Originally posted by Cambarro: "Inter-clan warfare is a part of hawd lifestyle" You wanna send me there? :eek: You make it (Hawd) sound so romantic and very appealing. Hawd is a very nice place, I want a Geeljire Touring Agency. maybe show people from the diaspora around. Like those guided tours. Something like 1200 pounds for 2 weeks Hawd. Flight, Food & accomodation included.

Mannnn, you haven't been there in ages. My last times where 1989 and 1997. Even thats a long long time ago. I hope they haven't messed it up. Inter-clan warfare is a part of hawd lifestyle they have been fighting for centuries waxba iskama qaadaan kuwaasi. One minute they are cousins the next minute they are killin each other, the next minute they are swapping girls.

Dharkayn geeye, Buuhoodle, marqaan. have you seen the old rusting Ethiopian tanks from 1982 and 1984? I love that name Wanaagsan. Havent been there but would sure like to see a town with that name.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: ^^^^War adigu ma tagtay horta? Haa waa tagay. Hadii kale ma anaa kaaga sheekayn lahaa.

Originally posted by Cambarro: Libaax ma jiro? Going to the miyi doesnt do your skin any favours though. When i go back this December, I intend to take plenty of pictures and perhaps take my camcorder. ' Libaax waa jiraa, but are you a Somali Woman or what? No overgrown cat should ever scare you and I heard libaaxs are allergic to AK47 so pack some heat. About doing your skin any favours, I have no reply to that, all I can tell you now is fashion changed, Dark skinned girls are in.

^^ Miyiga hawdka is the best Miyi in Somalia (YES EVEN BETTER THEN NUGAAL, lets not talk about MUDUG). Its like Miyi was intended to be. It will open your eyes and destress you AAliyah, don't listen to this guy. The stars at night, the sun coming up, the camels and camel milk, the greenery, the wild animal noises, the fear of being eaten by a wild animal. The people!!! No other holiday will offer you as much as that exitement. Its not a hoiday its the experience of a life time. Its learning Somali culture. All cities are alike. But Miyi is something else. Just see it for yourself, people either HATE it of LOVE it, there is no middle ground.

