Originally posted by Caamir: Somaliland and Puntland. These two regions which together make up at least 2/3 of Somalia have been severely affected by the south and its endless violence and quagmire. Until the south restores some measurable degree of peace and order, then we can sanction the call for a national reconciliation with fairly conceived plan and formula for power sharing system that treats these three parts as equal partners with the right influence and power to shape the future of Somalia. Originally posted by Thierry.: Every tool has a purpose Al Shabaab one was to rid the nation of Ethiopia they now have an option of joining national forces or be eradicated. Originally posted by General Duke: Theirry adeer: Nur Cade & Sharif Ahmed are your clan man up and admit that nothing has changed other than shifting of personalities. Yesterday you was raving mad about Al Shabaab, what changed? Oh is it the fact that their leaders and warriors are no longer beholden to your groups in Guriceel? Goodane, Shangool, Abu mansuur, Xasan Turki all seem to be from various clans and areas. Nur Cade, Sharif Ahmed, Ahmed Abdisalaan, AbdiShakur are all from the same sub-clan. Give it a break. And it was Al Shabaab who fought while Sharif Ahmed was rescued by the Americans and put into a hotel. These 3 quotes illustrate the realignment that started after AY was pushed into a corner. The only thing missing is our secessionist friends to come out in support of Shariif / Cade alliance. Waali baa meeshan ka socota, sababta oo ah dadkani waxa ay dhahayaan kamaba fiirsanayaan. Caamir: One third Thiery: Sharpening the knives already? Duke: Rather shabab then sharif?

I broke myself imposed rule of not reacting to what i-diots say.

Somalis held in Ethiopia capital By Elizabeth Blunt BBC News, Addis Ababa Hundreds of young Somalis have been arrested in the past few days in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa. A number were questioned and then released but it is thought at least 200 are still being held. Most of the arrests took place on Tuesday night and Wednesday in the Bole area, the part of the town where most of the Somali community live. A Somali embassy spokesman said he understood that security was being tightened before a regional summit. In some cases young men were taken from their homes while others were arrested in the streets. A spokesman for the Somali embassy in Addis Ababa said he and his colleagues were going around the police stations to find out what was going on. No explanation He said that following the initial round-up, police were now working their way through those arrested, checking their papers, fingerprinting them and then, if everything was in order, letting them go. He said that as of Friday morning he believed that around 200 Somali citizens were still being held. Asked how the embassy felt about the raids, the spokesman said he could not say they were happy but that this was the prerogative of the Ethiopian government. He understood it had security concerns in the Bole area which is close to Addis Ababa's international airport, especially in the light of the upcoming African Union summit, and he added that if there was a security threat in Bole, then the embassy itself could be the first target. Ethiopia's federal police spokesman, Commander Demsash Hailu, has so far not been able to offer any explanation for the arrests. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/africa /7800276.stm Published: 2008/12/26 14:13:24 GMT © BBC MMVIII

Hmmmm. Something doesn't add up. 5000 oo sano hadii aan jirno. Xagee bey taariikhdeenu aaday? Hadii barigii hore aan wax dhisi jirnay oo aan wax qori jirnay. Hada maxaa dhacay? Sideebey ku timid in shantii boqol oo sano ee la soo dhaafay in aan waxba qorin, aana waxba dhisan, ka sokee taariikhdeena dhow. Maxaa tirtiray taariikhdeena iyo dhaqankeena, hadii aan dhaqankan lahayn? Faraaciintu ma dad anaga naga tagay oo xagaas wax ka dhistaa? Mise anagaa ah dad ka soo barakacay mar ey boqortooyo burburtay? Xisaabtu meel ayee ka khaldantahay, bal saxa.

Hahahha Kris Kross were the days. Jeego xiir, reebok pump, LA Gear, Black Knights, starter caps, Charlotte hornets sweaters. How about this one? Khasab ayee tani ahayd.

ABC's

^Imagine Cimaamad cas, Helly Hansen jackets and timberlands. Lets add snowmobiles while we are at it.

^Why is that? because its in Ethiopian interest and not the Somali peoples?

Duke it was predictable that you would deny this. Like you denied that the Ethiopians would send troops to support AY.

If you read through the lines. 1. We are economically self sufficient (oil,minerals, farms, fishing and a gateway to Ethiopia) 2. We have a democratic system (elections etc) 3. The only thing that was binding us with Somalia was federalism and without federalism waan goosanaynaa.

