She was probably a spie.

Why do you say that Mr.Red Sea? Do you think that the political leadership of Sland Pland want war? Hell no, they are in this together, its a way ee ku maaweeliyaan their constituencies. They use this to keep their corrupt practices going. If the people have peace they might want accountable leadership and the leadership is smarter then that so they will preoccupy them with imminent war. Dadka un ayaa leysku jeedinayaa. But if a war starts it would be bad for the leadership, new forces might rise or the situation might get out of their hands and they don't want that either, so they will play a nice tune for us all. A war would be a way for the people of the region to regain their power. As long as the political leaderships of Sland and Pland are continuing with this orchestrated actions the people of the region will have no power. So a war is a good thing for the North all we need is a nice spark, hmmm what could be the spark? We alreday hyphed up tribalist sentiments on both sides. Its a matter of time Mr. Red Sea, the war will come and the secenario I painted will unfold.

Why do you say that Mr.Red Sea? Do you think that the political leadership of Sland Pland want war? Hell no, they are in this together, its a way ee ku maaweeliyaan their constituencies. They use this to keep their corrupt practices going. If the people have peace they might want accountable leadership and the leadership is smarter then that so they will preoccupy them with imminent war. Dadka un ayaa leysku jeedinayaa. But if a war starts it would be bad for the leadership, new forces might rise or the situation might get out of their hands and they don't want that either, so they will play a nice tune for us all. A war would be a way for the people of the region to regain their power. As long as the political leaderships of Sland and Pland are continuing with this orchestrated actions the people of the region will have no power. So a war is a good thing for the North all we need is a nice spark, hmmm what could be the spark? We alreday hyphed up tribalist sentiments on both sides. Its a matter of time Mr. Red Sea, the war will come and the secenario I painted will unfold.

^^^ Exactly, economic take is the way. (The asians are trying to stirr up kenyan nationalist sentiments though and this is dangerous)But what will we do if our economic interests are threatend? If we are a neutral country, with no milatery power then we are under constnat threat, should we not have the power to protect our interests? The power to promote our interests and to secure vital resources? We can not pursue economic power without milatery might. The two go hand in hand, we can not have a strong milatery power without economic power and we can not have economic power without milatery power. The current route is good, but we need to have a strong government that protects Somali business interests aboard.

Hmmm, so we can now safely conclude that we are Somalis and not Arabs, Thats all folks! Can I get a Soomaaliya ha noolaato?

Count the names of your abtirsiyo, shariif sacliici, its in the low forthies isn't it? even after adding those bogus arabic names. what does that tell you? The time is wrong. The time that those arab folks lived might be documented. and that is not compatible with the number of generations in your respective clan. If those guys lived around 700 AD and your abtirsiyo makes then 40 generations ago, that puts them in 1200 AD. So the only posible conclusion is that your abtirsiyo is wrong.

Ilaah baa iska leh dhulka. Ilaah ka sokena Soomaali baa iska leh dhulka.

Ilaah baa iska leh dhulka. Ilaah ka sokena Soomaali baa iska leh dhulka.

You know thats complete bogus, its just rhyming of . Somali names in the middle are the real ancestors and thats where your line ends, the arabic names are bogus rhyming. To prove you folks wrong, I will write a book on clans, give me 3 years. I will kill this whole myth. Focusing on the North eastern and the North western clans.

