^^^^Adeer horta allahu u naxristro daadka muslimeenta that are caught in this unessary violence, it is they who lose the most may Allah help them......mida kale why are they thinking shelling urban areas ninyahow....what does that solve? why do they need xamar.....this Zelwei cat sounds lot like Bush walaa, and his regime aint liked in Ethiopia neither, things look bad for this dude hes deluded....if they-TFG are interested in peace and building government why not pull out to friendly city and isolate the unrulely city of xamar? taas wa iga talow.

^^^ u think that is realistic tho?

^^^I said change takes time sxb.....u dont agree with that? and yes there is more that can be done from our part....but change takes time u know um right sxb mida kale comment on my other topic sxb: Advice to TFG, what do u think is best policy-way forward.....remember the reality sxb in somalia....um realist sxb.....lets say in u achieve ur goal destroy this government and its supporters, what then? After much blood-shed, ect arent u back to square one....still divided? U get what um saying when i say u plant the roots first sxb, then the tree grows strong.

^^^^U spoke well on this topic JJ bro, i agree with u 100% ninyahow, no patience......patience is virtue. Che bro, nah man i wouldnt consider myself neither one in million brah....however u can always be better. Superflous, hear hear bro.....but change take time ninyahow, lets have patience afterall somalia is only what 60 years old?....and yes it starts with individuals.....as for whats happening now in somalia ninyahow ppl just want peace and fighting/killing to end....long way before those ideals are put into practice.....marka have sabar

Um getting more and more news from whats going on, and watch some of the videos, eating each other alive whoe!. I am still very much convinced this is not about defending the nation, or about religion for the opposition, I think its about hungri same ol morya*n...i don’t see shabeebs as in beginning of war who fought following islamic guidelines ect.......no need lecture me folks that’s how it looks to me let it go, cant compare dis to Iraq either, most of Somalia is at peace. Hadaba the government and Ethiopian supporters have suffered looses at least symbolically: helicopter down 13 dead, Ethiopian soldiers captured, and humiliated.....waraa these niggas in xamar can fight hahaha they even took the pants off, and stold their money damn.......16 years of practice in urban warfare is good practice eh, mida kale raagaas ma naxaan, they don’t care for the civilians, their wives, children are used to war and are fighting in urban areas advantage to them, its their territory.........the Ethiopians have disadvantage in urban warfare so they can only just shell the areas and kill the women and children, creating more innocent casualties, and destruction....and hence anger from the population and fuel to the resistance........this is not the way to go.........what is this so called government thinking? why do they even need xamar horta? Do they want to defeat insurgents or build a government? If it is to defeat insurgents, history is lesson this is not da way to go.....u only create more anger......and no matter the might of your army u cant rule a population that is against you. Heres what I would suggest to this TFG side if I was their political advisor, the policy they are pursing only results in killing more innocent lives, ceasefire immediately. Pull out military personal of urban areas, to the airport ect,....which u control. Put a lock down on Xamar nothing goes in, nothing goes out, relocate your government to a friendly city kismaayo or badio, pursue this policy as long as it takes. Time is on the side of the TFG not the opposition, but if they pursue this current policy they will only fail. I think is best choice, stop the fighting, relocate this government........and isolate xamar from rest of the country.

whose we, there is no we in somalis? ninyahow somalis=incoptement, lazy ect......just check on the ones in disapora nooh......i dont c any unity or brotherhood anytime soon......your too impatient sxb "me" much like the dumb hastness of the courts........change takes time....lotta fakers here would make u believe they are wit them for the good fight....but after fight what next? sxb the fakers here will turn against them cause its da "south"....change takes time, patience, and good men united under brotherhood.....basically plant the roots sxb for the tree to grow, there is no roots for somalia therefore u cant have our dream come true-a united somalia.....patience yaa me. Edit: sxb what are u doing hadaba, anything u done thus far? peace out...gotta run

