^^ Do you support it?

Never, Somalinimo wey ka ween tahay PL iyo SL. No one was spared in Mogadisho and the south, but you forget what happend in Hargeysa, Ceerigaabo and Burco in 1988 and 1991. Waa lays cafinaayaa. Whole clns can not be blamed for what happened. There were criminal individuals an they should be brought to justice. We can not hold whole clans responsible for what happened. Its time to move on. We are very close ending this war and uniting Somalia under one Somali power. Continuing this war will not help anyone. Independance will not help PL. Independance will bring is demise closer. if the leadership PL is foolish enought to do that then they do not deserve to lead Puntland.

Never, Somalinimo wey ka ween tahay PL iyo SL. No one was spared in Mogadisho and the south, but you forget what happend in Hargeysa, Ceerigaabo and Burco in 1988 and 1991. Waa lays cafinaayaa. Whole clns can not be blamed for what happened. There were criminal individuals an they should be brought to justice. We can not hold whole clans responsible for what happened. Its time to move on. We are very close ending this war and uniting Somalia under one Somali power. Continuing this war will not help anyone. Independance will not help PL. Independance will bring is demise closer. if the leadership PL is foolish enought to do that then they do not deserve to lead Puntland.

heheheh@general Somalinimo markii la qaybinaayay xagee joogtay? Work for the greater good sxb. Narrowmindedness has brought us here. We need to liberate our Somali brothers, for the sake of Somalinimo. We need to learn how to live together without segeragating outselves into clan enclaves. We need to accept the things that bind us not what divide us. The people of PL need Somalia. We need to end this qabyaalad. general Duke you are wise man. use your brains and work for the common good. Allot has happened,but we need to forgive. Lets move onand rebuild our nation. We can not mistrust each other forever. There are no winners in a civil war. Lets not help our enemies to spite our brothers. Bakar don't worry awoowe. Inshalah nabad ayeey noqon doontaa.

Ok let me entertain your independant PL idea. Tell me how will the leadership sell this to the general public. Unlike SL Puntland has never been an independdant state. A flag, army and clan territory doesn't make you a state. Somaliland with all its symbolsand its history couldn't do it, how do you think that PL will do it? Your forgetting Darwiishland. If PL declares independance the Darwiish will not appreciate it and they might work with the ICU. They might see that their 'interests' are better served by the ICU. They already feel marginalized in PL, they are in a semi-war with SL. They are just unhappy and have guns. The new found riyaals of the ICU might be an incentive enough for them.

Ok let me entertain your independant PL idea. Tell me how will the leadership sell this to the general public. Unlike SL Puntland has never been an independdant state. A flag, army and clan territory doesn't make you a state. Somaliland with all its symbolsand its history couldn't do it, how do you think that PL will do it? Your forgetting Darwiishland. If PL declares independance the Darwiish will not appreciate it and they might work with the ICU. They might see that their 'interests' are better served by the ICU. They already feel marginalized in PL, they are in a semi-war with SL. They are just unhappy and have guns. The new found riyaals of the ICU might be an incentive enough for them.

Hahahahahah, CARRRRR! I never knew it was that deep in you. But I say CARRR, let them try. PL will have a civil war. I know of one PL clan that has given its support for PL on one condition. That they will stay a part of Somalia. If PL tries that joke, then it wil be a war. How far is garowe from that clans territory? 10 km? How far is Bosaso from the other clans territory? 10 km?. Ooh yeah remmember that Gaalkacyo is shared. Even Qardho is on a border. Will Eyl be the new capital of the 1 clan PL? PL thats independant will also loose any claim in southern Somalia, say bye bye to the claim on Kismayo. There is always internal friction between Gaalkacyo,Garowe and Bosaso. That might flare up 2. Ethiopia and Kenya can do nothing. Unlike you I believe that the ICU has reached critical mass. There is nothing that can stop it.

Hahahahahah, CARRRRR! I never knew it was that deep in you. But I say CARRR, let them try. PL will have a civil war. I know of one PL clan that has given its support for PL on one condition. That they will stay a part of Somalia. If PL tries that joke, then it wil be a war. How far is garowe from that clans territory? 10 km? How far is Bosaso from the other clans territory? 10 km?. Ooh yeah remmember that Gaalkacyo is shared. Even Qardho is on a border. Will Eyl be the new capital of the 1 clan PL? PL thats independant will also loose any claim in southern Somalia, say bye bye to the claim on Kismayo. There is always internal friction between Gaalkacyo,Garowe and Bosaso. That might flare up 2. Ethiopia and Kenya can do nothing. Unlike you I believe that the ICU has reached critical mass. There is nothing that can stop it.

