1. I navigate the treacherous and make it seem effortless - mos def 2. I am going out blasting taking my enemies with me and if not scar them so they would never forget me - mobb deep 3. From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable - Nas

^ Everyday is a groundhog day and don't give up its so unSomali and no the secessionist entity is not independant, its a rebelliouse region with a maamul. Turn it twist it, wish, pray, beg, plead, try it however you like it independance is not in the cards for the secessionist entity.

Originally posted by Northerner: You’re going around in circles. The comments I brushed aside were not up for contention/discussion in the first place. Re-read the thread. You implied the TFG has influence in SL. I stated it didn’t. You dodged my questions for a few pages and now we both agree the TFG has no influence in SL. The other issues you want to bring into discussion are more of a consolation for you rather than ‘relevant’. With regard to the Somali Law (Somali Constitution), is it worth discussing it when SL feels they are excluded from it? Ie they are an independent state with it’s own laws or are we talking if re-unification occurs? The latter has scope for discussion but the former will only prove your argument to be redundant. Again hadii aad hore u fahmi wayday. 1. The secessionist entity claims its an independant government, yet no one recognizes it. 2. The TFG is the internationally recognized government of Somalia. 3. The international community has affirmed the territorial integrity of Somalia. 4.=2+3, TFG is the government of Somalia, Somalia is united. 5. The laws the Somali Republic are the laws of the Somali Republic. So 2+3+4= These laws also apply the secessionist entity. 6. The secessionist entity might feel excluded from the republic but that doesn't change its status. Its a part of the Somali republic, a rebeliouse region, but a part of the Somali republic. 7. How can we talk about re-unification if the country was never divided? Now answer these questions for me. A. Can foreign firms make deals with rebelliouse regions without this deal being affirmed by the national government (TFG?) B. What could the consequences be for these firms and their investments when the National government takes control of those rebelliouse regions?

JB has a valid point, but this is a positive development, I applaud those who have taken the initiative to start this project, may they be succesfull.

Dhubad is this university being built in west-london

Northerner, you brushed my comments of as a deluge of irrelevance yet you didn't come up with any points of what I said that you disagreed with. So do me a favor and point out one thing that I said in the post above that is a lie/half truth/ BS...or whatever, you can't brush these facts sxb. Secondly I can made deals with whoever, but that doesn't make me qualified to do so. When the new sharif arrives in town....all these deals might be ka kac and foreign investors should and do keep that in mind. Ta sedexaad, Mr.Wall street has provided you with two links of the Somali Consitution, please do read. Because thats the law of the Somali Republic where precious Burco is located.

North thats the discussion at hand, this article brings the legality of deals made by rebeliouse regions forward. Secondly no the secessionist enitity is not independant, its a rebeliouse region within the Somali republic and yes its de facto administration of the North West Region of Somalia and no it does not come under direct control of Muqdisho, but its a matter of time. You should realize that the TFG is weak today but when the TFG gains more strenght it has the right to bring all rebelliouse regions under direct control, by all means necessary. The TFG is the internationaly recognized government of Somalia, the TFG is the only legal government of Somalia, the international community also repeatedly said that it recognizes the territorial integrity of the Somali Republic. So where do these facts place the secessionist entity? what is their position under international law? and if its only the secessionist militia thats in the way of bringing the secessionist entity under Muqdisho control, I would be worried, if I was a supporter of that entity. So now lets go back to teh discussion at hand. Is the entity qualified to make international deals? and whats the position of these deals under Somali law?

