^^Amin sxb, this must be haaq when every qabil is joining. dont matter the shady icu leadership no more the war is here and it is somali against the ethopians. But u cats don’t get it, yaa Duke adeeryal? AY aint shit, he can never rule somalia he is being used Duke, this was planed by the kufars and their allies because they know the strong blood ties of Somalis- qabil to many is by Allah stronger then Islam or anything else. Thus they put AY in the leadership of TFG who they hope will be aided by the region of puntland-need a strong ally and this can serve as a motivation for the icu (for some) because of clan hatered....divide n rule....keep reminding them this is about clan....when it is to stop rise of islam. Know the ethios don’t trust him AY, and after they use him, they will kill him and to appease the south qabil feelings give the post to a secular munafiq leader that shares a clan with the south. US wants isreal to check the muslims in Palestine and ethopia to check the muslims in the horn....Puntland should join this war and fight against TFG or warlord secular munafiq leader who is not your clan will be given power over u........that is the plan of ethios/kufars...for the munfaqs to rule not the mumins.

^^^the more they leave somalinimo (aka qabil), and stick to islaminimo (to u arabism) the more makes me shout Allahu Akbar!

Originally posted by Northerner: We support the cause and may allah make you victorious, amiin. People, keep this thread at the top of this forum which seems like it has been 'invaded' by Somalis who support Ethiopia and warlordism! Allahu akbar! Realism would say: ""We support the cause of icu not because we believe they are haaq, even tho we the seccionists wont allow them "low castes clans" to set foot in our cities without being persecuted even their sheikhs and put them in jails to be tortured, but we support their cause for now in "somalia" because they are the enemy of our enemy AY and he hails from a particular clan that stands in way of our recognition. we wish for him to fail and for more importantly for the state of Puntland to fall, its economy and cities to be looted". Who u and other seccionists kidding sxb? U don’t think this is jihad or believe in icu, if u did believe in the bull u spit u wont be a seccionist.

^That is the problem why ppl dont trust the icu their leadership. this is dirty politics and using good brothers, each side will use any means necessary to gain the end objective-the kursi.......the strongest man wins- AY doesnt gives shit and now he has support of governments.....somalia is ****ed the war will engluf the entire country and somali blood will be lost........ppl are skeptical of the icu agendas but at the end of the day they are somali.

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thats dumb yo.....somalis and emotions why we wont have nation long time to come, why battles are lost,......its only the begginning of unnessery war.......and both sides are somali brothers disagree politically but respect the dead sxb and what is happening in our country.....2: ICU is not USC thats what they tell us.....ICU has all qabils including yours.....dont have heartattack if uprising happens in Puntland....if ICU played their cards right the entire country wouldve followed them......but the Plan is Allah Most Great....to Him we should put our trust.....and to Allah we will return.......at least they get some action and die in battle like men.

Kashafa sxb heard all the arguments call it as u c it....... this is not jihad, read about jihad in Quran and Sunnah, and check on somali politics. its all about interest of these power hunger cats on both sides and not the interest of the ppl, the party of Allah would worry about what benefits the ppl, society most and that is not this war! sxb this is not the afghan jihad (supported by the US remember-again dirty politics). Afghanistan was invaded by foreign army, the Russians didn’t want to talk and were aggressors here the aggressors are the ICU, they had the entire south no one to bother them, ppl supported them but instead of talks on the political front with an elected body, patience as Allah commands and building the society they took a path to war against TFG backed by Ethiopia......not smart. We do have this in common wit the afghans we are being used to fight for the interest of others, the ppl that die will be our ppl the land that is destroyed will be our land and after the war-a power struggle back to square one.

