This supporter of the scession explains the reason why secessionists are so close to the Ethiopians. 4- SIYAASADA ITOOBIYA. Mayla socotaa weli waxaa dhacay, mase laga yaabaa in mishinadaa aan kasoo sheekaynay oo dhami qayb kayihiin ujeedooyinka ismaaciil cumar geele, tan itoobiya oo lafteena dheer ahaydna ay ooda afka kasaartay dawlada riyaale, dib udheeho xiligii dagaalka gudaha iyo kadebedaba laynagu soo qaaday waxaa ujeedadiisu ahayd in aynaan meel dheer gaadhin soomaalina layna tuso inaynaan kamaarmin, waxaase waxaasoo dhan isku fuuqsaday markay jabuuti oo aynu xidhiidh ganacsi lalahayn tidhi meel walba waan ka xidhay, cir, dhul iyo badba, yaa inoo baxay oo aan ilaahay iyo itoobiya ahayn, dib ueeg dekada harta shiikh, dib ueeg diyaarada itoobiya eerlayn, dib ueeg karbedka ay kulaafyoon jireen masuuliyiinteena qaran, dib ueeg calanka soomaaliland iyo adis ababa, dib ueeg safiirkeena iyo kan dublamaasi ee hargaysa jooga, wixii intaa dheerna adaan kuu dhaafayaa. ....KAYSE AADAN MOHAMED DENMARK sdwo The real reason why the secessionists are so close to Ethiopia is because they don't know where their real interests lie. They have alienated all their neighbors, whether it’s Somali Galbeed, SSC, Maakhir, Jabuuti even the Arab nations across the sea. They are now at the mercy of the Xabash with no where to run or tohide. They are reduced to Xabash stoogism because they see that being a Xabash stooge is the only way that they will reach their clan goals. TFG supporters and SL supporters isku si un ayee u fakarayaan. Labaduba waxay u arkaan Xabashiga as their ally in their clan orientated goals. Some even call the Xabash a tool, but we can see who the real tools are.

Ka dib markii ay Jabhada SNM [somalida Neceb Midnimada] ay weerarka ku soo qaadeen gobolka Sool ayaa waxaa soo badanayey Bililiqada ay ka geysteen magaalada Laascanood waxayna qaateen Alaabo badan oo isugu jira Ducument iyo Alaabada Guryaha,waxaana ka mid ahaa Alaabada ay qaateen 500 Boqol oo ah Baasaboorka Cusub ee Somaliya ka dib markii ay jabsadeen Xafiiskii Socdaal iyo Baasaboorada Magaalada Laascanood. Magaalada Burco ayaa maalmahan waxaa ka taagnaa is qabqabsi kaas oo maanta gaaray heer la isu qaado gacan,waxaana la isku haystaa Baasabooradii sidi loo kala qeyb sanlahaa madaama la joojiyey Baasaborkii hore ee Somalia. Beesha Habar jelco ayaa ku doodaysa in ay iyagu Xaq u leeyihiin in ay qaataan 500 Boqol ee baasaboor madaama ay iyagu yihiin cida soo biliqiqaysatay,arinkaa ayaa waxaa diidan maamulka Riyaale oo iyagu raba in ay qaataan madaama laga joojiyey Baasaboorkii hore ee somalia oo ay ku dhoofi jireen. Dhinaca kale mar aan maanta la hadalnay Ahmed Ashkir oo ah Madaxa Socdaalka Safaarada ku taala magaalada Adis ababa ayaa noo xaqiijiyey il la joojin doono Baasabooradaa laga bililiqeystay magaalada Laascanood wuxuuna yiri Baasabooradanu waa Computereysi waana fududahay sida loo joojin karo Arinka ayaa dhabar ku noqondoona Jabhada SNM [somalida Neceb Midnimada] Boocame Online News!!! Laascaanod Somalia

^Why should we be distinguising them? if the entity that they support is a Xabash puppet. There is no difference between TFG supporters and those that support SL. SL and TFG are both allies of the Xabash in its quest to destroy anything resembelling a viable Somali state. So instead of throwing around accusations and crying about that I don't question the TFG supporters, address the issue. Are those that support SL hypocritical when they point a finger at those that support the TFG in the matter of Xabash support in achieving their 'political goals'? saxiibayaal buuqa meesha kadaaya. No one says if u support SL, you can voice your concerns about the goings on of muqdishu. However, if iam to use Ayoub and Norf Logic then I Can support the TFG without supporting some of their actions. Hence, not everyone who supports the entity of the Somali Government which was elected in Nairobi is a dabodhilif. Ya Boys you cant have your cake and eat it you know. Nin Brown clarified it for you incase you didn't understand my argument.

lol@xiin and castro Oodweyne I counted 2532 words. To sum up what you said 1. Usual hot air. 2. Repeating the questions asked and trying to distort them. 3. Trying to answer the distorted questions 4. Failing to answer the distorted question 5. Coming up with examples that do not apply 6. Lame attempt at humor etc etc. But I didn't see the questions answered in those 2532 words. Do you think that you can get away not answering questions by posting 2532 word replies? Ku noqo and this time address the questions. ps. I will reply to the other issues you raised in your post when I have more time. There are some interesting ones in it.

