Naxar tell me then...if Muslims commit these so called terrorist attacks, why has not the biggest attack in history to US 9/11 not invesigated still? Dude wake up and read about it instead of watching fox news or CNN, all this is bullshit...and it works excuse for their impresslistic expansion. NGONGE This is the main message I get from what u wrote: the reactions of the Muslims is wrong and in fact their actions are eroding the faith. In another version your saying Muslims are not doing enough to condemn the so called terrorists and distance themselves from them. Listen sxb, there are no terrorists among Muslims all this is madeup…an excuse to capture more Muslim lands and as the Quran says to eliminate this light of Islam: “Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religionâ€. These so called radicals u describe in our midst are Allah fearing brothers who show the Sunnah, who attend the masjids, who fear Allah…not terrorists…no prove of terrorism other then what u hear from controlled sources. Condemn terrorism all you want, the tanks will keep rolling, more Muslim Blood, until “we will their form of religion.†This is no different from the early crusades but as Allah says never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers. The best solution for the Muslims is to go back to the Quran and Sunnah, follow it, and apply it in their communities. To do nothing as u have said or follow what Naxar said, then that makes us false Muslims, since Allah orders us to apply the shariah and make command only for Allah and abolish the oppression of man-made systems.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^^Heh. I love the simplicity of that argument and would easily agree to it had I not given it a bit more thought. How does Allah preserve Islam? Is it done directly or through his slaves (you and I)? It’s a complicated issue and can not be dismissed with the sweet words of Allah protecting Islam (that’s the ultimate of course but think of how that is done a little, saaxib). Its that simple Islam will be preserved by Allah…your earlier comment sounded to me that if we-the Muslims don’t do this or that….then our religion will be lost….that “terrorism†will harm the faiths Image. It does not and it will not! Everything….all that is happening is happening by the Will of Allah. Maybe we see it has not good at the moment….but much good will come from it….Allah will establish this religion….if we fail the obligations to establish Islam then we will be replaced by a group of Muslims that will. There is a clear crusade against the Muslims…..and to me you sound like an apologetic Muslim. So do tell me what is to be done by the Muslims in these critical times both in the west and at the Muslim countries? Shukran if you can answer.

Originally posted by NGONGE: Now, compare this story to the topic on hand (whilst pardoning the extreme vulgarity of course). What is the greater problem? The loss and erodent on our Islamic principles or the foreign policies of transient super powers? I’m arguing that it’s not the latter but rather the first. For if we carried on arguing about the latter and lowering the pole at every turn, we will soon lose sight of what it is where were fighting for in the first place. I’m arguing that we can’t see the wood for the trees right now and that if our main priority was not about preserving the principles of our faith (even if it makes us look like sell outs to some hot heads) then, in time, we shall not have a faith to protect (not in its intended form at any rate). [/QB] Remember that old saying when it said mecca was to be invaded by a large army and to this an arab nomad replied: The Ka'aba has its Guardian, and He will look after it. But I am the guardian of these camels so where are my camels?" Thus Islam has its Protector...Allah Most Great and Allah shall preseve Islam that is a promise. We should not worry about protecting Islam or persevering it. This so called terrorism is an excuse to make those visable Muslims the brothers with the beards and sisters with Hijabs difficult to observe their religion! Muslims do not commit terrorism. 9/11 3/11, 7/7 was not committed by anyone who believes in Islam...that is not possible! Islam condems the killings of innocents-women, children, elderly ect. It was done by the enemies of Islam. This is said...the resistance against oppressors is rightouse...and there should be no compromise...either the Muslims are free to enforce the Laws of Allah...or the struggle continues. ps: interesting story...got anymore the boy is not innocent since he clearly plotted his scheme...if compared to the list then the boy is Israel with the evil plotting!

An excellent discussion! This is what makes this place!

Khayr Shia teachings are deviance from the Sunnah of the Prophet peace be upon him….clear kufar and shirk….a follower of the Sunnah should not pray behind them since the Imam should be a follower of the Prophets Sunnah. The Nation of Islam call themselves Muslims….but they are Kufar and follow shirk….the name tag don’t matter but the creed. The religion is not difficult….anyone who has knowledge of Islam can tell their rituals are shirk…and are not followers of the Sunnah!! Khomeini’s Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah Creed of Shia Allah Knows Best.