Propaganda may not change the reality on ground as some of u said, one Somalia is muslim two Somalia is african.....however do not underestimate the power of the media, the power of pictures, the power of words (just compare brother superf here vs. the clanists sentiments, which would attract most Somalis.....which calls for unity?.)................Somalis maybe separated along clan lines today......but at the end of the day wa somali .....this is where propaganda comes in to win hearts and minds sxbyall.....to change views............. Most Somalis in Diaspora (don’t underestimate the disapora NG) get their news from clannish websites, with clannish agendas, even the so called “islamic” ones are of flith........thus Somalis remain separated........and u need unity for any effective change. These somali sites need to step up, and take responsibility a moral responsibility, and obligation to all Somalis........for once these clanists on all sides should view Somalia as a nation instead of clans, and as Superflous said appeal to ppls reasons that is if this is going to be a somali fight..........instead of showing burning of corpses which stains ugly the opposition show the suffering of the civilians, don’t call the civilians, the dead by clan but simply somali........thus far the so called somali media have failed horribly.......and more whoever this opposition is we don’t know but they failed horribly as well in the propaganda war.........if the icu is behind this.......where is their speeches, where is their agendas? Sxb they wont be successful by constricting the fight in which is against Ethiopia as u say to one section and making it look its clan thing.........if they want to be effective why not use the media to appeal to all Somalis? Why not be smart since Somalis are clan orientated and reason with all Somalis, and have other men if they do have them of other clans that somalis can say to ahhhh ar ninyahow wa hebel hebel.... give speeches and rally support.........ie the clan of turki went with the icu for what, islamic reasons or they say their dude is there?.......lets get real...maybe some have for "right reasons"........but many more have just cause good ol clan tang “How does Hezbollah do it?” Easy they are brotherhood with clear agendas, well financed, trained, and grass-root support of populace and major country........and they know how to use the power of propaganda to rally the masses....mida kale they are not just a military party-but they defend their territory, but a social party that helps the poor, builds schools, health-care ect.........bottom line they are smart.

Peacenow sxb, I feel ya brah u look at the world and the Muslims are in the worst position, their lands are occupied, their resources are stolen, they are 85% of world refugees, they haven’t produced any scientific innovations in last century, their societies are backward, they have no leaders, their women are second class citizens, their poor are mistreated, marka I think u are just frustrated sxb nothing more playa and its understandable. First Understand this Quranic ayat: “We give men by turns.......”, this is how the world works sxb.....one civilization rises, another falls its part of nature........when Abu Sufyan was asked during the time of the Prophet scw who wins the battles between you and Muhammad scw? He replied sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.........mida kale I don’t think u know the glorious history of Islam, Muslim Spain when the Islamic Empire reigned from the heart of Europe to the Gates of China......I know its just history, but history serves a great lesson what made them glorious and Muslims today humiliated? Was it education? Was it science? Was it Philosophy of men? The prophetic scw mission started in mecca, his followers were mostly poor, slaves with no means, and they were persecuted, but within span of a few decades these poor nomads were victorious and transformed arabiya from warring factions into one civilization and their legacy, the legacy of those Muslims is what produced the greatest most tolerant civilization ever known to man, not only ruled by Arabs as u may think but Asians, Africans it is the only civilization in history to have been ruled and defended by men of all races.......it is the same civilization that up started European Renaissance, the same that produced great scientists and scientific works still used today by the West.........marka ask yourself brah what gave them their rise if not Islam? As for Somalia I honestly think they are the worst Muslims in the world and in muslim history maybe don’t blame clan walaalhi that is just ummm bull......... 1. same ethnicity, same language, same deen...........yes Muslims have killed each other cause of poliics, greed, governments called muslims have committed artoicies bombing civilians, gassing them ie kurds...........but when its between the civilians, the shacabs of Muslims, in the history of Muslims (even somalia=same ethnicity, language, deen) I have never in my life heard muslims even their militias who have ie: gang raped each others women even eldery women and young girls, set ablaze each others dead, or burn alive in fussto other muslims in war.........somalis are the worst “muslims” mushriiks yet they are still proud loooooool

Dude odey ba thay, ee sidaan isku dhan duqa ....walaalhi u guys are jahils to da core its not even funny...xabasho orphen, anger, emotional kulaha war ninku caqli xuumo.....dude um not small thinker hadaba i cant be in your level to engage in insults tho um more den capable....i c it waste of time juding from exchanges here and brings no fruit, c da topic 9 responses only 4 dealing with the topic jahiliya nooh....mida kale whatever happens in somalia politics wise i have no stake in sxb, nor am i small thinker (umm u nooh) dat thinks if one end wins a clan wins ect....dis game was going way before my time and it will go way after my time...marka no angry from my part.....i only hope Allah helps all of somalia Unites them under Islam, dat will happen once the jahiliya mindset (c u homez is earsed inshallah).....haa beenta wa xaraan, everyone heard duuqyasha spilling their clan sentiments, much like what many here hold inside must be hard eh, and Aub says out loud for ya ....like i said u can tell haters in disguise miles away sxb u aint fooling no one. either contribute to topic...or move along sxb....