They are patient. Unless they are tricked into fighting, they will not attack Baydhabo. This war will be won by politics not guns. If they attack Baydhabo today then they will make a mistake. They are patient, they will consolidate their power. They will conscript more soldiers and they will train their forces while they are working on a political solution. If they attack PL or Baydhabo today, the outcome is uncertain. I believe that they will bide their time. We will have one boring month now, unless PL,TFG,Ethio's attack tehcourts.

They are patient. Unless they are tricked into fighting, they will not attack Baydhabo. This war will be won by politics not guns. If they attack Baydhabo today then they will make a mistake. They are patient, they will consolidate their power. They will conscript more soldiers and they will train their forces while they are working on a political solution. If they attack PL or Baydhabo today, the outcome is uncertain. I believe that they will bide their time. We will have one boring month now, unless PL,TFG,Ethio's attack tehcourts.

Originally posted by General Duke: We want equality and peace. Shariah law is fine, but why must it be under the control of oen group? I want Shariah law in Puntland and Somaliland and Djabouti, but it must come from the people and not from the top imposed. Then negotiate with the ICU, find a way for intergrating PLand SL with the courts system. The SL and PL leadership do not want to negotiate, they fear that they might loose power. They want the status quo to remain the same Sharia law is fine by you. Alright then you are halfway there. Now we need reform and end to federalism and secessionism (the real reason I why I am cheering for the courts today).

Originally posted by General Duke: We want equality and peace. Shariah law is fine, but why must it be under the control of oen group? I want Shariah law in Puntland and Somaliland and Djabouti, but it must come from the people and not from the top imposed. Then negotiate with the ICU, find a way for intergrating PLand SL with the courts system. The SL and PL leadership do not want to negotiate, they fear that they might loose power. They want the status quo to remain the same Sharia law is fine by you. Alright then you are halfway there. Now we need reform and end to federalism and secessionism (the real reason I why I am cheering for the courts today).

It is a Catch 22.But there is a way out for the ICU. Thats why they will start with Baydhabo and delegitmize the TFG. They will use the clan card, they will use their Riyaals and bribe left right and center. They will make sure that they have atleast half the parlementarians. What will the TFG do? Arrest the parlementarians? You might be thinking that the TFG and PL and SL have Ethiopian support. Ethiopia will do nothing. They do not have the fundings for sustained fighting in Somalia and the US is not gonna fund it for them. I believe that the ICU has the US's blessings for now.

It is a Catch 22.But there is a way out for the ICU. Thats why they will start with Baydhabo and delegitmize the TFG. They will use the clan card, they will use their Riyaals and bribe left right and center. They will make sure that they have atleast half the parlementarians. What will the TFG do? Arrest the parlementarians? You might be thinking that the TFG and PL and SL have Ethiopian support. Ethiopia will do nothing. They do not have the fundings for sustained fighting in Somalia and the US is not gonna fund it for them. I believe that the ICU has the US's blessings for now.

General Duke there is no panic here. I do not believe that there will be a clan war. The only ones that want a clan war today are the enemies of the Somali people. The Somali people are wiser today. We mistrust each other, but we all want peace. What is happening now is described in Franz Fannon’s wretched of the earth. He stated that: Sometimes colonialism attempts to dislocate or create diversions around the upward thrust of nationalism. Instead of organizing the sheikhs and the chiefs against the ‘revolutionaries’ in the towns, native committees organize the tribes and confraternities into parties. Confronted with the urban party which was beginning to ‘embody the national will’ and to constitute a danger for the colonial regime, splinter groups are born, and tendencies and parties which have their origin in ethnical or regional differences spring up. It is the entire tribe which is turning itself into a political party, closely advised by the colonialists. The revolutionary party today is the ICU and it has already begun to embody the national will. The colonialist regime (Anarchists supported by the Ethio’s) will use every tool to their disposal to preserve the status quo. They will try to make this struggle look like a clan struggle. The PL leadership will position itself so that they are seen as the champions of their clan. SL will do the same. They will try to portray the ICU as an alien force that is invading their clans’ land. They will scare the population. They will try to manipulate that fear and translate it into popular support. The ICU is not helping itself; they should communicate with the common man in every Somali city. They should share their vision with the people. The common man is tired of war, he wants peace. PL and SL are entities of the past. The common man does not see them as the future. They have done their work. They have served the people well in the past 16 years. The Somali people living those regions are grateful, but now the time has come that they should work for the greater good of the Somali nation. The people have entrusted them with the power to lead and the people can take that power away if they see that it is misused. Riyaale earning 400.000 Dollars a year while there is 92% unemployment rate in SL is not good leadership. Cade Muuse selling the Mineral and oil wealth of PL for 12 million and some shares is not accountable leadership. The people are fed up with these practices. Either SL and PL will reform or ‘waa lagu kala tagayaa’. It does not seem to me that the leadership of SL and PL care about the common man. Even if they care it seems that the leadership is incompetent. I hope that they see their weakness and that they negotiate with the ICU. The common man deserves it.