North and JB yaan lays indha tirin. The TFG is a power to be reckond with and with the right leadership the TFG could wreck all secessionist/Warlords and anti-Somali plans. I don't know in aad ula kac isu indha tiraysaan maahe waxaan idin idhi. 1. The TFG is the legal and internationally recognized government of Somalia..if you can argue with that bring forward your case..........I am looking forward to it. 2. The secessionist leadership is the de facto administration of the North West territory of Somalia, thats very different the Former British Somaliland Protectorate So with these two facts, lets discuss the matter of foreign investment in North West region or for that matter all the rebeliouse (semi-autonomous) regions. Will the deals made without government approval be respected when the government is control in those areas. Lets take for example the Puntland Oil and Mineral exploration deal. Or the Yemeni 'trade' deal. I am asking you are these trades bidning? and whats their position under Somali law? Could these deals be annulled by a post-TFG government that controls these areas? Disclaimer: these comments do not make me a TFG supporter. I disagree on the TFG on many points including their dabo-dh*lif stance, the fedaral system, the 4.5 formula and the current 'leadership'. I would like to see a Strong Somali Government thats in control of all of the former republic.

You would only ask Adis for direction JB. and about me supporting the TFG .....so arguing for the territorial integrity of my country means I support the TFG? .......hadaan xanaaqayaa

A. You have not asked a question, so how can i concede B. You have made comments that emphasize the tragic situation our country is in, but those comments do not change the situation of the secessionist entity. 1. Somalia is in a civil war 2. Somalia has an internationally recognized government 3. By recognizing this government the international community also recognized the territorial integrity of the Somali Republic. 4. The secessionist leadership is the de facto leadership in the North West territory but the question is for how long? and if this international recognition that they are seeking doesn't come soon well then 5. The status of the region now is a rebelliouse region. Marka sarcasm ha kaa saarto .............anyhow to come back to the original question, can other countries/foreign companies make deals with the secessionist enity or any other warlord and are these deals binding? are these deals in accordance with Somali law? anyone?

I am glad you understand that the situation of the secessionist enity is rebellion rather then independance at least we agreed on something today. ps. Clan battles are not a civil war?

Yes there is a civil war going on in the Somali Republic.

No I do not. Its a rebeliouse region in a time of civil war. And independance is only relative, it depends on what criteria you use to prove independance.

No keyword Internationally Recognized. Otherwise its just a rebelliouse region.

A civil war is going on in the Somali Republic Northerner, in all countries where there are/were civil wars there have been regions like that had administrations, but after the civil war ends, then the self administration of that region ends. Also know now that Somalia has an internationally recognized government in the TFG and Yemen recognizes the TFG as the legal government of Somalia and thereby also recognizes the territorial sovereignty of Somalia Other countries can't make deals with regions of the country without the consent of the TFG. End of that story.

Or Horn who will now assume the command himself . Is casilidii Horn as afhayeenka Hiraale and this attempt now......hmmmm, well lets say in my world there are no coincidencces. Anyhow my finger is pointing at the usual suspects AY & the Ethiopians or the Ethiopians & AY.

Somali songs

^ the lyrics please if the search for Qofka was too easy...this one will be harder. Haven't heard this song in ages. Its sung by magool and a drunk dude at some ruwaayad, I cant remmember its name. Lyrics.....Sida dhayman iyo luul........and dhabtaan ku saarayaa...etc etc.

MsD&D, he wants her out of his life, he is saying to her La dabaalo caashaqa meaning...don't let teh door hit ya on your way out. Zuhayla, disected it. Does anyone have a song titled Qofka? Its a man singing about some lady combing her hair, holding a flower..... (or was he saying...sida ubax la moodyee?)

Northerner will do the punishing It should be someone from the North West actually. Who should do the punishing of those who have been the loudest, with that the face of millions will be savedand heal communities.....its that simple.

Tuna and Xumus? isn't that asking for calool xanuun? Unity is with the people not with those calling for the dismemberment of our country. Just as Muuse Suudi Yalahow should be punished those calling for secession will be too. Unity is not possible if those who have harmed our nation are not punished, dont you agree?

Allamagan do you have this from the CIA website? they have allot fo declassified material from the 60's now. Maybe even stuff about Somalia.

Kuwaas warkoodaba daa. Meles anagaa ka shaqayna ma Hargeysa wabi baa dhex maraa?

War adigu Meles iiga sheekee

Lol....war hoos ayaad iigu dhigaysaa xamaasadna ma qaboojinaysid Ma ninka Siyaad Barre sheekada soo galiyay ayaa meel qaboojinaya?