Where am I from? In case you can't see. I am a Somali Northerner from the North West region. A born and bred Hargeysawi. So this whole Somalis from Somalia does not go for me. The issue is not as straight forward as you might think and thats why I recommended that you read up on the issue. If you are bored by discussions on Somali Unity feel free to ignore them Thank you Rahima

Naxar Nugaaleed, are you ok bro? A state that does not exist? what is the TFG? The TFG is the Somali government, So the STATE EXISTS and the state has a LEGITIMATE GOVENMENT and OUR GOVERNMENT should protect our LAND.

Naxar Nugaaleed, are you ok bro? A state that does not exist? what is the TFG? The TFG is the Somali government, So the STATE EXISTS and the state has a LEGITIMATE GOVENMENT and OUR GOVERNMENT should protect our LAND.

lol@general, local sleeper cell only if guantanamo can be called a cell. General I want the Somalis to slug it out and that there is a winner. I dont want any foreign intervention helping any of the parties. So General Duke, What is your position on the Foreign troops issue and do you want Ethipian troops in our country? Do ever think critical or are you a soldier for the cause

lol@general, local sleeper cell only if guantanamo can be called a cell. General I want the Somalis to slug it out and that there is a winner. I dont want any foreign intervention helping any of the parties. So General Duke, What is your position on the Foreign troops issue and do you want Ethipian troops in our country? Do ever think critical or are you a soldier for the cause

As for Ubashane, I hope you get the opportunity to defend your weak nation. Just dont bottle it. [/QB] What@General Duke, your weak nation? Are you not Somali? is Somalia not your nation? hmmmm@General

Dear General Duke, the violations of Somali territories by the Ethiopian army continues. The TFG is the government of Somalia and has been chosen by the Somali people. I do dont agree with the TFG on many points including its 4.5 formula and its 'Federalism'. In my opinion the TFG is the legal government of Somalia. My question is what is the position of the TFG on the issue of the Ethiopian incursions into Somali territories. These reports are true. You can not keep denying this. Yes there are elements that are using the Ethiopian incursions to undermine the TFG. But the TFG is not saying anything about the incursions. Today on the BBC the ICU has spoken out and has distanced themselves from the Bin Laden treats. Somalia is for the Somalis and these issue should be solved by the Somali people. We do not need any foreign intervention. The TFG is loosing the last of its credibility especially because of this issue. IF TFG IS OUR GOVENMENT THEY SHOULD PROTECT OUR TERRITORY. IF THEY ARE TOO WEAK TO DO SO THEY SHOULD ASK THE SOMALI PEOPLE FOR HELP. IF THEY ARE UNWILLING TO SO, DO ANTHING ABOUT IT OR ARE IN COLLUSION WITH THE XABASH THEN THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. Dear Duke, if you ask me to choose between the ICU CLAN COURTS that are fighting or appear to be fighting for Somali sovereignty or a TFG that is an Ethiopian puppet regime then my choice is easily made. The issue should be about who will bring peace to Somalia not who will bring the most missery to teh Somali people. The ICU and the TFG seem to be taking the Somali people to hell.

Dear General Duke, the violations of Somali territories by the Ethiopian army continues. The TFG is the government of Somalia and has been chosen by the Somali people. I do dont agree with the TFG on many points including its 4.5 formula and its 'Federalism'. In my opinion the TFG is the legal government of Somalia. My question is what is the position of the TFG on the issue of the Ethiopian incursions into Somali territories. These reports are true. You can not keep denying this. Yes there are elements that are using the Ethiopian incursions to undermine the TFG. But the TFG is not saying anything about the incursions. Today on the BBC the ICU has spoken out and has distanced themselves from the Bin Laden treats. Somalia is for the Somalis and these issue should be solved by the Somali people. We do not need any foreign intervention. The TFG is loosing the last of its credibility especially because of this issue. IF TFG IS OUR GOVENMENT THEY SHOULD PROTECT OUR TERRITORY. IF THEY ARE TOO WEAK TO DO SO THEY SHOULD ASK THE SOMALI PEOPLE FOR HELP. IF THEY ARE UNWILLING TO SO, DO ANTHING ABOUT IT OR ARE IN COLLUSION WITH THE XABASH THEN THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. Dear Duke, if you ask me to choose between the ICU CLAN COURTS that are fighting or appear to be fighting for Somali sovereignty or a TFG that is an Ethiopian puppet regime then my choice is easily made. The issue should be about who will bring peace to Somalia not who will bring the most missery to teh Somali people. The ICU and the TFG seem to be taking the Somali people to hell.

