Originally posted by Khayr: Look, the member (Violet) is asking me a question in a cynical manner, so I gave them what I felt was a proper response. No need to beat around the bush, just tell it straight. I can't argue about hijabis with someone that champions an outright munafiq leader who killed thousands of muslims-all because they waved the flag of ISLAM. Before u give yourself moral authority over others sxb, examine the seerah of the nabi scw and see how he conducted himself with other muslims in particular the respect to the woman-folk and to those whose views he did not like, and while your at it redefine your aqeedah and clear those grave misconceptions u hold on Islam, indeed aqeedah is what comes first in this religion focus your attention on that more instead of hijab........why not question the "flag wavers of islam" like druglord such as indacade who give themselves authority to call for jihad and not fight it in? it is unfortunate what is happening in Somalia and in our ummah in general, but u have no authority to condemn other Somali Muslims who share a different political view which in their sincere minds they believe is best way forward, correct them, reason with them but don’t condemn them to “kafirnimo, munfaiqnimo, and the hellfire” as some here often do, if giving allegiance to AbdiQasins ICU would save them from the “hellfire, kafirnimo, and munfiqnimo” as cats label them, then perhaps they should stop worshiping Allah Most Great, and take Abdiqasin and his crew as their lords? Mida kale its one thing to “qarxis” other fellas but those who take cheap shots at women folk have no raagnimo, ur sad sxb.....man up. Back to your topic ladies.

Be cool.... there ppl who come here posts hundereds of posts been here for years contribute mainly nonsense xaar, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks...know only how to insult others .....at least the brother is real muslim and discusses important issues and may Allah Most High award u sxb.....yes wa jihad sometimes http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002537;p=3#000033 and in this topic, u gave a different prespective n showed Mr. Farah "naughty" stories which i never knew....well done my brother....and keep up the good work

Ladies and gentleman, young khalaf’s honesty and naivety of somali politcs is being exploited by these old cats. You c all he is saying is groups who claim islam should not be shady and have ulterior motives (as facts point out) and should resemble the Sunnah of the Prophet scw, most change yeah? or its just politics one group vs. another use any means necessary ur call. Is that wrong I ask you? How do u reason with such people, who refuse to c any faults of those whom they support? Not much different then hardcore TFG supporters eh? TFG wa wrong, I have said it over n over again they are corrupt but they didn’t claim Islam....am I wrong for stating an Islamic movement most have certain elements in place? Lets take a trip back in history, 1991 and beyond..... Ive asked fadlan ppl correct me if wrong its news I heard...... 1. Ahhh the somali civil war. Abdullahi Yusuf was locked up during this time, and the USC was waging a war, it was qabil vs.qabil. Meanwhile in Puntland bari area was peaceful and the wadaads were given power by the ppl. At that time, Puntlands soldiers were in galkaacyo battling Aideed’s USC. Aweys whose clan was fighting the clan of Puntland in galkaacyo comes to Bari, he is welcomed by the wadaads and the ppl of Puntland, good religious folks who don’t care about qabil to give leadership position to a man who hails from the same clan they are fighting. Puntland is peaceful, business people, the wadaads run the show. Aweys insists they take over Puntland and violently if need be set up shariah. Now this would put brother vs. brother, and create two fronts (wars fitnahs) for the ppl of Puntland, and weaken the front of gaalkaacyo against Aideed and the USC no? One wonders why good Aweys didn’t counsel his closest of kin (USC) who were waging war against the ppl of gaalkaacyo for no reason to stop the killing and set up shariah in Xamar? Any theories my ppl? Yeey is released from jail, he calls a meeting of the elders to calm the situation in Puntland, the wadaads capture him then let him go, he wages a war against them. A big war happens inside Puntland, the wadaads are defeated, and Aweys is let go and returns safely to Xamar, USC goes on wit business as usual. 2. Lets go to Kismaayo now, qabil vs. qabil here also Somalis are a jahil society. And take a look at good Turki. Do wadaads participate in the politics of warlodnimo? Just as Barre Hiiralle is fighting for territory/qabil and blasting cats so is Mr. Turki no difference here. 3. Umm AbdiQasin old TFG president, who (sources again correct me if wrong) assures his folks back in xamar would deliver the election to them loses to Abdullahi Yusuf in 04. Returns to xamar, knows and convinces ppl qabil vs. qabil wont work u win sometimes u lose na mean.....thus devises a plan to set up icu, the other major subclan (Geedis folks) are not wit it, he gives all positions and weapons to his subclan and retains warlords such as indacade wit him. Nothing is wrong with this, they accomplish tremendous good no doubt, but why not stay put clean society? made blunder after blunder and lost trust of sincere somalis 4. Indacade calls jihad, Aweys says they will capture Ethiopia within days. Many righteous ideologists of all qabils sign up for the front lines..........indacade/Aweys are no where to be found.......rumored to left the country and sought asylum didn’t fight in the jihad they called for. Why? Those are fair questions, no? Everyone has crooks on their sides my points, all ive said is those who claim islam need change, or it becomes dirty politcs and in politics its one group against another by any means neccessary. its not about "support" only stating da facts...too many crooks

