I didn't have first impressions, I had 10th impressions and they keep changing. Honestly you all kick a$$, even the annoying ones have their own likeability's. Ghinima - crazy 400 year old lady that should be running a tea stall in burco and selling jaad on the side. Duke - are they paying him for this? JB - someone get him a keybard that has more letters then the letters L and O ....looooooooooooooool Northerner - how much will it take me to make him crack. Kashafa - someone get him a bombvest Horn- who is hiiraale? Guevara - too neutral, should voice his opinions more often. Cambaro - how did she get so smart, she said she would accept if her man wanted a second wife (yea right). Munira - down to earth, haven't seen her get into discussions yet and if she does, she stays civil....for entertainments sake, pick a fight! Val- why are Rudy and NGONGE obsessed with her. C&C - SOL's resident artist, must be either mental or a serious substance abuser, very interesting posts. Lazy girl - hook her up with Socod badne Socod badne - Hook him up wit lazy girl, she will chop off his legs. (Lazy and SB are like gasoline and fire I have noticed) Rudy - I want what he smoked. Lily - someone steal her shoes Nomadique - she hates me Oodweyne - unstable. Badacase - Oodweyne the younger years. Rahima - radical The guys sporting secessionist flags - Somalia ha noolaato! Xiin, Baashi, BOB, Nur, MMA, Castro - Old school, there is wisdom there. Sharmaarke, Abdiladiif - More gabays please and also explanations of what they mean. There are many more entertaining people but no time to write them all. All in all lets stay civil, lets exchange ideas and above all lets have a laugh or two.

Me thinks Castro is playing hard to get No I don't.

Horn is it true did Oodweyne claim the seccesionists would be recognized in 2003 and that he was in the negotiating team..and that he altered articles......if thats true then those are the actions of a deluded individual.

Even if we assume that the colonial administrations threated people differently, how many somalis did the colonial administration affect? back then what was the percentage of nomads in our country, how many somalis came in contact with the colonials, how many somalis came into contact with the colonials to the point it changed their culture? Also whats the percentange of people in our population that was born after 1960? How many millions of somalis were born after 1960 and have been schooled in Somali schools by the Somali state. What do those people care about what gaal once ruled a specific area. This different mother BS is an insult to all Somalis. Have some self respect will ya.

Yea I read it nayruus and will post a full response soon, what I meant is the discussion between suldaank and horn and how that was getting out of control.

This thread is deteriorating quickly, injection of wisdom needed. Anyone?

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: ICU nimankaas uun baa jebiyay oo ay ka dhaqaaqi kari wayday ,,,,,,,,,, haddana maxay rabaan ?? Destroy every state and create an ummah, these guys don't care about Somalia or the Somali's. They want to bring down, burn and destroy everything thats not their way untill they get their way. These guys are working on 100 year plans, they are not expecting immediate results, they are gambeling on the long run and so far if you ask me they are winning.

^ In the article that you find under the link above this is what Jaamac Maxamed Qaalib said about the secessionist administration. The prevalent situation in the north of the Somali Republic that now styles itself as Somaliland has been the best of an overall bad scene since the collapse of the Somali nation state in early 1991. As already mentioned here above, there has been a relative peace in many parts of the north very much unlike most areas of the south. Some semblances of most ingredients of governance also exist there. However, these are not without dictatorial bents and bullying where the rule of law is flawed. Of all parts of present Somalia, only in the administration of the north are the centres of the power to be remnants of the former dreaded security apparatus of the defunct regime of Siad Barre.

General Jaamac Maxamed Qaalib on Somali Unity

I can only see jimcales picture. Post pictures people can see.

I cant see the pic, so don't know.

Hahahahah, I will not buy property in Arabia, I rather buy camels and live in an aqal Somali nomad style and roam in the Hawd.

^ In the sense of the secessionist entity is not a country, its a region in a country thats already occupied by the xabash and a reason for an enhanced xabash presence in the secessionist entity would be to protect its supply lines. All the pretext thats needed is that its supply lines are threatned by the Somali resistance. What example have you given? and why don't you substantiate the example for me, because in my opinion its too simplistic.

Substantiate your statement sxb, how is it good for the secessionist entity? What should the predictins be based on sxb, I saw them crossing the illegal border and they will be here in 30 minutes?

^ time doesn't permit a full analysis at the moment, so this sleepy one will have to do it, put it seems like it has done its job and made my point clear to you. So far you haven't said anything to refute my argument.

Yes we are getting technical if getting technical is the only mean of making you understand the point I am making. I have come to the conclusion that the Ethio's will move into the region (are already there*) and will enhance their presence through deductive reasoning sxb and my argument is a valid one. *(The Ethio's are alreday present their, with an oversized consulate, their largest in terms of workers, with a full and experienced ambassador and a large intelligence presence) ps. Allah knows best Northerner but that shouldn't stop us predicting the road ahead, with the tools we have.