General Duke there is no panic here. I do not believe that there will be a clan war. The only ones that want a clan war today are the enemies of the Somali people. The Somali people are wiser today. We mistrust each other, but we all want peace. What is happening now is described in Franz Fannon’s wretched of the earth. He stated that: Sometimes colonialism attempts to dislocate or create diversions around the upward thrust of nationalism. Instead of organizing the sheikhs and the chiefs against the ‘revolutionaries’ in the towns, native committees organize the tribes and confraternities into parties. Confronted with the urban party which was beginning to ‘embody the national will’ and to constitute a danger for the colonial regime, splinter groups are born, and tendencies and parties which have their origin in ethnical or regional differences spring up. It is the entire tribe which is turning itself into a political party, closely advised by the colonialists. The revolutionary party today is the ICU and it has already begun to embody the national will. The colonialist regime (Anarchists supported by the Ethio’s) will use every tool to their disposal to preserve the status quo. They will try to make this struggle look like a clan struggle. The PL leadership will position itself so that they are seen as the champions of their clan. SL will do the same. They will try to portray the ICU as an alien force that is invading their clans’ land. They will scare the population. They will try to manipulate that fear and translate it into popular support. The ICU is not helping itself; they should communicate with the common man in every Somali city. They should share their vision with the people. The common man is tired of war, he wants peace. PL and SL are entities of the past. The common man does not see them as the future. They have done their work. They have served the people well in the past 16 years. The Somali people living those regions are grateful, but now the time has come that they should work for the greater good of the Somali nation. The people have entrusted them with the power to lead and the people can take that power away if they see that it is misused. Riyaale earning 400.000 Dollars a year while there is 92% unemployment rate in SL is not good leadership. Cade Muuse selling the Mineral and oil wealth of PL for 12 million and some shares is not accountable leadership. The people are fed up with these practices. Either SL and PL will reform or ‘waa lagu kala tagayaa’. It does not seem to me that the leadership of SL and PL care about the common man. Even if they care it seems that the leadership is incompetent. I hope that they see their weakness and that they negotiate with the ICU. The common man deserves it.

If the leaderships of PL and SL act brave and they try to round up Islamist sympathizers. They will loose the support of the general public. Example: Sheikh Max'ed Sheikh Ismaciil and the wadaads in PL jails. If they kill wadaads in PL and SL, those wadaads have TOL. If they bring in Ethiopian soldiers to support them, they will undermine their own legitimacy, just like the TFG has done, just like PL has done. It’s a no win situation. They will loose every time. Please think of one scenario in which PL and SL survive this intact. Hmmmm maybe if they leave the country and organize a rebellion from Ethiopia, just like the SSDF, SNM and the USC had done. Give the wadaads couple of years. Let the people experience their rule, maybe they will mess it up on their own and loose the support that they have with the general public. They can also perpetrate terrorist acts and blame the ICU? Maybe win support that way.

If the leaderships of PL and SL act brave and they try to round up Islamist sympathizers. They will loose the support of the general public. Example: Sheikh Max'ed Sheikh Ismaciil and the wadaads in PL jails. If they kill wadaads in PL and SL, those wadaads have TOL. If they bring in Ethiopian soldiers to support them, they will undermine their own legitimacy, just like the TFG has done, just like PL has done. It’s a no win situation. They will loose every time. Please think of one scenario in which PL and SL survive this intact. Hmmmm maybe if they leave the country and organize a rebellion from Ethiopia, just like the SSDF, SNM and the USC had done. Give the wadaads couple of years. Let the people experience their rule, maybe they will mess it up on their own and loose the support that they have with the general public. They can also perpetrate terrorist acts and blame the ICU? Maybe win support that way.

