AJ walaal, nothing was personal to em......its not about our liking of peoples political stance, I don’t agree to it, and condemn it, but as ive said it’s a political/militarily stance both in history and present da stance: the old regime was faced by rebels: SNM, SSDF, ect a threat to national security therefore they were justified to use force by any means necessary to eliminate those threats, we don’t have to agree to that view, and have right to counter it, since that’s what SOL is made for, but banning someone cause of their political views that’s censorship no? Whats done is done, inshallah lets move on. Two separate: “annihilating” the ppl of Somaliland from defeating the political stance of secessionism, again nothing personal there...many Solers champion this cause. And when, not if inshallah Somalia regains nationhood and unites the first causality will be the enclave of Somaliland, and further the territory held by Ethiopia, it’s a nationalistic idea championed by many Somalis-re-unification not dismemberment of the land many of our forefathers died for. I for one believe Somalis, north and south will pass these testing times and grow out of their jahilnimo inshallah. Time is the best medicine for our bleeding nation and wounded people. Tan labaad sxb um only highlighting ur double standards here, on one hand u say our ppl don’t need war ur absolutely right wa mushriknimo for brothers to fight for nothing! but on da other hand supporting secessionist aggressions-u have right to that I aint mad at cha....but dat would include “securing borders”.....those borders include SOOL and Sanaag thus a declaration of war. The Lake aka PrettyTone, I c u got a new make over for da new SOL.....lovely new name btw ......ninyahow a coward is one who insults other men behind a computer or uses codes like M.F, simply because they are too emotional and can't debate as men no?..mida kale about da streets....sxb raagu wa is-ya qanaa....um sure there plenty of cats at ur hood against da idea of secessionism, or pro-TfG, or pro-Said Barre (AUN) ect......if u got juice then their many pairs of teeth to knock out sxb......or iska jooji the bravado on cyper world brah... peace out

^Violet it was to apease the criers, a political ban walaaleey nothin else. Red i didnt expect u to get it, afterall to u its not about principle: banning peeps cause of af-xuumo,breaking sol rules ect, and not views as was done to Taako, Xalane, AbuAnsar, Bambo,.... but favoritism hence why u support only ur couzos who umm used to say what? and only point fingers at xalane, and PI.......man-up ninyahow. About his hergeysa thread, i could never justify it or support such actions, it is against my conscience I don’t believe means justify da end, and brother said da same thing about gaalkaacyo u don’t see me crying, he is entiled to his military views which means (eliminating rebels) justifies the end (saving the statehood). SOL is place of ideas therefore counter those views and not censor men who never cursed or insulted cats, case closed.

Originally posted by Mj. bada Cas: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: He talked about liquitdating cats, a miltary viewpoint, we dont agree to it, but its viewpoint not insults...nor was he specfic to any region. Too many to count. He was very specific and said that 'seccesionist' aka Somalilanders were rooted and their cities bombarded, and he went on to say 'they' will bring Hargeysa to its knees again. Tell me what is not more insulting and more idiotic and inhumane than such comment. When you argue that thousands of inncoent being killed was a right thing, then you threaten again by saying that you will do it AGAIN, what does that tell you. Is that something that can be tolerated mr. Khalaf. Read everyone of his posts regarding the Somaliland case, sure he has the right to critize but he went too far in many other areas a great example of that would be the recent post about SNM were he made such comments. Red as ive said his views on militarily operations I can never support , we have argued about it several times and ive personally condemned it wa qaalaad, but their views held by militarily strategists both history and present that the means justify the end I can never believe in that personally, but its not about my personal liking, its about the principle here not our personal likeings of individuals and their views, thus cats shouldn’t be banned cause of their views, but their insults against other nomads ma garthey? To u secessionist=somalilanders (a group of ppl), but that’s not how it is seen secessionism is a political/military stance which wants to break up the country of somalia, and take land that is not theirs by any means necessary is it not? Thus to say the secessionist a political and militarily opponents against the interest of the country that they should be “liquidated” and defeated is not an insult or inhumane against a people but a political/militarily viewpoint ma garthay? That was his view, u know all the af-xuumo towards dat brother, and all he said back to yall was dude grow some beard or potato response. Thats all man. Geel_Jira xalane was miltary cat never involved in qabil politcs nor do we know his clan. He said da same thing about Galkaacyo and what happened to them since they were rebelling against the state was right in order to secure peace, its called different views-and many nomads rightfully so countered his views, that is best way to learn from one another, not censoring those who think differently, as was done here. This is not about our personal likings hadaba. Many people here wish to ban duke, because they see his support for the TFG is condoning genocide in the south. Should Duke be banned then because many are against his political views? or should they stop crying and man-up use this place called SOL a place of ideas to intelligently counter those views which are different then theirs?