Sorry Norf, I have to bounce. Please ask Emperor and General Duke for details. They prolly have a press package. What will the flag of Puntland be?

1. If everyone is seceeding from Somalia, then who is Somalia? 2. So Puntland recognizes Somaliland is on the right path?

"Cabdulahi Yusuf & Rageena dagaal cad ayaa lagu hayaa" 15 Dec 15, 2008 - 8:47:54 PM Madaxweynaha DGPL oo la hadlayey dhalinyarada gobolka Nugaal ayaa soo dhoweeyay dadaalka ay wadaan ee ku aadan in wax rabshado ah ka dhicin Puntland, isagoo sheegay Cadde Muse in aysan dhici doonin wax xabad ah oo ka dhalata doorashada la sugayo ee Puntland. Mr.Muse ayaa sheegay in dorashada ay u dhaceyso si cadalad ah, wuxuuna sheegay in markii uu qabtay xilka Madaxweynenimo uu galay qaladaad fara badan oo uu sheegay in ay kamid tahay shidaal laga soo saaro Puntland. Madaxweynaha ayaa xusey sidoo kale inuu iska taxaluujiyey sidii gobol walba uu dhaqaalahiisa u wanaagsanaanlahaa waa soda uu hadlka u dhigaye isaga oo tibaaxey in Gobolka Nugaal dhulkiisa ay dhex ceegaagan tahay kheyraad, inkastoo uu carabka ku dhuftay is-hortaag ku yimid in shidaal laga baaro. Gen. Cadde ayaa dhinaca kale in xiligii loo diyaar garoobay baarista shidaalka dhulka Nugaal ay dib u dhigtay dagaalkii Lascaanood lagu soo qaaday. Gobolada Bari iyo Karkaar ayuu sheegay sidoo kale in dhulkiisa ay dhex ceegaagan tahay Macdan, beero iyo bad wax kasta ku jiraan, Sanaagna ay la mid tahay. "Hadaan idiin sheego Magaalada Eyl maxaa loola dagaalamayaa, Sadax furdo iyo Labo Airpor baa ka dhismi lahaa, nimankii igala hadlayeyna waxay i yiraahdeen Airporka Riyad camal baa ka dhismi doona, alaabta badeecadaha Itoobiya iyo meel walba iyadaa ayey soo mari lahayeen" ayuu yiri Gen. Cadde oo shegay in dhulka Puntland baaris laga sameeyay ay ugu horeysay 1938-dii. Madaxweynaha waxaa uu sheegay in qaladaadka uu galay ay tahay iyadoo si qaldan loo maamulay dhaqaalihii dalka iyo heshiisyadii shirkaddaha xukumaddiisa gashay, isagoo intaa raaciyay in qofkii ku guuleysta xukunka Puntland ay sugeyso wax badan. "Wadanka anoo nabad ah waan ka tegayaa anaa hubo, qof walbana waa u furan yahay, dhibaatada maanta taagana waa doorashada la sugayo, waxana ilaah ka baryayaa in si nabad ah ay ku dhacdo".ayuu yiri Cadde Muse "Xukunka Puntland ninkii ku deg dega adey kuu daran tahay waadna og tihiin sadax bil ka hor waad ogeydeen inaan isaga tago ayaan rabay" ayuu sii raaciyay Cadde Muse hadalkiisa. "Markii Dowladda Soomaaliya la soo dhisay labo arin ayaa noogu muhiim ahaa waa Federalsim iyo 4.5 iney noqoto, nin kasta oo inaga ah oo saxiixa Federaal la'aan xaaraan buu dalka iyo dadka ka galay Ilaahey baana ka goynaya, weligeedna dhici meyso inaan iska deyno Federalism waxayna noqoneysaa hadey nagu qasbtana waan ka goosaneynaa Soomaaliya, waana u sheegay oo ma ahan wax hada idiin leeyahay" ayuu yiri Cadde oo sheegay in wadan ahaan ay isku filan yihiin hadii ay danta ku kalifto in Puntland ka go'do Soomaaliya. "Dagaal caddaan ayaa nalagu hayey, Cabdullahi Yusuf iyo raggeena xaga jira naceyb gaar baa dad u qabaa, Cabdullaahi Yuusuf cid wax ula hartayna ma jirto, qolooyinka dagaalamaya mid bey nooga fiican yihiin, inaga kuweena nala dagaalama, waxaad arkeysaa dad u dhashay Nugaal oo leh shidaal lama qodayo" ayuu sii raaciyay Cadde Muuse oo tilmaamay in loo baahan yahay midnimo. Wuxuuna ugu danbeyntii sheegay Gen. Cadde Muuse in doorashada Puntland dhici doonta bilowga sanadka cusub ay si nabadgelyo leh ay ku dhici doonto hadii eebe idmo, qofkii ku guuleystana ay haboon tahay in lala shaqeeyo. Garowe Online,Garowe

JB you went to a qabiil school?