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Now I am totally convinced it is the Sheikh that they are torturing on that video. This piece below is from http://www.somalilandnet.com/news/wnews/headline/13372204.shtml Somalilandnet.com is hardy an anti-secessionist media outlet and the people that they interviewing are members of the secessionist mafia. So read it for yourself and make up your own mind. Sheekha Waxaannu Weydiinay Ma Lagu Jidh-dilay? Haa, oo Waxa...’ Oct 03 2006 Hargeysa (Jam)- Wasiir-ku-xigeenka Wasaaradda Caddaaladda Somaliland, Md. Yuusuf Ciise Ducaale (Tallaabo), ayaa ku tilmaamay Sheekh Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil iyo cajaladda fiidyowga ah ee laga faafiyey mid siyaasadeed oo gabbood lagaga dhiganayo arrintiisa. “Wadaadka aannu u tagnay [Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil] waxa uu ahaa sheekh gabood siyaasadeed lagu abaabulayo arrintiisa oo ulo booc ah loogu tukubayo ayuu ahaa.” Md. Tallaabo, oo hadalkan ka sheegay shir-jaraa’id oo uu shalay ku qabtay xafiiska, kaas oo saxaafadda xog-warran kaga siiyey kulan ay Xabsiga Dhexe ee Hargeysa isaga [Tallaabo] iyo masuuliyiin ka tirsan Komishanka Xuquuqal-insaanka Qaranka (National Human Right Commission) kula yeesheen Sh. Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil, oo ah maxbuuska muuqiisa lagu shaaciyey cajalad fiidyow ah oo muujinaysa muuqaallo falal jidh-dil ah lagu samaynayo. Wasiir-ku-xigeenka oo faahfaahinayey sida ay ku tageen Xabsiga Dhexe iyo qaabkii ay ula kulmeen Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil, waxa uu yidhi; “Annaga oo wada socona Komishanka Xuquuqal-insaanka Qaranka, ayaa shalay [dorraad] waxaannu tagnay Jeelka. Xafiiska taliyaha ayaannu ugu yeedhnay [maxbuuska].” Intaa kadib, waxa uu ka warramay muddadii ay la joogeen Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil iyo waxyaabiyihii ay ka warsadeen. “Sheekha waxaannu la joognay 45 daqiiqo, waxaannu sheekhu hadalkiisa nooga dhigay laba qaybood – qayb dheer oo uu kaga hadlayo tabasho uu kaga hadlayo aabbahay iyo xaaskaygii baa war laga sheegay – isaga oo tixraacaya khudbad uu akhriyey Wasiirka Daakhiliga [Cabdillaahi-cirro] iyo kiiskiisii oo uu dhalan-gediyey qodobaddii uu ku eedaysnaa oo ahaa Q.222aad, kana dhigay in uu ku eedaysan yahay inqilaab uu la dhigay niman SNM ah.” Md.Tallaabo iyo xubnaha kale ee ka socday Komishanka Xuquuqal-insaanka Qaranka, oo ay ujeeddada booqashadoodu ahayd in ay Sheekha wax ka weydiiyaan jiritaanka muuqaalka cajaladda fiidyowga ah ee lagu faafiyey shabakadaha internet-ka, waxa uu Wasiir-ku-xigeenku sheegay in ay weydiiyeen dhowr su’aalood. “Waxaannu weydiinay [Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil] saddex su’aalood: Kow; Maxamedoow ma jirtaa in lagu jidh-dilay? ‘Haa,’ ayuu yidhi. Waxaannu weydiinay; maxaa lagugu dili jiray? ‘Suun,’ ayuu yidhi; ‘work-talk-ga halkaa yaal, aalad le’eg oo kale oo ahayd laydh yar oo jac kaa siinaya.’ Waxa kale oo aannu su’aalnay yaa ku dili jiray? ‘Dad madax duuban,’ ayuu yidhi. Waxaannu weydiinay; maxaad muddadaas oo dhan u sheegi wayday? Waxa uu yidhi; ‘cajaladda ayaa xagga dawladda ku maqnayd oo inta aannu ka soo saarayno ayaannu sugaynay.” Markii ay intaas is-dhaafsadeen, waxa uu Md. Tallaabo sheegay in uu Sheekhu weydiiyey; bal sida dadku u dareemeen arrintiisa, isla markaana ay ugu jawaabeen; “Waxay dadku qabaan in cajaladdani samays tahay, oo nin aad wallaalo tihiin oo Internet-ka Baar Jabuuti ku yaalla lagu sameeyey, qolo Maraykan ka timina ay hindisaha iyo arrimaha idinla hagaajiyeen.” Mudane Tallaabo, oo tacliiq ka bixinayey la kulanka Sheekha, waxyaabaha uu ku soo arkay iyo aqoontiisa ku wajahan xadhigga iyo arrimaha xabsiyada, waxa uu yidhi; “Aniga oo ka faa’iidaysanaya waayo-aragnimada aan u leeyahay xadhigga iyo xabsiyada…. Waayo, 13 jeer ayaa la i xidhay. Saddex goor oo ka mid ahna xabsiga Sh. Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil ku jiro iyo qolka uu ku xidhan yahay ayaan ku xidhnaa. Haddaba, qof waliba rajiimka xidha wuu neceb yahay, markaa horta waxa iiga muuqday Sheekha mucaaradad adag oo wax abaabulaysa.” Wasiir-ku-xigeenkii markii uu dhammeeyey ka xog-warranka waxyaabihii ay is-dhaafsadeen Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil, waxa uu tafaasiil dheer ka bixiyey dhaqdhaqaaqyadan iyo arrimaha hadda socda, kuwaas oo uu ku tilmaamay in ay yihiin qaar lagu minjo-xaabinayo madaxbannaanida iyo jiritaanka Somaliland. Isaga oo arrintaa ka hadlayeyna waxa uu yidhi; “Horta saddex qaybood ayey wax u socdaan; saddexda qayboodna Somaliland jiritaankeeda way ka soo horjeedaan.” Md. Tallaabo, oo arrimahaa sharraxayeyna waxa uu intaa raaciyey oo yidhi; “Middi waa hay’adaha UN-ta oo siminaarro iyo work-shop-yo dadka u qabanaya, kuwaas oo ay marna xaggaa [koonfurta Soomaaliya] geynayaan, marna halkan [somaliland] isugu keenayaan. Haddii aad dhegaysataan marka warbixinaha Soomaaliya la sheegayo, waxay yidhaahdaan hay’adaha federaalka ahi waa laamaha ururrada ee kala duwan, waana qorshaha caalamiga ah ee ku wajahan in la mideeyo Soomaaliya. Qaabkaas waxa kale oo ku hoos jira in dadka adag dawladda laga dhammeeyo, waa hab caalami ah oo ay ku shaqeeyaan dadka mukhaabaraadka ahi. Waayo, gorgorka marba baal ayaa laga rifaa ilaa inta uu duuli kari waayo marka dambe. Qorshaha caalamku dawladeenna ula dagaalamayaa waa noocaas. Tan labaad; waxa arrintaa dhinac socda Tabliiq. Isaguna 20 iyo 40 cisho dadka u saaraya, Baydhabo ayaa la geynayaa, Ijtimaaciina Xamar baa lagu qabanayaa. Arrimahaas oo dhammi waa siminaar iyo work-shop is-barbar socda. Labadaasina goonni-isu-taagga Somaliland waa u dhibaato cidda wada, waayo, labaduna waa midayn. Waxa kale oo jira arrimo dhulka hoostiisa socda oo qorshahoodu yahay ku du’ dareenka dadweynaha dawladda, kaas oo ah mid dadka lagu celcelinayo odhaaha ah; dawladdu way xun tahay, kacaanku wuu xun yahay, aakhirkiina dadku waxay yidhaahdaan dawladdu way xun tahay.” Arrimahaas oo uu Md. Tallaabo ku tilmaamay kuwo la mid ah qaababkii bulshada lagu abaabuli jiray waqtigii halgankii SNM. Dhammaan ujeeddooyinka dhacdooyinkaas waxa uu ku sifeeyey in ay yihiin qaar salka ku haya koonfur iyo Xamar jacaylkeeda. Shirkaa-jaraa’id kadib, waxa ay suxufiyiintu su’aalo weydiiyeen Wasiir-ku-xigeenka, kuwaas oo u dhacay sidan: Su’aal: Waxaad sheegtay in aad maxbuuska booqateen, Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil muxuu idiin sheegay jidh-dil noocee ah ayaa lagu sameeyey, miyaadse ka dareenteen? Jawaab: Waxaannu weydiinay annaga oo saaxiib ah. Waxa uu noo sheegay; ‘suun ayaa layla dhici jiray, kaadidii iyo baytalmiigii waa la ii diiday, oo Maxamed Cige ayaa markii dambe ii fasaxay oo markaa Jananka Bilayska ahaa. Waxa kale oo la igu samayn jiray qalab lagu jacsiin jiray jidhkayga, nabarro uu igu sameeyeyna ma jirin. Muddo dabada ayaa dhiig iga shumbayey.’ ma nabarro caloosha lagaaga dhuftay bay ahaayeen ayaannu weydiinay; ‘maya,’ ayuu yidhi; ‘laakiin dabada ayaa laad la igaga dhuftay.’ Wax aannu qaadanaana way ka soo gu’i waayeen wadaadka. S: Mar haddii arrinta Sheekha mudaharaad laga dhigay sow loo arki maayo Somaliland meel jidh-dil ku samaysa maxaabiista, maxaad xukuumada ahaan arrintaa kaga hortegaysaan? J: Horta sheekadani waa arrintii Samsam oo kale ee aynu nidhi kaalaya Jimciyadda Quruumaha oo dhakhaatiir keena ee waxba laga waayey, ee haddana internet-ka ku wareegi jirtay. Arrinku waa arrinkii, inta yar ee sawirka ah ayaa ku soo biirtay, markaa niman culimo iyo dhakhaatiir ahi way tageen Jeelka oo waxay ka soo saarayaan go’aan.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ The story was. But it was all about that infamous video and most discussions were about it being a real video or a fake one. We never got to the part where we confirmed that the man in the video was the actual sheikh and that he was indeed being tortured. Now you tell me that it’s been confirmed, and I believe you, but being the finicky kind that I am wouldn’t mind you directing me to a link that corroborates that. No you are misunderstood me. I said I AM NOT SURE IF THE MAN ON THE VIDEO IS THE REAL SHEIKH. but it is confirmed THE REAL SHEIKH exists and he is in an Hargeysa Jail, it is also confirmed that the REAL sheikh has been tortured by the secessionist mafia.

