Originally posted by General Duke: WOW........our ppl went through all of that and we still cant get along and work for greater good. I dont c why somaliland wont stay as it is.........build rest of somalia first before thinking about somaliland. Caamir what does this mean? Those advocating Islamism must realize that the national political experience of the people is past the age when raw ideology and naked power could resuscitate the State. A Somali scholar and activist, Hirad.

IB ameen May Allah Guide all of us! difference between weak ( a coward) and being soft to your girl the “yellow teath” arabs have a saying: the lover submits to his beloved meaning you will naturally try to please her, make her happy and she does the same.

I like some of his views on building the country, but his criticism of the “terrorists jihadists” and “alien” beliefs introduced to the “moderate somali muslims” is wrong. Those same suadi trained ulma were the ones who corrected the beliefs of Somalis that were alien to Islam. Two Jihad and Setting up an Islamic Government to rule by the Quran is an Islamic duty not “extreme” form of islam. 28 yrs old is young? yo how old are you cats?

lol @ Red Originally posted by OLOL: A M icheal J ordan or M icheal J ackson, if you know what I mean...already O.J. aka Buufis Omar Jamal has been chosen to become the cheif of finance for the Somali UN mission and first secretary, I also heard some female by the name Hibo from Boston will be the Somali consulate general in D.C. well done Yeey...back to nepotism and corruption of 1960s... least u said 1960s, one cat talked about the Osmani sultanates. and sxb the majority of TFG are the clans of the south stop with the whinning.

Originally posted by ThePoint: ^ahh he's a wimp. LG subscribes to the 'if he doesn't beat me - he doesn't love me school' check this man: Tough dudes are more appealing to me, dudes who will say SACDIYO, hada imow or in english: bieach come here now

Xiin, The ICU does no wrong in your eyes? Wala wa yaab..................the main reason TFG is opposed is that people c the clan of Abduallahi Yusuf .........I gurantee with same actions of the TFG but the leader being the clan of the south loyalties would switch,...somalis worship clan adeer not Allah Most Great.....thus true islam rising in somalia is not a political reality anytime soon. Two, give the old man a little credit, he was elected in 2004, for two years he stayed in Baideo peacefully... war i la hadla, lets come to table and talk, survived an assaination attempt on his life.......and doesn’t want ethiopain troops but international troops to stabilize the country and take guns away from all the militias.....but even if he was a saint ppl wouldnt trust him because he is not their clansman! Two odayga built Puntland......and even between close kinship of reer puntland u are aware of the power struggles and bloodsheed..........what hope is there for all of somalia? Only Islam or a dictarship but for islam to rise jahilnimo of somalis most be defeated u only do that by following the nabi scw (educate) not by force or the gun like the icu! with that said i dont think the true believers in the icu will give up this fight........but you need popular support which can only come with an open masscure and oppression of somalis by outsiders (unlikely to happen) or the somali populace become islamized-happens with islamic training, education not bullets. In the end the population will support Islam but jahilnimo most go.

Originally posted by General Duke: [QB] Taliban, the man sitting next to Geedi is MP Ciro from Galkacyu and he is no Ethiopian.. Named Ciro because of his color.......Duke is this same Ciro the gunner? My uncle was talking to an ciro last week.....said they fought in dafourqick together (excuse spelling )....a strong solider.......is this him

Captain X bro, I am new to somali politics but not to world politcs. that objective to rule by the law of Quran is what provided the pretext (excuse) to invade somalia (planed long ago i think) the icu never wanted war listen here I know they were not prefect! most somalis on either side fail to c the big picture man and they are stuck on interests (qabil)...even the so called icu supporters. think about this: Pakistan and India. A lawless region in pakistan declares islamic sharia and stablizes it.......a temporay gov backed by Indian troops with the blessings of the international community (da west) fights these "terrorist group" inside pakistan "defeats" them and installs a gov of their choosing, indian troops will stay in the captial islamabad to save guard this gov........what would be your view if this was pakistan (a muslim country)...would u support this :confused: dont be blind brothers! And watch these videos xalane: google video: America's campaign to suppress islam videos peace out.

^^^Maybe or maybe not sxb, but ya ka caqli xuun?..........xassan turki and co what qabil are they? and many other fighters, suppliers, supporters........they went Jubbs and turki's old hideouts because unlike cities (xamar, kismayo and w/out popular support from populace) it is mountains and many areas to fight, hide and stage guerilla attacks.....sxb its true bad apples in icu those that changed shirts but they are no longer there I think.... a triblist would not scarfice and fight for islam... but the many believers within the icu will dont get that twisted....and they will fight until their objective (islamic state) is established inshallah.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, right, receives Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf at State House in the Kenyan port of Mombasa, Tuesday, Jan. 2, 2007. Odayga is looking very good! :cool: Thanks for pics sxb.