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: SOL is not a totalitarian site to please on someone's whims. Copy-and-paste, as long as they comform and adhere the rules, nothing against it. If you want to bring your side of opinion, bring as many copy-and-paste as you like. If you don't like to read the other side's copy-and-paste, which I personally do, then don't. We cannot censure what other people bring to this site, as long as it confirms the rules. Looks like that’s exactly what happened no?, why was taako cut then, if it wasn’t to please the criers over here? SOL is a platform, a place of ideas with equal opportunity to all political sides, post whatever propaganda u want, support whatever team u want, u are entitled to that right, as long as u follow the rules and do not insult other nomads. Whats wit the crys, not everyone views the world as u marka u want to censor everyone who doesn’t think like u, um talking to the complainers calcal cats over here? I see some aren’t good at this political game as Duke and Taako, therefore they cried, Duke is da big dawg in da house to cut him means the total collapse of SOL political section therefore to appease the cry babies, Taako who never disrespected no body and told it like it is an asset to dis joint, was cut. Its about principles sxbyall not favoritism from me, Taako, Xalane were big dawgs in political section that didn’t disrespect no body I know dat we all know dat, but due to complains against SOL being “biased” or “clannish” complete lies and we all know it, just cause u can do it like Duke and crew u cry, whose stopping u from countering their arguments or copy-pasting articles what support and ur position? umm none.........Taako and Xalane were cut for no other reason but to appease critics and show SOL is not “biased-clanish” namean.........taan labaad brother abu ansar was new and never insulted no body injustices right there?, baambo also may have used clan names, a pm could’ve worked he wasn’t the type of cat involved in repeated af-xuumo. Bogus process if u ask me. ps: MMA i know ur not Admin bro, only moderator and no one else befits that position in my view u doing a good job and are fair, but since thread is for purpose of saying what we think, i choose to use that quote and tell what i think went down. JZK

^^^^show me where xalane has said that Red?, I know PI has thats why he cant be defended his af xuumo was there for all to c, but show me where xalane cursed peeps, i havent seen thus provid da proof? He talked about liquitdating cats, a miltary viewpoint, we dont agree to it, but its viewpoint not insults...nor was he specfic to any region.

loooooooool@ neglect, lets say what u say is true Red its still a family affair no....since SL in all honesty is a clan thing.... Red brah dont think few hungry politicans paid jawaaan of money represent sanaag peeps, even i know dat that's not the case.....reer SOOL and Sanaag i hear are the most patriotic-unionist somalis u will ever find.

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Originally posted by A.J. Timacadeh: Khalaf, i am only responding to what i observed. there are many people on here that i disagree with but that is fine and i respect the majority of them. However there were individuals here who were always talking about killing and anihilating their enemies which is the last thing our people back need whichever side of the arguement may be. i am sorry but i just cannot stand those like Xalane who were always condoning killings and asking for people to deny diplomacy so that another war could be started. For this reason alone my previous post was justified Ninyahow u are entitled to ur view and how u observe things, but lets remove ourselves here personally since it seems everyone is supporting their “crew”. I stand corrected, what was banning based on af-xuumo or a man’s political viewpoints? In the case of Xalane, it can not be af-xuumo, he was insulted over and over again here, called every name in da book from a retard to cockroach not kidding u, and worst he ever replied was dude grow a beard or potato response! I didn’t agree wit his views and had several arguments wit him, but that’s him yo, if u think it was bout clan think again he said da same thing against all SL/PL and da South, and never indulged in clan poltics. He is military cat and that’s what he thinks in order to bring “peace.” Many ppl including top militarily strategic analysts history and present share those views they don’t come from thin-air, we of course don’t agree to it, but SOL is not about censoring views but trash-talkers which that brother was not even in middle of insults thrown at em. Mida kale u over here talking about wars and that’s what our ppl need last and u be right, but at da same time support the unnecessary aggression and incursions against the peaceful regions of SOOL and Sanaag and take other ppls land by force if need be huh? talk about hypocrisy. I give a military salute to Captain Xalane.