What is the TFG's position on these violations of Somali territory by the Ethiopians? Why can't the TFG make their position clear. Are there Ethiopian troops part of a peacekeeping force? or are they working independently? Duke please answer these things for me since your the TFG ambasador to SOL

What is the TFG's position on these violations of Somali territory by the Ethiopians? Why can't the TFG make their position clear. Are there Ethiopian troops part of a peacekeeping force? or are they working independently? Duke please answer these things for me since your the TFG ambasador to SOL

To Mister President of Somalia. What would you like to have prove on? That Riyale was a member of the NSS and was the head of the NSS in Berbera. Or that he is guilty of war crimes? The first is easy to prove. Yes he was the head of the NSS in Berbera for the dictatorial regime. There are witnesses, poeple who worked with him and there are documents that prove he was a member. On the issue of him being guilty of warcrimes. I dont want to burn my fingers on that, but where there is smoke there is fire and the NSS were no boyscouts. I have copy pasted this for you maybe it sums it up. "Somalia National Security Service Shortly after Siad Barre seized power, the Soviet Committee of State Security (Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti--KGB) helped Somalia form the National Security Service (NSS). This organization, which operated outside normal bureaucratic channels, developed into an instrument of domestic surveillance, with powers of arrest and investigation. The NSS monitored the professional and private activities of civil servants and military personnel, and played a role in the promotion and demotion of government officials. As the number of insurgent movements proliferated in the late 1980s, the NSS increased its activities against dissidents, rebel sympathizers, and other government opponents (see Human Rights , this ch.). Until the downfall of Siad Barre's regime, the NSS remained an elite organization staffed by men from the SNA and the police force who had been chosen for their loyalty to the president."

^^^ Who cares? I care and stop being so emotional sis. Its my country, they are my people and I have every right to say what I want about it. Don't make me remind you that we are on a SOL forum. A forum that is dedicated on giving people with different views a platform to express their ideas. Thank you for recognizing that Rahima. Secondly I have few other points 1) Somalis are clans not tribes. We are one tribe called The Somalis. 2) Please read up on the Sland issue, because I can not make your mind up for you. If sanctioning the partition of Somalia would solve anything then I do not think that any sane Somali would appose that. So please sis read up on the issue, on what the pro's and con's are. You can start thatby reading the article on the top of this tread. I have also taken the opportunity to provide you with a few links on the subject. http://www.benadir-watch.com/2006%20News/0417_Sd_haunted_by_mythology.pdf http://www.benadir-watch.com/2006%20News/0503_Sd_Charges.pdf http://www.wardheernews.com/Articles_06/may_06/ILLUSORY__SOMALILAND.pdf Thank you

lol.....yes he was, he was a henchman for the dictatorial regime. He was a member of the dreaded NSS.

All war criminals should be brought to justice. If there is any truth in your claim then it shows you that it was not one clan trying to kill another. But that it was an immoral regime that was composed of merceneries of all clans and who killed all Somali clans without any remorse. Members of that old regime later got 'amnesty' from their respective clans Omar arte Riyaale Egal Morgan Jessand many more. Many others who collaborated and were a part of the dictatorial regime now run the shows in all parts of Somalia. Secondly the killing of innocent civilians from other clans by the SNM in Burco and Hargeysa in 1988 and in 1991 is denied. These warcrimes should be addressed if we want peace in our country. There will be no peace without justice. Things are not black or white. Right or wrong. The clans have been used and abused by power hungry individuals who keep setting people against each other for their own personal gains. The same guys who collaborated with the dictatorial regime are now running shows. So what happened? did they become good people all of the sudden or are we stu-pid people who deserve no better but perpetual war and missery? Lets be truthfull for once, lets face reality, allot of bad things have been done in our name. Lets speak up against it and distance outselves from those crimes and condem them. I think I can speak for most SOL members when I say we have no blood on our hands and the same goes for most ordinery Somalis. The killers are known from all groups. Lets bring them all to justice. And finally who ever this guy was, The Ex-commander of the Somali Police forces, An SNM lieutanant and a distinguised writter it shows you that it was not a war of clans but a war of a regime against its own people. The questions that the article raised are important. In my opinion he is an expert on the issue because of his experience and inside knowledge. Points he has raised can be investigated and proven wrong or wright. So lets look into the points that has been raised by this article. -The current situation -The legality of the issue -The lies that have been told by the seccesionists -The morality of the cause and will the seccesion solve all the problems of the people in North Western Somalia or will we enter a new stage of Somali clan wars? Look at imminent war between S'land and P'land The SNM rebellion Islamists in Burco that are stirring The clan rivalry within the triangle cities The desperate economic situation Maybe its time that we gave peace a change because hate will not get us anywhere but hell.