****Somali writers should keep in mind to tone down their emotions. By Omarfaruk Osman Throughout the world, it is the end of the year and the beginning of another. For Somalia, it could potentially be the end of an era and the beginning of another. A quick change of direction and realism has just unfolded before the eyes of the nation’s many stakeholders. The incursion of Ethiopia and its allied TFG, the withdrawal of the UIC and the return of the warlords and their ISBAARO is just about to hit home. The good, the bad and the ugly is yet to come and the scene is set on a new platform. The TFG, Ethiopia, warlords, the US and the Union of Islamic Courts are the main active players. National sovereignty, independence, national pride, Islam and the Somali people’s welfare is at stake and a potential prey. Whoever you are, wherever you are and whatever you believe in, please let me walk you through the corridors of Somalia’s new deadly geo-political platform. A nation and its people betrayed by incompetent, unethical faithless warlords. A group of ruthless warlords controlled Somalia through brutality, extortion and destruction. According to UN reports, “taking advantage of Somalia’s isolation and lack of governance, they profited from illegal international contracts, including fishing rights, charcoal trade, dumping toxic and nuclear waste, trafficking of weapons and drugs”. A member of IGAD, the Ugandan president called their action as a “slow genocide” and requested them to be tried on war crimes. They held the country’s resources and public assets as their own and either denied or charged its citizens for their use. A country with so much promise was turned into a failed state and is now ranked at the bottom of every Human Development Index. One warlord or another is responsible for all the evils that took place in the last two decades, it is a record they are proud of and a fact every Somali knows about. The “TFG” Transitional Federal Government which was made in Kenya, made out of warlords and made by Ethiopia has some stake in Somalia. It is predominantly made up of warlords and put together by Ethiopia. As Somalia’s most distinguished academic Abdi Samatar put it, “they were not elected by the people but were imposed on them”. The warlords were the sole impediment to peace in Somalia that had to be satisfied and of course Ethiopia wanted them. After the TFG was established at the end of 2004, they refused to accept it for more than two years. They refused to give up their warlord status which was more lucrative and started undermining the very government they are elected to serve. For two years, the TFG which was made up of warlords was neglected and abandoned by its warlord members. The Somali people suffered so long and would have accepted anything but as many times before, their hopes never became a reality. For nearly three years, the TFG was based in a converted warehouse, had a partial control of one town and was deemed to be a total failure by its people, its members and the international community. Somalis were told and shown through neglect and blind eye that they had to sort out their own problems. For sixteen years, when the country was ravaged by war and brutal warlords, no one bothered, no one came to their rescue, no one stopped the follow of arms sent by Ethiopia, no one sent peace keepers, no one disarmed the warlords, and the whole world turned a blind eye. The public fed up with lawlessness and extortionist warlords started to take matters into their own hands and repelled. The 2006 year saw two events with two contrasting outcomes, the demise of the warlords in the capital and the rise of the UIC. Off went the warlords that held the nation and its people on ransom for the past sixteen years and inn came the Union of Islamic Courts, a coalition of business people, civil society and local courts. On the 16th of June, the UN termed the takeover of Mogadishu by the UIC as “the most important political event in Somalia in the last 16 years”. It also said that “warlords created one of the world’s most protracted humanitarians”. Everyone was happy and the TFG president congratulated the winners while the PM Gedi went even further by sacking the defeated warlords of Qanyare, Yalahow, Omar Finish and Botan Isse who kept this and the previous TFGs at bay. Other ruthless non TFG warlords who were also opposed to the TFG namely; Mohamed Dhere, Abdi Qaybdiid, Bashir Rage, Abdi Waal, Bebe were all kicked out. Another warlord Barre Hiralle that also despised the TFG’s position of Defence Minister was deposed and humbled by the UIC. The UIC stood up for Somalia and did the country and the TFG a favour by getting rid of the warlords. They promised many goods and delivered so much in such a very short time. They made the ordinary people’s dreams come true and provided a sense of clarity and sincerity never seen before. Now, those dreams are taken away and everyone’s worst nightmare is made real in Somalia. If you are confused, somewhat unsure or even overwhelmed, here are some facts that no one can deny. The UIC came from within the community to attend their needs. Since it was made out of the community, they truly represented their core values and aspirations. They eradicated the inter-clan based fiefdoms of the warlords and set up local administrations based on equality and fairness. Throughout the south, they were wanted and invited by the local people and took nothing away from them but rather organised and set up administrations for them. They did not capture or fire a single shot anywhere outside the capital. They were engaged in only two conflicts, the first when the American sponsored Alliance of warlords attacked them which led to their prominence and the overtaking of the capital. The second one was in Baidoa when they were fighting with the Ethiopian invasion hundreds of kilometres inside Somalia. Now things get more complicated. The TFG claims to have invited Ethiopia into Somalia, Ethiopia claims to have the double objective of both supporting the TFG and getting rid of the UIC. Does the TFG have the right to invite a foreign force against the wishes of its people? Does Ethiopia have the right to invade a sovereign nation on perceived rather than real threat? Can anyone justify the killing of an independent nation’s citizens to preserve the welfare of it is citizens? What kind of government would lead a foreign army to destabilise and create violence in its own land and people for the sake of preserving the stability and welfare of another nation? Please educate me on this, who takes precedent on this issue, the long suffering Somalis, with no protection, no state, no amenity or the unfounded baseless perceived fears of