Originally posted by Northerner: [QB] Khalaf, its quite obvious now that your beef is just with individuals within the ICU. You have not stated anything new. Your objection to them (ICU) is based purely on the individuals you mentioned and not their intentions as an entity. You are yet (after all these months) to clearly give us any idea why you object to them apart from the 'shady' individuals you mentioned. Its clear sxb u don’t want to address the merits of my arguments but are focused on me, why man? Tell me what do I gain from the current situation of Somalia? Why would I want anything but good to happen in Somalia? :confused: U easily forget sxb, I don’t want to repeat myself but here’s what I said months ago: http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002499;p=1#000000 and http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002422;p=2 Can a man not repent? Can a former killer/warlord not repent? Who are you to judge their intentions? lol that’s between them n Allah sxb..... but how did indacade go about his repentance process?.....change takes time no? did he enter a masjid, learn the quran, ect?.......or him and his old milita in split second put on an ciiimaaad and crowned themselves “mujahids”? Mida kale on what islamic authority can a man who months ago him n his militia of druglords were robbing and looting poor ppl, give a fatwah on jihad? And then not take part in the fight? :confused: Do u get what i am saying? Thats past: What is suggesstion now? For divided and weak opposition? Address my points sxb stop focusing on me SB: level of your hypocrisy (sorry don’t mean to be rude) is outstanding.

A written plan of how this grassroot movements intends to engage with the TFG, shed its clannish roots perception, expand its sphere of influence from the national seat to the regional autonomies of the North without destablizing them, and forge a unity is no where to be found. A situation was created where various personalities who spoke on behalf of the movement voiced different, in both its modality and approach, methods in dealing with the pressing issues of the day. Lack of tax revenue and institutional capacity to manage its expanding sphere of influence as well as the inter-clan conflict other than military force frustrated many sincere Somalis who have been wishing UIC the best of luck. When it comes to peace and settling the difference between warring factions, however, it takes prudent, wise, and patient man to bring the conflict to an end. One of the principles Khan listed as one derived from the Prophet's hadyi is: Do not engage in unnecessary confrontation. To bring home how this simple, common sense principle has its roots in the Prophet's days, he cites the Treaty of Al-Hudaybiah that made possible ten years of peace between Kufaarul Meccah and the Party of Prophet. The Meccan's were in an advantageous position and they were willing to enagage the Prophet pbuh in fighting. Xiin forget my "confusions" as u call it.... i think Baashi is at your "level" Adeer ....i take no offense cause um sure both of u are over 20! Well put yaa baashi....dats what i been trying to say but i got called a tigry tank ryder by xiin ......i c u can't say it to baashi yeah huh? "At issue is reconciliation, peace, insurgency, suicide tactics, picking a fight with Ethios in residential area...all these are interesting and pressing issues that reveal great deal of your principle, intelligence, and general outlook in this neverending saga." ^^^true......

Xiin,get my beef: TFG is secular enity ummm why question their actions? On the other hand ICU claimed islam.....or do u have low standards of islamic movements u consider the likes of indacade “mujahids”? They should change, drop qabil stuff and bad cats become brotherhood dats my stance whats wrong wit that? I don’t support TFG we are a contradiction ideologically, but if it means saving lives and less destruction then so be it for now unless the ethios start masscuring ppl.........mida kale you offer no solution other then stating problems.........resistance huh? then by whom and how? My mentioning of other states was to highlight the dilemma facing our ummah.....weak, divided.......

Now/Future:? 1. The TFG assisted by the ethios are here, now what? Ppl keep talking about gaalo ethios this n that? Your point? ummm Pakistan providing air to US against Taliban, Turkey, Suadi Arabiya, Qatar for Iraq, Palestine 50 years occupied in the middle of muslim sea, Lebanon bombed shock and awe by Israel yeah dheh you watched everybody watched, your point? You don’t have to like it, but smell the coffee..... 2.At least in Somalia this TFG like it or not has backing of many Somalis, many more are tired of war and want functioning government any government. 3. Therefore whats the problem? Ahhh the mere fact of ethios on somali soil, the old rivary, fight any means necessary? How and by Whom? Somalia is divided ppl no? Go ahead everyone has right to fight, but then long term outcome stragety, plan ect? weak and divided no ideas ppl.....,mida kala again if it is Islamic struggle the rules are different prove me wrong.....i stated the facts deal wit it 4. People are short-sighted....if u look at history change takes decades, centuries.....