Originally posted by Jabhad: quote: .and yes the game changed both amongst somalis and thinkin 93 Rangers is same as 2007 in wake of new world order....and ethios will just leave... Warbal maqla. Stop your nac nac and pray as much as you can for 'Em dead rats. "New world order" ;)tell us the success of the new world orderso far?...."ethios will just leave" IA, they will leave humilited. Don't you hope 'Em rats leave Somalia?? Cajiib...Some Somalis are grieving more than 'Em rats. whats wit ....some in your eye sxb? where do you find me greive for emmmm ethiopians?.....cajiib, sxb get a life walaa...ur taking SOL too seriously and views of annoymous people...i said my piece topic: propanda, my stance is very clear on somali conflict....sxb i know what your beef is not my views but ummm my blood init....choke on it homez...dont beat around da bush waraa we know whats up, but keep watchin me i am getting more secerteries to take notes.....and whats with the ethio thing....didnt odaysha say ethios are cool and can stay...but we dont want a certain ummm clan which makes your eye twitch....choke on your hate homez.....get treated sxb asap...u can tell haters in disguise miles away and Islam=Quran, Sunnah, Nabi scw, Companions ra, Salihideen ibn Ayyubi u know their honor, their chivalry, their mercy.....umm I kinda look up to em,

lol @ expose........sxbyall dis kinda of a job for some going after people then ideas miya?...dis section is getting out of control walaa.....it will become garbage do to these emotions and exchanges which um sure will get higher as things progress, moderaters need to step up and protect the intergirty of this forum in which non-muslims and yes including ethiopians view our opinions, they see flithy views between brothers, why blame your enemies hadaba when u got brothers like these nooh...at least if u cruse eachother do so in aff somali, this public forum open to da world! shame walaa....and dis section would be garbage w/out the views of intelligent nomads here. brah Red it seems u becoming more like Aub whom i dont respond...waste of time and not worth my response.....interested in peoples personal then the topics, grab koob shah and read dis, ull find what i think in detail....take good notes. Xoogsade, what the world thinks matters a lot sxb, maybe not in favor of Muslims or to poor Africans, somalia doesnt even make the world news not in america anyway....however world relations are important cant down play dat.........and more what the muslim world thinks......i would say most are hypocrites and probably wont help others....however the thing they call hearts and minds is important....they damage their cause by stooping to savagery and this being broadcasted throughout the world, it brings shame both to somalis and Islam (tho I think Islam is clear from falsehood, but our enemies will use this and say look what those muslims do).............mida kale the suffering of civilians they are not showcasing, this brings you sympathiers and will change views.......bro they say 10% is result of what happens to you and 90% is how you to respond to it..............the opposition (um still waiting for the shabeebs whom I could sympathies with as in beginning of war....not these unIslamic acts) needs leadership and direction if they want to be effective.........how do u think they can make the ethios leave, knowing how world politics works?....think big sxbs....no offense but most are small thinkers. Ps: I didn’t understand your aaf somali

