in other threads admires Siyad Barre by once saying he was not a dictator but rather a doctor of mad house. then he comes back saying he was. :confused: Or perhaps in other cases gets some mathmatical figures wrong by saying Hargeysa/burco's pop.= only 75,000 in '88. lol Moreover, haven't you seen how he constantly hates on Somaliland. I have been here long enough and he has been hiding behind Somalism for so long, however his true colors have showed, when he says things like he hates and disguises Somaliland. Though we could really careless of what comes out of the mouth of insignificant fellow who by the way claims to be from Hargeysa. Kaas ayaad wax ka sugaysaa. how can one defend himself against the logic of Badacase? Stop being so emotional sxb, this is a conversation/debate/arguments and yes we are all insignificant in the immense universe, our issues are insignificant in this troubled world. So for once open your eyes and see what I am saying no matter how insignificant they tend to be. Answer these questions for me Badacase: Am I wrong want to live peacefully with you and all other Somalis in one Somali state? Am I wrong to say that my nation should be united instead of divided? Am I wrong to say lets look objectively at history? Am I wrong to say we should judge all criminals equally? So forget for a second that I disgree with the secessionist project and tell me where I am wrong? Point out the faults in my arguments instead of going down the path of insults, convince me and if you can't convince the SOL public of your points of view. So far only one guy me has been messing with all of you secessionist supporters and all you have come with is mud throwing imagine of all those sillent people said the same, how would you react? crawl in a corner and tell yourself that everyone hates you, the whole world is against you? Stop preaching to your choir sxb, try to convince others why you are right and why the secessionist entity should be granted independance by Somalia. Do I hate Somaliland? No because I can't hate what doesn't exist. Am I against the secessionist project? yes I am (thats an understatement). What is my view on the people from the North West region of Somalia? They are my people and there is no one else would want to live except Hargeysa, Waqooyi Galbeed, Somalia.

Kashafa, I am glad you started these two threads. You have many valid points and I will answer your questions and reply to your comments as soon as possible for me (most likely caawa). I will also explain to you how I came to my conclusions and why I believe what I believe. I hope that we can have an open, frank and fruitful discussion on our views and the positions we have taken in this struggle that we are in (or about to join).

^^trying to spinn it

^Stop turning and twisting the issue, Answer the question or say that you don't have an answer its that simple. You are full member of the dodgers team I see.

Originally posted by Dabshid: quote: General Abdi Hassan Awale ‘Qeybdid’, the new police commander in the transitional government So he is GEN now? Titles have been used and abused. We have common soldiers being called generals these days. A guy who spent a day in college is a professor and if you pray your a sheikh.

Originally posted by Renegade: MR. Me Sxb throwing mindless insults are not my thing so i wont divulge in your little game. However i will answer answer your fair question. You said that Gobolka Bari is more developed then the whole of Somaliland so i would like you to show me where and how it is more developed then Somaliland. dont answer my question by posing another question sxb. Bada Cas, brother i like to show ignorance and ********* where it is at its most blatant so i answer every question no matter how invalid it actually is. these folk consider ignorance to be bliss so i see your point that trying to point them in the direction is in some way pointless. 1. We can see who is throwing the insults around otherwise your post wouldn't be censored. 2. You started of so well saying that you would answer my question, but somehow you turned it into a question. 3. I wonder what question have you answered? 4. Answer my question. What measurements have you guys used to come to the conclusion that the secessionist entity is the most 'peacefulness' region of Somalia. Because like I have already explained we can use those measurements to see how developed other regions in Somalia are. Ps. In case you didn't get it the first time, dirac is the nickname you keep changing. Pss. Whats the update on that flag?

Badacase and Renegade (stick to one dirac), how are you measuring the 'peacefullness' or the development of the secessionist entity or the north west province? I would like to use those measurements for Gobalka Bari. Maybe then we can make a better judgement which province enjoys more 'peacefulness'.

There is one Gobalka Bari In Somalia. Gobalka bari is the answer to your question, its the most peacefull and the most developped region in todays Somalia. Its the true Somali succes story from the past 16 years.

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Gobalka Bari without a shadow of a doubt.

Badacase, I would vote for the guy. I want him to be the leader of the secessionists that much. Siilaanyo would be a pragmatic, he would get the secessionists the best deal they could. Not that they would be thankfull. Waraabe on the hand, would isolate them even further. He would start wars and he would be the end of the secessionists. The reason that the secessionists have lasted for so long is because they have been talking loudly but threading carefully. I would love to see Waraabe as the secessionist leader, he would be the final nail on their secessionist coffin.

lol@kismayo and its never ending story.

I hope that Waraabe gets elected

Originally posted by Mj. bada Cas: Land grapping? So what is Abdullahi Yusuf doing in Xamar then, don't I have the same right to call that as land grapping, revenge of what occured back in the civil wars? Aha so if I understand it correctly, you are saying that the secessnist entity is busy grapping land and revenging for what happened during the civil wars? and that if AY can do it in Xamar today, then the secessionist entity is allowed to do that too? Aduunyo! Badacase cimaamadii iska daaye, macawistii ayaa kaa dhacday, cali falaax waaxid!

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Originally posted by Xanthus: ^^^You mean faarrah ila so galaya, afkaku is no where near you :rolleyes: . ^And it is untrue that females can do "anything" males can do. :rolleyes: lol.... You know what faaraxan afkiisa wuu kaala leexanayaa

Are you high? I am of the opinion that females can do anything males can and sometimes even better. So thats your assumptions at work again. get it fixed will ya! Your signature is nice, I am glad it inspires you. I have my own shaqo, its you afka mar walba ila soo galaya, so adigu bal shaqo yeelo.