Xiinfiin nah I never heard of that saying, how old u think I am adeer? Adeer I kept it real chew it as u want it aight, there is difference between stating the dirty facts and supporting the tfg, why would u accuse me of two facenimo :confused: cause my mama didn’t raise no fool aight Here are my points sorry for length aight: the showdown in Somalia provided me with an insider look like I never had before. Rewind: 1. Hard facts?: Somalia south is where horrendous crimes occurred, mass killings, rapings, lootings of innocents. A sincere question: when all this was occurring what and where.... were AbdiQasin, Indacade, Aweys the top 3 leadership doing? I heard the story of booqelsawn by speaking out against harams committed by the mooryan and he became a shaheed for it Allahu ya raxamah. My sources also tell me Aweys used to work for Aideed, and Indacade was of course the well known warlord who headed miltiamen setting up isbaaro n snatching off da underwears of many innocent women to rape them yeah? Nigga shouldve been blasted, send his born again a$$ and repentance to the next life 3rd: Abdiqaasin a politician the president of the old TFG (secular entity anti islamiya), after losing to Abdullahi Yusuf in 04 rumor has it went back to xamar to devise a new strategy exploiting an already present but weak movement of the ideologists wadaads who would in turn give birth to the icu shababs. AM I misinformed? 2. back in 2004 somalis elected another government, recognized by the international community, remember “legitimatecy”since the world is a “global village” spearheaded by uncle sam and crew is important in how policies are shaped “sheikh hebel in somalia wants to set up an islamic state in the horn” aint gonna fly in this game. 3. This tfg government was weak, and US, etc were not willing to support it with money/resources ect....shows us they the US/UN Are not here to benefit Somalis but we all know dat. 4. Then to the world’s surprise including Uncle Sam who backed the warlords in 2006, ICU gained victory, and achieves the hard to achieve with Allah’s Help, all Somalis welcomed it. 5. Kismaayo, grievances here and there however not much harm was done for the most part. 6. After the fall of Kismaayo, the icu threat is realized and more careful attention is given to it. Knowing the game however: an islamic movement spearheaded as in this case by unrecognized militiamen to the “world” that is, will not be tolerated, icu falls into the trap by declaring jihad against TFG in turn Ethiopia, in turn Uncle Sam, and in essence the world community. 7. They fight: the true wadaads not qablists bravely. Conspiracies: where and what happened to ahhh Khalaf”s contention the leaders again? U right adeer its shamful to camflauge hidden agenda (ie abdiqasin) with islam....u fail even with good ppl with u....ive said over and over again study islamic history and ask yourself why current movements fail huh? Um sure u heard many times the wrongs/shortcomings of the icu movement, no need to mentioned it again.

waraa taako gabartan violet cadi maha noo qabow sxb, I think she’s from around your bloc, faraheena yaan ka biixiin taan o kaley ar qabo ninyahow.............. ^^beginner af somali

Originally posted by Violet: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: ^^I got afterwords n edited....u got emotional issues homie, its only like saying sxb dont get worked up on it aight homie. Aboowe, sometimes maturity doesn't come with age..so just let him and his comments be. Baayo gacliso or could be too much stress to get worked up on the da word homie....i am not your homie kulaha...miskeen .

^^I got afterwords n edited....u got emotional issues homie, its only like saying sxb dont get worked up on it aight homie. ps: u take jabs (ie violent) and get in between girls because u dont agree with ones point view? sad homie.

^^^ahh got it now brown, ur sarcastic reply. Mantra i still have my doubts-u seemed to me to be religious conscience person and a nice girl, i think u just want piss off peeps.....but to answer ur question someone who "hates" an entire clan due to individuals (AY), and someone because of politics supports one group competeting against another is not the same..

o ready then......Violet the floor is yours

^^^walaalshay gacliso violet mahadsaanid for understanding, and u right the clanits on icu side gave bad image to the sincere movement which i do believe is haaq with few changes.....its not islamic to dislike an entire ppl due to individuals or difference in politics we are one ppl.....only Allah knows best but in the case of mantra i think she got caught up in the mix

^^^^Ayar ina adeer c'mon now, i doubt she meant what she said, she just got caught up in the mix, mantra is cool....mida kale baayo ( ) its not cool to make jest of the shaving the beard (sunnah of nabi scw) because the brothers da wadaads didnt want get caught by gaalo not cool "Khalaf, are you taking over idamaale or soon to be appointed presidential religious ministry?" hahaha i could never serve a secular government sxb wa corruption

Taako and Violet one two punch dheh, waraa Taako Violet wa fire walaa ...gabdahena wey blood badan ka bax! Mantra is nice girl she dont hate nobody (tribe) she just got caught up in the mix......

