* speaks with his qal*aan accent* 1. wlc to the politics section 2. formulate your stance/message and share it with us 3. attack the message not the nomad 4. freedom of speech ever heard of that? 5. I don't expect anyone to take my reasons seriously, I am an individual speaking his mind, everyone should make up their own mind. The ones that listen to me or any other person on issues regarding their nations future ayaa iga daran. 6.The problem most folks have with me is that I make sense. 7. I hope that you can keep up, usually they desert a topic a fter few remarks or resort to loooooooooooooooolz So whats your stance on Somali unity? Whats your opinion on khat crazed lunatics? In your classification who is a lander and who is not a lander? ps. don't worry waan kuu naxariisan

^You remind me of alle-u-baahane. I mean is anyone suprised that the secessionists would try to use the missery of these people as a PR stunt? Remmember they are the orphans of the queen and they where the ones commomorating dead colonials and saying that the colonial oppressors were heroes.

^There is no such thing as Somalialnd only a secessionist region in Somalia. Africaown, I didn'nt know I was sitting an exam here, I am giving my opinion here

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: quote:Originally posted by me: No referendum at all and especially not under the current circumstances. So scared huh ?? Somalia is not ready for a referendum today. There has to be a period of peace before the people can make their choice. The people are not ready to make an informed choice today. All sides should get the chance to present their case inform of the Somali nation before such a referendum can be held. This referendum has to be a nationwide referendum, since all Somalis in the republic are stakeholders in this issue. We have to wait for peace and stability in all of Somalia before such a referendum can be held.

Guess ps. SSC or no SSC, Somali unity is not negotiable for me. So whather the secessionists hold on to Sool or Sanaag doesn't matter.

No referendum at all and especially not under the current circumstances.

Originally posted by Thierry: Slash irrespective of whether nation is homogenous I showed you that with the right pressure a country can break up. Me would you agree with Somaliland seceding if they did not intend to take Sool and Saanag with them. you have to understand that there were does who wanted to stay with Pakistan instead of joining the new Bangladesh, everywhere you go you will find people for or against an entity how ever it is the strength of the majority that matters. . Believe you me it is not easy to secede in this day and Anyhow we have bigger fish to fry at the moment, peace and stability must be attained in the south before negotiations can ever take place with Somaliland, so be patient lads Thiery I speak for my own person when I say this will not happen and if it happens I will make my life goal to bring the entity back to where it belongs. Whether the secessionists want to incorporate the SSC or not, I don't agree with secession. Secondly there is no majority in Somalia; there are clans and alliances. What may seem, as majority today, will be fragmented tomorrow. The bigger fish is not in the south or Ethiopia; it’s in the Somali psyche. The Somali problem has no geography. It has a psychology. Somalia lama kala goynayo, because some khat crazed lunatic told g8uilable folks that all their problems would be solved if they secede. What they don't realize is that they will make their problems worse, if they secede. Anyhow my stand is clear, Somalia will only regain territories, and Somalia will not loose territories.

Originally posted by Thierry: Me do not underestimate the will of the people after all we do not have East Pakistan anymore This is not East Pakistan, there are stakeholders here, who are being pushed into secession against their will. So you look at it how you want but I don't see any easy solutions. The secessionists have to come to the negotiating table sooner or later ......UDI my behind

Although you have come to the end of the road Still you can’t let go It’s so natural, you belong to me, I belong to you Come to the end of the road Still I can’t let you go It’s so natural, you belong to me, I belong to you

Suldaanka and other members of the cult, Lets be realistic here. The secessionist entity is a maamul goboleed in a failed state. If it got recognition today, which it won't get, it would be a failed state. Its has been now 16 years since the UDI, what’s its greatest achievement so far? There has been a civil war between the clans pushing for independence. There is an uneasy truce, lie to others but those who got evicted from Burco still haven't forgotten and they are biding their time. The people from Sool, Sanaag and Cayn are already arming themselves and soon the aggressive policy the secessionist mafia will be answered. In terms of economic development the secessionist entity is not doing much better then the rest of the country. In terms of stability it doesn't do much better then Puntland or other areas in the Midlands of Somalia. How about health, education and infrastructure? How far has the secessionist entity come since the 17 years of the UDI? How far has the secessionist entity come since the 11 years of the habro-wars? 17 years since UDI and the secessionists are a failed state, if it was recognized now, it wouldn’t do much better the rest of Somalia, actually I believe the rest of Somalia will do better, while the North west slides into a civil war. This limbo is what has saved the North West so far. So be thankful that no one is recognizing the secessionist entity.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: I want the Odayaasha Golaha like Dr, Odweyne and Baashi to give their frank take on this. The usual yap-yappers of the likes of "me" and "Nayruus" and these days "Duke and Co." please stay away. Is this an invitation