People peopl people, already planning to kill me I see. Ok why do I want an all out war, because it will serve Somaliweyn in a level tha you people can not grasp. 1. Somalis waa 'istubidhyaal', there is this saying that goes like that Somalis only fight with a full stumoch. They fight because of Kibir. The people of Northern Somalia kibir baa wada and I hope their towns burn their villages burn and in ay isku madhaan. Then they might learn each others 'bounderies'. It has been a long time since a major war happened between the clans of the North. Its been about 100 years so most of them forgot. 2. This war will end in a draw no one will win(the clans never loose), but it will kill the dream of Somaliland for good. Since hostile peoples who have have drawn in a war will never agree to seccede. 3. It might change the thinking of the people (yea right) 4. Allot young men will die, good! Those jirri were good for nothin anyway. 5. I bet ya we will get new war profiteers who will be the multi millionairs of the North. 6. After 10 years of civil war in the North we might see decline of teh clans and the rise of a nationalist group that can unite Somalia. Well don't you agree a war would be a great thing in the North. and if, a small if the secessionists win (gotta give those folks some hope) then you will get independance, each one of you will be a king, foreign investment will pour in, jaad prices will fall, filipino slaves will work for you since you are so rich, and it will be happily ever after for you folks. So its a win win situation.

People peopl people, already planning to kill me I see. Ok why do I want an all out war, because it will serve Somaliweyn in a level tha you people can not grasp. 1. Somalis waa 'istubidhyaal', there is this saying that goes like that Somalis only fight with a full stumoch. They fight because of Kibir. The people of Northern Somalia kibir baa wada and I hope their towns burn their villages burn and in ay isku madhaan. Then they might learn each others 'bounderies'. It has been a long time since a major war happened between the clans of the North. Its been about 100 years so most of them forgot. 2. This war will end in a draw no one will win(the clans never loose), but it will kill the dream of Somaliland for good. Since hostile peoples who have have drawn in a war will never agree to seccede. 3. It might change the thinking of the people (yea right) 4. Allot young men will die, good! Those jirri were good for nothin anyway. 5. I bet ya we will get new war profiteers who will be the multi millionairs of the North. 6. After 10 years of civil war in the North we might see decline of teh clans and the rise of a nationalist group that can unite Somalia. Well don't you agree a war would be a great thing in the North. and if, a small if the secessionists win (gotta give those folks some hope) then you will get independance, each one of you will be a king, foreign investment will pour in, jaad prices will fall, filipino slaves will work for you since you are so rich, and it will be happily ever after for you folks. So its a win win situation.

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: Somali identity ha dhacdo haday doonto, as long as I have my faith, Islam. This topic stinks.Too much pride in oneself, I think it's one of the things that throws people off the straigh path, too much pride and kibir of themselves. YES WE NEED PRIDE IN OURSELF! We do not need to copy others or deny our heritage. My nation is Somali, MY country is Somaliweyn and my faith is Islam. These three are linked and they are the pillars of our identity. If Somalia falls, so do you. So once again Somalia hanoolaato. Shariif Sacliici, Thank you for proving my point, why are all those names at the start of all abtirsiyo Somali names and not Arab names? Because that was the time that the Somalis started adopting Islamic 'Arab' names. and if that was about 35/45 generations ago. We were muslim before we were of certain clans. This should help your Islamist cause Mr.Red sea. You can claim that Islam came before clannism, but this will help you if you are only geniune about mulimnimo and if you see all muslims as brothers.

Another thing. I would guess its 60/65 generations from the year 700 AD (each generation 20 years). How far does the abtirsiyo of most clans go? I do not think that the abtirsiyo of the clans that are 'claimed' to be arabs goes to 45 even. They all end in the high thirties of the lower fourthies. What does this prove, it proves that the timing is wrong, clannism or this whole abtirsiyo reached our people 800 years ago. So if we became muslims at the time of birth of Islam, which was 1300 years ago and clannism reached us 800 years ago. We were muslims before we were of certain clans. So in order to convert to Islam around 6/700 AD we had to live in the Hornh of Africa around that time. So we were Somalis and not Arabs when we converted, the clans did not exist around that time. And the whole Abtirsiyo thing is fake. Its fake on many levels. -fake because its timing is wrong -fake because certain sub-clans chance clans numerous times, we can find clans that switches sides many times before, even today we find them switching sides. So the clan is not a static thing, but its al alliance that keeps changing. So one can make the claim that they are of arab decent, but they have to prove it. Mr. Red Sea and General Duke, I challenge you to prove it.