^^^look ninyahow how some of those cats on that thread making excuses for those crimes even da the TFG supporters blaming it on court propganda...politcs is corruption..

Originally posted by Taliban: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: So 'Sheik' Indhacadde was really a Qari, Imam, Sheik, Mufti all in one? WOW. You're implying he was all those in one? Taliban whats your opinion on Indacade? mida kale u right non-muslims dont want to c good (shariah of islam in muslim lands) which the ideologists of the courts movement (Al-Ittihad) represented, the wadaads have no clan or loyalty to clans only to islamic cause esbtalishing islamic state.... but surely u dont include indacade/abdiqasin.....

"burning of minorities in Hargeisa"..... u gotta be kidding me

^^^I highly doubt that. U comparing the current conflict to 93 shows how naive u are about the new game sxb, ethios are not americans and this is not a conflict with aideed and his mooryan they were insignficant...mida kale US didnt want to lose men on "niggers" and somalia was spared due to clinton wining the elections bush wanted to blast xamar to stone age after things got ugly for the americans but luckly bush lost the election and xamar was spared.....the ethios are diff they are the best force to fight and keep somalis in check....somalis worst feared enemy....enemy that can fight u is one that knows u well and that is the ethiopians.....how many did they lose against erteria 100s of thousands? They dont count their dead, what makes u think they will count yours? Game is complicated sire. also by saying "withdraw" of US troops from iraq/afghanstan naive again.... not gonna happen, US is building more bases n making premenant imprint in arabiya and asia.... more countries are on the way not less.......

dang watch dis i watch the movie but this is real stuff.......i had no idea somalia was like this hell .....ya rabi. part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 how many solers were there in xamar back in 93 or in civil war? how was it like, i am from tanzania no idea....walaalhi ppl went through hell ya Rab.....and will be going through more hell for years to come...allah ha u sahol maskiinta.

yaa North u most not be familiar with world politics and the new world order to ask for legality sxb....."invitation" is just that "invitation" lip service.....UN resoultion, ppls "support" are not needed and wont be asked for....not in this game.....the guy with the biggest gun wants is what the guy with the biggest gun gets. u said:“You talk of the ICU's shortcomings but conveniently forget ministers in the TFG are warlords (comitted acts of terrorism against the same people they 'govnrn' today). I wonder why this forgetfulness ya Khalaf?” Because I don’t share anything with the TFG.....even if they were “saints” they are still void in my book because they are not for shariah however i dont mind tolerating them for the sake less bloodsheed...but those who claim my aqeedah yet in my view didn’t honor it with their bloc of leadership, ect I don’t like more.....ive said from day one before the showdown they most change or they will be blasted and it has happened.....there is great lesson in the story of Dawood pbuh and Jaloot.....u only win with superiority of iman and deeds...."we are lesser of two evils" is not how it works at least thats how i understood it from my study of islamic history.

Originally posted by Taliban: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: source I checked your source and the article you copy-pasted. Your article doesn't state who read/wrote the Khutba; that's weird. As far as everyone knows, the article could have been written by a Shia, Qur'an-aloner, Ismaili, iwm. Until you provide the name of the person who read/wrote the Khutba, I cannot comment on your copy-pasted article. The other thing, the front page of the link you provided appears suspicious: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/ Now back to the topic. Taliban sxb, I laughed when I read this ..... and u prove my point. I would be more then happy since I am very familiar with the topic of the article I posted to provide u articles by well know scholars, books, tapes, videos however before I do that I want u to practice what u preach. heres what u said on page 1: "Obviously, you don't understand what cut n paste means; it means pasting contents, not links. " Thus going back to the article i posted "contents" which focused on the benefits of unity in this ummah and not classifying each other into isms (are u "moderate" or "islamists" your words), can u refute the articles content? Remember the evidence of the article used was from the Quran and Sunnah. Dont disapoint sxb inshallah.

^^^sxb SB it is wise before u quote someone and decide to lecture dem to understand what is being discussed......ina yeey is his own man, with his own legacy, his own ways, cats can about em until their face turns blue I don’t care, it dont concern me....useless nac nac badan dont change nutting on ground anyway...... he’s doing his bidness while cats type away on cyber world crying like little dhooilo...... but don’t jump in a topic about islamic unity and indirectly call me a “munafaq” and “justifying” massacres of muslimeen, say what, who, when?......u got me twisted brah.