Oodweyne I must disappoint you, this is not about the SSC & Somaliland issue. For the odds between SSC & Somaliland are not as you would like to believe like those between the Athenians and Melos.

Kan yaree Xabash ee barnaamijka soo gudbinayaa AfSoomaaliga maa la baro. Taas kabibna maa sida wax loo akhriyo la baro. Mise AfSoomaaliland ayuu ku hadlayaa?

Originally posted by Meiji: Ethiopian interests in Somalia will be dismantled systematically. The embassy in Mogadishu and consulate offices in Hargaisa and Garowe will all fall when Somalia is re-united and Ethiopian stooges are defeated in every corner of Somalia. Insha allah it is a matter of time. Galmudug, Ximan & Xeeb, Hiiraanland, Banaadirland and SSCland have all applied for Ethiopian consulates. So I wonder who will dismantle the Xabash presence in Somalia.

lol@tuudleloo. I am voting for that a new thread is started, that is run by someone neutral. Norf is a well-known secessionist, with a long history and as you can all see, he is biased. I have no confidence in these the talks unless drastic changes are made.

1. I am afraid that it will take more smiley's to hide your inability. 2. As I have suspected, this is nothing but a secessionist get together. 3. Even under the virtual tree the secessionists have no intention of peace. 4. This thread was a secessionist ploy from the get go and it has failed.

I am unaware of any splits. Perhaps you can enlighten me on that issue and in the meantime, could you also tell me how your progressing with the conditions from my earlier post?

Norf, Your question is irrelevant. Because first few conditions have to be met, before anyone will sit under any tree. The first two conditions are: 1. The secessionist aggressors must leave the SSC region, and withdraw to their clan enclave. 2. The secessionists must drop their claims to all the territories of the Somali Republic. Without these two conditions, and some others that will follow in due course, there is no reason why a unionist Somali should even entertain any talks with the secessionists.

Originally posted by Norfsky: The referendum would be held in SL only and not in the rest of Somalia. If this is not support for the secessionists I don't know what is. As you can all see, this thread is intended to give another platform to the secessionists. Don't be fooled, this is not a thread about Somalia. The so called host of this thread is already tilting the stage for the secessionists, by giving away the house, while pretending to be 'dhexdhexaad'.

Secessionist thread, opened by a well-known secessionist. Nothing of interest here.

Garoowe:(Allpuntland)-Dawlada Puntland ee soomaaliyeed ayaa sheegtay inay ciidamo amniga sugaya ay udirtay gobolka Cayn ee Puntland si ay uga qeybqaataan joojinta xiisado halkaas dhawaan ka dhacya,waxayna xukuumadu sheegtay in ciidankani aysan wax dagaal ah ka qeybqaadan doonin balse ay xasiloonidii halkaas soo celin doonaan. Wasiiru-dawlaha Amaanka ee madaxtooyada Puntland ayaa sheegey in Ciidankaasi ay ku bexeen halka ay colaadu ka dhacday,waxaana uu intaas ku daray in lakala dhexdhigi doono dhinacyadii halkaas ku dagaalamay,isla markaasna ay iyagu la wareegi doonaan amaanka degmooyinka Buuhoodle & Widhwidh oo uu sheegey inay imika kacsanaani ka jirto. "Halkaas dhibaato ayaa ka dhacday dhawaan,xukuuamda Puntand waa ay ka xuntahay oo labada dhinac ee dagaalamayba fariin amaanka in la'adkeeyo ah bay u dirtay,hadase amaanku waa caadi,waxaanuna dirnay ciidan intooda badani ay Buuhoodle tagayaan,waxayna ka qeybqaadan doonaan xoojinta amanka & in aysan dhibaato danbe dhicin"Ayuu yiri Wasiiru-dawlaha amaanka ee Madaxtooyad Puntland. Hadalka Wasiirkan oo aanan si rasmi ah loo shaacin ayaa noqonaya midkii ugu horaysay oo ay xukuumadu si toos ah u shaaciso inay qorsheysay ciidan ka shaqeynaya Amaanka deegaano katirsan Gobolka Cayn isla markaasna ay ku amartay inay halkaas tagaan si ay xasiloonidii lagu yaqaanay usoo celiyaan,waxaa halkaas dhawaan garay Wasiiro & Xildhibaano kasocda dawlada Puntland. Cabdiqani Xayir Allpuntland