Oodweyne, A raw nerve has been struck on your end I see. Earlier in this thread I believe you read how easily it was to expose the hypocrisy of the secessionist supporters. The fact that you haven't addressed that issue only shows that you guys (supporters of the secessionist entity) are equally guilty of serving Xabash interests as are the supporters of the TFG. Ta labaad your waardiye comment once again highlighted to me your underdeveloped political sense. Let me explain to you why I say that. 1. I didn't forward your case 2. It didn't buy you any credit 3. It showed others reading this thread that you desperately want to change the course of this discussion by starting some sort of a name-calling-fest. I am sorry to tell you that I will not allow you to get out of this Qoorsagaaro. Now stop dodging and address the question of Xabash support in the Hargeysa admin. On the issue of my political stance let me tell that that its colored metallic blue like the sky of our home land. ps. Watch out I might convert you

I understand your fully sxb, but I am saying that people tend to act according to their perceived interests more then they act on obligations. The interest of SL and those that support SL are at this moment not the same as the interests of the rest of us pro-unity Somalis. No matter how obliged they (the secessionist supporters) are to show sympathy to the suffering of the people in Xamar* and, the supporters of the secessionist entity will be the most unlikely group to support any struggle that means the unification and the stability of the rest of Somalia. The secessionist entity is one of the best supporters of the Xabash. The Xabash that is killing people in Xamar is getting supplied from Berbera. So why should the word of someone that supports the entity that’s indirectly supporting the Xabashi massacres in Xamar be trusted? First the secessionists should change their position on Somali Unity and only them will we have the same interests. Now they are looking at the Xabash for support and for ‘recognition’. *btw they show sympathy to Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq etc too, whats the difference between that sympathy and the sympathy they show to the people in Xamar?

^ MMA has to clean up the mess the day after, and he is not looking forward to the bannings and the thread cleanings. Originally posted by AfricaOwn: quote:Originally posted by me: ^I expected you would say this in your first post. You dissapointed me and your guru. He has point though. I like to see you respond to him without the typical What point does Badacas have yaa Africaown? MMA I know that Badacas in uun fogeyn but as long uu gooni isu taaga madaxiisa ku hayo, uuna soo cabayo propogandada secessionistska meeshan un ayaan isku haysanaynaa.

I am a member of the selfish self-centered party. Ps. why do you think a Makharian or someone from the SSC will support the people of Xamar (with arms) if your self-centered party is lending an ear to the secessionists that want to occupy the Makharians or the SSC? Its about interests, so your self-centered party should make a choice who is more important to them in their present struggle and for the future of the of our country. So make your own calculation. In order for groups to unite in an armed struggle there should be a common interest. What is the interest of the million plus people suffering under Xabashi occupation? And what is in your interest? When you know what your interest is, act accordingly, waxba dib ha u dhigan.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Arrintaan Seccessionka has its day coming, we have more pressing issues to worry about now as far as million plus somalis are concerned. Thats where your wrong Xoogsade. Arintan secessionka ah ma aha arin dib loo dhigan karo. All political actors in Somalia should have a clear message and act accordingly. Wax dib u dhigasho and not being clear about intentions is whats fueling this conflict. The people of Xamar will only suffer longer if there is no clear message from political groups about their intentions and goals.

This thread showed one thing folks......there is no need to point fingers for many people here when they are in the wrong. We can bla bla away all we like, but as long some folks are not acknowlidging their wrongs and that they are still supporting some misguided entities, whether you call them TFG, PL, SL or ICU, the suffering will continue and the million something people suffering in banadir now will become 10 million Somalis suffering in the whole country. Now lets go on and pat ourself on the back for the solidarity of the mouth, while undermining that same solidarity with action. Caamir- Somali baan ahay sxb, Kenya iyo Ethiopia will be wishing that Somalia relinquishes them maalin dhow. You can either accept an inferior position or you will rise up to the challenge. The choice is yours. You can either be a free Somali man or you can forever be a Xabash Kenyan slave.

Too bale for my liking

Originally posted by AfricaOwn: ^^^^ Don't you support Said Barrah? 1. Who is Siyad Barrah 2. I like Yogi Berrah more 3. I live in the realm of the living, not the dead.

