^^ regulating is a good idea and tax it too, but then the cheap imported jaad will still be smuggled in. Jaad can't be banned and shouldnt be banned, it should be regulated and taxed, it would give the government a steady income.

ICU is singing the right tune, if only the TFG traitors had the guts to speak out for whats right instead of being Amxaaro dabadhilifs. All Somali patriots are united in bringing together all the Somali territories . NFD and Western Somalia should be liberated by all means necessary.

Nice piece thanx Djib.

The Derg reincarnated in the form of the CUD By: A. Duale Sii'arag November 12, 2006 Editor’s Note: A. Duale Si’arag, a contributor at large to WardherNews, dissects in this poignant piece, with much condemnation and vitriolic verdict, the political irrelevancy of Ethiopia’s opposition party, who has proven to the ruling Ethiopia Tigrean dominated Wayane a tough lot to crack down. The writer argues that the opposition party, CUD, is a re-assembled Derg cadres and Amhara ethnic chauvinists, whose un-comporomising ethnic superiority to the rest of the country’s multiple nationalities could succumb this country of over 70 million people into a frightening ethnic conflict. WardheerNews welcomes an opposing viewpoint to this indicting piece. The Derg reincarnated in the form of the CUD What are the Coalition of Unity and Democracy (CUD) in essence? What does it stand for in reality? Is it a brand new entity or a regeneration of a ruthless old band that hadn’t vanished as expected but remained clandestinely operational in the course of the past 14 long years? Who are the core constituents of the resurrected CUD? To better understand the CUD phenomenon and get the comprehensive picture, let us take a quick look at the political background of the group. Taking advantage of the new federal system in Ethiopia and EPRDF’s initial policy of magnanimity towards its former archenemies, the much-despised Ethiopia Workers Party (EWP), the notorious communist party of the Derg Regime that committed horrendous crimes against humanity, has been resurrected in the form of yet another sinister entity, the CUD. During the reign of the military dictatorship, members of the EWP inundated the entire edifice of the civil service. Recruitment of personnel for the civil service was then subjected to stern and rigorous vetting performed by the infamous Indoctrination Branch of the EWP and its loathsome affiliate, the Secret Service Department of the EWP, which were groomed both by KGB operatives and secret service agents of then East Germany. Employees of international aid agencies and foreign diplomatic missions based in Ethiopia were also subjected to similar process of vetting and background checks. Consequently, the ever-suspicious and over-sensitive EWP had retained numerous undercover moles within these establishments. Regardless of their professional background or qualifications, no one was indeed allowed to join either the civil service or staff of foreign missions based in Ethiopia without obtaining prior clearance from the communist party apparatchiks. In the absence of equal employment opportunities, only loyalist and devoted party stalwarts gained access to the civil service, including line ministries and departments, financial institutions, national corporations, commissions and boards. From telecommunication to customs to electricity and Ethiopian Airlines, the entire system of government was hence crowded by loyalists and collaborators of the military dictatorship. The bulk of these loyalists who took firm control of the establishment, state machinery and the bureaucracy hailed from a single ethnic stock, the Amhara. Subsequent to the downfall of the Derg regime in 1991, the EPRDF has inherited the entire workforce of the EWP excepting its commander-in-chief, Mengistu Haile Mariam and some senior officers who fled the country. Ironically, many of the hardhearted Marxist zealots and high-ranking officials of the Derg who played awful roles in the military dictatorship have sought sanctuary in the most unlikely of all places, the United States, and not the most-favored Soviet Union. Such apparent vault-face would have been far-fetched without the development of extraordinary historical events in far a field. Phenomenally, the Derg’s downfall coincided with the demise of the Soviet Union. Apprehensive of being prosecuted for crimes committed against the peoples of Ethiopia, the bulk of the active members of the EWP assumed a low profile existence in the formative years of the EPRDF revolution. Spared from the anticipated retributions, many turncoats quickly infiltrated into the EPRDF party; with