This is what is essentially known as that of a classical double-game of diplomacy – i.e., say one thing for public consumption for some, do something else entirely, as a demonstration of your considered bottom-line political position, for others, as well, whilst you are at it. Wishful thinking? another question....did it have to take you 3 weeks to come up with this?

A country is the territory occupied by a nation, so according to my definition of country the secessionist entity is not a country. I am willing to give you the opportunity to call the secessionist entity a state, until my next reply. ps. I believe the Great Country that Nephys is talking about is the Somali Democratic Republic a.k.a. Somalia.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: quote:Originally posted by Nephthys: [qb] So she arrives. Great! I honestly hope that Ms. Frazer realizes that this great country is far stronger together than it is apart. What exactly do you mean? :confused: Where is the great country that you are refering to? And if you don't mind Do you seriously expect a reply to that?

So Naxar should there be a change in Puntland leadership? if the leaders are to blame for the LA fiasco? if so who do you have in mind? what are the solutions?

Who else?

^Cade Muuse?

Originally posted by Isseh: My suggestion of going beyond Kismaayo is to simply safe face for some folks in here, who only seem to be delve into the belly of drivel, a tendency that does not do justice to the established characters. But if you insist on the continuation of discussing the Kismaayo issue, then, I say, by all means do please . Too late hombre.

No I want a lasting peace on our (somali) terms. A peace that allows Somalia to develop and prosper. I don't want a shaky peace, onpopular governments and social injustice. If we need more war now to achieve that goal, then so be it. 1 civil war is enough, I don't want another civil war and instability in 30 years time.

What do you want? peace? for how long? 5 years? 10?25? because thats what will happen in Somalia unless there is a clear victor. Someone has to win and change the country before it changes him/her. Reconciliations will not solve anything. Reconciliation will only buy you time. Sidii laf si xun loo kabay oo kale.

All personal takes on the story aside I think sheekadu waxay maraysaa maxaa laysku raacaa, maxaaan isku haysanaa sheekadani wey dhaaftay. This ego thingy naga daaya, ma kala badinaysaan, wuxu waa hadal. Is weydiiya un waxaad isku raaci kartaan, ka bacdi aan ka hadalno waxa aad isku haysataaan and all that ironing. There is time for kaftan and fadhi ku dirir, but this is getting of control. Lets not waste this topic with personal vendettas. Kuwa aan ka hadlaayo wey is jaqaanaan. Kibirka waa lagu kufaa saaxiibayaal.

What is interesting is that a countries internet can go go off teh air. I thouyght that the internet could not be shut down.

Cable damage disrupts Egypt, Gulf telecoms and Internet Damage to a submarine cable in the Mediterranean caused disruption to Internet services in Egypt and Kuwait and to telephone services in the United Arab Emirates on Wednesday, officials said. "A communication cable in the Mediterranean Sea was cut, which led to partial disruptions to Internet and communication services in Egypt," Egyptian Minister of Communication and Information Technology Tareq Kamel said. The minister, who did not elaborate, said an emergency team had been formed to try to find alternative communication channels, with a ministry statement saying it could take several days for services to return to normal. In Kuwait, the communications ministry said two cables in the Mediterranean off Alexandria had been cut, affecting traffic around the region, and causing slower than normal service in the Gulf emirate. Spokesman Ahmed Ramadan said the incident was the result of "weather conditions and maritime traffic" and that it would take 12 to 15 days to repair the cables. He added that Kuwait was seeking "alternative solutions" and hoped to return to normal Internet service in three to five days. Elsewhere in the Gulf, Emirati providers Etisalat and Du said international telephone services were affected and that they were working to restore services as quickly as possible, the United Arab Emirates' WAM news agency reported.