I dont need to. The rightful representatives of the people of the SSC already did that

First whats needed is actions on your side. You can say I don't agree with this or with that, but as long as you don't take a stance, you would be just venting hot air. If you want to critisize the Xabash and the TFG supporters, you need to have a clean sheet yourself and that means that you should disassociate yourself from the secessionist entity and its ideology. You can't finger point when the entity that you support takes similar actions as those that you want to critisize. Its hypocracy sxb. But we will see what you have to say bari.

You can say what is happening in Banadir is wrong; you can say you disagree with the massacres in Xamar and Somali Galbeed. But as long as you support an entity that’s equally guilty of Xabash stoogism. An entity that attacks other peaceful regions in Somalia, an entity that chooses war before peace, an entity that hands over Somali refugees to the Xabash, knowing that they will be tortured in the notorious Ethiopian prisons like Harar and Alambakha. So whether you support this stooge or that stooge, you still support a stoogist entity. And you cannot deny that the secessionist entity is a Xabash puppet/satellite. Marka talk is cheap Yaa Norf. If you were serious about the Xabash occupation in Xamar you would at least be equally loud about the Xabash influence in Hargeisa. I want to take you serious and all Somalis are needed to counter this Xabash threat in a united fashion, but as long as you and our secessionist brothers are hanging on to the dream of a clan state and are keeping the Xabash close I cannot take you serious. Marka as long as you hang on to this secessionist ideology, you are on the same level as the other Xabash stooges aka TFG. Ps. I know that Oodweyne and his students will say, the Xabash is not our friend, but aligning with the Xabash will serve our interest. So my question to them is what is the difference between them and those that support the TFG?

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^Formulate your opinion/crticism about them first then I might counter. The sick individual bit still stands. My opinion is clear to all it doesn’t need constant regurgitating. What bothers me though is hypocrisy of people who are unashamedly against the interest of the Somali people, by the fact that they are undermining our unity with every word that they say and every step that they take. This new found brotherhood that our secessionist brothers are displaying these days might at first sight seem to be genuine, but I am afraid that its another way that they are trying to undermine our Somalinimo. Hold on to your guns folks……I dhagaysta before you jump to your conclusions. 1. It’s the same old clan politics of my enemies enemy is my friend . Ok lets assume I am wrong in this. 2. Ask yourself why the ones that are so willing to criticise the Xabash stooges by the name of TFG are so willing to support the Xabash stooges by the name of Somaliland. 3. Why are the ones that are crying bloody murder when civilians have to flee the Xabash aggressor and its constant attacks in civilian neighbourhoods are singing the praise of the secessionist militia when they attack a peaceful city and civilians have to flee Laas Caanood? 4. Aren’t the secessionist cliques the ones that arrest civilians in Hargeysa and hand them over to the Xabash? So what makes the better then the TFG stooges? Intan waxaan ku soo gabagabaynayaa These actions by those that support the secessionist cause might at first sight seem to be welcome help, but in reality it’s undermining the cause that many Somali nationalists and wadaado are fighting for. Because the secessionists are only after their own interest and their interest is not a United, Strong and Prosperous Somalia. Caamir - Naga daa dee, sidii aad u murmaysay ayaad luntay. Repeat after me The Xabash is our enemy!

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^You only seem to have questions. Cige has a good question, what about the secessionists?

^I expected you would say this in your first post. You dissapointed me and your guru.

1. Your right Somalia is unique in its situation, the only comparison that I made here with Germany, is that we both had/have neighbors using our internal divisions for their own benefits (its nothing new,it happens everywhere)like the Germans we need our Prussians and we will be a strong nation once again. 2. For, simply put; our dilemma is that of “tribal Zero-Sum-game” writ large on a regional and international canvass; but nothing more of it, frankly.. Soomaali iska daaye, can you stand above the tribal zero sum game? Even if your calculations and reasoning came up with this, how come you let yourself be lead by tribal instincts? Or is this a temporary moment of sanity? 3. The only way out for us is that we both surrender to our common interests and those interests are unity and liberty. Or we will both sink together. This is also the message that I get from that article. I expect from you some long winded reply containing the words, siyaadiste/afweyniste/stalin/nazi/british/Yeey. If your reply does not contain the words I listed above, I will worry.

Caamir - your loosing yourself in this sxb. GJ - We would have won 77 if it wasn't for the Russians, the Cubans, Yemenis and the whole Warsaw pact, but does that mean we won? NO it doesn't, it means we lost. No matter what the circumstances where we lost. You can turn it and twist it however you like today, but the Xabash wants to colonize us. The question is what are you willing to do about that, other then deny that the xabash wants to colonize us.

Soomaali isku dirkeedu wakhtibuu u baahanyahay soomaaha.

How do you know?

Yaa i raadinaya? Is it Meles again?

lol@GJ.....you are funny indeed and the devil does not exist right?

^Its not your choice to make who comes in the place. Its the SSC peoples choice.