no intention to either embrace the ideals of the EPRDF or to assimilate. Having implanted themselves fully into the system, they started to clandestinely operate from within the EPRDF establishment, with the view of derailing the EPRDF machinery and undoing its functions. In the ensuing years, the charlatans of the EWP continued their quiet penetration into the system of government, flourishing under the shadows of the EPRDF. Hence, the remnants of the Derg have gained a new lease of life. To vandalize the system, the members of the EWP communist party were painstakingly rebuilding a network of secret cells in the workplace to undermine the authority of key institutions and distort the real picture. Consequently, in the course of the past decade, using a vast network of disguised subversive cells, the EWP insiders were engaged in leaking and distorting vital government information, in sabotaging many of the progressive and innovative policies of the EPRDF and in plotting bloodless coup from within the EPRDF. Through protracted subversion, the EWP has succeeded in resurrecting the dead. Resurrected, the EWP has finally transformed itself from a seemingly defunct entity to a fully revamped party. Regrouped and reoriented, the card-carrying members of the EWP have finally resurfaced with vengeance, in the shape of CUD. The born-again EWP has a new three-letter abbreviation, but its content, composition and substance remains unchanged. Its old-fashioned aims and objectives are unaltered. CUD’s rage against the Federal System In order to redress age-old injustices, exploitation and marginalization suffered by various communities in Ethiopia, the EPRDF has introduced a federal system of government that gave birth to several autonomous regional administrations, in early 1990s. The federal system was initiated to enable communities to govern their local affairs and put an end to single-ethnic domination of state. The federal order has since enjoyed wide-ranging popular support from most of the Ethiopian communities, particularly those that dwell in previously neglected peripheries or those fated in the past to bear the brunt of state-orchestrated inhuman atrocities, injustice, discrimination and widespread public humiliation and mistreatment. In the past decade, communities have gained tremendously from the new order and are determined to defend it. The rule of law that protects the rights of the erstwhile-neglected or marginalized minorities is enshrined within the parameters of the federal order. Each and every ethnic group in the country is aptly trying to make the best use of its hard-won constitutional rights and enjoy all the trappings of the federal system. The federal system is thus sacred to the public. It is thus inviolable and irreversible. That sacred cow, the federal system, is currently under intense attack. The assault emanates from the traditional enemies of decentralization, democracy and the federal order. Centralists and members of the old guard have joined forces to reverse the federal order. The Amhara chauvinists, who constitute the backbone of the Coalition of Unity and Democracy (CUD), would like to forcibly resurrect their ethnic hegemony on Ethiopian politics. The CUD has adopted the Machiavellian doctrine: The goals justify any means. So it is determined to seize power by fair means or foul. They have publicly announced that they will abolish the constitution and nullify the federal system, if they return to power. They are ferociously trying to reverse the gains of the EPRDF revolution that brought about real and positive changes in the lives of millions of Ethiopians. If the CUD has its way, it will stoke the flame of extremism and ruin the hope nurtured in the hearts of the people during the past decade. If it succeeds, all the progress of the past decade would be reversed, too. The CUD’s narrow, single-ethnic-based agenda and the aristocratic mindset of its leadership is its major Achilles' heel. Fanatical and narrow-minded extremists of the CUD believe that they belong to a “Super ethnic” that is divinely mandated to rule the peoples of Ethiopia. Based on false presumptions, they regard themselves as hailing from a superior ethnic and look down on other ethnics as inferior and insignificant. They see themselves as the embodiment of the traditional rulers of Ethiopia. They believe that they have a right of tutelage over others. They are unable to appreciate that Ethiopia is a country of blissful diversity: multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-linguistic and multi-creed - an idyllic platform where a rainbow of miscellaneous customs and creeds converge to cultivate