Words can be powerful, but never nearly as powerful as images. Thus far, the world is seeing not the suffering of somali people, but the powerful images of burning of soldiers, mutilation of the dead corpses, dragging of their bodies on the street admits jubilant crowds that look islamic, and chanting of islamic slogans. Or is just the news um reading, mostly English outlets and SOL.... some say: massacre, mass murders, are happening likeIraq......but no one sees those images....wheres the evidence of many dead somali civilians? ie: jubba bombing we heard, see how the propaganda works no pictures of dead....only words not as effective. We must understand how the game/world works the art of propaganda can change views and polices ect. Going back to the images we have seen, of burning, desecration of soldiers. What purpose does this serve? And where is the al-shabeebs that xiin talks about, why haven’t they spoken,? For the opposition does it help their cause in the world’s image including the Muslim world by showcasing their atrocities ? You need allies, or at least sympathizers no? If other side is killing and also committing atrocities , the world is not seeing any powerful images?.....if these people who showcase the burning of the dead knew the art of propaganda why not showcase the atrocities of your enemy, doesn’t that help your cause more, in the least in opinions? Here's the images: warning very graphic, look at them, and think about the message it sends, what kind of message does it send you think considering world politics, peoples opinions including the Muslim World....and yes the game changed both amongst somalis and thinkin 93 Rangers is not same as 2007 in wake of new world order....and ethios will just leave... video: warning, warning scenes of extereme savegery

"He bothered her for a long time - at least four years," he says." ^^^her brother is a coward,...da bitiches who did this to his sisters smelled fear/weakness from em.....anyway i know u cant stop the will of Allah but still....May Allah make it easy on girls.....niggas still breathing redemption go after em

Geel-Jira that was most beautiful speech man and makes much logical sense, thanks brother, u got a gift sxb, thats most convincing speech i heard thus far on the issue. I never questioned clan, I dont care about that, but highlighted the situation in somalia (a mushrik society) no different then the warring arabs separted along clan lines with much distrust, u know the method of prophethood scw to unite them under Islam in which i said the icu should follow if they wanted success but they chose hasty war unprepared, indacade druglord given authority to call for higheest duty in Islam-jihad....they were/are financed by kufar-erteria what do u think about this? 2. Why is it that the Prophet's Islamic movement was successful in short-time, while the present day movements fail to establish Islam in even a small portion of the globe? Sxb we know the problems, but provide the roadmap. Xiin adeer waan ku fahamey...we shall inshallah see

^^^War ninyahow cuuqdaad ku jirto badaana? breath sxb.....funny how u had to respond and the others got da point and kaftan eh? no i never heard of dat saying my af somali is kinda low......amiin sxb may all of dusty poor somalia rise above and become better then India/paki/US and be part of inshallah da Khalifah....somali wa somali your rise is my rise ina adeer...and um not the one here that in every instance thats likes to separte our people...u know who they are nooh as for my arugment not being necessary, ninyahow whatever i deem necessary will be necessary. maaliin wanagsaan sxb

Someone like Horn has right to dismiss PI’s wrongful comment ninkaas wa raageedi ku ma saqjaamo af xuuxmo.....laakin AUB whose was dissing gabdaha puntland yesterday, and comes here everyday with his xaar and insulting other muslims and men behind computer screens has no honor to talk, nor Red whom now also picked up this aaf xuuxmo, talking about the homo talks and backsides of other men and insulting other men behind computer screens and not engaging in civil discussions......yall have no ground inaad afka ku tagtiin PI sxbs Mida kale Red ninyahow, I made myself clear on my last post....I didn’t Defend Xalane I am not him nor control his mouth that’s not my job.....the discussion was between I and Jay and you had to come inbetween like ummmm salaamun sxbsyall

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: the well known believe that politics and religion can't go together! That is smarest thing i have heard u say adeer, keep up the good work, think a little harder and you make the connection that Abdiqasin was an opportunist politician. .......... Let me make it clear: I said there is politics (corrupt) then their Islam which is different then opportunistic politics and follows Quran-Sunnah-Shariah-Islamic state....mida kale didnt abdiqasin head the old tfg (secular) and ask for ethios? ka waraan sxb. peace out, and salaamun sxbs