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: Che,the Truth will prevail,I have no doubt in my mind,I am this close to leaving everything behind and heading over there,i have already made plans and no I am not kidding. [/QB] lol.......u think u are joining jihad , falistine is fighting too who got a ticket to jannah hamas or fatah? ....waraa go to to hergeysa build orphanage home, masjid, ect sxb.......this aint no jihad this is a joke all politics....what jihad when they are separated into courts based on clan still? if this was is islam there should been a shura between all of um (men from all over somalia) vote for leadership combine all the forces (clans) and give Bay’ah. they havent done it or intend to do it, and they the subclans dont trust eachother, ....no islam, no jihad.....its poltics using islam (or worse thinking this is islam) as the brits say bollocks bloody bollocks!

^^the courts are not ready to face an ethopian army adeer its joke to think they can take on ethopia (if it was a true jihad yes, but this is no jihad its about power, greed), they made fatal mistake in fighting this war instead of talking n buying time. waa la lakala baxaa fo sure, but after the storm who can lead somalia? the courts had their chance to win the support of all the somali ppl, but wa seef labood, no brain walaa.......khalas for dem.

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Duke Smith You supported the Courts when they were fighting other people's warlords and turned against them when you felt your warlord's position was threatened. Were they not "clanish courts" when you supported them? Please spare us hot air. The most disgusting thing of all is: you now support the warlords defeated by the Courts (Qaydiid, Caydiid Jnr, Qanyare, Aw Dheere etc) just because they don't cause a threat to your warlord Yey. Sxb its called politics n worse at that somali politcs none of u have moral relevance over Duke nac nac naga daaf man.........he supports his squad as much as u support your squad or ICU supporters mainly for qabil reasons. This is like a football game, its all about how my squad can win....mentality of somalis for u in a nutshell.....that country is ****ed.

^^deen does teach peace, and thanks to Islam the south is getting peace. heard once the kufars wanted to send condoms, but were rejected by the religous leaders in xamar. ilbaxnimo being more western (South africa, djboubti) gets u diseases lol. anywhere where islam is strong, hiv/aids is low....facts on the ground. Takbir!

Taliban arent we allowed to marry women of the book (jews/christains), whats wrong with shia woman if she is a good woman? for the woman u are to marry a believer in Tawheed (means no shirk "my sheikh has powers" or belief in omens, ect some sunnis do this ie somalis) and one who preforms salat, cant marry a tarag salat. (this is what imam said). Allah Knows best.

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: [QB] I agree with THE POINT,being secular has absulately nothing to do with HIV/AIDS affection,because if that was the case,Southern Somalia which has very low affect rate,considering that it had no government secular or non secular. Red one can argue southern somalia is more conservative (religious)then those other regions of somalia which have problem w/ HIV/Aids. I agree wit that.......more secular/westernized (dijoubti) more cases with HIV.

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: First of all,I agree with Ahmednajad,there was no such thing as holocaust,if I say that,then I will offend Jews,who the heck gives a damn about the Jews, I am a Muslim ,they kill Muslims everyday.Needless to repeat that,but offendign the Somali flag which Hargeysa was the city which it first came up on a poll,meanign that I have equal right to the flag as you,therefore,I can choose to burn,or urinate on it if I have to,and you may suggest for one to not do that,but you cannot take it to a level of restricting someone by doing so. 1. Key is I am a Muslim. That means a Muslim stands for justice......"let not the hatered for others avoid u of being just, that is nearest to taqwa"....the jews were presecuted/killed....put in ovens, women and children.....that is haram and we muslims dont support hatered or presecution against jews........I dont believe in eye for an eye......if they kill muslims it is not haqq to deny them justice because of association.....just as clan X kills my kin it is not haaq to kill or harm someone who is innocent but is of clan X. 2. Quduc's avator is offensive to us and u shouldnt support him sxb. SL flag is not somali flag is it? Marka if u are for SL that means u reject Somalia. MMA or me can insult somalia (that is his flag) but when others do it, it is an act of provocation on their part c the difference?