^^^^Right on man! Do not marry foreigners sisters….forget the male converts marry your own kind if u know whats good for u! There are good somali brothers don’t front walaalhi. Why is it only our women and not other women like the arab women, Indian/Pakistani women almost never consider outside their race! Yet u got sistas going for every race: only in my immediate family u got: some marriered to Iranians, Arabs, Blacks, Paki/Indian, Malaysian, and the white converts. Some don’t even know the English language well! What do the kids look like…I don’t c any Somali blood they look arab or mexican! How about our dhaqan and language…will be lost!!! U think these kids will remember their relatives back home in Somalia starving….or remember their linage….heck no! In Germany this summer I met a white brother from Denmark guess what had already divorced two sistas, and on his third wife!!!!!!! Some of our women are cheap walaalhi….even my religious moms was like why would she marry an outsider who alreadly divorced two somaali woman-something gotta be wrong with the dude. Anyway…I hate the idea of seeing a sista with an outsider but this is tiny minority not our aslii women! What was that ice age quote: mammalians should be with mammalians….somali women should be with Somali men! Word!

Originally posted by Northerner: Can one perform congregational prayers with Shias? Simple answer, NO. Its ok to pray with shias in the masjid but not behind a shia Imam. And Allah knows best.

we believe in Islam because we believe it to be truth….not because of our parents. I have read the old and new testament….because there was this preacher kid in school and I did it to counter him. Somali Christians is funny joke….they want us to believe that after reading the Quran, understanding Islam u leave it for a religion that says God (subhanallah!) had a son (how can that be possible subhanallah!) and his only son was killed on the cross to die for our sins. C passion of the christ-subhana! Yet in the same bible it says the son shall not take the burden of the father! Bible, christiantiy, is a joke full of contridictions! web page Islam is the truth simple way of life….and it is a religion for man of understanding. Look at those who convert to Islam-they are learned men and women who searched for the truth much, scientists, preachers, monks, nuns, very educated ppl! Allah says about the Quran: "If it had been from anyone except Allah, they would surely have found in it much discrepency (contradictions)." There is none like Islam and the Quran! But we shouldn’t worry about stories like this…..Islam will exist until the end of times lets concentrate on being better Muslims…..and not ourselves being Muslims by name and not by deeds. Remember a Munafiq is worse then a Kufar! There are more of those I think!

^^^^Some of us are confused as hell and don’t know what to think. Some say the courts are a revolution (we all can recognize the good done in xamar at least), most say same cats with different shirt on -hiding behind Islam but interested in their qabils domination.The hinting of aggression to Puntland, Galkacyo shows the latter. Allah knows best, my greatest hope is the return of Islam not only in Somalia but the entire Muslims lands. A khalifah on the method of prophethood. We, all the ppl of Somalia in the country and outside want peace and normalcy to say the least, how we move forward as an entire nation and not as regions and with whom as leaders is the most difficult dilemma to face. Time will tell and Allah Most Great says: “It is not (the purpose) of Allah to leave you in your present state till He shall separate the wicked from the good.†Right and Crooked will be separated among the Muslims! We shall see inshallah. Inshallah Khayr and no more bloodsheed!

Interesting thread! Can anyone explain why the courts have not moved to the south like afogye? What does this indicate? What is needed is patience I believe. The courts have done termendous good...If I was them I would not push northward while there are parts of the south that are still under warlords....why not teach the ppl Islam...provide schools, healthcare, bring ulmi learned men overseas, from different regions build the areas under their control for now? U know follow the steps of the Prophet like in Medinah? Then push northward bring all of somalia inshallah under Islamic leadership. Looking at reality I think that is long way off there is great deal of mistrust. And in somalia loyalty to clan is greater then loyalty to the Quran. SOS can u translate this part: Hadaynaan xumaantiyo, dilkiyo daynin kala-qaatka Dibaddaan ka joognaa sharciga, daacadda Ilaahe Danbarkeedu waa Jahannabiyo, dogobkii naareede

^^^^yo…u aint the only one. What up Stoic with pastor? Shoundnt the Quran or Hadith make u think? I advice u brother to pick up and read….maturitiy comes from Islam. I know when I become religious…mentally I became old...oldfashioned is my nickname….360 degree turnaround in short time. And sxb when it comes to women….sure we like the beautiful, good looking face, body, sweet character, nice smile, happy person…..but I heard these hadiths in seminar: Prophet (s.a.w) said: "The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman." Thus sxb a righteous woman, a halal woman is the best companion…..the best wife and one to entrust your future children with. And as men we were told: Abu Hurayra stated, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women.'" [at-Tirmidhi] Marka be good to women. It aint hard walaahi…u like a woman…spite some halal game at her….get marriered…have kids….and then die….the end.

