Duke u are shorting the magnitude of the problem facing this Ethiopian backed TFG. The opposition simply melted away....some of the clan militias switched sides no loyalty there, matter fact could prove to be dangerous,......, while the shababs only changed positions, their leadership still intact. 89% of the population is armed, the same population that was bombed days ago no love there me thinks..........the TFG troops are now easy open targets, since it looks now that "heavy fighting is over", the TFG troops are taking the lead role n doing the searches ect.....the only "positive" development for TFG side is the damage to money side businesses and they will have no loyalty since they were backbone to the resistance........this is only another phase of the conflict, which could prove to be more bloody Duke. It would be in the interest of Somalia, to immediately deploy Muslim Arab/African troops to replace ethios and disarm the public, larger humanitarian effort to help the displaced, and the Arab World, EU help with the peace process................i don’t think that will be the case.......somalia’s bloodly cycles seem to be in many ppls interest both internal and external.

^^^Well i am not talking about next 20-30 years or so.....but 50-100 yrs how change can take place, ethiopia has greater history, more ppl, less fertile land ect then somalia.....history is a great teacher and it could well happen......anyway somalis deserve what they get if u ask me, and what befalls them is Punishment from Allah swt for their crimes and oppression against each other and against the innocents weak, as Quran says whatever befalls u is due to what your own hands have committed. The chicken has come home to roost. peace out

^^^ITs more then possible

From what i foresee (And Allah knows best) from my readings in history class, ethiopia will be the winner over somalia, and the second invasion from the ethiopian highlands will come to inlands of what is now called somalia, may take hundred years but it has started and the recipe for its success is there. The killing of 74 peeps and blowing up shit is not going to stop nearly 70 million ppl of nation, many who do not have the fertile lands of somalia, or the coast of the red sea. Somalis cant get along, and what is happening to them is punishment from Allah "what ur own hands have committed ect".... then let ethiopia take over it will be easy, the violence we see are just birth pains nothin much. Mark my words sxbyall, the flood gates have opened. The best way for somalia is for fighting to stop right now and Muslim Peace-keepers to come, take away all the weapons and rule the country by proxy ect....but uncle sam has other plans and somalis are too short-sighted to c it, what is developing rite before their eyes..... i for one dont buy this so called resistance of getting rid of ethiopia, in OG region or inland now.....ethiopia is here to stay and for long time to come.......but we shall see inshallah.

Castro lets not get things twisted, Khalaf here doesnt support anyone and their corrupt agendas, yep i c everyone as tuug fighting for huungri. I certainly do not support TFG, never did never could and nor support what is happening in mogdishu, ma garthey? Thats is war caad, take it or leave it. I am not intereested adeer in going in circles as happens, the bottom line the ICU called for this war, n their leaders are not in the battle-field the battle they called for....but young kids as shown in youtube videos are the ones fighting.....at least Bin ladan is in frontlines of his wars as any commander would be, not somewhere in 5-star hotels @ Europe calling for more attacks instead of peace and ceasefires.

I haven’t seen any of the ICU leaders in the battle-field for the war they called for, but young milita kids like this one. yaab!

^^^^lol@ yaanan ku arag...yes sir, no sir! hahaha....xiin adeer u cant offend me.....u my elder hadeey my questions are always revlant questions, what I find silly its the simple answers u give to the complicated ground situation in somalia, though u seem to me like u know exactly whats up. Take care adeer. salaamu alaykum

Xiin adeer it was straight question, to clear the air on that issue, though u dodge the crucifix of the issues i raised, the realities on the ground, divisions of somalis ect....but its expected from a simpleton. Have save trip home ninyahow.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^But simple answers are what silly questions deserve, no? ^^^^So this question is silly: Do u xiin underestimate the influence of beel (i suspose that means clan) of Hiiralle in Kismaayo?

Xiinow adeer, it is ur habit to give simple answers in the face of difficult and extraordinary realities on the ground.

Xiin u answer a question with question? Adeer most Somalis are idle participants in corrupt somali politics are they not? Somalia is in a mess and in the wrong hands because of this idle majority, I never understand blaming of warlords ect. But there are active members “strong cats” which take advantage of realities on the ground-the divisions between Somalis. Like em or not they are the movers and shakers in the political bidness of Somalia. Hence AY was able to coerce puntland in this endeavor, though he has no popular support in particular @ Bari................and Hiiralle the main leader of beesha has big influence. Thus because of these realities on the ground tentions, divisions amongst clans ect..........ppl will feel compelled to support their “man” sort of speak don’t u think? Sad but truth. When it comes to qabil politcs (somali poltics) I believe AY is brilliant, he knew the key to Kismaayo was dealing with beesha Hiiralle. therefore why underestimate their influence in Kismaayo as it seems u do adeer, not only Hiralle but reerko daan? Ps: u correct me adeer if wrong peace

^^^^Are u guys underestimating the influence of beesha Hiiraale? Horn, it was a very dumb move to start a fire in an alreadly burning country because of huungri, lets leave it at. I believe u smarter then this sxb, think about what will come from this conflict, if it continues? it is a defeat but a defeat to the ppl of kismaayo.

MY GOD! MY GOD! YA RABI.... waraa Ali expose this little biach!!! hadaad raageedi thay!

