thanks yo...that made my boring day at work enjoyed it. Especially the fat bin ladan w/ gold ring ...loopholes, coverups, unanswered questions...endless yo.Censory...1984 take two. A plot indeed. they plot but their plots will be of no avail, and Allah's Purpose will prevail.

^^^^I only see old dudes...what are they learning?

Castro...when I say pride its being happy with who u are...your people...your religion...not kibr...superioty. Best of you are those who are most God-Fearing and have Taqwa...thats my believe...but I am proud of nationality...more importantly my deen...aint nothing wrong w/ dat.

Afro, brother I understand your frustration…..why not open another thread titled: Maryoley you aint offered shit to the world….since this thread is about positive aspects of our nationality….its always easier to see the negatives. Let us be positive for once. personally I don’t know much about Somali history…do we have a written history? Our history is oral…with tribal bias….so how do u know the correct history of Somalia….since there was no documentation….Somalia 500 yrs ago for example. What I do know…is the ordinary Somali people in states…we are good people…welcoming…great hospitality…respect our parents/elderly…strong family unit…no inferiority complex…hard-working….I wonder what a united Somalia under the Quran would be like without the cancer of qabil…I think we would be a strong force in Africa and the world…cause we are a strong people…through hardship…war, refugeenimo…and look the countries we settled in…we are doing better then natives. Afro I wouldn’t choose no other nation…I am proud to be Maryoley..don’t u just dig the dignity of our women in Lands of Kufar keeping their identity…puts smile on my face. Even if I was dirt poor…nothing to offer the world…and I had Al-Islam…my riches are greater then mushrik who has wealth and status.

One day you're here then gone. Guess, we don't have much choice, when the big man calls our number. Subhanallah, don’t say “the big manâ€, Allah is not a man, don’t give Allah Most High characteristics of his creatures…like the Christians do….its best to say Allah Most Great. Death is only thing guaranteed to us….no one knows what tomorrow brings…their career, successes in life…who they will marry…but we all know we will die sooner or later….Fear Allah…and u will be successful.

Yo yo my peeps, I know an artist and a track that is off the hook fo shizzle my nizzles. This track fo real...is soothing to the soul….elevates the senses….good for the heart. Try it peeps, burn it and listen to it in your car. The artist is Sheikh Abdul Basit's, the track Al-Quran. check it out: Al-Quran

Al-Islam first no doubt…and the hospitality… when traveling out of state… don’t stay in hotel…or pay for food…but welcomed and their not family….we are not a greedy ppl…after the war, refugeenimo…still hold up…set up businesses…communities…we are great ppl ….with pride in our heritage…who dont bow down to white man like many Africans. And I can’t forget our strong women…Allah has blessed our nation with strong and good women, brothers we should appreciate them more there is no other women like our women… stay the f away foreigners!

You are in the verge of retirement, what ever happen to youthfull vibrant energy in to looking forward to a week end full of adventures/parties or hanging out till the dawn hours of the early morning Opportunist….i mean bartender…this “youthful adventure†includes partying…clubbing….drinking…. hanging out all night? way go…forget your prayers…..be at clubs, parties….then in the masjid…. I hear that all the time…tho not a good Muslim myself….I keep in mind what our prophet (saw) said: 7 will be under the shade of Allah on the day of judgment, one of them is a youth who worshipped and feared Allah…. I rather be under the shade of Allah on that day inshallah. IB better advice...spend your youth fearing and worshipping Allah...road to successes. i'm too old for that crap.^^ been there, done that, moved on. :rolleyes: --That aint something to be proud of woman…..repent! Ps: Mubarak on completing dissertation…..inshallah u will do well on it. Mon soeur pourquoi ne vous a pas fait me dire les bonnes nouvelles. Je suis fâché avec vous. Nah um kidding…. mubarak again…..now the real shit starts…putting that degree to work….good luck to you…and the graduates of 2006. keep the remembrance of Allah....then everything will come easy.

Give me a break. If they too good for ESL…why don’t they take the test and test out? I would test American students too…many of them belong in ESL class. These somali students are proud to learn…..that’s why majority end up in community colleges. I was told two students never learn a shy student, and a proud student. They should shut up or test out. FOB don’t belong in classrooms….unless helped….. ESL can do that.