Originally posted by Suldaanka: One simple fact that these so called "Northerners for Unity" group has forgotten is that they are part of a small insignificant "pro unity" minority within the wider Somaliland populace. And let me remind them also that a minority can not shape nor change the course of the overwhelming majority who are in favour to re-instituting their lost soveriegnty. The secessionists are a minority within the wider pro-unity Somali population. The secessionists cannot change the course of the overwhelming majority of the Somali populace who want to revive their state.

Kuwani ma gaastey cabaan? I think this is xabash propaganda, but if its true, its even dumber then indhacades jihad comments.

SOL

^Well done and know you know the role of the secessionists in Ethiopia's plans.

Ethiopia and Somalia’s Secessionist Enclave of “Somaliland” By Osman Meygaag December 26, 2007 It had been said that a leopard does not change its spots. And so the impoverished country of Ethiopia, and would-be regional power, is showing its true colors in terms of attempts to exploit in the worse possible way of Somalia's ongoing political problems. It is an open secret that this country (Ethiopia) has been meddling in the internal affairs of Somalia—its neighbor to the east—long before it's widely publicized invasion of the country in December, 2006. The Zenawi Government's rationale for the invasion was rapped in the mantle of a state assisting its neighbor—nothing more than a desire on the part of Ethiopia to shore up Somalia's embattled Transitional Federal Government's (TFG) efforts to take Mogadishu from the Union of Islamic Courts movement that had controlled the city since June of that year. The fact that the UIC vowed to "liberate" the whole country was given as an incontrovertible proof that the Islamist movement emanating from Mogadishu represented a danger not only for Somalia but the entire Horn of Africa region and beyond. Many Somalis brought into this argument in part because they supported the TFG, warts and all, but also because the type of governance practiced by the UIC movement during its short tenure was fraught with heavy-handedness, uneven application of justice, and the presence of criminal and pseudo-religious warlords among its leadership. This was not reassuring to great many Somalis, especially when law and order was to be the Islamic movement's strong suit. As it turns out this was far from being the whole story. Ethiopia’s military intervention proved to be much more expansive and beyond a mere support for the TFG. Their continued presence on Somali soil and expansion into relatively peaceful areas threatens Somalia's national unity and territorial integrity to the core. Furthermore, Ethiopia has all but made public its plans to dismember Somalia. Despite many denials, there is emerging evidence pointing to Ethiopia having made decision to "recognize" “Somaliland”, the secessionist enclave of Northwestern Somalia as an independent nation. This is a hostile act aimed at stabbing the Somali nation at the back at its hour of susceptibility. Judged from his nefarious activities vis-à-vis the secessionists-held enclave in the Northwest, Meles Zenawi must be convinced, these days, that the price of aggression against the Somali nation is rather cheap! One does not have to look any further than Zenawi's Hilltop Palace's decision to appoint Ato Wubeshet Demmisie, an ambassador Extraordinary & Plenipotentiary, to that rebel occupied Somali territory as a head of large diplomatic mission in Hargeisa. The recent interview that Ambassador Demmisie gave to Somaliland Times in which he commented about the secessionists' naked aggression against Sool region as an internal affair of "Somaliland" highlights the duality of the Ethiopian policy towards Somalia as the Ambassador has indicated in the interview and said that “Somaliland will not ask for permission from Ethiopia to engage Las Anod (Sool’s regional capital) because it has the right to engage and capture its territorial borders”. The decision by Zenawi's regime to cozy up to the Hargeisa rebels has apparently been in the works for sometime. According to knowledgeable sources, among them the freelance Ethiopian journalist Tamarat Nega, the decision was recommended by a committee of Somali specialists that Zenawi personally commissioned for this task. Their recommendation, which Zenawi is said to have accepted in its totality, posits that Ethiopia recognize "Somaliland" as the linchpin of what they called two-state solution for Somalia. The committee offered this recommendation as panacea for Ethiopia’s historical inherent vulnerability as a landlocked country as well as the potential future threat of a strong united Somalia. The proposed solution submitted to Zenawi by the so called “Committee of Somali Specialists” was a reward to “Somaliland” politicians' willingness to slavishly carry water for Ethiopia in any number of strategic issues of importance to Ethiopia. For example, politicians have agreed to round-up and hand-over to Ethiopian security personnel, Somalis from the Somali region of Ethiopia that come into their territory. It would then be up to the Ethiopian security personnel to determine the detainees' guilt or innocence. If they are young to middle-aged, male and from the ****** tribe, they are automatically suspected of being ****** National Liberation Front (ONLF) members or sympathizers. And so more often than not tortured and imprisoned, or worse, killed. This is in addition to the well known fact that weapons and torture equipment used by the Ethiopian regime against fellow Somalis in Ethiopia’s Somali region and within Somalia particularly in the nation’s capital, Mogadishu, are unloaded from Somaliland main port of Berbera and shipped by land to Ethiopia. Having two full-fledged embassies, one in Mogadishu and the other in Hargeisa, Ethiopia has already embarked on the heinous course of virtually dividing Somalia into two. Having lost the Assab port to Eritrea and having soured relations with Djibouti ever since the management of that vital port was taken over by Dubai Ports, as a landlocked impoverished country with rapidly burgeoning population, Ethiopia has been seeking a secure conduit to the warm waters of the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Taking advantage of the prevailing grim political situation and fragmentation in Somalia, Meles and his cronies see the easy way to achieve Ethiopia’s strategic national interest is to divide and subjugate the Somali nation. While the machinations of Machiavellian Meles Zenawi would only multiply the list of Ethiopia’s budding woos, it will certainly prompt Somalis to join forces and regenerate their battered nationhood. Osman Meygaag E-Mail:omeygaag@yahoo.com http://www.wardheernews.com/articles_07/December/25_Ethiopia_&_Somaliland_Meygaag.html