Xiin adeer u are not fond of theological squabbles, I am not fond of this suicidal mission that you are bent on. As ive said I still have my suspiouns about the icu, from day one I said they must change months ago before I even knew about indacades/abdiqasins/or could tell clan x from y....but lets for sake of argument speak about islamic struggle and how to bring change. I still do not know who these shabaabs are, they may not only be aligned along clan and have clan interests in mind but also aqeedah-this is recipe for disaster adeer, hyprcrisy and islam can not be mixed..........its not about killing men or winning battles but bringing the ultimate change after a war-an Islamic state and for that to occur the stage must be set before you stand on it, and Somalia is not set-this society is no different then the mushriik arabs-separted long clan lines with much distrust, u know the method of prophethood scw adeer to unite them under Islam, most certainly is not the way of this group u support. I for one believe Muslims who are in battle for fisbillihi must be pure both in intent and in their hearts. They must have prepared themselves-both in heart (pure) and physically (weapons,traning ect) before they set foot in the battlefield. I don’t believe in being separated along clan lines, or aqeedah, or being financed by kufars (erteria), or political oppoternuits (abdiqasin) no injustice in the least bit, no shadyness......but one brotherhood, one army, under one amiir. These groups sure can kill, and u may think killing soliders of enemy is success but your achievements will bear no fruit, 50 years in falistine is proof adeer......compare it to the battle of Badr with only over 300 dedicated and committed men that have prepared themselves both in hearts (pure-fight only for sake of making the Khalimah of Allah Great-not killing men, or mixed up wit clans, politics ect) and in weapons as the Quran orders. Why is it that the Prophet's Islamic movement was successful in short-time, while the present day movements fail to establish Islam in even a small portion of the globe? The answer is in the Quran and Sunnah. That is why in this situation-look at reality on ground adeer and your forces, best way forward is what Thirry outlined and I told u yesterday. That’s enough time for a brotherhood to set the stage following the Quran and Sunnah and uniting the Muslims in the Horn not only in Somalia-remember ethiopia in which some ppl want revenage is 50% Muslim......there is politics and then there is Islam adeer......

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^You are down to discussing the means now, eh. I thought your position was the tfg is so powerful that it will win this war hands down. Adeer I said if icu as it was it can not win, hence why these groups fail...and only Allah is Powerful. I dont believe in political motivation when it comes to those who say they defend islam, have u read Sayyid Qutubs milestone? thats where um coming from adeer....u believe in sucide bombings horta?

jay sxb um only showing your hypocrisy adeer truth hurts i know....but keep insigating the blood sheed between brothers everyone knows what u are....like i said we are not on the same level...i dont really converse wit niggas nooh Red ninyahow anigu daadku ma cayo adeer behind a computer screen, waxaas raagnimo maha, i am not tfg supporter hadaba but i know amongst men there are many in MN who support the tfg and um sure u keep your adeeb and behave like good boy around them ...I know the truth hurts to the many fakers here man up sxb dont defend your cousin....mida kale muslimnimo adigu maad ii bariin ma garthay, hadaana ima barkartiid aight. intaas ha nogu akato sxbyall.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Al- shabaabs war drill is on. It seems. At least two dead after Mogadishu suicide attack Its down to suicide bombings now yaa Xiin? remember why i said these groups never succeed? ahh looks like this theard is going inline with what i said yesterday on the other thread. :cool:

Originally posted by Jaylaani: You said it yourself. We aren't bloodsuckers so why invade reer Sool when that is exactly what you guys want? Having a civil in Somaliland isn't the best interest of our diplomatic struggle. These catz will come back when time is right without bloodshed. That was the political model of Cigaal when there was no such thing as Butland and it remains in our political strategy today. Anything else? [/QB] loooool@ bloodsuckers I don’t know what u mean by “you guys”......I am Muslim first and consider myself a Somali second nor have any blood on my hands brah.......ninyahow fact is fact and you’re the one here being the hypocrite: u yell warlords and Said Barre (AUN) name at any chance......but its your administration that has Raayle a warlord that worked ahh let me guess for your beloved Said Barre (AUN), Salinyo umm a bloodsucker, and your praise cats like Waraabe remember he prostitutes dumarka from the “south” somalia as u say its cool init? You are not on my level adeer and I don’t converse with cats like ya but speaking of “bloodsuckers” I am not the one here day and day out that preaches hate and instigates bloodsheed between brothers instead I follow a higher calling called: deenul Islam......marka let me say this there is no conflict nor will there be any bloodshed inshallah, as long as the will and land of SOOL and Sanaag aren’t violated, every enity/government in Somalia past/present/and future realizes that fact be they from Puntland or rest of Somalia-not dividing of Somalia.... When is Queen Elizbeth gonna come through horta? Good luck brah wit dat political strategy...