^^ Checked it man. Women will out number men 50 to 1 . people will be so rich theywon't have anyone to give zakat to? hmmmmm

Originally posted by General Duke: ME. What will the rest do wait, for the uprising, assasination, spliting of the government and so on? The problem for Mogadishu is the perception that they have the millitary power to subdue the whole country. Puntland and Somaliland go beyond just personalities, there are too many stakeholders, beyond Cade, Riyaale in comparison to the warlords and factions that the courts have over taken. I say that the courts are blowing their won trumpet a bit too much. A confrontation withe Puntland will be seen as a clan war on a major scale, say bye to Somalia. The rest won't do anything. There will be no clan war if the religious groups in PL and SL agree with the ICU. It will be an internal uprising. The people are fed up of the corrupt practices of the SL leadership and the PL leadership. It will be an internal uprising so a qabiil war is out of the question. Don't under estimate the surwaalgaabs. I have some respect for those guys. One thing that they can not be blamed for is inpatience. They control Somalia's business no one can deny that. They are in every city, every village and even the geeljires are with them. They are the docters, the teachers, they stayed in Somalia while we ran away. Its their country now. Who will PL replace Cadde Muse with? PL is shaking and it has been shaking for a long long time. There is mistrust between the clans and sub-clans there. What will happen if A.Y. is assasinated or he just dies, he is not the youngest you know. You asked me what will the rest do? My question is what can the rest do? There is no man stronger then A.Y. in the TFG only A.Y. keeps the TFG together, if he is gone it will crummble, the rest of the ministers are in it for the money. Who will take over from CADDE MUUSE? PL is corrupt and the averadge joe knows that. No one is willing to die for qabiil these days. CADDE MUUSE also devided the people of PL. His actions in Adhicadeeye didn't make him any freinds, his RANGE RECOURCES dealings alianated him the MAAKHIR population. The marginalization of the 'reer garowe'. PL will fall if they do not replace CADE MUUSE and his corrupt clique. No one is willing to die so that him and his likes will continue their corrupt lifestyles. SL is another story. I would advice the PLand SL leaderships to make deals with the ICU, make power sharing deals. Handover power to local wadaads that will do the negotiations with the wadaads in Mogadisho, they should make sure that they get guarantees that ther properties will be protected and that they get amnesty. They can not hold out much longer,they should save us the bloodshed. <<< when I say this I am imagining PL and SL to be independant thinking entities,which they are not. Adis Abeba is where both get their orders from.

Originally posted by General Duke: ME. What will the rest do wait, for the uprising, assasination, spliting of the government and so on? The problem for Mogadishu is the perception that they have the millitary power to subdue the whole country. Puntland and Somaliland go beyond just personalities, there are too many stakeholders, beyond Cade, Riyaale in comparison to the warlords and factions that the courts have over taken. I say that the courts are blowing their won trumpet a bit too much. A confrontation withe Puntland will be seen as a clan war on a major scale, say bye to Somalia. The rest won't do anything. There will be no clan war if the religious groups in PL and SL agree with the ICU. It will be an internal uprising. The people are fed up of the corrupt practices of the SL leadership and the PL leadership. It will be an internal uprising so a qabiil war is out of the question. Don't under estimate the surwaalgaabs. I have some respect for those guys. One thing that they can not be blamed for is inpatience. They control Somalia's business no one can deny that. They are in every city, every village and even the geeljires are with them. They are the docters, the teachers, they stayed in Somalia while we ran away. Its their country now. Who will PL replace Cadde Muse with? PL is shaking and it has been shaking for a long long time. There is mistrust between the clans and sub-clans there. What will happen if A.Y. is assasinated or he just dies, he is not the youngest you know. You asked me what will the rest do? My question is what can the rest do? There is no man stronger then A.Y. in the TFG only A.Y. keeps the TFG together, if he is gone it will crummble, the rest of the ministers are in it for the money. Who will take over from CADDE MUUSE? PL is corrupt and the averadge joe knows that. No one is willing to die for qabiil these days. CADDE MUUSE also devided the people of PL. His actions in Adhicadeeye didn't make him any freinds, his RANGE RECOURCES dealings alianated him the MAAKHIR population. The marginalization of the 'reer garowe'. PL will fall if they do not replace CADE MUUSE and his corrupt clique. No one is willing to die so that him and his likes will continue their corrupt lifestyles. SL is another story. I would advice the PLand SL leaderships to make deals with the ICU, make power sharing deals. Handover power to local wadaads that will do the negotiations with the wadaads in Mogadisho, they should make sure that they get guarantees that ther properties will be protected and that they get amnesty. They can not hold out much longer,they should save us the bloodshed. <<< when I say this I am imagining PL and SL to be independant thinking entities,which they are not. Adis Abeba is where both get their orders from.