symbiotic co-existence. Detached from the ground reality, the CUD leadership has the tendency to view its immediate environment with tainted spectacles of self-righteousness and bigotry, shielding against fundamental values of democracy, liberalism, social equality, and human rights. They are preoccupied with unfounded and unrealistic myopic myths and are unable to grasp the objective political realities in the country. In a culturally and ethnically heterogeneous country like Ethiopia, the CUD postulated concept of a “super ethnic” is simply anathema to most people. The “super ethnic” supposition is akin to that of the Master Race (Herrenrasse) concept in the Nazi ideology and the contemporary White Supremacy movement that upholds the notion of a superior “race” or “ethnic” with a birthright to rule. It is a dangerous, divisive and destructive credo that is likely to trigger bloody ethnic conflicts in Ethiopia. It also defies logic and commonsense. The politics of Ethnocentrism Another troubling aspect of CUD phenomenon, which is likely to determine the significance and longevity of its politics, is its entrenched ethnocentric policy credentials. Terms such as ethnocentrism, prejudice, stereotype, xenophobia, and racism stem from deep-seated believe in imaginative mythical sense of supremacy embedded in the mindset of certain groups afflicted with superiority-complex syndrome. Attitudes of superiority and ethnocentrism also stem from ignorance of other ethnic groups and assumed insecurity. Ignorance nurtures suspicion, ambiguity and stereotypical impressions of other ethnics which only increase feelings of superiority. Moreover, feelings of hostility and superiority towards others result from deep sense of insecurity. Ethnocentrism triggers insecurity as a defensive response to divergence or ethnic difference. In reality, ethnocentrism parallels racial chauvinism, and is indeed anathema to diversity. It elevates one ethnic above others as superior. Hence, the ethnocentric venture of the CUD is a major threat to the harmonious ethnic diversity of Ethiopia. From Rwanda to Yugoslavia and Darfur, ethnic chauvinism is often the cause of ethnic conflicts. Ethnocentric political leaders prey upon the lurking fears and disgruntlement of their constituencies to galvanize support for their political aims. Ethnocentric and over-ambitious political leaders ruthlessly encourage ethnic discord for personal political and financial gains. Exploiting the latent ethnic passions of unsuspecting ordinary citizens, political opportunists have the tendency to portray themselves as the sole champions of public interest, whilst determined to further a narrow agenda of specific interest to certain privileged groups. Propelling forward a purely ethnocentric agenda, the CUD leadership is currently pursuing a two track policy: 1) agitation and radicalization of youth in their constituencies, 2) dissemination of hostile, divisive hate messages intended to wage rift between communities, ethnic and tribal groups and undermine the prevailing peace and stability in the country. Borrowing a fateful leaf from their likeminded counterparts in Bosnia, Rwanda, Kosovo, Darfur and elsewhere, they are inculcating their members with false, misleading and provocative misinformation. Unsuspecting ordinary citizens are the potential easy preys for CUD’s glossed over statements, hollow rhetoric and unrelenting propaganda campaigns. The politics of hate has been given a free rein. There is grassroots opposition to CUD’s policies. The unpredictable agenda of the CUD and its deceptive political manifesto is already unnerving ethnic minorities across Ethiopia. The people are too conscious to be fooled. They know that the CUD is a snake in the grass. The CUD should therefore understand that if it continues to disregard the sanctity of the constitution, the federal system and the rule of the law, it will have no place in Ethiopian politics. The CUD should uphold the supremacy of the rule of law by rejecting violence and subversion as a means of effecting change. The CUD should know that hysterical nostalgia for lost grandeur is not a substitute for a political program. And its day of reckoning is nearing. By A. Du'ale Sii’arag, E-Mail: baxaal@yahoo.com WardheerNews Contributor at Large Mr. A. Duale Sii'arag has also published the following articles @WardheerNews: 1 The Challenge to Social life in Hargeisa 2 A Reality Check on Ismail Omar Guelleh 3 The Birth and Rise of Al-Ittihad Al-Islami in the Somali Inhabited Regions in the Horn of Africa Maqaalkani wuxuu ka turjumayaa aragtida Qoraaga loomana fasiran karo tan WardheerNews Copyright © 2006 Wardheernews.com