^^ I am not sure about the video, but the sheikh is held captive and he is being tortured, people in the secessionist enclave have confirmed that. NGONGE you must have been sleeping, the sheikh's story was the main topic on SOL for weeks. Maybe you was on Ibiza when that was happening.

Come on that would be some publicity stunt, if they can plan a raid like that and execute it. 1. They released an innocent man. 2. Allot of people might be inspired by their courage. 3. The media would love it. 4. It would show how weak the secessionist mafia is. 5. It would inspire their soldiers. 6. It woudl create a myth of invincibility. It would be the Entebbe of the ICU (yes I compared them with Israel). Hmmmmmmm, I would have done it if I was them.

^^^he is preparing a commando raid on Hargeysa jail. Remember Rambo promised he would release the wadaad held there. Yes the secessionist mafia is still holding and torturing the wadaad in Hargeysa.

Badacase, This tread is about THE PUNTLAND DICTATORSHIP. Please do not try to hijack this tread. I know that you feel ignored, I know that the secessionist mafia feels ignored, but the world doesn't revolve around you and people that think like you. Thank you

The girl is insecure end of story. Conversations go everywhere, if they went to the T word or the ex/gf it doesnt mean he is hung up. It means he was open and he was talking with her in an open way. Anyhow she was wrong, she was insecure where she didnt have to. Good luck to her.

Thanx walaal, I wish you all the best too.

I will be suprised if you can find a Somali community in ICeland, Greenland or Tahiti. The rest we have had it. I know of a Somali community in Brazil, Cuba & China. I also know of Somalis in Tajikistan. Dave would you liek to ahve pictures of all communities or just the communities you didn´t expect they existed.

Nahhhhhhh, no war homie. Don´t get angry, its just words. We are just discussing few things nothing to get angry about. Just give your opinions and I will do the same and thats about it. No hard feelings needed. Friends? YES NO

Originally posted by Sakhar: Brother me, we could insult each other all day, but I doubt it very much, that anything constructive would come out of it! Walaal aan is dayno! Baraanburkaaga iska dhageyso, certainly I won't disturb you listening to Ayeeyo Butaceey in anyway, form or shape! Me, Miyaad la bood-booda markaad baranburkeeda ku raaxaaysanaysid? Not literally but I could imagine you, listening to your favourtie buranbur and then screaming the alalas! I try not to think of it nor mention your little past-time secret(promise)! HUH? Anyways ha kuu shidnaato, kuuna macaanaato!

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Red Sea, are you somewhat allergic to the word or something? Odayga 12 step pragramme ayuu ku jiraa, hadalka haduu maqlo, qac buu dhahayaa. Mr. Red Sea, noo sheeg bal goormaad toobad keentay? waligaa wadaad iska doon maadan ahayn wey kaa muuqataaye.

The war transformed Buuhoodle in the sense allot of reer Buuhoodle who used to live in Mogadisho and the South, moved back home after the war broke out in the South. The reer buuhoodle in the diaspora also invested in building up Buuhoodle, not as much as they could but you can see the differance. AAliyah this is what i tell everyone going to Somalia for holidays. Skip the cities/towns and head straight for MIYI. BTW Somalia doesnt need us, we need Somalia. Somalis in the diaspora need to stop kidding themselves, the Somalis in Somalia are perfectly capable of doing their own thing. Its no longer our country, they own it now. Hopefully they will let us participate in the rebuilding and let us come back. We need Somalia more then Somalia needs us.

Isn't Sakhar short for Sakharaan? War with the secessionists? we'll if I was a leader of a territory and someone invaded it, then yes I would fight over it. I expect that of any leader. Cade Muuse or any other Somali warlord including Riyaale, A/Y and Geedi are not held accountable for their actions. So don't be just an appologists for these people, ask for better leadership. And yara neefso maanta secessionist mafia dhiig kar kuma ridayo, iska yara naso.

No the moral is woman should never rule.

Originally posted by Sakhar: me brother, You're violating our beautiful religion, I'd urge you to stop your 'fitnah'! And now Puntland is a religion. I used to think the secessionist mafia were a strange bunch, but this beats everything. Sakharaan easy on the firewater.

This song hit me, does anyone know the artists name?