Khalaf I am not worried that the end of day, I am worried about those on the opposite site that believe that the end of day will come and that are actually working in speeding up teh end of teh world. They are dangerous. the article below might explain a thing or two on these folks, they are the same people on that jesus camp video. 'End Times' Religious Groups Want Apocalypse Soon 'End times' religious groups want apocalypse sooner than later, and they're relying on high tech -- and red heifers -- to hasten its arrival. By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer June 22, 2006 For thousands of years, prophets have predicted the end of the world. Today, various religious groups, using the latest technology, are trying to hasten it. Their endgame is to speed the promised arrival of a messiah. For some Christians this means laying the groundwork for Armageddon. With that goal in mind, mega-church pastors recently met in Inglewood to polish strategies for using global communications and aircraft to transport missionaries to fulfill the Great Commission: to make every person on Earth aware of Jesus' message. Doing so, they believe, will bring about the end, perhaps within two decades. In Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a far different vision. As mayor of Tehran in 2004, he spent millions on improvements to make the city more welcoming for the return of a Muslim messiah known as the Mahdi, according to a recent report by the American Foreign Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank. To the majority of Shiites, the Mahdi was the last of the prophet Muhammad's true heirs, his 12 righteous descendants chosen by God to lead the faithful. Ahmadinejad hopes to welcome the Mahdi to Tehran within two years. Conversely, some Jewish groups in Jerusalem hope to clear the path for their own messiah by rebuilding a temple on a site now occupied by one of Islam's holiest shrines. Artisans have re-created priestly robes of white linen, gem-studded breastplates, silver trumpets and solid-gold menorahs to be used in the Holy Temple — along with two 6½-ton marble cornerstones for the building's foundation. Then there is Clyde Lott, a Mississippi revivalist preacher and cattle rancher. He is trying to raise a unique herd of red heifers to satisfy an obscure injunction in the Book of Numbers: the sacrifice of a blemish-free red heifer for purification rituals needed to pave the way for the messiah. So far, only one of his cows has been verified by rabbis as worthy, meaning they failed to turn up even three white or black hairs on the animal's body. Linking these efforts is a belief that modern technologies and global communications have made it possible to induce completion of God's plan within this generation. Though there are myriad interpretations of how it will play out, the basic Christian apocalyptic countdown — as described by the Book of Revelation in the New Testament — is as follows: Jews return to Israel after 2,000 years, the Holy Temple is rebuilt, billions of people perish during seven years of natural disasters and plagues, the antichrist arises and rules the world, the battle of Armageddon erupts in the vicinity of Israel, Jesus returns to defeat Satan's armies and preside over Judgment Day. Generations of Christians have hoped for the Second Coming of Jesus, said UCLA historian Eugen Weber, author of the 1999 book "Apocalypses: Prophecies, Cults and Millennial Beliefs Through the Ages." "And it's always been an ultimately bloody hope, a slaughterhouse hope," he added with a sigh. "What we have now in this global age is a vaster and bloodier-than-ever Wagnerian version. But, then, we are a very imaginative race." Apocalyptic movements are nothing new; even Christopher Columbus hoped to assist in the Great Commission by evangelizing New World inhabitants. Some religious scholars saw apocalyptic fever rise as the year 2000 approached, and they expected it to subside after the millennium arrived without a hitch. It didn't. According to various polls, an estimated 40% of Americans believe that a sequence of events presaging the end times is already underway. Among the believers are pastors of some of the largest evangelical churches in America, who converged at Faith Central Bible Church in Inglewood in February to finalize plans to start 5 million new churches worldwide in 10 years. "Jesus Christ commissioned his disciples to go to the ends of the Earth and tell everyone how they could achieve eternal life," said James Davis, president of the Global Pastors Network's "Billion Souls Initiative," one of an estimated 2,000 initiatives worldwide designed to boost the Christian population. "As we advance around the world," Davis said, "we'll be shortening the time needed to fulfill that Great Commission. Then, the Bible says, the end will come." An opposing vision, invoked by Ahmadinejad in an address before the United Nations last year, suggests that the Imam Mahdi, a 9th century figure, will soon emerge from a well to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam. "O mighty Lord," he said, "I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace." At the appropriate time, according to Shiite tradition, the Mahdi will reappear and, along with Jesus, lead Muslims in a struggle to rid the world of corruption and establish justice. For Christians, the future of Israel is the key to any end-times scenario, and various groups are reaching out to Jews — or proselytizing among them — to advance the Second Coming. A growing number of fundamentalist Christians in mostly Southern states are adopting Jewish religious practices to align themselves with prophecies saying that Gentiles will stand as one with Jews when the end is near. Evangelist John C. Hagee of the 19,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio has helped 12,000 Russian Jews move to Israel, and donated several million dollars to Israeli hospitals and orphanages. "We are the generation that will probably see the rapture of the church," Hagee said, referring to a moment in advance of Jesus' return when the world's true believers will be airlifted into heaven. "In Christian theology, the first thing that happens when Christ returns to Earth is the judgment of nations," said Hagee, who wears a Jewish prayer shawl when he