IRAQ AND America’s COMING NIGHTMARE By: Said S. Samatar November 6,2006 Editor’s Note: The US invasion of Iraq is one of the most covered and most painfully debated subjects of the 21st Century. It is a question that has created deep divisions within both the right and the left circles. In the right, for example, F. Fukiyama, the author of “The End of History,” has made complete ideological switch over from his neo-conservative position to a position that agrees more with the liberal interpretation of the Iraq fiasco. On the other hand, Christopher Hitchens, founder of America’s premier leftist magazine, “The Nation,” the defender of the Palestinian question in the West and author of “The Contrarian,” is today in the same circle as ultra conservatives as David Horowitz and Ann Coulter. It appears that very few people in the West correctly understood the Iraq history and how much its people, or sections of its society at least, would resist an invasion by a western county prior to the now infamous, over-spent “awe and shock.” Professor Said Samatar, a regular contributor to Wardheernews, however correctly and rightly predicted in this insightful piece that he wrote at the wake of America’s highly publicized “awe and shock” against Iraq, that a) America's venture in Iraq will end in an American tragedy b) the American fiasco in Iraq will cost the Republican party their political dominance. The first has happened, the second may happen tomorrow. The current debate about the Iraq war is not any more how to win, but when to “cut and run.” It is indeed this current fate of a total reversal of American policy that exonerates professor Samatar’s by far one of the best assessments of the Iraq question. His minor off-the mark prediction of a complete defiance of Sadam Hussein is excusable if one attributes such and un-compromising defiance to the overall Iraq society. This piece undoubtedly puts Professor Samatar in a rare camp of scholars and intellectuals where only a handful have correctly diagnosed what could come out of the US invasion of Iraq; and it makes a good read in light of tomorrow’s election where Iraq is central to the entire election. IRAQ AND America’s COMING NIGHTMARE America is poised to unleash, within hours, an apocalyptic firestorm of combined land, air and naval assault on Iraq. The attack signals the opening of a campaign that will probably go down as history’s most needless war. It will also turn out, initially, to be the easiest, shortest and the lightest in casualty war America has ever fought. General Tommy Franks, commander of the allied expeditionary force whose troops are amassed within a striking distance of Iraq, will have his tanks moving faster than George Patton’s, surely to make Baghdad his within a matter of days. Saddam’s ramshackle divisions, ill-equipped, demoralized and depleted in ranks, are unlikely to stand and fight before the awesome show of allied firepower. On the contrary, in quick order they will surrender en masse to the Americans, or run like rats from a sinking ship. Not that the Iraqi soldiers are a patsy lot, but only that they have little will and less incentive to fight for a dictator who has butchered over the years friends and family members by the thousands. For his part, Mr. Hussein will neither surrender, nor fly into exile nor allow himself to be captured alive. He will be dead long before Franks reaches the banks of the Tigris-Euphrates River, probably by the hands of his body guards who will, once they realize the dice turning against him, cast lots over who among them will have the honor of dispatching him. As Saddam himself once put it morbidly, “not a sliver of his body will be found,” which shall have been neatly cut up into tiny portions and taken apiece to adorn the living parlors of Iraqi society houses as valued trophies. The newly liberated Iraqi people will take to the streets by the thousands in instantaneous jubilation; General Franks, who will be feted as the champion of their freedom, will enter in triumphal march; his hands will grow sore from the kisses of worshiping masses as the city of Baghdad echoes with massive rejoicings. The General will occupy Saddam’s chair at the Republican Palace, no doubt to be