There will always be niggers: those few rotten apples that are ruining it for the rest ma garatay for a quick buck. ---Rest of us? Who dat? We aint them ma garatay? They aint ruining nothing for us. Who gives shit about them…their videos…their hoes….they don’t represent us we are Muslims they are Kufars….we are Somali…..they are Kufars….those that imitate them…let um….see where that gets um. Finals week makes me sick ..... took adderall to stay up, me got ADD symptoms....going back to the books Allah Akbar almost summer….yes! peace out

Baayo nameless….inshallah I will be worthy of being your brother again…..until then u are still my sister…and I aint mad cha. salaamun

Not anymore after this, can anyone dare to take one's life from this point forward unless offcourse they are the warlords. They were dealt earlier this month, remember. -----That’s all u got say, then there is no shariah….warlords get away with it…..but common mans gets the knife? Red u telling me there is shariah in mogodisho? Unless shariah in its purity exists I think applying it in certain cases, picking and choosing those cases is jaliyah, destructive and contrary to Islam…and a Muslim shouldn’t support it…but fight against it. How much do you want to bet? put the money where your mouth is, because this guy happens to belong into one of the major tribes, called clan reer Hebel, like it matters. Just kidding, but why does it matter on what clan he belonged to, the bottomline is he killed someone and he is gone with whom he killed. the courts didn't killed him, they ordered his excution but the son of the victim finished with his own two hands. ----No, clan doesn’t matter brother…its about principle…justice for all regardless of what clan…weak or powerful. Unless this happens….then there is no shariah and I can’t support it as Muslim. Besides the ppl in mogodisho are jaliyah fools…..show me any good they have done for Islam, for their ppl other then destruction? walahi i can't believe my brother u support this and joke they call "islamic courts". Its not about shariah....but these courts.

Red Good looking out brother, JZK. Wa cajiib Red. U, brother of deen thinks these fools were doing the work of Islam? I despise to even associate Islam with this filth. They are ppl of jaliyah….no value for Islam…or know the meaning of Justice. I am not arguing against the eye for an eye verse, but we all know there is no system of shariah in mogadisho…..how many other murders happen…. Why this dude? Can’t pick and choose….who to execute…and there is no Islamic Law in the land…how they gonna apply it eye for an eye in this case and crimes are committed everyday nothing happens…. for show…like Ahura said dude was a minority weak bet on it….how many members of stronger clans kill do they get excuted publically..nah. Fitnah are those who misuse Islam, who are jaliyah and interpret and act like they are applying the Glorious Law of Allah....demonstrated by the rubbish in mogodisho.

What’s more irritating are those who support these people to bully our brothers and sisters and at the same time call the Atheist brothers and sisters. -- you are referring to me no? ….sorry baayo wipe that sad look off….its not cool seeing u like this….the old happy nameless what happened….chill out sis Nameless I aint supporting anyone…. but I respect people… Muslim or atheist …..face to face…or on forums…that is what Allah commands us… the way of our nabi (saw). Read our rasual (saw) biography….and the excellent manner he dealt with those who denied Allah….we can never be like him and his excellence of character….but we can try. I was hoping for an intellectual dialogue between the two parties, this can happen only with mutual respect…..but see that will not be the case….ppl are not interested in understanding each other. No more miss nice guy? Why? I liked that side of u, don't let ppl get to u...damn baby girl SOL is turing u mad N chill no one is here to jump on you….u sister are the one starting shit.

La ilaha ill Allah wa anna Muhammad-ur-Rasul-Allah. and they gonna call this sanctioned by Islamic court....its fitnah Allah save us from this destruction subhanallah

I donno walaalo I just donno! waxaanan garenin intaas ka hadasha. I have never given a gift and until now my policy is same as big jesus himself, bless are they who expect nothing for the will never be disabbointed!!! ---subhanallah! do not refer to a Messenger of Allah in this way sister. Respect a Messenger of Allah, Issa ibn Maryam pbuh is better to say. how do u attribute that saying to Issa pbuh, just cause you heard it from the Christians? :confused: Sorry sis uhhh came here cause I didn’t like Did’s statement…um sure tho sis…if they good friends they don’t need material things from u. Give them pocket Quran….or small size prayer rug…blessings for u and for them. salaamun