^^^^Ninyahow wareer ma jiro ee yaan la is waliin about this one, kismaayo will be solved peacefully inshallah. Afgadud did the rite thing by pulling out....kismaayo is not like xamar u can not fight in that city, if the situation gets worse i wonder what the likelhood of Kismaayo being shelled from the air?

Emperor sxb, care to translate what's the lastest in Kismaayo? Mida Kale meshaan government ma jiro somali na ah ma jirto walle...while Xamar is being shelled, ethiopians are in somalia by the thousands, these jahils say kismaayo baan qabsaaney wa yaab......to speak on the issue in kismaayo knowning the cities tentions between the sub-clans, Afgaduud shouldnt be there has no business to be there, and the city face "leadershiP" ect if u can call it that should been given to someone else who is not from these sub-clans. That's smart politcs if u ask me.

Originally posted by BiLaaL: He neither gives an order of any kind nor transmits or performs the order. Odd really. This man will end up bearing all the responsibility for a war he has no control over. Why hold him responsible, you ask? The simple answer: Because he illegally authorised the invasion of his own country and applauds as his own people are being massacred. A contradiction don’t u think? If he has no control as u say, then how can he have the power to authorize the war? I think we all know why the focus and grievances in this tradgedy is soley on AY and Puntland more so then Geedi and others the main culprits of this war and who are the biggest callers for the shelling of xamar, its all about clan nothing more nothing less. I dare say the conflict would stop if AY was not the head of the TFG, and someone from clan of majority of xamar was given the post. But whatever the outcome of this conflict if ethiopia stays or not, politically entities will come and go, men will come and go, but the somali reality will remain a divided peoples. Ps: How about the chain of command of the opposition on the ground now in Mogadishu? No clear picture.

i suspose some of the girls are innocent, but some are just %$%%#% sorry, that famous youtube video everyone played it wit chick shaking her butt uff nalaytul alayak, its on them namean. and if u good girl dont put urself in that position, protect urself....i know cats that take girls pics wit cell-phones w/out them knowning from da back, ect...reality....but worst i heard this girl her face pic was put on a naked body then sent to peeps......aduunyo!!.....usually happens to gabadha xuun lakiin, usually is key-word here, not good muslimahs with hijabs. ps: one more reason to wear hijab ladies...

^^^^I have read it Thierry, and know the solution to somalia's problems and more to the problems of the entire Muslim Ummah, I dont need an intellectual professor to tell me what i alreadly know, the Quran alreadly has told us. The point: things are easier said then done

^^^Allah knows best peoples intentions, unless u know the man personally, and that is not an easy charge Horn to acusse a man with blatant hypocrisy, what reason does he have to be double-faced fear men none the less anonymous cats then to fear his Creator? maybe its a personal grudge sxb, lakiin the somali in me tells me it is has nothin more to do then with the man's blood-line that you have these suspicions. And Allah Knows Best.

^^^^Good to see ya again yaa Horn, and on what basis would u "bet" Xiin the most vocal anti-TFG man on SOL to be on the side of an entity he loathes very much? ina abtigis, yesterday u supported Hiralle (where is he btw ), who said he would use jews even, and if i may remember correctly not long ago was saying la-jihada the ethiopians? bal ka waraan taas Hornow?

Xiin, "All I'm asking is for you and other vocal anti-TFG folks to put forth concrete action plan on not only how Ethiopia should be fought off Somalia but who should replace them. “ ^^^That’s what I been asking Xiin all along, but reality is not too kind I guess. Adeer Xiin will tell u he doesn’t expect much. Why don’t u expect much horta? One hand he says fight by any means necessary, then one the other lets have reconciliation process ect. Which one is it adeer? And what makes u think the TFG corruption if it is defeated will not be replaced with some other form of corruption, after much sweat, blood, and toil if i may add? Ps: You gotta love politics! The EU unlike the US they always say, we all should know its only poltics and US and EU are on the same side of the da coin, maybe not act so publicly but certainly privately.

^^Odayga du’a buu uu ba hanyahey Alle caqli ha uu kur diiyo, amen dheh.....xasidadad Cara!

^^"Cat fights" is something men should not engage in, lets leave it to the girls shall we? Sorry to disappoint ur entertainment mood, but um sure the old man above u can be at your service.

^^^Red u keep refering to Duke, u want him banned so ma ahaan? um telling u SOL political section will not be the same w/out Duke.....ive seen Duke operate in particular in the heat of the battle many curses thrown at him stayed respectful, and the guy has been consistent to his cause dont have to agree to it, but respect it. And what's so offensive by SNM, u admire them marka thow is that an "insult", insult is being called what u dont like no?. Artful sxb, lol@ dicatorships it works wit africans ma istri? sxb tell it like it is, just dont insult other nomads personally, and AJ shouldnt been banned,....but we aint the admin, u can always PM the admin and tell them whats up namean...."more to come" the white baby face says, why white baby horta damn n not black baby or somali baby?

"I am quite new to this forum, so by the looks of it i need to be very careful what i say" Artful this defeats the whole purpose of dis joint if ppl are careful to air their viewpoints, whats the point marka?. As JB said just dont insult or personalize things. Sxb i dont get it either why AJ was banned, or peeps are getting warnings behind da scenes? peace out