Transcript: US Department Daily Press Briefing There's no change in our policy recognition of SL.. Washington January 18, 2008 We are not on the verge of recognizing Somaliland.We have interest in fighting terrorism in Somalia as well as in the Horn of Africa. Part of trying to bring about some greater stability in Somalia writ large is -- involves working with the political parties, TRANSCRIPT: Kenya: Development Coordination Group Statement Review of Current Aid Program Somalia: No Change in U.S. Policy in Recognizing Somaliland U.S. Contact with Officials from Somaliland ________________ MR. MCCORMACK: Good afternoon. I don’t have anything to start off with. We can get right into your questions, whoever wants to be the leadoff hitter. I say that because it’s 30 days tillpitchers and catchers report. QUESTION: Unfinished business first. Were you able to find out if the United Sates did sign on to some kind of a statement about Kenya and -- MR. MCCORMACK: After multiple phone calls on the issue to the Africa Bureau, I was able to determine the following. Yes, Ambassador Ranneberger did sign on to a joint statement issued in Nairobi by the Development Coordination Group, DCG. The DCG serves as a mechanism for likeminded international donors to coordinate on assistance programs and policy issues in Kenya. According to the DCG statement, it is crucial that the underlying cause of the conflict and division are addressed and that all parties remain committed to a peaceful resolution. The U.S. concurs with this provision. And in terms of – there was a – some citation in a news article this morning that we’re on the verge of cutting off aid. That’s just not true. I had some conversations about sort of the rough outlines of our current fiscal year aid program for Kenya. It’s roughly 700 million. It’s about 723 or so million dollars. Now roughly, these are -- QUESTION: I’m sorry, that’s ’08? MR. MCCORMACK: The current fiscal year, yeah. Roughly -- and these are all rough numbers, roughly 500 million-plus of that is for PEPFAR and related programs, so AIDS treatment and prevention, so the PEPFAR programs. Then – and I don’t have a specific figure on this next tranche, the other substantial tranche of money that we give is humanitarian assistance, food aid, that sort of thing, programs to help fight malaria, et cetera. There are remaining programs having to do with, you know, peace and security, fighting terrorism, good governance, capacity-building, for example, training for the police and that sort of thing. Those comprise a very small portion of the assistance. So, you know, although there has not – there have not yet been any internal discussions that I am aware of talking about what effect, if any, this statement will have on our existing aid programs, I have a hard time believing that anybody would cut off any of the – in any way diminish the humanitarian aid program. So I think it’s pretty safe to say anything dealing with trying to improve the humanitarian situation in Kenya, including the AIDS funding, is just off the table. That’s not going to happen. So you know, if there is any discussion about some of our assistance programs in Kenya, it hasn’t begun yet and I think the total universe of programs that you’re looking at is a pretty small one right now. QUESTION: But does the statement that the ambassadors signed onto say that these country -- that people who have signed it are going to be reviewing their assistance? MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah, it does. And I would expect, just as I have described, they probably will, internally to the U.S. Government, have a review of the assistance and take a look at it. What I’m trying to communicate is -- a couple things. One, that hasn’t begun yet. Two, I’ll take a flyer here and go out on my own and say that I would bet that none of the humanitarian assistance is going to be on the table in that review. I just can’t imagine that that would be the case. And so what you’re really left with is looking at a pretty small proportion -- pretty small portion of the overall aid program to Kenya that would be looked at. But that review has not yet begun. QUESTION: Okay. Well, is it possible to find out what the non-humanitarian -- MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah, we can try to break it down for you. QUESTION: Please. MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah, it took some -- QUESTION: IMET and whatever -- MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah, it took some doing to get what I’ve given you, so -- QUESTION: I’m sure it did. MR. MCCORMACK: (Laughter.) So we’ll see what we can get for you. QUESTION: Essentially, this statement appears to have been signed a couple days ago, right? MR. MCCORMACK: Right, yeah. Well, sometimes – you know, sometimes it takes a while for the headquarters to catch up with the field, so that may be what’s happening here. QUESTION: Sean, Assistant Secretary Frazer met earlier this week with the gentleman who is the president of the -- I guess it's a self-declared independent part of Somalia, Somaliland. MR. MCCORMACK: Right. QUESTION: I was wondering whether this conveys any move by the United States toward recognizing that entity. Reportedly there are some in the U.S. Government who think maybe we should start over and recognize Somaliland. MR. MCCORMACK: There's no change in our policy position vis-à-vis recognition of Somaliland. We are not on the verge of recognizing Somaliland. There's a process underway that the AU is engaged in and we are going to be watching very closely that situation, but there's no change in our policy. QUESTION: Well, but even if there's no kind of official policy to recognize Somaliland, do you see more contacts with Somaliland, maybe not as you know, official bilateral between two nations but more contacts could help the overall situation in Somalia? MR. MCCORMACK: Look, we think it's important to have as many political contacts as we can with responsible individuals in Somalia who have an interest in building up the democratic structures and institutions of Somalia and trying to take it from where it is to a much more hopeful future. Certainly, Jendayi's meetings just last week fall solidly in that category and it's a policy that we are going to continue to pursue. We have interest in fighting terrorism in Somalia as well as in the Horn of Africa. Part of trying to bring about some greater stability in Somalia writ large is -- involves working with the political parties, encouraging the political parties -- political leaders in Somalia to come together. QUESTION: Do you think that the leaders of Somaliland should play a bigger role and a larger -- MR. MCCORMACK: I think anybody who has an interest in a more peaceful democratic Somalia has a role to play in this process. Yeah. QUESTION: On that, can you just check to see when the last time Jendayi or someone at a senior level met with Somaliland -- with either the President or other officials from Somaliland? MR. MCCORMACK: Prior to last week? QUESTION: Yeah. Because I know that AID is active up there -- MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah. QUESTION: -- and that there had been meetings before -- between U.S. officials and Somaliland officials. MR. MCCORMACK: Right. QUESTION: But I was wondering what the last time that there -- MR. MCCORMACK: Okay, we'll check for you. QUESTION: -- had been one with the Assistant Secretary. MR. MCCORMACK: Check for you. QUESTION: This is last week while she was in Kenya? When was this meeting? MR. MCCORMACK: I'm trying to remember exactly when it was. It might have been earlier this week or last week. Let me check for you. QUESTION: Okay. MR. MCCORMACK: I'm losing track of the days. Yeah, one more back here. Yeah. QUESTION: Thank you. Source: US Dept. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/jan/99443.htm

