^^^ Laugh with me not at me

General Duke, Hear me THEY HAVE WON!!!!!!!!!! They HAVE WON. Unless, yes there is an unless, unless you also change shirts. Go to lets say Hawd, Nugaal, Mudug and organize yourself, conquer territories under 'Somalinimo' and Wadanka ayaan mideynaynaa. Drape yourself under the Somali flag, that they are so willing to burn, oppose those wadaads with the only thing that can oppose them, SOMALINIMO. Nationalism is the kryptonite of wadaads all over the world. They have played the game well; they have taken it to a higher level. I say don't despair, join them. Give the people of Gedo, Baydhabo and Puntlnad hope. Wave the Somali flag; let the Bosaso financiers support the Somalinimo project. Let the Garowe politicians organize a New Movement. Let all their propagande support it, like Shabele and HornAfrik support the ICU. Give the people their revolution. Or the ICU will come and take Garowe, Bosaso and every other city that is not under their influence now. Change things NOW! Puntland leadership is perceived as corrupt and that corruption is stirring the people, allot of whispers going and that will help the ICU, unless the elite in Puntland realize that and organize their own sham revolution.

^^^ General Duke all jokes aside; no one has ever doubted your position. You have always shown respect to your opponents and that’s admirable. It is rare to see that here on SOL. It is not a secret that there is a rivalry between you (General Duke) and Hornafrique. I presume that this rivalry goes way back. I am just saying burry your hatchet, most preferably burry it in the ICU and its supporters here on SOL. I would like to see few players left and few camps here on SOL political section.

Its all about money, these guys are just sticking up da stick up kid. Its all about the smuggeling business between Kismayo and Kenya, Uganda and further. The Coal trade is passe, thats why the ICU has already outlawed it. They are now looking at the general East African trade. Thats why Kismayo is important, plus now the banana plantation will be in full operations, they have a large market and one front left. The Baydhabo TFG front, so they will concentrate all their power on that. Their short term goal= take out Hiirale and take over Business (Kismayo taxes, Kenya smuggeling, create one front). Mid term goal = take out the TFG in Baydhabo and 'unite' Somalia south of Gaalkacyo, procliam a caliphate(They alreday got pirate flag), a council, they are just one step away from proclaiming the caliphate. Finally Unite of Somalia under their rule Take back the lost territories and ofcourse unite with the Ummah, (that is ofcourse if greed and clannism dont get in da way )

Dear Herr General Duke & Monsieur HornAfrique, I am very disappointed at your behaviour tonight. Your petty squabbles and fights are not necessary, so I suggest you stop it and you combine your powers. Come on guys, kiss and make up, don't you have a common enemy? So save petty squabbles for later. For now, you partners in crime, co-defendants, Homeboyz, Roaddawgs, you are ebony & ivory (find out which is which), you are thick and thin, your inseparable. Spit on it and shake on it. Come on, ok ready? Now take a pose and kick some *** , SOL is your platform now show those, flag burning, whacked out wadaads that you are not taking it anymore. Show them that their kind is unwelcome in Somalia and that they should return to their caves; give them directions to Tora Bora. Divided you fall, united your strong. If you wanna go fast go alone, if you wanna go far go with others, so go with each other not at each other. Now Herr General Duke & Monsieur HornAfrique, you know where you stand. So please ignore each other or work together, but do not fight each other for the sake of my soap opera. Thank you, ME

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Aahhhhhhhhhhhhh I waited for this moment, HornAfrique and General Duke standing on the same side, having a common enemy. By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet! THE POWER IS YOURS

People we have missed about 24 years of the political soap, but it doesnt matter. I am counting from 1982 ofcourse. When the SSDF started its 'operations'. But it does not matter, like any good soap,what happend before doesnt matter, because there is always something new up. Todays Show, ICU Clan courts captured Kismayo and gave it to their mates from Afmadow to 'hold it'for them. There are also reports of the ICU burning our blue flag, our buluugle. This is a serieuse crime, lets wait and see if this is true, if it is, its a major twist. The TFG is angry, all anti-ICU factions are GRRRRRING. The Am-XAAR-o sees this as an opportunity to get more troops into Somalia. The Kenyans might get angry with the precence of the ICU troops near to their (illegal)border. The secessionists? well they are messed up as ever, nothing new with them. Thats todays show, I will keep you posted on how things go. Taraaaa

Come on people, isn't it funny? The twists and turns of Somali politics? Is anyone writting down the twists and turns? in 30 years from now we might have a soap series called, 'The Warlords Era'. Or the 'Civil War Years' and theproducers might wanna have the right story. What I am waiting for now are the Banadir secessionists and the Burco Somali Nationalists. Then the series is complete.