No matter what the plot is, we should at least know our role.

But AY is not important and he never has been. Look at the big picture. Xabashidu maxay Soomaali ka rabtaa? Soomaalina maxay isla rabtaa? Inta kale waa hebel iyo hebel oo is baacsanaya maanta oo dhan. Kuwa maanta is baacsanaya, magacyadooda hadii aad ku badashid kuwii 90'skii is baacsanayayey waa isla sheekadii un wouldn't you say? Mise waxbaa is bedlay?

^A/Caleykum carabtaa tidhaahda. It doesn't matter whether he comes back or he gets a sudden heart attack. The outcome is still the same.

I see the Duke and co are in full retreat now that the xabash is leaving. The anti-Duke and co groups are sharpening their knives. The Ethiopians are laughing all the way to Somali galbeed and watch the carnage from that side of the fence, and rest assured they will be back to fix the situation and support another puppet when the time is right. Another flawless victory by Ethiopia.

Another press release on the incompetence of the Indian navy. India navy defends piracy sinking The Indian navy has defended its action in sinking a ship near Somalia that maritime officials have confirmed was a hijacked Thai fishing boat. The International Maritime Bureau said the Ekawat Nava 5 had been captured by pirates earlier in the day on 18 November and the crew was tied up. One crewman was found alive after six days adrift but 14 are still missing. The Indian navy said the ship was a pirate vessel in "description and intent" and had opened fire first. India is one of several countries currently patrolling the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, amid increasing attacks by Somali pirates. Almost 40 ships have been seized this year, the biggest the Saudi oil tanker, Sirius Star, which is still being held off the Somali coast. 'Exploding ammunition' Indian navy spokesman, Commander Nirad Sinha, told AFP news agency: "The vessel was similar in description to what was mentioned in various piracy bulletins. "The Indian navy ship asked them to stop for investigation. On repeated calls, the vessel responded by saying it would blow up the Indian ship," he said. "Pirates were seen roaming on the deck with rocket-propelled grenade launchers." Commander Sinha insisted that the INS Tabar only opened fire after being fired upon, and that "exploding ammunition was also seen" on the target. Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's (IMB) piracy reporting centre in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, confirmed the vessel was the Ekawat Nava 5. "The Indian navy assumed it was a pirate vessel because they may have seen armed pirates on board the boat which had been hijacked earlier," Mr Choong told Associated Press. "We are saddened with what has happened. It's an unfortunate tragedy. We hope that this incident won't affect the anti-piracy operation by the multi-coalition navies there," he said. The owner of Ekawat Nava 5, Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, said his company had informed the IMB the boat had been hijacked and had asked for assistance. The British navy confirmed the boat had been boarded and that any action could harm the crew. The IMB sent an alert to other multi-coalition patrol vessels but Mr Choong said it was unclear whether the Indian vessel had received it as it had no direct IMB links. Mr Choong urged more cooperation in the future. Mr Wicharn said the boat had been headed from Oman to Yemen to deliver fishing equipment when it was approached by the pirates in two speedboats. The Indian navy mistook the vessel for a pirate "mother ship", he said. Mr Wicharn said he had learnt the fate of his trawler from a Cambodian crew member who had survived the bombardment and had been rescued by a passing ship after six days adrift in the Indian Ocean. The sailor was now recovering in a hospital in Yemen, he said. The survivor said all the crew were tied up except the captain and translator. Mr Wicharn said the Thai foreign ministry had summoned the Indian ambassador to issue a complaint.