ministers. "It will have one criterion: How did you treat the Jewish people? Anyone who understands that will want to be on the right side of that question. Those who are anti-Semitic will go to eternal damnation." On July 18, Hagee plans to lead a contingent of high-profile evangelists to Washington to make their concerns about Israel's security known to congressional leaders. More than 1,200 evangelists are expected for the gathering. "Twenty-five years ago, I called a meeting of evangelists to discuss such an effort, and the conversation didn't last an hour," he said. "This time, I called and they all came and stayed. And when the meeting was over, they all agreed to speak up for Israel." Underlining the sense of urgency is a belief that the end-times clock started ticking May 15, 1948, when the United Nations formally recognized Israel. "I'll never forget that night," Hagee said. "I was 8 years old at the time and in the kitchen with my father listening to the news about Israel's rebirth on the radio. He said, 'Son, this is the most important day in the 20th century.' " Hagee's message is carried on 160 television stations and 50 radio stations and can be seen in Africa, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and most Third World nations. By contrast, Bill McCartney, a former University of Colorado football coach and co-founder of the evangelical Promise Keepers movement for men, which became huge in the 1990s, has had a devil of a time getting his own apocalyptic campaign off the ground. It's called The Road to Jerusalem, and its mission is to convert Jews to Christianity — while there is still time. "Our whole purpose is to hasten the end times," he said. "The Bible says Jews will be brought to jealousy when they see Christians and Jewish believers together as one — they'll want to be a part of that. That's going to signal Jesus' return." Jews and others who don't accept Jesus, he added matter-of-factly, "are toast." McCartney, who only a decade ago sermonized to stadium-size crowds of Promise Keepers, said finding people to back his sputtering cause has been "like plowing cement." Given end-times scenarios saying that non-believers will die before Jesus returns — and that the antichrist will rule from Jerusalem's rebuilt Holy Temple — Jews have mixed feelings about the outpouring of support Israel has been getting from evangelical organizations. "I truly believe John Hagee is at once a daring, beautiful person — and quite dangerous," said Orthodox Rabbi Brad Hirschfield, vice president of the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership in New York. "I sincerely recognize him as a hero for bringing planeloads of people to Israel at a time when people there were getting blown up by the busloads," Hirschfield said. "But he also believes that the only path to the father is through Jesus. That leaves me out." Meanwhile, in what has become a spectacular annual routine, Jews — hoping to rebuild the Holy Temple destroyed by the Romans in AD 70 — attempt to haul the 6 1/2 -ton cornerstones by truck up to the Temple Mount, the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock shrine. Each year, they are turned back by police. Among those turned away is Gershon Solomon, spokesman for Jerusalem's Temple Institute. When the temple is built, he said, "Islam is over." "I'm grateful for all the wonderful Christian angels wanting to help us," Solomon added, acknowledging the political support from "Christians who are now Israel's best lobbyists in the United States." However, when asked to comment on the fate of non-Christians upon the Second Coming of Jesus, he said, "That's a very embarrassing question. What can I tell you? That's a very terrible Christian idea. "What kind of religion is it that expects another religion will be destroyed?" But are all of these efforts to hasten the end of the world a bit like, well, playing God? Some Christians, such as Roman Catholics and some Protestant denominations, believe in the Second Coming but don't try to advance it. It's important to be ready for the Second Coming, they say, though its timetable cannot be manipulated. Hirschfield said he prays every day for the coming of the Jewish messiah, but he too believes that God can't be hurried. "For me," he said, "the messiah is like the mechanical bunny at a racetrack: It always stays a little ahead of the runners but keeps the pace toward a redeemed world. "Trouble is, there are many people who want to bring a messiah who looks just like them. For me, that kind of messianism is spiritual narcissism." But some Christian leaders say they aren't playing God; they're just carrying out his will. Ted Haggard, president of the National Assn. of Evangelicals, says the commitment to fulfilling the Great Commission has naturally intensified along with the technological advances God provided to carry out his plans. Over in Mississippi, Lott believes that he is doing God's work, and that is why he wants to raise a few head of red heifers for Jewish high priests. Citing Scripture, Lott and others say a pure red heifer must be sacrificed and burned and its ashes used in purification rituals to allow Jews to rebuild the temple. But Lott's plans have been sidetracked. Facing a maze of red tape and testing involved in shipping animals overseas — and rumors of threats from Arabs and Jews alike who say the cows would only bring more trouble to the Middle East — he has given up on plans to fly planeloads of cows to Israel. For now. In the meantime, some local ranchers have expressed an interest in raising their own red heifers for Israel, and fears of hoof-and-mouth disease and blue tongue forced Lott to relocate his only verified red heifer — a female born in 1993 — to Nebraska. Cloning is out of the question, he said, because the technique "is not approved by the rabbinical council of Israel." Artificial insemination has so far failed to produce another heifer certified by rabbis. "Something deep in my heart says God wants me to be a blessing to Israel," Lott said in a telephone interview. "But it's complicated. We're just not ready to send any red heifers over there." If not now, when? "If there's a sovereign God with his hand in the affairs of men, it'll happen, and it'll be a pivotal event," he said. "That time is soon. Very soon."