Soomaalidu Ha noolaato, Soomaaliya ha noolaato! As MMA said, we have been in Somalia long before Islam and Arabs, everything proves that we have always been there. How many cities are in Somalia that have Arab names? And how many have Somali names? We recognize that we are not aliens to our land, its our land, we have always lived there and inshalah we will always live there. And this whole theory of some clans having Arab ancestors is also flawd on the numbers side. How many people are from those respective clans? lets say 5 milion (just guessing) orso would fall into this categoty. When did those 'ancestors' come to our lands? It musthave been after teh birth of Islam. So about 6/700 AD. Howmany of them came? well there where two I think. So 2 guys that came to our lands 1300 years ago are the ancestors of 5 million people today. Even if it was peace and they were marrying 4 women each and all of their children where marrying 4 women each, it still wouldn't be 5 million today. Butteh reality of our land then and still today is a harsh one. There where wars, famines, childhood diseases and other diseases that kept the population in check. So This whole ancestory thingy is fake. If someone got timeand is good with maths do the calculation, I can't find my calculator today.

I hope they do their worst. This story will end soon then.

I hope they do their worst. This story will end soon then.

For someone without evidence you are quite specific. My friend Somalis are not a mixed race. We are Somalis period.

^^^Yea and if I was the president of teh world I would make the UK a nuclear waste dumping ground and turn Italy into a theme park for my private entertaintment.

^^^Yea and if I was the president of teh world I would make the UK a nuclear waste dumping ground and turn Italy into a theme park for my private entertaintment.

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: i am half arab half habasha [/QB] And that makes you NOT SOMALI.

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: okay seriously now your comments are getting little redicolous,relax my friend, go take a long vacation, refresh yourself by taking a walk down Batalale Beach Berbera, or the beaches in Bosaso,treat yourself with camel milk, I am sure you will be rejuvenated,because right now, you sound like insecure individual who is in fear that his people will no longer exist, maybe we are all,but not in these terms. I have to tell you Somalis are very good when it comes to not loosing their customs, faith, culture etc, so calm down a bit will ya walaalo. Our people will no long exist if we keep going on this path. Are we prospering at thismoment or are we declining? When will you accept that we are in a big mess? Our nation is being divided, our people hate each other and claim differnet ancestory, I mean we can be optimistic but we can not be blind. We do we have in the world today? Do you except we can keep going like for a long time? A vacation is not an option, a vacation is for people who have done something, lets go on vacation when we have our house in order. And come onnnnnnnnnnnn Berbera and Bosaso for vacation? Dude you must be kidding, you aretalking to me like I dont know those places. Go to Kismayo or Marka for vacation. Berbera and Bosaso are too hot and th beaches are not as good as in Marka or Kismayo. and for caano geel, nowhere beats the Hawd & Nugaal

You are a traitor too for leaving your nation for you qabiil ( the same ghoes for the other 10 million Somalis) I know you say it doesnt matter now and I wish it did not matter, but do you understnad how divisive it is. That people misuse this to create major divisions and to justify their clannish projects. Their ethnnic cleansings, their superiority complex and the reactions it provokes. Me you and everyone elseif we for once accepted hat we are Somalis and that there is no where elkse we are from or no where else will end upthen Somalia then peoples thinking would change. If we see each other as the same people, this war will end. There are people who want us to be divided into a million pieces. They help us destroy each other and and the myths of ancestery are a part of the tools usedto divide us. If each clan has its own historya nd ancestery then that clan should go alone, since they never had anything in coomon with the rest. If young people like us are discussing these thingsliek this, do you think there is any chance of us convincing some geeljire in mudug or a trader in Bosaso or Berbera?

Masterfull, Suldaan do you have the full gabay? if so pass the link. or post it.

Hmmmm if the peaceful garaad is saying this, I fear for the worst. I hope they don't listen and stay so that we have ourselves a nice war.

Hmmmm if the peaceful garaad is saying this, I fear for the worst. I hope they don't listen and stay so that we have ourselves a nice war.