Damaged cables disrupt Internet in Middle East IDG News Service 1/30/08 Nancy Gohring, IDG News Service, Seattle Bureau Two underwater cables in the Mediterranean Sea were damaged on Wednesday morning, dragging Internet connections throughout the Middle East and in parts of Asia to a crawl. The cables, one operated by Flag Telecom and the other by a consortium of 15 telecommunications operators, account for 75 percent of the network capacity between Europe and the Middle East, according to Stephan Beckert, an analyst with TeleGeography Research. A third cable was undamaged, but it is older and has far less capacity than the others, he said. Operators believe the damage was caused by ship anchors during a heavy storm at sea, Beckert said. Wire services reported that ships heading for Egypt's northern coast were diverted due to the storms, and their anchors may have severed the cables several miles from shore. AT&T confirmed that its service to some areas of the Middle East was affected, but said it was now re-routing traffic. Etisalat, the telecommunications provider in the United Arab Emirates, reported that both Internet traffic and international voice calls were affected by the incident. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India and all of the Gulf states were affected, Beckert said. As much as 70 percent of Egypt’s Internet network was down, and over half of India's bandwidth was cut due to the disruption, according to a report from Reuters that cited local officials. Most of the major operators have backup plans in place for this type of incident, Beckert said. In this case, they'll have to route traffic from the Middle East to Asia, across the Pacific Ocean, through the U.S. and then across the Atlantic Ocean to Europe, he said. That will result in latency problems that will likely lead to sluggish connections until the cables are repaired, he said. The operators in the Middle East told him that they should be able to repair the damages in one to two weeks. The accident should affect mainly Internet traffic. Voice calls travel over the same cables, but operators will give priority to the voice calls, which take up relatively little capacity but produce more revenue than data traffic. Beckert estimates that 1 percent or less of traffic carried on the cables is voice. Nancy Gohring is Seattle correspondent for the IDG News Service.

Egypt has only 40 pct Internet after cable fault Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:35am EST CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt had only about 40 percent of its Internet capacity available on Thursday because of a disruption to an undersea cable that has also affected the Gulf region and south Asia. The cable connection broke off Egypt's northern coast on Wednesday, slowing or stopping Internet access for users across large parts of Asia, and forcing service providers to try to reroute traffic via other cables or satellites. "The service will come up to 40 percent this morning. And by tomorrow up to 70 percent," said Mariam Fayez, a spokeswoman for the Egyptian telecommunications ministry. "We are seeking alternative solutions such as satellite and alternative cable." In Cairo, some residents reported that their Internet connections were working at slow speed, while others still had no workable access to the Web. Egypt had said on Wednesday it would take several days for services to return to normal. The Egyptian ministry said it did not know how the connection had been cut, or if weather was a factor. Storms had forced Egypt to temporarily close the northern mouth of the Suez Canal on Tuesday, making ships wait in the Mediterranean. The digital blackout disrupted Egyptian financial market operations on Wednesday. Gulf Arab countries and India also reported significant disruptions to Internet connectivity. (Writing by Cynthia Johnston; Editing by Kevin Liffey)

Same old boring stuff, allot of folks screaming but ain't saying shid. I think in 10 years time you will still be here saying hebel said this/hebel said that/hebel pretent to be this but is that. This cyper jihaad BS needs to stop, if you were serious you wouldnt run around screaming on this forum. So chill. Ethiopia ayee maalin walba ka hadlayaan Soomaalida kalena nolol xitaa uma ogola. Dantaada ka fakar, dantaadana ka shaqee. Jidbadana nagala fogow. Maskaxdaada isticmaal oo na soo hordhig fikradahaaga wax ha lagula eegee. Hadii aad muran iyo aflagaado un rabtidna, sheego un waa lagula qasaaye. Soomaaliya eray un bey kuu tahay sxb marka somalinimo maxaad ka ogtahay?

^kanaaba ka daray! read aa?

Good news, SH. Cali Suufi is a Historic masjid. Too bad Hodan is not the Hodan I remmember. Any folks from casa balbalaare area?

Dauud did the right thing by not posting that pic. Badacase in ay soo saarayso waan iska garanayay ps. I have been informed by SOL nomads that she is a SOL member.

MMA got my vote. He has been doing a good job so far. You know what, lets hold an election with one of those polls.