Originally posted by bilan: all the people in that list deserved to be banned long time ago, and they were one of the reasons that i did not visit this website last few months. AU got away with many things, he reminded me Don Imus. wow really? Aub was funny um miss em, i think that was too harsh tho. but for those removed from daily cyper-fahdi ku diri at SOL and battle-zones i can understand how some of the commentary can be distasteful, it used to be like that for me when i joined SOL, never visited politics section...but now after while u get used to everyone and dont mind the af xuumo, lakiin i suspose they (Admin) know what they doing. whats done is done. Ahmed Gure dont speak too soon brah. MMA has more "culprits" in mind. peace out

Salaamu alaykum. Mystic if u dont mind can we make this thread: Questions on Islam? i dont think ull mind marka ill ask a question. Brother Nur and others, this is interesting and clever question, maybe u heard it before but its from an athiest and would like to c what ur responses would be. JZK here's the question: How could an all-knowing merciful God look into the future, see all the people who will be suffering in Hell for all eternity, and still create those people? Wouldn't it be more Merciful to have never created them? peace

AJ sxb cuuqadaad iska bixi sxb, its not raagnimo to hold grudages namean in particular online dang peeps crying ban cats, this is place of ideas, i didnt agree wit some cats on list n their view, have even been insulted by some but dont want them to be banned, or have any grudges against them they cool to me, only ayar wit da af xuumo so their can be discussions. That was xalanes was his viewspoints sxb,right or wrong, he a miltary cat...i had talks wit him both public and private and never agreed to his views, but their his namean, and his always had respectful conduct.....brother xalane has been called every name in da book here insulted over and over again by certain cats, he never disrespected nor got into qabil shit u acusse him of take off ur cuqaadaad glasses homie, worst ever said was grow some beard, or potato response.....ninkas wa raageedi and Admin scapegoated him. Thats my piece. Ahmed Gure as my boy xalane would say grow some beard and come back. peace

^^^walaalshiis i dont giva. um telling it like it is the admin is bogus. xalane is a good dude wit good conduct i know em he dont disrespect no-body, worst he ever said was potato, and was in heated debates wit other cats that aint on no list, i dont think anyone should be banned everyone is an adult and can handle divrse views, even Aub everyone is cool yo. i understand they gotta "clean" dis section up...but all the trash talking was going on, i aint never seen xalane disrespect cats. thats why its bogus.

Originally posted by me: Yea, I didnt even see him do anything...wey xaadhatay. He deserves another chance. wtf? :confused: they banned xalane get out of here!!!!, i dont believe in banning anyone if u ban xalane, how is he any different then Red, Farah Brown, who he mostly argues wit? that is unfair dawg.....none of those ppl should be banned there funny, but why put Xalane in that list. i know the brother he is very respectful with honorable manners.....most disrespectful he ever said was potato. the admin is bogus here, they scapegoated xalane.

^^^What u mean by morality?, and af somali no good , but got jest of what u saying bro. there is many things that make marriage work, lakiin dont u think its the men that are more to blame? ha la yabiin sxb gabadha and their complains, i heard too many times @ hooyoyiinka and odeyasha raagu wa raagi hoorey.

