Originally posted by LayZie G.: Me, don't you dare sing the "what kind of a sovereignty does this TFG claim to have" tune. Firstly, TFG does not enjoy its sovereignty over its internal and external affairs. You hit the nail on its head Layzie and since the TFG does not have sovereignty over its internal and external affairs it should not call itself a government. The TFG is not Somalia's government.

Originally posted by MoonLight1: quote: What does me living anywhere got to do with the colonial actions we see? Me:if you live in an infedel country which assume yes,then who does your accountancy, where do you keep your wages or benefits? I hope not under your pillow why are you preaching the TFG something your not doing. They say "charity starts from home". Mise waa beentay. Maskexeey Ba'a War waxan bal arka. Saaxiib TFG dowlad ayee isku sheegaysaa. Laakiin dad kale ayaa mastuufta sidii naag meel lagu haysto. iskaba daa in la masruuftee dad kale ayaa lacata lamaamula. We have UN advisors and PWC accountants, in other words Somali government ma jiro. Dadkale ayaa meesha maamusha. So what does Who does your accounting got to do with anything?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^The money is from an infidel entity. You don’t protest that. But you protest the accounting firm that will handle it. Caqlow ba’a If you read my posts you would see I don't event accept the legitimacy of those that are supposed to get the money. Also one of my problems with the TFG is that they are funded by foreign powers. You missed that point also I guess. Caqli eray un buu kuu yahay, wax aad caqli ka ogtahay ma jirto. Xoolohan TFG ee la dhaqdo ayaad u sacbisaa maalin walba.

Xiin, What does me living anywhere got to do with the colonial actions we see? What kind of a sovereignty does this TFG claim to have if PWC is checking the receipts? Why don't we hire Accenture and KPMG also to run the ministries? Why not outsource the whole F'ing government? i.e. Bring back the colonists? And you are concerned about where I live......that is sad....really sad. You keep reaching new depts.

Somalia appoints accountancy firm

Is it me or does this have COLONIALISM written all over it?

Xiin, Your hide and seek game is boring. Get on with it already. I was of the opinion that this thread was intended as a dialogue and not a monologue. So if you don't have anything to add, say so and we can close it down, or alternatively you can man up and use this thread to share your opinions, instead of asking silly predictable questions. I have done my initial post on the topic of discussion. Now it is your turn. Do not disappoint the good SOL public.

Then comes in Alshabab and invades peacefull neighbourhoods Invades? So the liberation and the efforts for the unification of our nation under one government is invasion? I haven't seen you use such harsh words against the Ethiopians who are in Hiiraan. The Somali people are in the process of forging a nation Meiji. Neighborhood militias, clan fiefdoms, isbaaros, corrupt politicians, warlords....TFG bandits, nothing of the old order will be left. The liberation of neighborhoods from the TFG bandits is a part of the process. Do you want the current divisions in Mogadishu to exist or do you want that the city comes under one administration?

Meiji, As we can agree there is a war going on at the time and there are intense battles. The aid agencies are not capable of delivering aid to those that need it the most due to the circumstances. The machinery and material are kept in stores, while the people are suffering. The opposition forces have procured these materials in order to help the civilians and the war effort. It would have been better if the aid agencies could continue their work, however the circumstances do not permit them and because of that the opposition forces who are responsible for the civilians living in the areas under their control are forced to take drastic actions in order to safe lives. Bundling the resources of the community for the war effort is one of those measures. The TFG bandits on the other hand are in total disarray and they are attacking civilians and exhorting them for personal gain. The TFG bandits are criminals operating under the licence of the Sharif Government. They should be stopped from harming the civilian population.

Meiji, There is a difference between procuring material for the war effort and robbing civilians and exhorting small businesses. I believe that you can see the difference between the two. The opposition forces have procured idle machinery and material for the war effort. The opposition has not targeted civilians, but is using the material to help the civilians that are now in the areas under their control. The TFG forces on the other hand are clearly exhorting small businesses and robbing civilians. The TFG forces are ill disciplined thugs. Their officers are engaged in get quick rich schemes. The rumor has it that these officers want to use the money they exhort from the civilians to flee the country. The opposition is bundling the resources of the community for the war effort, while the TFG bandits are clearly engaged in criminal acts. I hope that you can see the difference between the two.