qof ayaa dhintay tira kalana dhaawac ayaa soo gaadhay ka dib rabshado ka bilawday Laascaanood Laascaanood January 17, 2008 Dhawaqa rasaasta ayaa laga maqlayaa gudaha magaalada Laascaanood taasoo ay maleeshiyaadka amar qaata Riyaale ay ku ridayaan shacab weynaha Magaalada Laascaanood ee ka mudaaharadasan kala go'a Somalia . Mudaaaharad rabshada wata oo ka soconaya badhtamaha magalad Laascaanood ayaa ilaa hatan waxaa ay wax yeelo ka soo gadhay seddex qof oo rayid ah iyadoo mid ka mid ahi uu u dhintay dhawaac soo gaadhay halka seddex kale oo ay laba dumar tahay uu dhaawacoodi halis yahay. Dad weynaha Magaalada oo si nabada gly ah u banaan baxayay kana soo horjeed kala go'a somalia ayaa waxa rasaas ku soo weeraray Maleeshiyaadka Hargeysa ka amar qaata ee ku sugan gudaha Magaalada Laascaanood . Guud ahaan waxa xidhan suuqa weyn ee magalaad Laascaanood iyadoo mudaaharadkan ay shacabka SSC jawaab uga dhagayaan bananbaxyo ka dhacaya magaalooyinka Hargeysa iyo Burco . sida uu soo xaqiijiyay wariyaha Shabakada Xargaga Online ee Laascanood waxaa la arkayay maleeshiya ka amar qadata Riyale oo lad dhacaya hooyo ku qaylineysay Somalia ha noolaato. hase ahaate hooyadaas oo waayeel ahayd ayaa waxa ay ka jabtay gcan ka dib markii uu lad turaantura ah uu ku dhuftay mid ka mid ah maleeshiyadii Hargeysa ka soo duushay. Rabshadaha ayaa wali ka soconaya magaald Laascaanood wxn sitagy isu socodka gadiidka magaalad mryy dhwaq rasastana waa lag maqlayaa wli gudaha magaalada .