^^^^No Rahima is not to have an opinion Bilan u are looking at this situation from a woman with choices by asking "what kind of woman would want...".....these women look poor with little opportunity and choices....perphabs marriage brings better life for them.

The Point brother, lets be real here. I get where u coming from but it seems those against the courts are against them because of qabil...simple. They say it’s the same qabil, “criminals†of this clan which put on a different shirt hiding behind religion….and the main noise is coming from my ppl….reer Puntland. Time will tell I think. It makes me wonder if this would be this case if these men were from different clan….yes perhaps cause there are elements against religion…we all remember the wadaads killed in Puntland by Yusuf. Sure that could be the case with opposition against the transitional government of Yusuf because of qabil….right now in somalia and in many somalis across the globe….qabil is stronger, hatered and mistrust is deep cause of the memories of civil war and previous Somali government of Barre its natural I think….blood is strong….however for those who understand and think of the greater good for the country including many of my ppl in Galkacyo they want an Islamic solution a government with aqeedah and following the Sunnah…progress, peace, stability, jobs, we are one ppl walaalhi….its best to leave this stone age of thinking in terms of qabil….its 2006 men has went to the moon, built railroads underground, trains under the ocean…sitting on billions of dollars and we still stuck in this backwardness of qabil….we have no roads, are ppl die of hunger/malnutrition. why can we put this bullshit behind us…put our heads together think bigger and build our country as one to compete in the world. I went to Europe and Dubai this summer…every time I travel I look at what was built by these ppl….and the situation of our ppl….why can’t we be a ppl that thinks greater then a region…qabil? Allah save Somalia….cause believe me hatered is deep in some ppl. If the courts move to galkacyo miltary which I think they wont then its huge mistake since I know for sure if different qabil even with Islamic banner moves into Galkacyo then a war would result. They are smarter then that. salaamu lah

This is pure propaganda and its not in the peoples interest for the courts to move into Galkayo or other peaceful reagions…..their aim was to clean up the streets, remove roadblocks and bring safety to the citizens of southern Somalia. Inshallah if they are successful in doing so…thus far they have accomplished tremendous good….the rest of Somalia will follow peacefully. Allah knows best but as my uncle has explained it to me these courts were ordinary men who ran schools, quranic schools, hospitals, and because they were being successful doing good for the ppl….the US and Ethopia accused them of terrorism and supported the warlords….the sheiks were killed and harassed…thus they armed themselves and defended themselves and the citizens of Xamar supported them. For those who accuse them of tribalism....well is not majority of Somali citiizens sentiments triablistic? And is not the southern parts a majority qabil….thus its only smart that the majority members of courts hail from a particular clan for now….that shouldn’t not being an excuse to accuse them….look at the good they have done for the citizens that speaks volumes. I have heard the other side too…that these are same criminals who put on different shirt. That’s untrue I think…..I don’t know the reality on the ground. All I know is Somalia has moved forward for the first time in 15 years…progress is being made….good is being done…these are men who are making salat and following the Sunnah and asking ppl to do good and forbidding evil….for that I support them….yes um sure not all are good and many mistakes will be made along the way…however mistakes are made and learned from….dats what the courts are doing! People need to give them a chance. In Islam Allah refers to kith and kin(qabil) in order to be good to them….a way for us to know one another…..however in the Quran Allah refers to other Muslims as “your brothers†therefore the bond of faith is stronger then that of blood if indeed u are believers…Allah united the hearts of the mushrik arabs who hated one another because of qabil and killed each other….somalis who have done this hated their brother cause of qabil are also mushriks and no different then the disbelieving arabs….the best way forward is to follow our religion….this alone can cleanse our hearts…Inshallah right will prevail. ps: sorry if i sound clone of what Rahima said she copied me lool, u are right muminah.