^^ people dont be confused, its DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. WE are Somalis. Nothing to be confused about. Read this tread Allamagan, the whole Arab Clans theory is DEAD. Its killed and no scanned Arabic page with stamps will resurrect it.

The ICU messed it up with me now. Burning our flag. They are not much better then the TFG's Am-XAAR-o. Both these groups do not have the Somali peoples interest at heart. Our flag unites us all, its not a factions flag, its not the flag of one region. Its the flag of the Somali people whereever they may be. It symbolizes Unity under one sky, wherever we may be. The 5 angled star symbolzing the 5 parts in which the Somalis where devided. And the hope that one day our lands will be united under one Somali state. This is our flag and it does not deserve some wacked out wadaads burning it

^^ tel me about it! Some identity crisis we got here. I am willing settle for 1 somali race, anyone down with it? We are just Somali, cool? No difefrnet falavours (thats the farax in me spelling) of Somali, but just O.S.(Original Somalis)

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: quote:AWOL What does AWOL mean? Google it!(The name said it al though 'Lazie')

Originally posted by me: Analysis of mtDNA HVRII in several human populations using an immobilised SSO probe hybridisation assay. Comas D, Reynolds R, Sajantila A. Department of Forensic Medicine, University of Helsinki, Finland. Somali, as a representative East African population, seem to have experienced a detectable amount of Caucasoid maternal influence; One might wonder how is this relevant to the discussion about some Somali clans being Arabs. Well as the two studies above have shown us that the fathers side of the Somali was almost pure Cushtic (77.2%) and the second study argues that the Somali population has experienced a detectable amount of Caucasoid maternal influence. So the mothers side of the Somali could have a non-Cushtic origin. So there goes that theory that some clans are Arabs, because the clans trace their lineage through their fathers side and we have seen that the first Somali man was Cushtic and not Arab and on the fathers side we are 77.2% Cushtic. Anyways Wiilka Shaydaan explained it before, and I think he will be happy with the new study because it proves him right. The first Somali man was Cushtic and the dude had jungle fever.

Analysis of mtDNA HVRII in several human populations using an immobilised SSO probe hybridisation assay. Comas D, Reynolds R, Sajantila A. Department of Forensic Medicine, University of Helsinki, Finland. Several populations were typed for the hypervariable region II (HVRII) of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region using immobilised sequence-specific oligonucleotide (SSO) probes. A total of 16 SSO probes was used to type 1081 individuals from eight different ethnic groups (African Americans, Somali, US Europeans, US Hispanics, Bosnians, Finns, Saami and Japanese). Data was compared with already published sequence data by analysis of principal components, genetic distances and analysis of the molecular variance (AMOVA). The analyses performed group the samples in several clusters according to their geographical origins. Most of the variability detected is assigned to differences between individuals and only 7% is assigned to differences among groups of populations within and between geographical regions. Several features are patent in the samples studied: Somali, as a representative East African population, seem to have experienced a detectable amount of Caucasoid maternal influence; different degrees of admixture in the US samples studied are detected; Finns and Saami belong to the European genetic landscape, although Saami present an outlier position attributable to a strong maternal founder effect. The technique used is a rapid and simple method to detect human variation in the mtDNA HVRII in a large number of samples, which might be useful in forensic and population genetic studies.