Originally posted by Northerner: Edit U realize somalis have been the only africans in history that have been bombed from the air by the West, back in 1921 against Sayiidka, then 93, and now. Other africans they just pay them, or steal their dimonds/resources w/out going into any trouble. if only somalis could put aside their small differences what a country, what a ppl they would be!

Yaabka during a session of man-talk my uncle taught us when it comes to marriage sxb its not 50/50 or as your example 80% women 15% men, but as the Quran says men are protectors and maintainers of women, that means the burden/responsibility of the marriage will be on the shoulders of the man, therefore u protect ur wife’s well-being not only physically, financially, but also emotionally from stress, worry, ect and maintain your household, there is no need to blame the woman “more”........just as imam is head of community, the men is the head of the house thus if the house fails its more of the fault of the leader. No need to bother ninyahow looking at the asians they abuse their women, or those who fall short on their responsblities as u see xalimos always complaning about "loser" farahs, the guide for us should be the Prophet scw and the companions ra, then there wouldnt be as much divorces and unhappy women. peace out

^^^Why should it get heated? We are Muslims, there is nothing to argue about "re-writing" the Quran. They tried before, they try now, and they can try forever, who cares? Quran is From Allah Most Great and it is protected by Allah Most Great. case closed. peace out Edit: all dis shh against our deen reminds me of that beautiful quote from the arab nomad, who was searching for his camels, and the ppl said to him are u mad, there is a great army coming to destroy the ka'ba, he said the ka'ba has its Lord and its Lord shall protect it, i am the lord (owner) of my camels, therefore where are my camels! Islam is in the Hands of Allah Most Great, nothing and no one will ever defeat it! They too know dat. khayr to ummahtal islamiya.

Originally posted by cynical lady: OKY whats the point of posting that if most of us cant read it? here u go Originally posted by Violet: quote: This is the same girl that took on hidden camera and bursted some imams supporting circumcision in 2001/2. Hmm..Okay. Did she do something wrong? :confused: Yep, read this., she dont deserve what she got....but there is no evidence of burises....they take pictures after crime no?

^^^which would mean those somalis who lie about their "status" to get "benefits" consume haram no? man there is even riba in the land of the ka'ba.....crazy...yet muslims wonder oh why oh why yaa Rabi? thepoint: there are no free-interest banks around ur hood? donating interest to charity gets u no award lakiin money is spent "well". if there isnt free interest banks sxb u dont need to have savings account then, just have regular checking's account.

^^^Lol, thepoint i dont see how its haraam to pay taxes. if u live in these lands doesnt Islam say u have to obey the laws of the land? And if these laws are oppressive to u, (u cant practice ur deen in public ie da time of Mecca), then make hijra to land where u can practice Islam freely. Ninyahow its because they will say taxes fund wars ect.....one brother gave me a whole list of products that fund Zionists, i followed it for mth lakiin become difficult after dat a huge dilema init? Going back to muslims in the West, I agree we must become active members of society and change it for positivly, just like the companions ra who went to all coners of the globe. Think of it like dis sxb, Canada before somalis showed up....was Islam visible as it is today?

Originally posted by Elysian: Raised since childhood to honour SNM as our heros, our freedom fighters, as those who put an end to the suffering and oppression that my people was subjected to, it is with distress I learn about their wrong doings. Elysian salaamu alaykum. I don’t know much about this part of somali history, nor like these endless talk of qabyalats. One most look at the other persons perspective, and see where they are coming from to have any healthy exchange. I heard the atrocities committed by the late regime, against any ppls they deemed a threat that much no one is denying. And the atrocities committed by the SNM, I never heard of this militia before SOL, but its good u along wit others realize their crimes also. That’s not my point though, the former regime or SNM and politics, emotions that come wit it. What I would like to understand as u mention here since childhood u were taught about their legacy, were u not also taught in the same manner to never forget what “they” not a certain regime (that even included current SL officials today) in past-history who was equally brutal to all did to your “people”? U said: I hope when Suleiman passes on the history to next generation, as bed time story for his children, that he does not plant a seed of hatred. ^^^^Isnt this what happens walaal when the history of SNM is passed down seeds of hatred of not for dictatorships, tyrants, and criminals but of certain blood-lines and peoples whom are Muslim and Somali and had nothing to do wit the old regime? This is what I would like to understand, because it makes no logical sense to blame actions of regime on other Somalis, and for that want to dismember Somalia a country size of what New Jersey on the lines drawn by colonial Europeans.