the Tigreans under the protection of one of Africa’s biggest armies and the US as its foster. Who is at risk? Now things get even more complicated. Somalia needed a coalition to fight and tackle their most pressing problems, not a coalition of Ethiopian tanks and MIGs maiming our children. The TFG was set up to simplify and solve simple internal problems not complicate and make it global by selling our people to our enemies. The TFG was set up to bring security and stability. The UIC effectively and adequately filled the gap the TFG was meant to fill. The benefits of keeping and maintaining the stability in hand outweighed the benefits to be derived from making the TFG work. Also, the means of keeping and maintaining the security and the stability in hand was also far safer and easier than the means of delivering that same level of stability through the TFG. If the TFG claims to have invited Ethiopia and Ethiopia claims to have killed 3000 members of the UIC then who gained and who lost. Here we are talking about Ethiopia boosting about killing our people and here to kill many more. There must be a big miscalculation here. Here is where the Somali blood is cheap, a free ride and is not taken into account. Are we just seeing an extension of warlordism or rather warlordism going global. Are people confused about what is an objective and what is strategy? Do Somalis know and warlords care that there are alternative means of achieving objectives and some are more costly than others to the extent that they are not worth pursuing. Here is where people that were meant to lead and make complex decisions failed to make a simple one with grave consequences. How can anyone expect to rule a country after just killing 3000 of its citizens in less than one week and vowing to kill many more? Indeed, this is an act of mass murder and treason. Let us just introduce two facts that will reveal the how the renewed violence only benefits the gang side of the TFG, Ethiopia and the US. The TFG spent three years (60%) of its time and achieved nothing. It had only two years left and was going nowhere. Somalia got what it needed, a secure, stable, disarmed, independent country. The TFG did not deliver what was intended for and simply didn’t work. Hypothetically, let us assume the TFG and the UIC differences were irreconcilable. If a choice had to be made, which one is worth more? Preserving the stability in hand or making the TFG work by force through enemy forces at the expenses of our people. That is indeed a pyrrhic victory. Statically, the TFG had too little a chance of succeeding in the country and achieving anything. They took a big costly gamble. They put their own interest before that of the country and its people. They got their sums wrong because they did not account for the people’s lives and wishes; they did not take into account of the nation’s sovereignty, the understated so many things that will turn against them. They have won a pyrrhic victory. In many ways, colluding with Ethiopia and rooting out UIC is just like getting the country rid of its people. The UIC came from within the community to attend to their most basic needs. They are their sons, husbands, fathers, brothers and so on. They have the support of the people since they stand for their values, interests and above all, their religion. If they have committed any crime to warrant their demise, it is just because they stood up for their people, their country and their religion. Mr Yusuf and Gedi attacked them partly because they want to rule them by force and secondly to satisfy another country and other people’s needs. It is indeed a double tragedy to take away our freedom, dignity and stability to preserve the freedom of Ethiopia and its people. What did our people do to deserve the roars of Ethiopian tanks in the hearts of our land? Nothing what so ever. The UIC had neither the intention nor the capability to threaten Ethiopia. Just few naïve individuals spoke about their minds. There are ten millions Somalis in Somalia and indeed their safety and welfare is more important than what an individual says. Ethiopia has been occupying many parts of Somalia since 1996 and went too far when they came all the way to Baidoa. If somebody saying something against them over a thousand miles away in Kismayo justifies their incursion of Somalia, then that is indeed something we Somalis needed to know and need to do something about. If any Somali wants to buy their baseless claims and that we were a threat to them, just have a look at this. Ethiopia was in the heart of Somalia assisting and preparing the former warlords including Mohamed Dheere and Abdi Qabybdiid to attack the UIC. They were the main obstacles stopping the TFG to negotiate with the warlords. The UIC said the same thing about Ethiopia and Kenya which did not attack. Ethiopia was already on their way and couldn’t care less about the TFG. Ethiopia is getting ever more daring to venture into Somalia and will make it a halaqyo mareen if they don’t pay a heavy price for their current invasion. Now they are coming with tanks and fighter jets and looking for groups, next time they will send just one truck and will demand our leaders. No one will be safe. Mr Yusuf and Gedi opened a black page in Somalia’s history and jeopardised our future. So where do we go from here? With all certainly, Somalia’s current mess and mayhem will proof to be a blessing in disguise. Allah never lets a society down unless they let themselves down and Somalis just did that. The UIC were a god sent mercy after sixteen years of anarchy but the people failed to see and appreciate. They doubted, they hesitated and finally failed to seize the moment. Somalis have always failed to identify their underlying problems as the result of their tendency to over emphasize on non critical internal differences by ignoring their common problems to their own detriment. Somalis will now pay a heavy price for having an occupying military in their land. The warlords will start rambling again and previously unsuspecting Somali heads will turn and toss and finally start to see their common enemy. Mr Yusuf, Gedi and Co will soon be running for their lives as Ethiopia switches sides and sets them against each other. Ethiopia and America’s evil intentions of keeping Somalia in turmoil will become clear for the unsuspecting misled Somalis. The Tigreans will pay for every inch of the land they entered with their blood. The UIC which is not defeated and will never be defeated will lead a united Somalia to a hard earned independence. The Munaafuq warlords who abused and exploited the country and their allied Kufaars will be defeated. Our land, people and religion will be victorious forever. source