Who cares about atheists? Why does anyone bother with them? Atheism is the very hieght, the apogee, of human ego and anyone who subscribes to that is beyond the pale. --Why? because this is a matter of Nar and Al-Jannah. My question to those who say there is no God: before you came to this conclusion what was your understanding level of Al-Islam, have you studied the Quran, what did you take from the Quran if you did study it and why do u think there is no God? Please explain your beliefs more clearly. Instead of I can’t see it therefore can’t belief in it…doesn’t fit my rational reasoning….or religious evidence is unconvincing. Why Why, Why? Where is other party? Come on its almost summer break Salaamun

Asslaamu Alaykum, I respect that this is a dialogue between brother Nur and sister Cara, inshallah it can be discussion and the most important one I have come across thus far. Inshallah certain individuals will not ruin this topic, but we can actually learn from one another. Brother Nur it was the mention of Abu Hanifa may Allah be pleased with him, that I want to add this which I found on islam.com: source The same question was asked, by an atheist (about existence of Allah), of Imam Abu Hanifa and he replied, "Forget it! At the moment, I am busy thinking about this ship. People tell me there is a big ship, it contains different goods on board. There is no one to steer it, no one maintaining it. Yet, this ship keeps going back and forth; it even traverses big waves on the oceans; it stops at the locations that it is supposed to stop at; it continues in the direction that it is supposed to head. This ship has no captain and no one planning its trips." The atheist who posed the question interrupted and exclaimed, "What kind of strange and silly thought is this? How can any intelligent person think that some thing like this can occur?" Imam Abu Hanifa said, "I feel sorry about your state! You cannot imagine one ship running without some one looking after its affairs. Yet you think that for this whole world, which runs exactly and precisely, there is no one who looks after it, and no one owns it." How about this then: in terms of knowing whether there is a god or not, I'm agnostic. In my view one cannot claim that there is or is no god or gods. But in terms of my personal belief, my feeling is that there is no god or gods. ----You are right my dear sister, there is NO God or gods you are correct, however But Allah. Again I don’t fault the sister, in fact I think she and those who deny a Supreme Being are following the Quran, there is No God or Gods, however they should understand But Allah. most human beings including many Muslims are blind followers of their forefathers….you are a Muslim cause your parents are, Christian cause your parents are, ect. This is not the way of Islam….Islam is for those who think. She has used her reasoning, intellect tho she is surrounded by religion to deny a creator. Main arguments I come across, is that If I can’t see it….then why should I believe it in. My opinion is we should explore what: La illaha illal la means and signifies. Also, science, the laws of nature….the physics of the physical world are all in agreement with Quran, the more human being studies science, the more everything is pointed to a Creator. We should explore this also. Thus evidence for a creator are all around us, you don't need to see the Creator face to face...the signs are here....reasoning can show us that. And don't mention it sister Cara, pleasure is mine. Only true for NON-nuclear reactions. During nuclear reactions (fission and fusion) energy/matter is created AND/OR destroyed. -----SB I don’t want to make it debate, I don’t care for it. But if I remember from physics class in nuclear reactions, the law of Conservation of Mass (which states that mass of the universe is constant, matter is neither created nor destroyed) is modified just a little bit. In Einsteins equation, energy is introduced and is equivalent to matter. If I remember correctly in nuclear rxns when matter and anti-matter are reacted, destruction doesn’t happen but inter-conversion, mass converts to energy-radiation in this case. Thus the law still holds true even in nuclear reactions. salaamu lah

Sorry for not applauding someone that is disrespecting my religion. Next time I well give her a big hug and a kiss when she disrespects my beliefs and religion. Because for some old reason I get offended easily when someone does that. Sorry I am not like you and will just let her do that, next you will let her be soo rude to your parents because I see no difference when she does this. Yes she can believe what ever she wants but she only replied to start an argument. So my advice to her is please keep your own opinions to your self and let people like me benefit what the brother posts. -- What I can’t understand is how people can get offended and emotional with those who hold different opinions when it comes to al-Islam. The sister’s views, her post was not disrespecting Islam she was showing her perspective, I don’t think it was to start an argument but showing her discontent with earlier comments as she said: “I just find it annoying to have people claiming to know what's really in my (empty) heart.†Sister nameless this is an open forum, everyones comments should be welcomed weather you agree with it or not. How can you benefit if you are never challenged about your believes? Islam is a rational religion for those who think and question about life, the world, the heavens, next life…..Islam is the way for people like Cara in my opinion. We are not the Christians, when you question them they tell you just got to have faith. Blind faith, “religious dogma†is what the sister finds a problem if I am wrong correct me. I dig this quote Vibes signature: ~Discussions are an exchange of intelligence. Arguments are an exchange of ignorance~. Question is do people want a discussion………..that means listening and respecting the other party………..or just arguing…………no benefit salaamun