Dhalin-yaro dib loo sii daayay & dhac Ciidanka Dowladu ka wadaan Buulo-xuubey. By Somalimirror on 7 Jul, 2009 3:15 PM in Main, Wararka Ciidamada DKMG ah ee ku sugan Xaafada Buulo-xuubey ee Degmada Wadajir ayaa Dadka Rayidka ah ee halkaa ku dhaqan kula dhaqaaqa falal Amni daro oo dhac qeyb ka yahey. Ciidamada ayaa meheradaha kale duwan ee Ganacsiga ka qaado lagaco baad ah oo Dadka Rayidka ah ayna qaadi Karin, sida Wararka la helago sheegayaan waxa ay ciidamadu Dukaamada ka qaadaan lacag dhan 40,000 Sh/So oo joogto ah, sidoo kale xarumaha yar yar ee Ganacsiga ayay ka qaadaan 20,000 Sh/So. Sidoo kale Ciidamada oo dhigtey Isbaarooyin ayay Gaadiidka Rayidka ah uga qaadaan lacago joogto ah oo ayna bixin Karin balse khasab ku ah. Afhayeenka Ciidanka Bileyska DKMG ah C/laahi Bariise ayaa arintan beeniyay oo gaashanka u daruurey, waxa uuna sheegay inaaney jirin ciidamado Dowlada ka tirsan kuna sugan Buulo-xuubey oo lacago baad ah ka qaada Dadka & Gaadiidka Rayidka ah. Dhanka kale C/laahi Bariise waxa uu sheegay inay dib u sii daayeen 9 dhalin yaro oo ciidamadoodu shaley ka soo qabteen Degmada Xamar jabab ka dib markii ay wax danbi ah ku waaayeen. Waxa uu sidoo kale sheegay inay baaritaano ku sameeyeen kuna waayeen wax danbi ah sidaa daraadeed dib u sii daayeen. Dadka rayidka ah ee ku dhaqan Xaafadaha Ciidamada DKMG ah ku sugan yihiin ayaa dhibaatooyin kale duwan oo Amni daro ciidamda kala kulma.

We have al seen how the opposition forces are bringing criminals to court. Plenty of threads have been started here on SOL about that. Now we see how the TFG bandits are robbing civilians in the few neighborhoods they still control. The difference between the two sides is clear. The opposition forces have a zero tolerance policy in place, whereas the TFG minister’s own guards are robbing civilians.

Gudoomiye Xigeynka D/Wadajir oo ilaalada Janaqow dhac ku ee deeyey By Somalimirror on 8 Jul, 2009 10:35 AM in Main, Wararka Gudoomiye ku Xigeynka Degmada Wadajir ee Gobolka Badaanir u Qaabilsan DKMG ah Xuseen Bootaan ayaa ku Eedeeyey Ciidamada Ilaalada u ah Wasiirka Cadaalada DKMG ah u Qaabisan Sh C/raxmaan Janaqow iyo Xubno kale in ay lacago Baad ah oo Sharci Daro ah isla markaana Xaddhaaf ah Xoog uga Qaadaan Dadka ku dhaqan Xaafada Buula Xuubey Degmada Wadajir ee Magaalada Muqdisho. Xuseen Botaan oo u waramayey Idaacada Horn Afriik ee Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa Sheegay in Ciidamadan ay Dadka Handadaan isla markaana ay si qasab ah kaga qaadaan Lacago Badan oo aysan Awoodin Dadka Deekaanka . Bootaan ayaa Sheegay in ay arintan ku soo war galiyeen Dadka Deegaanka waxa uuna intaa ku daray in uu soo indha indheeyey Cabashada Dadka uuna soo Xaqiijiyey Xadgudubka iyo Dhibaatada ay Ciidamadani ku hayaan Dadka ku nool Xaafada Buulo Xuubey. Bootaan oo arinkaa kahadalayana waxa uu yiri: “Niman Ciidan ah oo kamid ah Istaafka Wasiirka Cadaalada iyo Istaafka Taliyaha Laanta Socdaalka ee ay Degmada Yiraahdeen adinkay idinla Shaqeynaayaan ayaa Howshaas wado… Miis Yaanyo saarantahay haduu yahay 20 kun Keen bey leeyihiin, haduu Qofku yiraa Mahaayana Waan ku Dileynaa hadii kale keen beey leeyihiin, aniga Shalaa leysoo wacay Kormeerbaan sameeyey kuli Qofwalba saas baa lagu sameeyey”. Bootaan ayaa Sheegay in ay arinkan Waxka qaban doonaan isla markaana ay Xoog iyo Xeeladba uga Hortagi doonaan Howlahan, hadii ay faraha kala bixi waayaan Ciidamada Arinkan ku Howlan ayuu ugu Hanjabay in ay Faraha ula tagi doonaan iskana dhicin doonaan waxa uuna yiri: “Marka hore in wax loo Sheegaa leysku dayaa oo ay arintaa ay joojiyaan hadey Diidaane Nin Qaldan sida loo qabto Dagaal badan Makeeneyso” . Mid kamid ah Dadka Deegaanka ayaa Sheegay in Ciidamadani ay si Qasab ah oo Qori Caaradii ah kaga qaadaan lacago aysan Awoodin oo gaaraya ugu yaraan 20, 000 Sh.S ah, Dadka lagacaha laga Qaado ayuu Sheegay in ay yihiin Haweenka Yaanyada Iibiya iy Dadka Cabitaanka qasa iyo kuwa Garab raratada ah iyo Qofwalba oo meel fadhiya ee aan heysan dhaqaalo sidaa u sii buuran. Afhayenka Ciidaka Booliska DKMG ah Xasan Bariise ayaa isna Sheegy in aysan jirin Ciidan kooda ah oo ay u direen in ay halkaa Canshuur uga soo qaadaan DKMG ah isla markaana uusan war u heyn Cida qaadata lacagahaas Baada ah. Link