The Cade Muuse Admin is a disaster for the region.

Mudaaharad Baladhan oo ka dhan ah Mamaulka Hargeysa oo ka soconaya Laascaanood Laascaanood January 17, 2008 Dhawaqa rasaasta ayaa laga maqlayaa gudaha magaalada Laascaanood taasoo ay maleeshiyaadka amar qaata Riyaale ay ku ridayaan shacab weynaha Magaalada Laascaanood ee ka mudaaharadasan kala go'a Somalia . Guud ahaan waxa xidhan suuqa weyn ee magalaad Laascaanood iyadoo mudaaharadkan ay shacabka SSC jawaab uga dhagayaan bananbaxyo ka dhacaya magaalooyinka Hargeysa iyo Burco . sida uu soo xaqiijiyay wariyaha Shabakada Xargaga Online ee Laascanood waxaa ilaa hatan wax yeelo ka soo gaadhay Mudaaharadkaan Islaan waayeel ah taasoo ay qori baadkiis la dheceen maleeshiyad Riyaale oo iyagu miciin biday in ay ugaadhsadaan Dumarka. Iyadoo u wlai mudaaharaadku soconayo ayaa waxaan kol dhaw idiin soo gudbin doonaa muuqaalka iyo wixii ka soo kordha . Fahmo jaamac LaasCaanood,Somalia Fahmoj@live.com