I think it will one of the following things. 1. US backed intervention a la Afghanistan with a Somali Karzai. 2. The US may hate Somalis but there is no love lost between them and the Ethiopians. The US will not back an Ethiopian invervention in Somalia. They like the current stuation. They want to keep the Somalis and the Ethio's locked in this vicious cycle. So that they can use us against each other for their interests forever. The giving away of the Oga-denia, Huad reserve Area and the NFD was not a coincidence. 3. If the US chooses to destroy the 'Islamic fundemntalists' the Somali battle ground favours them. The international Jihadists that will gather in Somalia will have no place to hide like they have in Iraq and Afghanistan. But then the Somali population might rise up and create a new Vietnam. 4. The West is in a catch 22 situation. If they engage in a battle with the ICU they will be pinned down in Somalia for a prolonged war that they will loose (after causing a massive slaughter). If they do nothing the ICU will capture Somalia and strive to get back theoccupied Somali territories. The situation is messed up.

I wait and see, no need speculate about uncle sams intentions. To those people thinking the war has ended or will end soon, wake up! There will be another Somali-Ethiopian war. Either they will bring to the Somali Republic or we will bring it to them. I suggest you start preparing yourself. Call me crazy, but they will not stop medling with us and if we want the medling to end we have to fight them plus the issue of western Somalia has not been resolved yet and any Somali government will have to tackle that issue. The courts have made their position on that issue clear. The TFG will not be able to gain Somali respect or be a credible Somali government if they do not speak our against the oppression of fellow Somali in neighbouring countries. In other words, the Somali wars will not end until Somalia is unified.

It is understandable sxb, when discussions do not go the way you want, you start name callings to water down the argument. Our SOL brothers and sisters do see the weakness of your argument.

South Africa Should learn from us in the case of rapists. Kill them all.

^^^Immoral being. Are you suggesting that the death of fellow Somalis and muslims is worth having a kick? Are you sane? have you no damiir? or has hate consumed you?

Dutch Coalition Government Collapses After D66 Party Pulls Out, thanks to AYAANGATE Our dear Ayaan did it again, masiibo laba lugood leh. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aYVyWUPNndxY&refer=europe

Is his the best you can do sxb? SOL is a forum that gives us the chance to share our views and have a dialogue. Please lets respect each other and have a fruitful discussion. Name callings are not needed here. Thank you

The questions still remain my friend, the same goes for article titled "The Illusory Somaliland" in which the secessionist fanatics have no answers. From this sillence we can conclude that this cause is being deserted them even here in SOL. There is a Somali proverb that roughly translates to "a lie has only one leg and when that leg is caught it has no other choice but to fall"

Any evidence or just another smear campaign? In my opinion the Jama M'med Ghalib wrote truthfully on this subject. In my opinion the guys you have listed are no sell outs just pragmatists and the fact that these guys where once blowing the horn for the secessionists and are now pro Somali unity show you, that the secessionisism is just another barganing chip for the clan elites of the north west. Maybe we should place bets on who will be the next to cross the line. I put my money on Riyaale, after his 'precidency' he might cross the line and come down for some bakhshiish.

Thanx jimcaale I didnt know this video existed, I am so happy now

Hmmm no reply from the secessionists even when high ranking officials from the SNM call their cause IMMORAL and contest the legality of their cause. What happend to the once strong pro-'somaliland' block of SOL, could it be that this cause is being deserted by its die hard fanatics or have they finally realized that this cause is not in their interest nor in the interest of the Somali people.