listen-love changes everything….when u love a women u wish to give her the world even if u cant….and if she loves u it wouldn’t matter if the flower u give her you stold from a garden and its not from a boutique…..or you counting pennies and broke….. like the Qabbani poem: if another gives you a ship I shall give you the journey. peace out

Lol @ you women …..wheres tough sheh who used to talk about the brothers egos….by Allah you women have bigger egos then men...chill ladies. Its natural for a women to be emotional or find this untasteful…..Fatima (blessings be with her) while she was alive didn’t want Ali (blessings be with him) to take another wife…thus what can the women of today be expected. If I understood the story correctly the brother married two women same night, there is nothing wrong with this in the religion…. it is permissible to marry up to 4 same night and go to all of them but what is not permissible is that the women see each other. And Allah Knows Best.

I went to Dubai for two weeks this July with my moms……I love my mom….but never will I ever travel with a woman no disrespect…La ilaha illah….all we seem to do those two weeks was shop for dirac and gold….suq after suq after suq. How many diharms? Its 200 dihrams….thats to expensive….okay take it for 120 dihrams…no…ok take it for 100 diharams…..shit where is the set price….how u gonna argue 30 minutes just to buy something! ….and the heat shit I almost died…..it is the hottest place I have ever been to! As soon as we step out of airport the heat gives u salaam and smacks u in the face….and there will be undercover taxidrivers who are Somali that will take u to hotel so don’t worry if its your first time and u don’t have family, there are many Somalis….we stayed at City Gold good hotel I recommend it. I didn’t like dubai at all…but I wasn’t having fun…but was being the bag boy for my moms….I took tour only one night….city looks much better at night and is better to enjoy it at night. And Rahima Dubai is not that religious as compared to other “Muslim†Countries. I went to Jordon while back and as soon as the adan is called every shop closes for salat…..not in Dubai and Its much more peaceful I felt in Jordan….I didn’t get that Islamic vibe in Dubai....but its international city thou. yo North good luck sxb….I don’t see why someone would want to live there…but many Somalis are buying real estate there and starting business….our people are everywhere walalhi working hard….Africa’s finest. ^^^^deathrow lol....walked there day after day with bags after my moms :mad: love u mama

Salaamu alaykum brothers/sisters Brother Nur you said: The respect I am talking about is that we should at least learn from them how well they plan and execute what they set out to do, no matter how long it takes, ( Vision Greater Israel 2020 is on schedule and under budget ). Anyone who does not respect his enemy is doomed, and will never learn to equalize nor defeat them. --I disagree: There is nothing we need to learn from the Jews, nor do we as Muslims need to wonder- our way to victory as an Ummah does not come from watching our “powerful†enemies but by following the Quran and Sunnah. What is happening in the Mideast, in the world should not be surprising to a Muslim since all of this was foretold by the Quran and the Prophet blessings be upon him. Were we not told to follow the Quran, obey the Prophet, follow the Shariah and uphold it, if we don’t, Allah Most Great warned us that the enemies will be granted victory and fighting amongst us will result? Just pointing it out….I know you already know ….as the good Muminah also put it. The Success of Jews shouldn’t awe us, they are cowards, with the latest technology weapons, army, , medicine, support yet are still checked by young soldiers with only heart. Allah says about the Jews: They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls.(hmm in tanks and in jets, cowards!) Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom. Allah Most Great says: Allah has promised to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds that He will of a surety grant them in the land inheritance (of power) as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state) after the fear in which they (lived) to one of security and peace: `They will worship Me (alone) and not associate nothing with Me.’ If any do reject faith after this they are rebellious and wicked. So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity: and obey the Apostle; that you may receive mercy. Never think that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth: their abode is the Fire and it is indeed an evil refuge! And as Abdullah bin Rawahah (Allah be pleased with him said): Men, you have come out in quest for martyrdom. We do not fight the enemy on the strength of our numbers, or our power, we fight them with religion we have been honored with by Allah. Thus advnce towards Mu’tah and the army of Heraclius. Keep your right and left wings in order. Come on, we shall be winners both ways, either victory or martyrdom!. Also it seems to me, that the Muslims are left with dua in their homes like women, as a Falestine woman once asked: Where are the sons of Islam? We are left with only words and dua mama! May Allah remove this cowardness from the believers….part of me thinks this a$$ kicking is for the benefit of the Muslims. And to Allah we belong and to Allah is our final return.