Ciidamada dowladda KMG ee Soomaaliya oo la sheegay in ay dhac u geystaan Gaadiidka BL-ka ee ka shaqeeya degmada Xamar Jajab iyo isgoyska KM4. Posted: 7/8/2009 7:04:00 PM Shabelle: MUQDISHO Ciidamada dowladda KMG ee Soomaaliya ayaa lasheegay in ay dhaca u geystaan Gaadiidka BL-ka ee ka shaqeeya degmada Xamar Jajab iyo isgoyska KM4. Qaarka mida ah dadka ku dhaqan degmada Xamar jajab ee gobolka Banaadir ayaa waxa ay ka cabanayaan dhibaatooyin dhanka amaanka ah oo ay ku hayaan Ciidamada dowladda KMG ee Soomaaliya ee ku sugan qeybo kamid ah degmadaasi. Waxa ay sheegeen dadkani in ay kula dhaqaaqaan ciidamadani dhibaatooyin isugu jira dhaca ,baarasho iyo dhibaatooyin ay ku hayaan Gaadiidka rakaabka ah ee ka shaqeeya degmada Xamar Jajab. Haweeneey ka mid ah dadka deegaanka oo Shaballe u waramasay ayaa waxa ay sheegtay in Ciidamada dowladda gaar ahaan kuwa ku sugan degmada Xamar Jajab, nawaaxiga Buundada Ansalooti ay halkaasi ku baartaan Gaadiidka rakaabka ah islamarkaana ay ka qaataan taleefonada gacanta lagu qaato iyo alaabaha kale oo ay dadka rayidka ah wataan taasi oo ay soo kor dhiyeen maalmihii ugu danbeeyay. Dhanka kale Farxaan Casaanyo oo ah Afhayeen Ciidamada Milateriga dowladda KMG oo shabelle ay la xiriirtay islamarkaana ay wax ka weydiisay arrinta la xiriirta eedeynta loo soo jeediyay Ciidamada dowladda eek u aadana in ay dhac u geystaan dadka Shacabka ah ayaa beeniyay waxa uuna sheegay in arrintaasi aysan ka danbeynin Ciidamda dowladda balse ay baarayaan cida sida rasmiga ah uga danbeysa. Ma ahan markii ugu horeysay oo ciidamda dowladda KMG ah ee Soomaaliya lagu eedeeyo in ay dhibaato kula dhaqaaqaan dadka rayidka ah ,waxaana inta badan dadka ku nool degmooyinka ay gacanta ku hayaan Ciidamada dowladu ay sheegaan in ay ka jiraan falal amaan daro inkastoo marwalba ay Saraakiisha Ciidamada dowladda KMG ay arimhaasi Gaashaanka u daruuraan.

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Originally posted by Norf 1: Thierry, good stuff mate. Will have my input when time permits but I have a wedding to get to so waa inoo wiiga dhambe,,,, 9 months later and still............... ..

Norf, Your questions are understandable since you have not even thought about the problem before you started waving the sharifite flag. In due time all will be clear for you. In the mean time you are expected on the Somali Empire thread.

To the SOL public, What is at stake here today is the credibility of the Sharifite camp of SOL. Just as the secessionist supporters, the pirate boys, the TFG supporters and other Ethio sympathizers have bitten the dust. The day has come that the Sharifites of SOL are held accountable for their views. No stone will be left unturned. No quarter will be given. No surrender will be accepted. To Xiin, You can not evade your responsibility. You asked me to join this thread; I have posted my view, now it is your turn to do the same thing. It is obvious to the readers that you are trying to play hide and seek. Man up and step up to the plate. The floor is yours. To Norf, You are expected to share your vision on the Somali Empire thread as you had promised.