infected with an itching sense of being a latter-day Douglas McArthur, just as McArthur at the surrender of Japan entertained notions of himself as a latter-day Caesar. But Iraq is not Japan, and the General’s – and America’s – nightmare will begin the morning after. The Mesopotamian soil, from the Sumerian epoch to the present, has tended to spawn a peculiar brand of unruly souls Unlike Japan, Iraq resists orderly government; its people are not a coherent nation but a patchwork of conflicting tribal and sectarian antagonists settled in sharply divided villages that have been at each other’s throat since Nebuchadnezzar times. Among Arabs the Iraqis have a reputation as being matchless in ferocity, sanguinary in internecine killings and legendary for being ungovernable. Consider the likely concatenation of these challenges: on the day after allied occupation of Iraq, the new MacArthur will have to rush Special Forces to Saddam’s home districts to prevent a bloodbath of revenge killings on the fallen dictator’s kith and kin; simultaneously allied contingents will have to be dispatched post haste to the south to stop the two Shiite factions, Ayatollah Muhammad al-Hakim’s pro-Iranian brigades and their opponents from engulfing the Marsh Arabs in an orgy of intra-ideological genocidal slaughter; meanwhile allied troops must be deployed, a rather unenviable task, in the bazaars, alleys and byways of Baghdad to forestall an indiscriminate massacre of the long-privileged-Sunni minority by the ages-aggrieved Shiite majority who nourish unspeakable hatred for their erstwhile Sunni oppressors. Then there are the Kurds of the north, who are part of a nation without a state, whose members, some forty million strong, are scattered among four countries–Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq. The Kurds have long yearned to unify their dismembered nation and, in the fluidity of changing regimes and in the new freedom from the threat of extinction by Saddam, may seek to fight for a nation-state. A unified Kurdistan will not only mean the end of Iraq as a country but will also seriously undermine the territorial integrity of Turkey, America’s indispensable ally in the region. There is nothing that prompts the Turks to go ballistic more than the thought of a re-constructed Kurdistan. General Franks will have to deploy a considerable force in northern Iraq to quash the rise of any nascent pan-Kurdish nationalism. The General’s likely troubles are far from being totally accounted for. Al-Qaeda operatives, taking advantage of the ferment in a new Iraq on the throes of reconstituting itself, are all but certain to infiltrate the country in droves and, striking an alliance with remnants of Saddam loyalists, will engage the “new liberators” in bouts of urban warfare with no visible enemies to combat and no targets to hit, but only the ghoulish (a fittingly Arabic word) exercise of street fights against ragtag hit-and-runners slinking into dark alleys, when fired upon, only to re-emerge with deadly sniper fire on the hapless Americans in their cumbersome fatigues(remember Mogadishu?). American body bags will pile up. Far from inspiring in the Middle East a new era of peace and prosperity, America’s occupation of Baghdad, the cultural capital of the Arab world, will stir an unparalleled anti-Americanism. As America comes more and more to be seen an occupying great Satan rather than a redeeming liberator, Islamic sensibilities throughout the world will be further inflamed against the U.S in particular, and against the West in general. U. S. prestige will sink to new lows in the entire Middle East. A plague of terrorism against American interests is bound to break out all over, at home and abroad. Meanwhile a message to the huddled mass of Democrats mournfully wringing their hands about the emergence of a Republican dictatorship in America: Don’t Worry, Be Happy: Iraq will do away with this problem for you! Professor Siad Samatar Dept. of History Rugers University New Jersey, USA Maqaalkani wuxuu ka turjumayaa aragtida Qoraaga loomana fasiran karo tan WardheerNews Copyright © 2006 Wardheernews.com from: http://www.wardheernews.com/Articles_06/November_06/06_Iraq_&_America_Said_Samatar.html