Another press release on the incompetence of the Indian navy. India navy defends piracy sinking The Indian navy has defended its action in sinking a ship near Somalia that maritime officials have confirmed was a hijacked Thai fishing boat. The International Maritime Bureau said the Ekawat Nava 5 had been captured by pirates earlier in the day on 18 November and the crew was tied up. One crewman was found alive after six days adrift but 14 are still missing. The Indian navy said the ship was a pirate vessel in "description and intent" and had opened fire first. India is one of several countries currently patrolling the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, amid increasing attacks by Somali pirates. Almost 40 ships have been seized this year, the biggest the Saudi oil tanker, Sirius Star, which is still being held off the Somali coast. 'Exploding ammunition' Indian navy spokesman, Commander Nirad Sinha, told AFP news agency: "The vessel was similar in description to what was mentioned in various piracy bulletins. "The Indian navy ship asked them to stop for investigation. On repeated calls, the vessel responded by saying it would blow up the Indian ship," he said. "Pirates were seen roaming on the deck with rocket-propelled grenade launchers." Commander Sinha insisted that the INS Tabar only opened fire after being fired upon, and that "exploding ammunition was also seen" on the target. Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's (IMB) piracy reporting centre in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, confirmed the vessel was the Ekawat Nava 5. "The Indian navy assumed it was a pirate vessel because they may have seen armed pirates on board the boat which had been hijacked earlier," Mr Choong told Associated Press. "We are saddened with what has happened. It's an unfortunate tragedy. We hope that this incident won't affect the anti-piracy operation by the multi-coalition navies there," he said. The owner of Ekawat Nava 5, Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, said his company had informed the IMB the boat had been hijacked and had asked for assistance. The British navy confirmed the boat had been boarded and that any action could harm the crew. The IMB sent an alert to other multi-coalition patrol vessels but Mr Choong said it was unclear whether the Indian vessel had received it as it had no direct IMB links. Mr Choong urged more cooperation in the future. Mr Wicharn said the boat had been headed from Oman to Yemen to deliver fishing equipment when it was approached by the pirates in two speedboats. The Indian navy mistook the vessel for a pirate "mother ship", he said. Mr Wicharn said he had learnt the fate of his trawler from a Cambodian crew member who had survived the bombardment and had been rescued by a passing ship after six days adrift in the Indian Ocean. The sailor was now recovering in a hospital in Yemen, he said. The survivor said all the crew were tied up except the captain and translator. Mr Wicharn said the Thai foreign ministry had summoned the Indian ambassador to issue a complaint.

I don't even think were reading the same book. The Indians had no right to do what they did. This is a multi layered argument. 1. You have to recognize the difference between fishermen protecting their waters and pirates. 2. Somali Fishermen have the right to board foreign vessels in the Somali coast, tow those vessels and fine the ships that were engaged in illegal activities inside the Somali maritime zone. 3. In the case that there are pirates abusing the situation and attacking ships unlawfully. Whichever Navy vessel that is patrolling that area in international waters should follow international law. In the case of the ship that was sunk, I believe they were in Omani waters. What was an Indian Navy ship doing in Omani waters, sinking a Thai ship? 4. Pirates or no pirates they the Indian navy had no right to sink that ship and even if they did sink that ship they should at least saved the survivors. In this case 13 sailors are possibly drowned, 1 of them was in the sea for 6 days and was luckily rescued by ships sailing by. 5. We are accusing the pirates of breaking the law, well here we have the Indian Navy breaking the same law yet you are saying you still believe they had the right to sink that ship. I don’t know much about maritime law or any other law, but we all know the difference between right and wrong. The Indians where in the wrong.

We both know the difference between Fishermmen protecting their fishing waters and Pirates hijacking ships in the high seas and there is no need to further discuss that issue. What I was saying was that the Indian Navy acted unlawfully when they attacked a ship that didn't pose a threat to it. Do you know the story of that Brazilian guy that was shot at stockwell tube station? The police shot him because they thought he was argagaxiso. It turned out he was innocent. There were argagaxiso in london then, that looked like him, the kinda tanned types and he was wearing a jacket on a hot day. Do you see the parallels between the two stories? - Lives could have been saved it the procedures were followed. - The 'law emforcement agency' should not break the law and kill innocent people. - There are procedures in place for situations like this and when those procedures are not followed innocent people get killed. - It is the judges to decide who is innocent and not a trigger happy indian soldier. The indians broke the law, pirates or no pirates. The only thing that seperates 'criminals' from the enforcement agency is the law. If the enforcement agency breaks the law, then they are criminals.

Deputy 550 people who otherwise would have been unemployed will have jobs. Think of all the second wives and the children and qaraabo that will benefit from this. Originally posted by B_G: They might have double posts for each ministry/office. One minister will work from monday-wednesday and the other will work on thursday, saturday and sunday. lol...to undo what the other did I guess.

I see wali madaxaad dhulka kula jirtaa.