If Ethiopia is successfully defeated and driven out of the country, then the question is, what awaits Somalia that will find itself under multiple factional controls within compartmentalized territories? Another bout of twenty or fourty year old ideological civil way? Such a future is what worries me most, even more than the current TFG and Ethiopian occupiers. Now, at the present time, what we must start planning for is the sort of structural frameworks for stability and governance will be in place in post-occupation Somalia. I strong hold the view that it was our failure to plan ahead is what has led us into civil war, before even Siad Bare was ousted from power. And surely, that mistake has precipitated current Ethiopian occupation. Do we wish to repeat the same mistake? I hope not. As someone who has put a great deal of thought and effort into gaining some insight into our current condition, and the prospects of the future that awaits our nation, my advice is this: be visionary, think beyond today in order to catch a glimpse of the bigger picture while still paying attention to history. 1. What planning took place or is happening now that you have put all your eggs in Sharif Ahmed's basket? It seems to me that you have already resigned your believes and handed over your critical thinking to Sharif's TFG and downgraded yourself to a mere cheerleader. 2. Whether Ethiopia does something or whether America convinces her not to do something is not of Somali concern since these countries only think of their own national interest. What concerns me is that our nation has a government that leans on its own people for support and not one that leans on foreign countries. 3. Thinking of the big picture you described above does not mean throwing overboard principles and substituting pragmatism for policy. Rollover and play dead doesn't work in the real world. ps. Japan went through many periods of civil war the longest period was the Sengoku period 1467–1615. So Japan also went through a period of restructuring and negotiation with its national identity before the results you mentioned were visible.

Xiin, the central issue of Somali conflict---alshabaab ! Are you serious here? What do you take us for when you come rubbish like that? War ku noqo! Come with a serious reply.

Xiinow, The Somali world has changed and as such our world view must adapt with it. The Somalia of 1990 is gone, it is dead and buried. Nothing has taken its place, because the process of negotiation with the future of our nation is still in progress. We are in a process of elimination, one faction after another is biting the dust, one myth after another is debunked, and one idea after another is proven unworkable. At the same time our nation is changing rapidly; we are going through a metamorphosis. The land we used to know is no longer there, where there were trees now it is dessert, where there were small settlements now there are cities, where there were nomads now there are unemployed town dwellers. The truths and believes that constructed our world are no longer there. Our way of life is shattered. Our culture is in shock. In short our nation is in a state of confusion. What is happening here? What is going on? Why are all these changes happening all at once? Why did our economy, our culture, our political system even our believes come crashing down on us all at once? My answer is a tsunami has been unleashed, a volcano erupted and forces of change came into being. These forces have a dynamic of their own and they are destroying the old orders. The old systems, these forces are in essence agents of development instead of destruction. To use your words they are agents deploying Slash-and-burn tactics. The Shabab will be one of the many factions that will rise and fall in Somalia; I do not believe that they will be the final group that will end the Somali War. But what they will do is carry on the flame of the Islamist Revolution of 2006. They will create the environment needed for the next paradigm shift. It is the job of the Shabab to get us to the next stage. The TFG on the other hand are trying to preserve a dying order. They want to institutionalize the clan. They want to go begging to donor countries, they want to accept the parameters that have been given to them. In essence the TFG stands in the way of development in our country. A successful TFG will mean that the underlying problems of the Somali war will not be solved and that 20 years of war was in vain. It will also mean that another revolution will become a necessity. Somalia’s war has been going on for longer then Shabab and TFG has been on the scene. The problem is not these factions, the problem is much greater then that. There is a disease in our society, our nation is confused and only when this disease is dealt with can we have the peace we long for. Do not get me wrong, clannism is not the disease, clannism is one of the many symptoms of this disease.

Xiinow, As you have asked I will explain to you my position in the current developments in our country and why I have taken up that position. My question to you is to explain to me why you have opted to support the foreign backed, foreign funded, foreign created TFG? and how this rhymes with your previous stance in the war of resistance, since in essence nothing has changed?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Actually kaama harin. Thread kalaan furay. The invite is there for you. Warka ah beri baad wax ahayd adeer ima marto,haddaan wax ahay ee reason with me baan taaganahay. ama sidii fabregas carar oo waxaa tiraahdaa discussion ma fiicna Waajibkayga waan gutay, mar hadii aad aqbali wayday sharaftii aan kuu ogolaaday, waa inoo threadka aad furtay.