Eid Mubarak to ummata islamiya and may Allah give us a good new year inshallah. And may Allah give khayr hassanat, and unity to the ummah of Muhammad scw amiin. Adeer Duke watch and think about this.....i know men who fought alongside with odayga and know him very well and are against him today ideologically that is! Read this: watch the videos Anyway its the game.... it is not cool to call ppl names everyone is a slave to Allah and will answer to Allah Alone. U campained hard and stuck consistency with your position adeer and for that respect. Peace.

Somali politics even from those who claim to support the courts for “islamic” reasons or nationalistic reasons are about tribe interest (not all) but the vast majority. But that aside, think about the big picture the new world order! What do you think about this and Somalia’s place in it now keeping in mind in the 90s there has been a surge of political islam and an islamization in Somalia and with that comes you know who!. Is it unfound paranoia lead by the religious “fanatics” or is it a real conspiracy against the Muslim Nations? Do you really think Ethiopia backed by the West has the interest of Somalia and its people? somalia is strategic coastline, the red sea, ect.....Your thoughts! First watch these short videos very important (4) and read this article! Article Go to google video and type: America's campaign to suppress islam. Video'>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=400894684631274374&q=America%27s+campaign+to+suppress+islam]Video 1

Hanged for the "deaths of 148 Shiites in 1982" on Eid Day in baitul Sham! ^^^^With Rumsfeld, US gov supplied him with chemical weapons to use against the Muslims! And to "We got Him" wa shaash From Allah Most Great!: O you who believe! Take not for 'Auliya' (protectors or helpers or friends) disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves? "Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve".

^^^Somalis are no different then any other ppl, remember the iraq invasion, we kept hearing the Arab street, muslim anger tensions were high in the beginning and afterwards the majority of arabs n muslims went with their business, same here I have joined the fadhi ku diri (very fun-I feel important hanging wit big boys) and noticed the “strong” believes in beginning are gone ppl are mostly talk...........occupiers/dictators know this, as long as there is no open massacres (c Bosnia) and they get their daily bread majority of ppl will live on and go with the tide..... there are few true believers in this world who fight and sacrifice for truth/ideology as those only the wadaads of all clans who fought in the battles against the ethios and who fight throughout the world.........the key is to make the idle majority into true believers.........check Palestine not even they are united against the israelis and you are talking about a united somalia ........a great joke (but nothing is impossible! ) on the fate- region of somaliland nobody recognizes be TFG or ICU.........but Ethiopia supports both the TFG and SL.........landers are a cult when it comes to SL.... it will be interesting but the south is the focus now...... stay optimistic ppl.......The plan belongs to Allah.