Originally posted by Khalaf: ^^^loool My BROTHER! Fist in da air. Allahu Akbar hijack dis thread no jokes. Hijacking the thread huh? lets keep it with singers people, maybe start a new thread for reciters.

Dear surwaalgaabs, Singers not reciters!

^^^ go back to sleep Xabash, Somaliweyn is live and kicking!

I agree with these bans. Come on people we all know how bad Jaad is for our people. The ICU is doing something about it. Why don't we suport them in their goals to ban jaad? It won't go in one day, but its going step by step. Kismayo first now Muqdisho, we have also seen how they did it in Baladweyne. Those are all positive steps by the ICU. No other entity has been that couragious. Lets hope that one day we can have a jaad free Somalia.

Father's Age May Play Role in Autism Risk by Jon Hamilton All Things Considered, September 5, 2006 · A study of children born in Israel finds that, as a man's age increases, so does his risk of fathering a child with autism. Until a few years ago, scientists who study childhood disorders tended to focus on risks related to a mother's age. Their research showed, for example, that older moms were more likely to have a child born with a problem such as Down syndrome. Then a few scientists started asking whether a father's age mattered, too. Abraham Reichenberg, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, says they soon found evidence that it did. A series of studies showed an association between paternal age and schizophrenia. "It made us wonder if there was something in autism," says Reichenberg. Both conditions have a genetic component and appear to involve subtle changes to a child's developing brain. So Reichenberg led a team of scientists that studied more than 300,000 children born in Israel. One set of government records showed the age of each father when a child was born, and usually the age of the mother. Another set of records showed whether a child was later diagnosed with autism. The analysis of the information showed a clear trend. "The older the age of the father at the time of birth, the higher the chances of the offspring to have autism," Reichenberg says. "In fathers who were 40 years or older, the risk for autism was almost six times higher than in the offspring of fathers who were younger than 30 years of age." The mother's age didn't seem to matter. There was another intriguing finding. Most studies show that autism is at least three times more common in boys than in girls. But that didn't hold true for the children of older fathers. "The ratio of male to female was almost one to one," Reichenberg says, "which makes you think that some of the mechanisms might be a little bit different." In other words, autism in children of older fathers may have a different cause than autism in children with younger dads. It's not clear why older men are more likely to father children with autism. But there are at least two possibilities, suggests Craig Newschaffer, professor and chairman of epidemiology and biostatistics at the Drexel University School of Public Health in Philadelphia. One theory is that as men age, there is a greater chance of new mutations in their sperm. When combined with the egg, the sperm's mutations could have adverse health consequences – such as autism. Another possibility is that older men who carry genes associated with autism are, for some unknown reason, more likely to pass along the risk from those genes. It is tempting to ask whether the apparent rise in the number of children with autism is partly the result of a growing number of older fathers. But there's no ready answer. The study doesn't give a reliable indication of exactly how much the risk rises with age. "If the magnitude of that effect truly were large," Newschaffer says, "I might be more inclined to say, perhaps the aging of dads in general could explain a piece of that trend." The study also isn't clear enough to help parents decide whether it's too risky to have children based on the father's age, Newschaffer says. But he believes that this study and other studies of older fathers do offer a message: "Probably like females, males have a reproductive age." And that's how "we should start thinking about it." Newschaffer's study appears in the September issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry.

Somaliweyn all the way and little dismembered Xabashi's. We have had our lesson, now its time for yours dear Xabashi's Djabouti is a Somali sister nation for now and soon Djabouti will join Greater Somalia. Che Guevara don't fall for these xabashi's always trying to start BS in Somali forums.

^^ its the lyrics that count!