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^ Let me speculate wildly. You're related to the SSDF, no ? Akhi, if you ask any of these 'jabhads' the reason for their formation, they'll all feed you a yarn about freedom, justice, and democracy. Where in fact, they're all led by power-seeking tribal-centric individuals who have nothing to do with Islam or it's values. Nothing. How different is the SSDF from the USC and the SNM in bringing about untold misery and destruction, together with the Communist regime of Barre, on the Somali people ? Fact check: No difference. Our(the Somali ppl) golden age was the 50's and 60's. Ever since the the coup d'etat of Barre, we've been on a gradual downward slide til we hit rock bottom in '91, and started digging in. brah pointing out facts from the past (to my knowledge).....in the past Barres gov presecuted two main ppl the ppl of SSDF and SNM they rebelled (against the government)........while the USC went on a genocide against civilians.......that is the main difference. Somalia shall rise again inshallah....every nation has wounds.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Didi....You conveniently left SSDF out whose only aim was to dislodge Barre from the power so their clan could return to the blessed days of 60s. sxb dont twist the facts.......the SSDF formed after the crimes that were committed against its clan members including killing of many influential men and raping of thousands of women in galkacayo. cause of the resistance

Originally posted by BOB: I hail from the ancient land where poverty chose to reside where ignorance infested minds tell deceitful tales i swim in the waters where sharks and crocodiles dread to bath where the soil is forced to bear the fruits of raped innocence. I hail from the land where poetry is imprinted on your conscience where poets paint picture perfect paradise inside hell with spoken word where the greatest of minds came to embrace a lonely death. I hail from the land where mothers feed their offspring with hatred where fathers shed the blood of their loved ones to quench the thirst of the devil they openly worship. I hail from the land where love betrayed the last heart that believed in it where romancing the dead became the daily deed of the living where death is celebrated and mourned at birth. I hail from the land where pharaohs came to rest and labeled it the best where African dignity was conceived by the blood of the Darwish warriors where love used to graze under the stars of brotherhood galaxy. I hail from the land where I was born to learn how to earn my peers learned to murder for the dime my friend earned. I hail from the land where miracles come at a price only the poor can afford where hunger and starvation became the remedy for the soul where death and destruction became our legendary international anthem. I hail from the land where dying young became part of parental prayers where reaching puberty is a blessing only few live to rejoice. I hail from the land where bullets rain and death reigns supreme where my mother wept at my sight every time I laid my head on her lap where my father prayed for my peaceful departure before the pain of my demise. Now go on and Guess where I hail from. Peace,Love & Unity. Got mad talent man

"value of compromise" that is the somali problem right there, dont know meaning of compromise. good one adeer

My good deed: there u go

Originally posted by Devilangle: I thought these sheikhs(the icu) are into the totalitarianism governing, what’s with this love connection business. Total bs, as far as I see. couple of middle age ppl acting like as if their in middle of a filming of a hindi movie.. "oh our parents are against our love".. the whole story is a joke and insult. Not a political issue. loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