^^Forget the courts for sec, their leaders, what happened, ect.......what is the ideology of al-itihad? And what is the ideology of the TFG? After you answer those two questions. Tell me which one is closer to the guide of the Prophet Muhammad scw? After you come up with an answer, again ask yourself can the guide of our Prophet scw ever be "finished" defeated?

Originally posted by raadamiir: Our beloved Capital Mogadishu has been liberated from Alittihad. u are clueless. sxb. Sad day...i never trusted the icu leadership and the tribal elements within the icu.... but the movement itself and the brothers who fought in it were believers and islamic rule is best for the muslims....it aint over ina adeer! Fellow Somalis, if our history of celebrations is an indication, we are in for a sharp letdown. In October of 1969, we celebrated the end of a Democracy. In January of 1991, we celebrated the destruction of the Somali State. And now we celebrate Ethiopia’s occupation of our country. Let’s see what comes next. Do not fool yourselves; there is no way to make this what it is not. You cannot sugarcoat it; you cannot put a positive spin on it; you cannot sweet talk your way out of it. It is occupation, and an Ethiopian one at that. Put it in your pipe and smoke it. article

^^^a rise of an islamic entity in somalia is dangerous....considering the millions of Muslims in Horn (ethiopia, eriteria)...but I think the ICU were inflitrated by the cia "fake" calls for jihad ect when the wadaads as sharif wanted peace ect....i dont think this is over world over battle has begun long ago......this is big game sxbs which started 30 yrs ago and intisfied with the fall of the soviet union........how to stop the ideology of political islam and its "foreign" black flag La ilah illallah, Muhammad Rasoolullah-the same flag of the companions. somalia and somalis are only small part of a global struggle....ya'la iswareerinin.

^^Sxb i was thinking along those lines.....this dude worked against the wadaads who had good intentions for the ppl.....the leadership and their tribal warlords among them killed the movement, and were in bed with "outsiders"-uncle sam.....but the ideology lives and will fight another day......jammat islamiya never goes away.

Originally posted by Nur: Khalaf bro. writes: " a Party of Allah should work for the benefit of the ppl and not bring fitnah to them " Was it the tribalist Fitnah, deceptively forced upon the Somali nation by our enemies through warlords in TFG to break us apart as vengenece for the 1977 Somali Ethiopian war the source of Fitnah, ................. or was the ICU the source of the current Fitnah? Nur SH. Nur, the companions ra never looked at their enemies deeds but focused on theirs....a muslim is weak we are only superior with our deeds and iman....icu actions were wrong wa seef-laboods, committed crimes (kismaayo incident) and they had shady personalities-warlords themselves....why they lost and will always lose unless the movement of Islam changes and follows the nabi scw. the ideology wa haaq, means is wrong. I read that the entire muslim ummah will be engulfed by fitnah (wars, crimes, tyranny)? What misakes were made, and what is going to happen now do u think?

Originally posted by Juje: Just watch how good , fair and representatives government works. [/QB] A "tolerant moderate Islam" huh adeer juje as the one that existed in xamar before, yo business to chew jaad, watch porn, ect......the war on Islamic values is on Juje it is only the begginning Geedi alreadly told the women to take off the jilbabs, cut the beards.......but there are few true believers left in this world.......most ppl go with the tide of the ocean........look at the court supporters here or on streets.

^^^Every dawg has his day huh? Their objective (islamic state) wa haaq their means, and certain individuals was wrong........but they since the 90s set the best ideology for somalia-islam and they lost those battles and this one but will win the war....change jammacta islamiya.

Originally posted by General Duke: The people in lower Shabbele are no doubt celebrating today. Inda-Madobe is no longer in their face, looting their properies, turning their trees into charcoal. But M. Dheerre, Qanyare, Qaybdeed are any better adeer........come on now there are many theives, killers running around and it is ppl that get cheated.........adeer mark my word TFG wont succeed.

Originally posted by Allamagan: ^^^ insha'Allah soon yaa Khalaf! And adeer Barre Hiiraale is the leader of the somali army dheh

Horta what happened to the somaliland airport today.......no flights in or out dheh....and there's not even a gov in somalia yet waryaada watch out now How can TFG work.....either their be swift assinations or things return back to the era before the icu.....there is no trust or love here. Are all the weapons of the warlords transfeered to the TFG?