Y haplogroup E3b1 in Somali males posted by Dienekes on Friday, March 11, 2005 | A new study quantifies the extent of Eurasian (15%) and Sub-Saharan African (5%) paternal admixture in Somalis, a population which appears to be predominantly East African paternally. The authors also explain why the Somalis have low Sub-Saharan African admixture: The time of the eastbound Bantu expansion was estimated to be 3400±1100 years ago.24 Bantu populations have high frequencies of E3a haplogroups.4 We have observed only a few individuals with the E3a haplogroup in our Somali population, thus, supporting the view that the Bantu migration did not reach Somalia.42 It has been suggested that a barrier against gene flow exist in the region.43 The barrier seems to be the Cushitic languages and cultures to which Somalis belongs. The Cushitic languages belong to the Afro-Asiatic languages that are spoken in Northern and Eastern Africa. The Cushitic languages and cultures are mainly found in the Somalis and the Oromos, one of the two main groups inhabiting Ethiopia.44, 45, 46. The Somali and Oromo languages have a high degree of similarity and the two populations share many cultural characteristics. The Somali and Oromo people live in clans with special patterns of marriage and the Somali and Oromo people have complex, interwoven pedigrees.44, 45 European Journal of Human Genetics (advance online publication) High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males Juan J Sanchez et al. We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%). The haplogroup E3b1 with the rare DYS19-11 allele (also called the E3b1 cluster γ) was found in 75.1% of male Somalis, and 70.6% of Somali Y chromosomes were E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12, DYS437-14, DYS438-11 and DYS393-13. The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations. In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified. The West African clade E3a was found in 89.2% of the samples and the haplogroup E3b1 was not observed. In Turks, 12 haplogroups were found including J2*(xJ2f2) (27.1%), R1b3*(xR1b3d, R1b3f) (20.3%), E3b3 and R1a1*(xR1a1b) (both 11.9%). In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). The data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population - closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya - with predominant E3b1 cluster γ lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000-5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa.

Promise no more SOL AWOL

1. Somalia was never defeated by Ethiopia 2. How will we support a million man army? with a population of around 12 million? Who will work if 1 million people are in the army? 3 And whats the point of having a 1 million men army if 70.000 well trained well equiped men & women can do it better.

Maradii baa ka dhacday Badacase.

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Me- Why is it important to you what people claim? Secondly how did you translate as having some sort of Arab blood or descending from Arabs as being Arab today? I expected better from you Mr. HornAfrique. The claim that some clans are Arabs while others are indigenous is a part of the mechanism of division used by those who do not want us to reconcile. If our people do not have a common history or ancestry, we can not claim to be the same people. It would mean that we are a collection of different peoples. Some clans being Arabs while others are indigenous. The claim of some clans being of Arab decent while others are indigenous creates a tension, since we know that it doesn’t end with the claim only. The information is misused and used to discriminate, because most qabiilist jaahils would link ancestry with race and ‘superiority’. For the common good of our people, we need a departing point that unites all of us. That departing point can be for example our mythical forefather SOOMAALI. We need a history that unites us, that treats us all equal. We need a history that says we are all brothers, in which all clans abtirsiyadoodo ay ku dhamaato SOOMAALI. This would be no more of a fantasy then those ending their abtirsiyo with the cousin of the prophet scw. Taking away the fuel of hate from the warmongers is important, if we want to find a solution for the current Somali crises. Clannism looks for divisions where ever it can. A Clannis sees different Somali dialects and says they are different languages. A Clannist sees different customs and says we have different cultures. A Clannist’s belief is built on division and the ranking of certain groups. Clannism is what’s making certain groups claim different ancestry, because they do not want to believe that that people they are fight, killing, whose houses they are burning, whose women they are raping are their brothers. So they will do anything si ay iskaga fogeeyaan maskaxdooda, in ay walaalo yihiin dadkan. Hadii ay arkaan in ay walaalahood sidan u galayaan, they might be ashamed. So in order to justify their actions they need to make sure that nothing unites them and the people they are killing. To start destroying Clannism for once and for all we need to address the issue of Somali beginning, we need to correct the beginning of the clans. Because that’s were it went wrong. The Somali Arab myth was not thought through. It was flawed on many ways. - It divided the Somali nation, instead of uniting them - It lend itself to be used as a tool for discrimination - It claimed we were not the rightful owners of the Horn of Africa, and that we were an invading Army (Invading army might sound nice, but it’s also dangerous to our territorial claims, how can we claim to be the rightful owners of Somalia if it didn’t belong to us at the first place?). So Mr.HornAfrique, we can not just let it be. We can not let it go, if this issue has such influence in our society. This issue needs to be properly addressed. A common ancestry would unite us and would make the whole Somali nation one CLAN. Then maybe magta waan isla wada bixin lahayn. Waan isla qaadhaami lahayn. Waan isu hiilin lahayn. Walaalo ayaan ahaan lahayn.