^^alright Xiin. Originally posted by Khalaf: lol Me did u read about no nationalism-triblism-somalinimo in a state check out this website: http://www.islamworld.net/ read: Signs of Day of Judgment and Life After Death. and let me know what u think. cool? Also as Muslims we shouldnt worry much about the end of days...our goal should be to follow the Quran with Knowledge and behave like the Prophet in deeds and in character. The Prophet pbuh said: be in the world as though you were a stranger or traveler. Thus know we are only here temporally...thats more important but check out the website. Khalaf I am not anti-Islamic. I am in favour of Islam and Islamic government actually if it will allow us Somalis to keep our culture and language and it lets us celebrate our heritage. I am against Arabism disguised as Islam. Somali Nationalism and Islam can go together. Somalinimo recognizes that Islam and only Islam is the only religion of Somalia and that our laws should be derived from our culture(xeer) and religion. If ya'll surwaalgaabs try to mess with Somalinimo you will be get rid of just like the warlords. So please respect our culture and respect the symbols of our nation. If you use Somalinimo wisely, you will get further then you would ever get in uniting Somali. Don't burn our flags anymore PLEZ. Respect our nation. Respect our history. Islam recognizes tribes and nations. Islam does not say that we need to destroy nations and nationalism. The Ummah will be reseructed by stronger nations that are working together. Lets build a strong Somalia that can play a major role in teh ressurectrion of the UMMAH. Lets build a strong but tolerant nation, that respects human life, that respects diversity. Islam is not an opressive religion, it is the religion of peace, it is the religion of tolerance, islam is about the submission of the believer to God and this submission will not be done by force, it should be by CHOICE. Lets hope ya'll surwaalgaabs realize that. We don't all have to agree with you, but accept us as we are for the common good and you will have partners in those who believe in Somalinimo. Work against Somalinimo and you will dig your own grave.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: End of the world, eh? I rather think it’s more like Coming Kingdom ! ME, we will discuss saaxiib IA. Afur wanaagsan all! When will you discuss this?

^^ Will they pay the people? or will they just take their weapons away? can people still keep small arms in their houses?