Economy Stronger Than Others in Africa, UN-Backed Meeting Says UN News Service (New York) NEWS 29 January 2008 Posted to the web 29 January 2008 Despite 17 years of crisis in Somalia, the economy there is stronger than that of many countries in Africa in terms of gross domestic product and imports and exports, participants at a United Nations-backed meeting held in Dubai said today. In a final declaration adopted at the end of the meeting organized by the UN Political Office for Somalia (UNPOS), business people from Africa and the Middle East, personalities from Europe and the United States and members of the Somali business community acknowledged economic stagnation in the country, which has not had a functioning government since the fall of Siad Barre's regime in 1991 and where fighting has intensified in recent months. But they said Somalia's economy could be boosted through livestock and livestock products, agriculture, money transfer, telecommunications, infrastructure, oil and gas, mining, transport and even tourism, according to a news release from UNPOS. The non-Somali participants "expressed their readiness to consider ways and means to encourage the Somalis to follow a 'critical path' that will lead to the stability necessary for political, economic and social development," the Office said. The meeting requested UNPOS to impress upon the parties in Somalia to put the interests of the country before other interests, and work towards the return of peace and security.

lol@xiin

^She looks Dominican doesn't she?

Listen folks, I am all for Somalia and hope that the real Somali army defeat these xabash. No need to claim victory when there are none. But when you see a tactical retreat, call it a tactical retreat. The Ethio's do not want to be pinned down; you must remember these woyane's started of as rebels fighting a conventional army. So they know how to deal in situations like this. Remmember the principles of guerrilla warfare. The enemy advances, we retreat. The enemy camps, we harass. The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue. So in my opinion its the Ethio's that are harassing....not the real Somali army. It should be teh other way around.

Cawartay indeed. where is Che?....isagaa baryahan wax kale wadaane. I also agree with her message. SL is an independant region within Somalia (I can live with this bit for now) She hopes that, by generating greater interest in the shared cultural heritage of the Somali people she can foster reconciliation and better relations