^^No sxb......reminds me of that hadith that says there will be muslims but our faith is tainted. Important quotes here: I recall my own musical inclinations, and thinking about what turned me off, it wasn’t this fatwa or that, but rather this intuition: I found that it was impossible to keep the Quran in my heart if I listened to music. Try it, and you’ll know what I mean. Listen to some beautiful recitation of the Quran, and then go and listen to music. I actually feel very strongly that music is a form of covering one’s feelings or issues by subverting them through external means… similar to when people consume alcohol to forget their problems. In the Quran, you find that hearing is always mentioned before sight. The reason is that sight is linear: one can only see in front of them, and if light approaches their eyes and enters in a certain manner. Hearing, on the other hand, is encompassing: one hears everything around them. Thus, it’s easy to turn away and not look at something that bothers you, but with hearing it’s altogether different. A prominent theory in modern physics, as well, is String Theory: that all matter is composed of tiny oscillating strings, as those of a cello vibrating at different frequencies. The different oscillations of the sub-atomic strings produce different forms of matter in the same way that different frequencies produce different sounds. So it’s interesting that we recite the Quran aloud: literally the oscillations cause every part of our physical (and hopefully spiritual) being to quiver, and perhaps change our very composition. So it goes with music. So in listening to something, one is actually choosing who they become in a physical and figurative sense. And to finish, a story that I like: After the death of the Prophet, peace be upon him, Abdullah ibn Mas’ud lived in Baghdad, where he taught the people about the deen. One of his most famous students, on his way to lessons every day, would pass by a prominent singer and player of the ‘ud, a very melodious arabic guitar. Each day, this student would fight with the songwriter, cursing him, telling him that what he was doing was haram, as well as breaking his ‘ud. Each day the man would make a new ‘ud, and return to his spot. The student became frustrated and began taking a new route to lessons. Then, one day, ibn Mas’ud himself passed by the road on which this singer performed. When passing by, he simply turned and looked sadly at the man, and then said “la hawla wa la quwatta illa billah…”, and continued on. The singer was curious, and asked his companions who the man was. Upon being told, he exclaimed “What’s going on! His student smashes my ‘ud, but he just walks on?!” and so he got up and ran after him. “Wait!” said the singer, “do you know who I am?” “Yes, I know very well that you are so and so, the singer.” said ibn Mas’ud. “You know me, and yet you walk on by? Who are you?” “I am Abdullah ibn Masud, the Companion of your Prophet, peace be upon him - do you know who your Prophet is?” and so the singer felt ashamed. Trying to divert the subject, and find out why ibn Mas’ud had walked past, he said “Didn’t you think my voice was beautiful?” “It is - but it would be more beautiful were it pronouncing verses from the Quran.” “Will you teach me to sing the Quran?” asked the singer “I will” said ibn Masud, “Come to me tomorrow.” And so the singer became a student of ibn Mas’ud. Upon learning to recite the Quran properly, he never did sing it, nor anything else. Asked why, he replied “Songs and the Quran can never come together in the same heart.” *** I thought it a nice story not just for the musical dars, but also because of the way in which ibn Mas’ud influenced the man - it shows that each heart is as a lock, with a certain type of key. Use the wrong key, and the lock won’t open. If you try to force the key, as the first student had done, it may break off in the lock, sealing it forever. source

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: Anyone who goes by the Quran can make a great leader,as Somalis we dont' require much,we just need simple and honest individual who fears Allah and doesn't steal the assets of the State. loool@ we dont require much......somalis are crazy Red sometimes they need karbash! A diplomat like Sh. Sharif would have hardtime with these hard-headed reer mudug cats...."walaalyal fear Allah"........they will reply "war naga tag"......diplomacy may succeed with reer magal........but the others they need karbash!

^^Red brah wouldnt that be excellent!!!!!!!!! but then fighting would start.......who becomes president? Watch real shit will start when this storm settles........that is why we need a leader. SH. Sharif is not a leader........Aweys is too old....white eyes nobody likes.......Turki (my main man)....i dont know much about ppls views on him.......we need a Sayyid Barre type leader strong but with Islamic Aqeedah.......somalia has no leadership and w/out leadership there will be no unity!

JB, they say u call a spade a spade. Someone is not Muslim because hooyo macaan is a muslim or their name is Abdul, they are a Muslim because they understand the meaning of tawheed 1st n believe in it.......neither u or Cara have understanding of tawheed....prove is your views. I told u to go talk to an imam u replied "why the heck I want to do that?" Wa shash as my uncle says.........u are not interested in Islam/truth, u enjoy to hear yourself speak and to argue what u have no knowledge about.......inshallah Allah will guide but get sincere........truth is sencerity........and as my teacher told me the sincere student learns the most about the secrets of life.

1. No idea what 4.5 formula is, or TFG.... um talking about ideology. And I agree with me's main points: somalinimo wa walaaltinimo. 2. SL and PL maybe healthy spots but they are good for the major clan that live there I suspose, and not for minorites. I doubt a bantu, or somone from minor clan will fare well in "healthy" SL or PL. That is why clan based regions are wrong and unjust-dats the facts on the ground.