The secessionist in this thread (who shall remain unnamed, has outdone himself and therefore deserves a worthy reply) rightly he has recognized, the conservative roots of the ideas justifying the regional admins in our country, he has also pointed out the similarities between the Islamists of today and the Jacobins. However as usual, he is trying to justify his secessionist ideas, and is trying to give them legitimacy by placing them at the altar of British conservatism. ( There he remains true to his secessionist roots ) He also makes a crucial mistake, when he misses the point that the conservative ideas on which his secessionism is based, also provoke anti-secessionist sentiments in the neighboring regions, which also have their ancient nomadic liberties (as he put it) Furthermore, Somalia is unique and the ideas of 18 century European thinkers, will not help us in the Hawd or in Hiiraan. We need to come up with our own ideas, and try to better understand our own situation, instead of mirroring it with 18th century France or 19th century Germany. Ps. If only this secessionist could overcome his secessionist handicap and use that brain of his to help us understand ourselves as Somalis, he might be a worthy son of Somalia. Instead of a cantrabaqash peddling, clan cyber-warrior.

Baashi, I expected so much fro you, but you missed the point, todays Somali Thomas Paine would be an Islamist. The adherents of 4.5 or other clan based formula's such as the extreme regionalists in Puntland and the secessionists in the North West are just conservatives trying to save the old clannist system, by putting a new jacket on it. So todays Somali Edmund Burke would be a secessionist or a regionalist. Tribalism is conservatism. Islamism is revolutionism.

Baashi, It's an OK read, however what do Burke and Paine have to say to Somalis today? Apply it to the Somali context and then come back with it.

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi: I agree with Safa and Ibtisam, Considering the fact that you wrote Safa before Ibtisam, even though I is before the S in the alphabet, can we say that you agree with Safa more than you agree with Ibtisam?

Qasarahii ciidamada dalka Etoobiya ka soo gaadhay dagaalii xaqdarada ahaa ee ay ka rideen badhtamaha magaalada Buuhoodle ayaa waxaa la helayaa xog rasmi ah oo ku saabsan waxii dhimasho, dhaawac ka soo gaadhay dagaalkaas. Sida saraakiisha ciidamada Etoobiyaanku xaqiijiyeen waxaa goobtaa kaga dhintay 19 askari oo dhamaantood ku nafwaayey dagaalkii xaqdarada ahaa ee ay ka rideen badhtamaha magaalada Buuhoodle. Waxaa kale oo iyana la caddeeyey in ciidamadaa ka dhaawacmeen 29 askari oo dhowr iyo toban askari dhaawac xun tahay halka ilaa hadda la la'yahay 9 askari oo aan ilaa hadda la ogayn meesha ay jaan iyo cidhib dhigeen. Waxaa iyana ilaa xalay loo geynayey ciidamada Etoobiyaanka maxaabiistii firdhatay oo laga soo ururiyey degaanada Buuhoodle oo dhan. Lix askari waxaa lagu hayey magaalada dhexdeeda oo maalintii dagaalka gacanta lagu dhigay halka 3 askari lagu qabtay magaalada Xaadhadhanka. Waxaa kale oo baadiyaha agagaarka Geelkusooran iyo inta u dhaxaysa Qudhacdhalaana laga helay sagaal askari oo iyana nafla caari ah. Isku darka ciidamada laga soo ururiyey degaanadaasina waxay gaadhayaan inta hada gacanta lagu hayey ee lagu wareejiyey ciidamada Etoobiyaanka 18 askari. Waxaana ilaa hadda dowlada Etoobiyaanka ah ay qaadan waayeen dadka shicibka ah ee bad baadiyey maxaabiistii ay gacanta ku dhigeen halka ciidamadoodu la xaqiijiyey in ay hal maxbuusna dileen nin kale oo dhaawac ahna ay dhaawac tireen habeenimadii dagaalku ka dhacay magaalada Buuhoodle. Bad baadada maxaabiistaasina waxay dowlada Etoobiya u cadaysay in dadkaa shicibka ah ee magaalada Buuhoodle la kalifey ayna difaacayeen naftooda, hantidooda iyo karaamadoodaba. Arintaasina waa mida fashilisay shirqoolkii lala damacsanaa dadka Soomalida dhabka ah ee ku dhaqan gobolada Sool, Sanaag iyo Cayn. Magaalada Buuhoodlena waxay maanta noqotay horeyna u ahaan jirtay meesha qudha ee u taagan midnimada iyo sharafta ummada Soomaaliyeed meel kasta oo ay joogaan. Buhodle.net

Guidelines for engaging the secessionists on SOL 1. Open new topics only from SSC Sources or Independent Sources. 2. Do not reply to secessionist posts and threads. 3. Ignore their provocations. 4. Let them only engage with themselves. 5. Do not interact with them on this website, they do not deserve a reply. 6. There are no common grounds, the secessionists have thrown away their Somalinimo.

lol@oodweyne, ma sarcasm in aad ka hadashid ayaad u dalacday. Adiga waa in isha lagugu hayo, your going places kiddo. @Kuwan garaadada raadinaya, ma magangalyodoon baa?