Originally posted by OLOL: Somalis rebelled and stood up to such systems led by such men. Through the last 17 years of civil war and insanity, the Somali business community thrived astronomically thanks to no government intervention of the market dynamics. Originally posted by Taako Man: The only ones who benefit from no government are the scrap merchants and looters who occupied and filled there stomachs with 17 years of Xaraan ku naax lacag and bililiqo. _____________________________________________ ummm on da the topic, Gavin all muslims across the world want Shariah a pure Islamic based government, if there were free elections Islamic parties would easily win, but the stage is not set because there is much corruption in the muslim lands and its against the interest of world powers for the muslims to have Islamic goverance, ie oil natural resources will be nationalized ect. 2. today there is no shariah state, the Irans, Talibans ect none are Islamic based, far from it.....Islamic Shariah in action is what produced the Glory of Muslim Spain ect-democrasy, choice, freedom, protection of the weak, techonlogy, science, fair business, ect come only from Islam. What Somalia needs is a government like any other country, a society cant function in anarchy, where the weak are oppressed ect.....that is against the laws of God and against the conscience of noble men.

Ameen I am well brother alxamdu. Ninyahow, why blame the leaders aren’t corrupt leaders only a reflection of the corrupt society in which they rule? Or as many often do blame the west, secularism, ect ect ect for the problems facing the ummah. Clearly we were told as long as u have the Quran and Sunnah u will never go astry, the ummah left the Quran and Sunnah, what is happening to them is as the Quran says: “And whatever calamity befalls you, it is due to your own doings." The signs are there as u say, glad tidings to the believers lakiin we are told: "Verily Allah does not change the condition of a people unless they change it themselves."....... about "signs" ...ninyahow I read, I don’t remember da book lakiin it was about the afflictions that will befall the entire ummah-it will get much worse den this, and they will continue to be in that state, until an army rises from baitul-sham...to the east of falistine, wearing black......they will go to the people of sham who are fighting amongst themselves at that time and who are astry and tell them to change, the ppl wont listen to them, they will fight them, defeat them ect, unite the ppl of sham wit them........then unite arabiya, and eventually ride to Roma and the city of Christendom will fall to the Muslims.....end of times nooh, glad tidings to the Muslims....we was all talking about dis, wit some christen cats.......well ummm da muslims will be the "losers" in their version ....but our aim should be to follow the Quran and Sunnah, Islam is mercy nooh....there is also hadith that says yaa Ameen that those during the hard times who hold on to Islam ie in da West will have the award of 50 of the companions....inshallah Allah gives all of us khayr. amiin totally off topic....sorry mademoiselle Hayam. .... peace

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: Waxaan ka hadlayey nin sheikh ah oo riyooday. I know, and u gave specific predictions of the future ie an Amir will rule somalia ect.....do u believe in that ninyahow that ppl can predict future events? yes or no? Mida kale i am aware of the hadith and the dreams of pious servents, lakiin how one views that hadith is da key......i know some ppl give lotta credit-power to sheikhs, omens, predictions ect.....its dangerous territory.

Yaa Ameen salaamu alaykum yaa akhi, kaif halakum inshallah khayr walaal...............I think u and Taliban misunderstood Viking. And he may correct me, lakiin the way I understood him was he didn’t say “deley” or “put aside” the commandments of Allah Most Great nothing close to dat, however and rightly so he questioned those who implement the laws of Islam, an example he gave was the corrupt monarchy society of the Kingdom of Suad and I would add the corrupt society of Pakistan, they may think they are doing good for the society however they are contrary to the ways of Islam dont u think? Do u think they are following the method of prophethood scw? Hayam I cant access the audio....therefore cant comment on da topic of muslim identity.....