Originally posted by sheherazade: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: Edit why u flipping on Pure Blood on "adoon"...somalis use that word all the time...and act u aint heard it before :confused: .....we are all adoons....best of us are the Most GOd fearing. Somalis are racists against blacks also. salaamun Aniga ima fahmo ee yaa ka dhaadhacin? :confused: what? no jokes...what did u say...translate.

girl is chiense...asians are most racists against blacks.....arab/paki/indian friends made racists comments about blacks-Africcan Americans....infront of me cause they thought i wasn't black...didn't know i was from Africa....dat word stirs emotions....I don't get much offended by it tho....call me terrorist its on :mad: Edit why u flipping on Pure Blood on "adoon"...somalis use that word all the time...and act u aint heard it before :confused: .....we are all adoons....best of us are the Most GOd fearing. Somalis are racists against blacks also. salaamun

Originally posted by Pure blood: Awal ban iri, all other things aside, the huge difference between the nobles and the not so nobles is daqan iyo xishood; they have none. Looooooooool sounds like my grandmas

LOL sheh they say u can never beat a woman in argument....thus I say yes mademoiselle salaamun

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Lily , 'may craete a little new AIDS hell'? I'm sure we are way passed that. I can't begin to imagine how many are already infected (all that cavalier bed and spouse-hopping), but may not be aware of it. Think about it: How much damage can one malicious/unaware male infector do? (Try to imagine the typical marriage path of a polygamous faarax- a wife and two kids in one diaspora city, a new bride in another, a previous wife and kids in a Middle Eastern city or two, and finally setting up a new houshold in Somalia - all within 3-5 years max). How many potential victims? How many children born with the disease? How many destroyed households? The man does not need to engage in extra-marital affairs. His marital ones are dangerous enough. This is all estimation on my part, but I think it's quite close to reality. AIDS would thrive in a society such as ours, where everything is concealed and denied and where a man can tell his wife that's its Anti-Islamic to use condoms or have an STD test and she would accept it (if she was even brave enough to request either in the first place). Ignorance is always a woman's downfall, I think. quote: Originally posted by Khalaf: Aids is man-made. Is that your final answer? You don't want to call a friend? Maybe ask the audience? Talk about stating the obvious. ---LOL Ahura….u think that was obvious...cool...ppl in my class were saying came from monkies, or jungle including the teacher...Listen u can list a million reasons why there is aids….blame it on our secret culture, brothers, polygamy, no condoms …..the fact is our culture, and African culture has existed for hundreds of centuries and ppl been doing it and doing it since w/out condoms no? And this new disease came about in the 70s….my opinion is its biological warefare against the black race which is populating at a fast rate….EU is decling. What do African villagers know….those hospitals with their nurses, needless can give the virus…..didn’t u hear of Bulgarian nurses infecting Libyan children w/ aids? Evil kufars...Africans shouldn't allow them to help w/out other supervision. Its man-made disease, thus it can be cured…..Africans should be working hard in this area more then others….this disease, malaria, and TB. Let us stop waiting for EU to hand us drugs…..we have bright minds…..put them use. salaamun

Originally posted by sheherazade: Teehee. I know what I am and what I am capable of, good and bad. I'm full of self-knowledge. Slide that. I see you have been busy Googling- a lot of tips there, some of which echo my own. Do you remember? Tough sheh, ur typical/predictable u know….I knew u wouldn’t have anything good to say loool….but by saying I googled dat….I take that as your way of giving me a compliment…since dats hard for u to do…gotta keep ur tough image no? and u give urself too much credit….being humble is good Islamic trait. No google sis….um full of awareness/tips…I can school u if u like. That was your response to my tips- u couldn't resist finding a bullet hole in what I had to say. Yet you still haven't provided a solution to your eye-rolling challenge yourself. I hope you are rolling your eyes at yourself now or have u changed your mind about it all just because Google said? Nah uqti…..ur tips were in regards to defense against an attacker w/out a weapon….I asked a legitimate question….the answer I gave I saw on American Most Wanted….. the experts said the victim to fight back and not cooperate. Take care.

Aids is man-made.