Where is the source? Or has your Xabash pimp whispered it in your ear?

In laysi saxo waa laysku leeyahay.

Che It would be wise if you read what you post. The title and the news do not match. Title says: Ethiopian Military Outpost Attacked, Which implies a willful act. However, in the message it says. waxaan loo badinayaa in qaraxaasi uu ka kacay Bumbooyinka gacanta laga tuuro oo ay xidhnaayeen askarta dhimatay qaarkeed. And this means that it was an accident. So which one is it? An attack or an accident? Politically I can understand that some people might want that the Buuhoodle situation gets out of control. However, dagaal laguma dagdago.

Xaalada Guud ee Gobolka Cayn ayaa kacsan ka dib Dagaaladii sadexdii maalmood ee ugu danbeyey, Dagaaladan oo ah sadex geesood kuwaasoo u dhexeeya Ciidamada Itoobiya , Kuwa Soomaalidiidka oo isku dhinac ah iyo Xoogaag Xaq u dirirka SSC ayaa maanta la isku horfadhiyaa dhawr Aag. Magaalada Buuhoodle waxaa soo buux dhaafiyey Boqolaal Ciiidamo Xamashi ah, iyo kuwo Qabiliga ee ka soo jeeda Deegaan gaashaamo kuwaasoo is garabsanaya. Waxaana la sheegay in wada hadaladii socdey ee odyaasha iyo u dhexeeyey saraakiisha Hogaaminaysa Ciidanka Amxaaradu ay is afgaran waa ku dhamadeen, Kala boodkan ayaa yimid ka dib markii Saraakiisha Itoobiyaanku ay shuruud ku xidheen wada hadal taasoo ah horta in la keeno Qoryihii laga furtay Xamashidiid iyo dabaqoodhidii lagu diley dagaalkii Jimciihii ka dhacay Buuhoodle. Odayaasha deegaanka ayaa iyaguna ugu baaqay Ciidankaas Itoobiya in ay soo wareejiyaan Baabuurta ay ka haystaan dadka deegaanka. Isla markaana la is dhaafsado waxii la kala hayoo dhan, waxayna wax garadku sheegeen in sidoo kale ay rabaan qoryo ka maqan shacabka Buuhoodle. Waxaana la sheegay in arintaas ay ku gacan saydheen Itoobiyaanku, qaar ka mid ah Odayaasha ayaa sheegay in hadalada Xabashida laga dareemayey dad ujeedo kale wata oo ka weyn qoryaha. Taasoo lagu micneeyey in ay doonaya dagaal dhabar jebin ah oo ay kuwada Socdaan maamulka Hargaysa. Dhanka kale magaalada Widhwidh ayaa maanta waxaa ka jira xoogaa degenaasho ah, oo aan cago badan ku taagnayn. Waxaana la sheegay in maamulka SNMtu ay keeneen waxii awoodooda ah oo Tikniko ah deegaankaas ka dib markii shalay lagu jebiyey. Sidoo kale dadkii ay shalay ku xasuuuqeen deegaanka Bali harac aya qarkood dhawaacii u dhinteen. Waxaana la sheegay in dadkaas ay laayeen ka dib markii lagu xanuunjiyey dagaalkii Widhwidh. Ciidamada SSC ayaa la sheegay in ay joogaan meelo Istiratijiyad ah, Dagaalkuna markastaba waa qarxi karaa. Shacabkii magaalada ka qaxay ee maatada ahaa aya la sheegay in roob xalay ku helay banaanadii waxaana la xaqiijiyey dhimashada 3 caruur ah 2 qof oo waayeel ah oo midi Islaan ahayd. Waxii wara ha ka dheeraan. Horufadhi.com

The interesting bit was his belligerence on the Nile water issue. That is an issue that will have major repercussions within and beyond our region. Ethiopia believes that it has the geopolitical clout to pull this one off, lets see whether they have what it takes.

Are there any pictures of him? If so could you ask them to post it?

Suldaanka, Oohinta jooji ee, noo sheeg bal, maxay sheegayaan websiteska Hargeysa, Berbera iyo Burco. Warka bal aan isku darsanee, soo gudbi bal waxa ay qorayaan websiteskaas. Markaas dadka reer SOL ayaa, dooranaya warka dhabta ah.