Kenya opposition chased by police Kenyan opposition leaders attempting to launch a rally in the capital Nairobi have been chased from the city centre by police firing tear gas. The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) called three days of protests against December elections it says were rigged. But the countrywide rallies have been banned by police. At least two people were killed in western Kenya as police clashed with activists on Wednesday. More than 600 have died in unrest since the election. President Mwai Kibaki was declared the winner of the vote - but the results were rejected by the opposition and called into question by international observers. The violence has driven about a quarter of a million of people from their homes and shaken relations between the country's dominant ethnic groups. ODM leader Raila Odinga was among a group of party leaders and activists who attempted to make their way to the politically symbolic Uhuru (Freedom) Park on Wednesday, where they planned to hold a rally. The BBC's Caroline Karobia says police fired tear gas to stop their approach. The police are well prepared to counter any groups attempting to disrupt peace Eric Kiraithe Police spokesman Mr Odinga was in a car, surrounded outside by several high-ranking ODM leaders and young supporters. As the canisters landed, they all fled and were pursued by police down side streets, she says. As the tension heightened at the entrance to Uhuru Park, anti-riot police, some riding on horses, charged at journalists and lobbed tear gas canisters to disperse them. Many shopkeepers in the capital boarded up their properties to try to prevent looting, and business was at a standstill. But correspondents say rain in Nairobi has stopped many people taking to the streets. However, residents in the city's Kibera slum have told the BBC that three people were being treated for gunshot wounds. But police denied firing at crowds in the area. Mr Odinga said: "The massive deployment of security forces will not intimidate the people of Kenya from demanding their right, it is an indication that the government is terrified of its own people." Running battles The BBC's Karen Allen in the western town of Kisumu, home to ODM presidential challenger Mr Odinga, says some 300 people were trying to march into the town centre when police opened fire. Our correspondent says two bodies were carried away from the scene of the protest. In the port city of Mombasa, there have also been running battles between protesters and police and several people have been injured. A BBC correspondent there said opposition activists wearing white ribbons and carrying placards staged sit-ins at the main roads leading into the city. In the western opposition stronghold of Eldoret, which witnessed the burning of a church in post-poll violence, protesters also erected roadblocks in the outskirts of town. As the protests began, Mr Odinga said through "peaceful people power" and international mediation, his party would ensure that the political stalemate in the country was resolved. Attempts at outside mediation between Mr Odinga and President Mwai Kibaki have failed with the latest, a bid by Kofi Annan, postponed when the former United Nations chief fell ill. At Tuesday's inauguration of the new parliament, Kenya's two bitter rivals studiously ignored each other, correspondents say. Parliament's new speaker, the ODM's Kenneth Marende, told the BBC that the ODM had the constitutional right to protest against Mr Kibaki's re-election. He said the opposition's dominance of parliament would make it difficult for President Kibaki's PNU party to impose itself, and that it might be forced into forming a coalition.

^These are not Puntland sources but SSC sources. These are the News portals used by the local people.

Originally posted by me: hadda ka hor waxaa dhacday in ay tacshiirada ku dileen ........iyo Waliba Ninkale Oo Waalnaa Oo calanka Somaliya iska Wadanjiray. Che is ilaali.

Malayshiyada SNMta Oo DIlay Nin Gasoo Jeeda Deeganada SSC Ciidamada Malayshiyada Beesha Dirta Waqooyi oo tacshiirad ku dilay nin ka mid ahaa rakaab saarnaa gaadhi marayay Buundada booda oo magaalada ka xigta dhinaca bari. ciidamada somaliland ee jooga kaantaroolka bari ee magalada laascaanod ayaa habeenimadii xaly ahayd wax rasaaseeyeen gaadhi dad shacab ahi saarnaayeen oo marayaya wadada xili habeenimo ah halkas oo uu kunaf waayay nin kamid ah rakaabkii gaadhigaas saarnaa ninkan maydkiisa ayaa ilaa hada yaala isbitaalka dhexe ee magaalada lascanood iyadoo lagu tilmaamay inuu ka soo jeedo deeganada SSC maaha markii koowaad ee ciidamada maamulka somaliland ee ka yimi waqooyi galbeed somaliya ay rasaaseeyaan gaadiidka iskakala goosha deegaanada SSC . hadda ka hor waxaa dhacday in ay tacshiirada ku dileen haweenay waalneed oo caan ka ahayd magaalada iyo Waliba Ninkale Oo Waalnaa Oo calanka Somaliya iska Wadanjiray. Wxii Kasoo Gordha wararkaas kala Soco Boocame Online News warbaahinta Qarniga Cusub!!! Boocame@hotmail.com