Opposition Lawmaker Killed in Kenya By KATHARINE HOURELD The Associated Press Tuesday, January 29, 2008; 3:25 AM KISUMU, Kenya -- Gunmen killed an opposition lawmaker in Nairobi early Tuesday, an attack likely to stoke the ethnic fighting that has gripped Kenya since last month's disputed presidential election. As with the gangs that have killed rivals and torched homes in western Kenya, groups of armed youths began gathering after the shooting in the capital's Mathare and Kibera slums. Since the Dec. 27 election, the death toll has soared over 800. Two gunmen shot opposition lawmaker Mugabe Were as he drove to his house in suburban Nairobi, police said, adding they did not yet know if the political turmoil had motivated the slaying. "We are treating it as a murder but we are not ruling out anything including political motives," Kenya police spokesman Eric Kiraithe said. "We are urging everyone to remain calm." But a resident of Kibera, Teddy Njoroge, said houses were being set ablaze near a railway that generally divides members of President Mwai Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe from inhabitants of opposition leader Raila Odinga's Luo ethnic group. Flames and smoke rose from one area of Kibera. "They have decided to revenge this MP," Njoroge said of the member of parliament. Were was among a slew of opposition members who won seats in the December legislative vote, held at the same time as the presidential election. The killing came a day after thousands of machete-wielding youths hunted down Kikuyus in western Kenya's Rift Valley, burning homes and buses, clashing with police, and blocking roads with blazing tires. Witnesses described seeing two people pulled from cars and stoned to death, while another was burned alive in a minibus. "The road is covered in blood. It's chaos. Luos are hunting Kikuyus for revenge," said Baraka Karama, a journalist for independent Kenya Television in Kisumu. The Rift Valley is home to the Kalenjin and Masai ethnic groups. British colonizers seized large tracts of land to cultivate fertile farms there. After independence in 1963, President Jomo Kenyatta flooded reclaimed farmlands with his Kikuyu people, creating deep-seated resentment that exists to this day. Kikuyus also are resented for their domination of politics and the economy, a success cemented by endemic corruption and a patronage system where politicians favor their own ethnic group. More than half the 255,000 people driven from their homes this month have been Kikuyus displaced in the fertile Rift Valley, an area famous for its farmland and wildlife frequented by tourists. The bloodshed has transformed this once-stable African country, pitting longtime neighbors against one another and turning tourist towns into no-go zones. Kibaki and Odinga blame each other for the violence, trading accusations of "ethnic cleansing." Human rights groups and officials charge it has become organized. "What is so alarming about the last few days is ... there's evidently hidden hands organizing it now," Britain's visiting minister for Africa, Mark Malloch-Brown, told reporters Monday. He spoke after meetings with Odinga, Kibaki and their mediator, former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. Annan announced in a statement released Tuesday that the "dialogue process" to help resolve the deadly dispute will start Monday. Kibaki and Odinga had been asked to name three negotiators each to participate in the talks. They are under international pressure to form a power-sharing government. In the past, Kibaki has said he is open to direct talks with Odinga but that his position as president is not negotiable. Odinga says Kibaki must step down and only new elections will bring peace. On Monday, columns of smoke rose from burning homes in Kisumu, according to journalists who flew into the town. "We wish to find one, a Kikuyu. ... We will butcher them like a cow," said David Babgy, 24, who was among 50 young men stopping buses at a roadblock of burned cars and uprooted lamp posts. But the majority of the deaths reported there Monday were people shot by police whom human rights groups accuse of using excessive force. In Nakuru, provincial capital of the Rift Valley, 64 bodies believed to be those of Kikuyus were counted Monday at the morgue, said a worker who asked that his name not be used because he was not authorized to speak to the media. At least 22 people were killed in Naivasha over the weekend, said district commissioner Katee Mwanza. Nineteen of them were Luos whom a gang of Kikuyus chased through a slum and trapped in a shanty that they set on fire, said police commander Grace Kakai. As youths set buses ablaze at Kisumu bus station Monday, police used tear gas, then opened fire. A morgue attendant said one man whose body was brought in had been shot in the back of the head. A school janitor also was killed by a stray bullet fired by a police officer, said Charles Odhiambo, a teacher at Lion's High School. Fred Madanji, a gas station attendant, said he saw two other "protesters" shot in the back and killed as they ran from police. In villages around Eldoret, another western town, gangs of young Kalenjin killed four Kikuyus with machetes and stoned to death two others they had pulled from cars, according to witnesses. A military helicopter tried to land at the village of Cheptiret but was prevented by youths who set grasslands ablaze. Naivasha, Kenya's flower-exporting capital on a freshwater lake inhabited by pink flamingoes, became a war zone Monday where some 2,000 people from rival ethnic groups faced off, taunting each other with machetes and clubs inset with nails. Each time they approached each other, a handful of police holding a line between them fired live bullets into the air. They retreated, only to regroup. "We want peace, but we (also) want to fight them," said Peter Mwangi, 20. "We don't want Luos here," he said. "This is Kikuyu land!" they cried, calling for revenge. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Kenya has "gone from bad to worse, in terms of the violence." European Union foreign ministers issued a statement indicating development aid could be pulled if Odinga and Kibaki don't agree to a power-sharing pact. But only about 6 percent of Kenya's budget comes form foreign aid, and the government has said it will not be blackmailed. The United States expects to provide Kenya with more than $540 million in assistance this year, but the vast majority of that is for humanitarian programs with the largest chunk, $481 million, going for HIV/AIDS projects. Less than 2 percent of the total, which is allocated for counterterrorism and military training, would be considered for cuts should Washington decide to review its assistance, according to the State Department. "I think it's pretty safe to say anything dealing with trying to improve the humanitarian situation in Kenya, including the AIDS funding, is just off the table," McCormack said Jan. 17. "That's not going to happen." Presidential spokesman Isaiya Kabira said Kibaki was likely to attend an African Union summit that starts Thursday in Addis Ababa, in keeping with steps he has taken _ such as filling key Cabinet posts _ that underscore his position he is the legitimately elected leader. Odinga's party had argued that the pan-African organization should not welcome Kibaki. source