80's Somali music rocked! MMA Cumar Shooli does not get the dues that he deserve's. La Dabaalo caashaqa - Cumar Shooli Dumar kale ma caashaqin Hadal danbe kumaan oran Doqaagu wuxuu rabo Kolan daynba kuu galo Wali diiday kuma odhan Dadku wuu dagaalaa Dabadeed heshiiyaa Inaad raacdo duul kale Ma wax loo dulqaataa Naftaydii I diidayoo Kama daadegaysee Adaa seegay dawgee Iga durug walaaleey Haatan dayradaadaa Ku dadaalayayoo Ima diirinayside Ogow dumarku kaa badan Waan kaa dal doorsaday Dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa Waan kaa dal doorsaday Dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa Dambi kaama aan gelin Duleed kagamaan tegin Hablaha da?daadana Daandaansi daayoo Dibnahayga uma furin Adigay daraadaa Dakharadu I gaadheen Inaad iiga durugtaa Ma wax loo dul qaataa Daruur ii da?aysiyo Dabayl caafimaad baan Deeqooy ku moodee Waxad tahay tu ii daran Haatan dayradaadaa Ku dadaalayaayoo Ima diirinayside Ogow dumarku kaa badan Waan kaa daldoorsaday dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa Waan kaa daldoorsaday dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa Danbiga waxa dhigay Wadnahayga doqonkee Kaa doortay dumarkoo Aad daryeeli waydoo Wali daacad kuu qaba Dadbuu ku moodee Adiguna dad naariyo Inaad dacalka goysaa Ma wax loo dul qaataa Dayaxoo aleeliyo Waa duulkii suleekhaan Dadka kaaga soocdee Waxaad tahay habeen dama Haatan dayradaadaa Ku dadaalayaayoo Ima diirinayside Ogow dumarku kaa badan Waan kaa daldoorsaday dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa Waan kaa daldoorsaday dusha hayga xaganine La dabaalo la dabaalo caashaqa

Either Unite or die like PIGS!!! There is no middle ground.

My Nr. 1 is Cumar Shooli yes I got it bad. His album La dabaalo Caashaqa. I also like Maxamed Saleebaan, Saado Cali, Sulfa. My favorite band's are Shareero & Dur Dur. Hmmm thats about it, and ooh yea one magool song in some ruwaayad can't remmember the name, but that song also rocks. Anyhow......... Cumar Shooli - La dabaalo Caashaqa.

As you request!

^^ tan yar ma dukaan bey i mooday?

Forgive and not forget.

Pictures of the Somali community in Holland. There used to be up to 40.000 Somalis in Holland, but many of the nomads moved to the UK, now there are about 10.000 Somalis in Holland. (Source pictures http://www.nedsom.com )www.nedsom.nl )

Fiasco, In my opinion The ICU or elements of the ICU do not want just power. Its a jihad to them, they are serieus, its not just another Somali faction that wants to rule. Its not just qabiil. Don't be fooled by it. They want an all out war. They want not just Somalia, but the horn of Africa. In my opinion its not in their plan to make deals with TFG, Ethiopia or whoever and if they do its just a temporary deal or a truce. They will go for it all the way. They will start with Somalia go to Ethiopia and take it from there. They want the reunification of the ummah under one leadership. They are taking a calculated risk, they are gambelling with Somalia and the Somalis. If they get a foothold in Somalia and get the time to build an army they will take that army to war under the pretext of the liberation of the occupied Somali areas. If they are attacked inside Somalia they will keep their struggle going just like their brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan and they will radicalize the people and trust me on that they will do that. So these guys are going to win whatever happens. The dumbest thing that anyone (Ethiopia,Kenya, Uganda, USA) can do today is attack the ICU.

All guns are wlc. Isn't it time we forgave each other? I mean we will deal with his likes later, now we shouldn't be divided in our struggle. All groups have had calooshood u shaqaystayaal and each and everyone of us here has in the past or maybe even now supported those calooshood u shaqaystayaal. So lets not lie to each other. lets forgive each other or we will always be in this situation. The hate needs to end and what better way then to forgive those who destroyed our country.

wow, you sure do have a short fuse. Get on with your medications roaddawg.

Ooooh are we angry? In the words of NGONGE Its just words man, just words on a screen.

Originally posted by Lieutenant Xalane: Dhegdheer had a very strong and extremely large ear. They don't make woman like that any more.

Price tag he? You need to calm down. Your getting sick. My hate for Somaliland is not a secret, to hell with Somaliland and its supporters and I don't have to hide that, but this tread is about Puntland. You arguing about Somaliland here is just attention seeking.