Originally posted by Jaylaani: Some people say if Garoowe wasn't in the middle, Somaliland and the "south" would have been united long time ago. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk......dis is soo funny everyone knows its a lie and u know its a lie ninyahow come on now.....lets move along hadba.....the issue of somaliland has nothin to do with xamar....but every somali enity be it TFG/ICU ect ect is against somalialands "independence" remember when the icu was running the show in the south....what was all the calacal of somalilands adminstration about then marka? since u say they if puntland was out da middle would "unite" ...come up wit some better brah The million dollar question is WHY BUTLAND IS THE ENEMY OF BOTH STATES? Basically all Somalis. Wadar iyo waaxadka kee waalan tolow. [/QB] Only a jahil (no pun intendend brah) that doesnt know anything about politics would say dis....the leader of TFG happens to be from puntland the spotlight of course would be on his clan, just as during Said Barre's (AUN) regime the spotlight-beef was on his clan.....whoever takes office the spotlight (beeef) would be on his clan its politics sxb thats reality check 101 for ya......mida kale somaliland and puntland have issues over Sool and Sanaag nothin to do wit da rest of country....bal ninyahow a question why hasnt the "powerful" army of SL made any moves against SOOl and Sanaag yet while Puntland is foucsed in the south?

^^waraa Red...waaan ku salaamey sxb. hahaha a small little dusty region is compared to India/Pakistan and to US....somalidu isla weyna.....what would they do if their little regions were Pakistan or India?..............of course a woman can rule little dusty regions like Somaliland or Puntland........come on now.......I gotta u call out brother Taako on da geel-jira views, but horta jaylani sxb who u kidding here......werent u da same cat not long ago telling Violet he doesn’t discuss politics with women, then said women are above somali politics (ahh smooth I give u dat)...... let me guess women are above somali politics but not Somaliland politics? Wa shaash dheh.......mida kale there is no difference between puntland or somaliand....somali wa somali folks. Now hadaba women are half the population, they have as much at stake in society as men.....they should participate in politics, become leaders, and be active members and work for betterment of society......somali women are known for their strength, intellecgence, and their entrepreneurship....my warrior eedos iyo habar yares attest to this fact.......people and religious leaders unfortunately use the deen to keep the sisters out and stay home....Islam says women can’t rule the Khalifah not take office. Edna seems like a great person, people like her should just be called a somali success story......best of luck to eedo Edna.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Khalaf , you seem to be fixated on this tfg, and rightly so. View it as the most negative aspect of Somali politics. It’s a living scandal adeer. Tribally inspired and greed driven men are in its driving seat. Its tunnel-vision-like approach will hasten its demise. The losers are Somali people. The victors are our enemies. What else might you suggest other than tolerating this disgrace yaa Khalaf? [/QB] ^^^Xiin what do u suggest or are u waiting for Sire Baashi?, I have outlined what I think is best way forward considering the circumanstances and complexity of somali politics and the nomad whose views I most concur with is Sir Baashi.....u and other icu supporters-in ur case with the ideologists and I support do have lotta of hot air, empty slogans and are still stuck in past of last june.....true u got vision in which I share but no realistic roadmap considering the regional players, international players-the big game sire and how u intend to bring about change with disunity and distrust amongst the somalis......if u have done that.....then I have yet to see it adeer....only complains of TFG ect ect. With u I share the ideology, however unlike u I don’t believe the courts as we knew them could bring about the objective we wanted-a united Islamic state in its pure form. I believe u know my stance on that, and to recover and bring about this change I have touched on the general does, on point three in my last post on what the ideologists (keep out clanists/looters/warlords/poltical oppertunists ect) should do. Here’s the script um sure u will concur, depending on who u ask tho this is correct or incorrect in Somalia....but for sake of argument lets say this: Somalia is under occupation, western hegemony ect ect. This is not something new, I would tell u over the last century countless islamic movements have formed mainly in reaction to outside influences. Our emotions are stired as Muslims around the world by their struggles and their chants of Allah Akbars check falistine...........yet despite their wide appeal and support.........their achievements have been negligible and they have been unable to reach their objectives or form anything close to modern islamic state? Now why is this so? Will u only point fingers at da boogy man “ da west” to answer.....or not be a simpleton and dig deep into the issues? Your call salaamu lah