Those smileys are the first sings that your about to crack under the pressure sxb. Analysis means literally to break a complex problem down into smaller, more manageable "independent" parts for the purposes of examination; with the hope that solving these smaller parts will lead to a solution of the more complex problem as well. In predicting what the situation will be in lets say 2 years we do not have to base everything on facts, because we are predicting what the future will bring. We can use the situation on the ground today as our starting point and other historical precedents to predict how the situation will evolve. We are reasoning here. Deductive arguments are intended to have reasoning that is valid. Reasoning in an argument is valid if the argument's conclusion must be true when the premises (the reasons given to support that conclusion) are true. One classic example of deductive reasoning is that found in syllogisms like the following: Premise 1: All humans are mortal. Premise 2: Socrates is a human. Conclusion: Socrates is mortal. So the arguments I have used in previous posts are valid.

Northerner, the secessionist entity is already a satellite of Ethiopia and its influence is for all of us to see. The creation of BFTZ benefits Ethiopia. The locals will not benefit from this deal and the list of benifits that the author of the initial article put forward is lets say simplistic. On the issue of Ethiopian troops patrolling the highway and occupying Berbera (maybe even with consent of the ruling clique in the secessionist entity) is not a far fetched idea. The reason why I brought this forward is that the Ethio's have to protect their supply line and will use any means necessary to do that. Resistance fighters trying to disrubt those supplies lines to choke The Xabash is also not a far fetched idea.

This is what the author of the initial article wrote and his list of why the Berbera Free Trade zone will benefit the North West region was simplistic and thats what made me question this deal, and whether the locals were being cheated. The case is being presented by the secessionist leadership and their xabash masters is being pushed with lies like it will benefit teh locals, while the real beneficiary is the xabash at the cost of Somalis everywhere. One , a free zone is typically labor intensive activities. Therefore employment gains are significant. Secondly , a free zone brings new technology, for example, in terms of production methods. That can contribute in the way we produce things even inside Somaliland. Thirdly , this introduction of technology and different know-how in production actually develop human resource, which enters there as employees. It educates them; it is like on the job training. The unskilled can become skilled, and the skilled one can become more professional. Fourthly , it is the way of connecting the Somaliland economy with international markets, with international companies and with the economies of other countries. The chance to export to all over the world is all of a sudden open with out much restriction, through the various industries in the free zone. Fifthly , by having a free zone you also have a chance of availability of resources and raw materials, finished products, technological equipments and so on in your own country. That has a big impact on expediting economic development inside Somaliland. Last but not least , the ability is created for Somaliland to sell its raw materials and its resources to the world through the free zone. We have had problems in trying to export many of our products, but in this one as long as you have companies who are processing that need these resources, you have an instant foreign market and you sell this in foreign currency. Therefore, the revenues gained would enable us to get the necessary reserves in terms of foreign currency.

^ My question is also how will the secessionist entity be paid? and how will the region benefit from it? Maybe you should read what I write, then you will know we are actually saying the same thing.

^ yes sxb, one needs to question everything, we can't take any BS that people dish out to us, by asking the right questions one will learn.

Originally posted by Northerner: Skimmed through the thread. Nothing new and no back-up/rationale for statements made. I didn't expect you to admit my stance makes sense sxb, thats for the SOL readers to decide. The points I made are clear and any logical being will understnad what I am saying. JB, the Xafun deal is shady and illegal, its and a ridiculous deal Jacaylbaro. The people of Puntland know their present situation and that they are under occupation and that they can't choose who rules them without Xabash consent. The ruling people delude themselves that the xabash is their friend and that they are 'using' the xabash while they are the ones being used. The secessionist ruling clique tells the same BS to the people as the PL ruling cliqie, they also say that teh Xabash is their freind and that they are willing to do business with whoever etc etc. So in my book todays PL and secessionists are two Xabash pawns, that are used to divide the Somali people. I am from waqooyi galbeed and thats why I concerm myself with issues regarding waqooyi galbeed. The land is as much mine as its yours and I will raise my voice against what I don't disagree with in my home region.

There you go sxb.

North, I think you made an indirect comparison sxb and thats why I asked you for further details. You not answering my question made me conclude that your comparison was not a valid one. 1. How will it not help the local population? 2. How does it 'only' serve Ethiopia? 3. How will the Ethios be placing SL under it's direct control? 4. They will station troops in the area because it has a free zone port? (or do you want them to? ) 5. A bad move for the region because you say so? Northerner I have explained how I came to these conclusions in this thread and in thisthread Jacaylbaro I have no uncles in politics sxb, ta labaad thank you for strenghtening my case by claiming that Berbera port is intended to as you aptly put it 'Kick Djabouti's ambitions' and proving my original point of Ethiopia playing Somalsi out on each other so that they compete on who is most willing to do favours for it. Business sense and political sense would be to form a united block againts Ethiopia so that we make deals with them on OUR terms not THEIR terms and to do that you need a little something called Somalinimo.

Absolutely Kashafa. But then the question is, can what they practice be termed as Somalinimo?