Originally posted by General Duke: I have to give the Sharif his credit, he is sticking to his guns. In my mind there is no doubt that we have Arab blood, but I am not sure how accurate the historical account of our fore fathers are. Even Imam Ahmed Ibrahim is claimed to be an ARAB, and his Jihad was led by Arab/Somali's. This is 500 years ago, and in the Futuh Alxabasha, the Somali clans are all mentioned except fora few. And what does this prove, how does this contribute to the discussion? If you wanted to make a point, please make it. Because I don't see the point your making and its relevance to the discussion. How does Axmed Guray being relate to whole Somali clans being Arabs. Btw. No one is denying that Arabs have visited Somalia, traded with Somalis or even have lived in Somali cities. What we are discussing is if there is any truth in some Somali clans being Arabs. In the Futuh Al-habasha, are they saying that the Somali clans are Arabs or are they saying SOMALI CLANS, are they discussing the ancestory of the Somalis in those accounts? If not whats its relevance to the current discussion? Somalis are not Arabs that should be clear by now. Evidence for Somalis not being Arabs: -DNA -Linguistic evidence -Abtirsiyo khaldan Evidence for Somalis being Arabs: -Hear say -Myths -My ayeeyo told me

^^^ thats a LIE, Ahmed Guray was Somali. I can claim Alexander the great was a Somali, but that doesnt make him Somali, if he was an Arab then from which Arab tribe was he? Where was his family from? How long has he lived in Somalia? Its crap, he was a Somali end of discussion. His army was mainly Somali. He was born in Zaylac, how many Arabs live in Zaylac? I dont even think he ever put a foot on Arab soil, so how can you claim that he is not Somali. Why is it that Somalis hate themselves so much they are so willing to deny their history, in 20 years time they will be telling us that Sayd Maxamed Cabdile Xasan was a Turk. Some people are now claiming that Somalia was defeated by Ethiopia in the 77 war. Why do you people hate yourself so much, whats wrong with being proud of what you are? Whats wrong with being PROUD TO BE SOMALIS? Btw: General Duke congratulation for encouraging lunacy. If you was a real freind you would tell Shariif sacliici that he is making himself look like a fool.

^^Dude Somali spies are unreliable. and who would suspect a 78 year old nun? I know that NGO's are a cover for spies. The west gets most reliable info from Somalia through their NGO's. Plus who cares about a dead nun, she should have been there in the first place. taking out those NGO's from our country would be a good thing for out people, they might hire Somali experts if their faces are not welcome in our country. Or better yet they may leave and people might have to work for themselves and change their own lives instead of living on hand outs.

Originally posted by WIIL_SHAYDAANKA: The European Green Party followed up the revelations by presenting to the press and the European Parliament in Strasbourg copies of contracts signed by the two companies and representatives of the then “President†— Ali Mahdi Mohamed — to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then about £60 million). this fool probably sealed the fate of thousands of somali kids of the next generations to come he stole their futures man the hell with his third world car he should be hanged :mad: Hear Hear, he should be hanged. The enviromental damage these warlords have done will haunt us for many generations. The ones cutting up threes in the south for coal are just as bad. The ones smuggeling people, the ones trading in jaad. Allot of people should be hanged. But Cali Mahdi should have a proper long televised trial. We should have proper trials not just shoot them or hang them, we need to know the whole truth of what these monsters have done to our country.

^^The topic title: CADE MUUSE OO KA 'BAQDAY' BUUHOODLE. You mean ka BAQAY. hommie Af Soomaali soo baro ama ha ku hadlin. Afka ha nagaga ciyaarin. Btw. Buuhoodle is a scary place, ever been there?