It's called straight talk, which is much appreciated in today's world of political correctness. I don't see any mockery, or grandstanding for that matter. If we're not gonna contribute, can we leave the play-by-play commentary till the end of the thread and watch the debate unfold ? Thanks. --Brother I was talking about the title: Athiest Cara and Muslim Nur, A Dialogue of Faith vs Faithlessness. And what others have done in other threads the “straight talk†calling people animals, faithless, sad individuals, sub-human, and unworthy of discussion. My point as Muslims when we talk to people who hold opposing views we shouldn’t behave with political correctness or straight talk as you call it, but in the manner our great prophet (saw) did. Now which other way is better then the way of the prophet upon him be peace, none. I claim no such proofs, nor do I need them. The person who makes a positive claim is responsible for proving it true. Since you make the extraordinary claim, you must provide the extraordinary evidence. I speak from a default position of skepticism. --My sister, what is it that you claim? We say Allah Most High exists, what are you saying that there is no Allah, no afterlife, or you just doubt it? Everyone knows the position of Muslims, what is your position sis? Isn’t saying there is no Allah (if u think that) also an extraordinary claim? How do u come to that conclusion if that is your conclusion? Salaamun

Salaamu lah My brother Nur, does sister Cara call herself an atheist or faithless? If she doesn’t then it is not correct to label her as such. The callers to Islam, the Muslims should be welcoming and deal with those with opposing views in kindness and truth as our prophet (saw) did. Calling another human being who has opposing views faithless is not a welcoming manner, but puts them down. She views the world different then us, and I like the way she presents her views unlike some who make a mockery. This should be interesting and important dialogue, inshallah the sister will not be discourage in this environment and we shouldn't dicourage her, her views are important and we shouldn't dismiss her as "sad" individual who is unworthy of a discussion. Salaamu lah

I never knew there were so many skeptics out there! by Bishy Istakh fululallah subxanallah, mate you need HELP badly and people like us (Muslims) shouldn't waste our time on you as you are beyond needing help. I know our Islam tells us that we should guide those misfortunate but you obviously don’t want help. So we should just let you at that. Sad though. by Nameless Asslaamu Alaykum, Inshallah all of you are in good health. Its not sad, and we shouldn’t look down upon the sister, she is a human being and as all human beings will raise questions about her purpose in life, the next life and she has every right to do so. In fact she is following the Qu’ran, as Allah says do they not contemplate? Cara I applaud you my sister for sharing your views with us in the manner you did and in a place that will not see eye to eye with you. indeed as Bishy said it is enlightening and I hope you will not be discourage by certain comments and inshallah will continue to share with us your views because they are important as Nur’s or anyone elses. Salaamun

JZK brother for your good words, and I ask Allah to also bless you, your family, to forgive our sins, to ease the sufferings of our people, to bring peace to our land, and to give victory to the ummah of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. Ameen ya Raab. salaamu lah

^^^Tell um yaa habeebee. LOL scarface@ YOU CAN HAVE THE CRUMBS i've eaten. Aight man, you backed down…..i aint mad at cha……your gangasta card, shopping sprees works on chicken heads who want to spend yo digits. Look here scarface and facklexm, it aint about the dollas, or expensive clothes, or the ryde u give um, take notes yo…..romance is my middle name. Woman want creativity, spontaneity, romance…aint that right ladies? I said women not chicken heads

Brother maybe that is problem for somalia, what u have mentioned. My brother lets be careful of glorifying qabil, clans, our forefathers…..indeed the mushrik Arabs did the same. …They said, ‘No, but this is what we found our forefathers doing.’Quran None is worthy of Glory or Praise, except Allah Alone, there is nothing wrong with loving your kith and kin, your own kind, but not to a point where they are worth praise. Our qabil is Islam, our flag is ilaha illallah wa anna Muhammadan rasulullah, our leader is Muhammad ibn Abudallah, our Lord is Allah, our Guide is the Quran. Islam should be to Somalia as Carbon is to life, it is the only source which can bring peace to our people. Don't u agree? salaamu lah