^^^^Thepoint, heres what u said: "You need enough people doing positive thinking to take root before this entire entreprise can get off the ground floor." I agree, as i have said a commmunity of Muslims first adheres to Islam (Quran n Suunah) like that generation in Madinah, then does not the rest including politics, governance work itself out?

^^^^I didnt think i supported ina Yeey, but u and others are keen in allying me with odayga fine, i understand it has more to do with your clanish mindsets. Simple Answer to ur question yaa Lake about odayga.....Abduallahi Yusuf was elected in Kenya in 2004 in a long process by somalis including representives from Mogdisho, I didnt elect him, and then refuse him namean.

^^^Give the china-man some credit, they are behind the successes in Malysia, Singapore no?

^^^^Yes havent we heard dat before? and more there are shias, there are sunnis, there are pakis, there arabs, there are africans there are too many isms, too many problems, nationalism, u name it, therefore its to difficult to implement the Quran in the Modern era? My brother Islam is very simplistic, all is needed is a madinah, learn the story of yathrib, and then follow their footsteps, Allah will aid the Muslims no?. Are u saying that cant be done? Once Islam is implanted in the hearts, does not the Muslim say I hear and I obey?

Somalis are Muslims no doubt and Islam can never be dead, but its not alive either in the Somali community the way it should be. One needs only to look at the majority of Somalis and their obsession with waxa la yiri ninyahow, war saan ba yiri sxbow....how topics such as the disputes over Kismaayo and clan conflicts produce 100 replies or more, but over there at Sh. Nurs corner on the Islamic section on aqeedah and the deen not as much passion from the Somali Muslims, be here or on da streets wa isku miid.....they say before one can walk they must crawl and before one can run they must walk.......that is why Somalia and its people need to be changed, and change is gradual from within ground up, until then corruption will continue not because fault of corrupt leaders and their external allies but the society itself is corrupt namean.

^^^^^ThePoint....sxb u ask a great question, what are the prescriptions? The answer is simple: The Quran. Read yaa ummahta islaamiya. THE UNIQUE QUR'ANIC GENERATION The callers to Islam in every country and in every period should give thought to one particular aspect of the history of Islam, and they should ponder over it deeply. This is related to the method of inviting people to Islam and its ways of training. At one time this Message created a generation - the generation of the Companions of the Prophet, may God be pleased with them - without comparison in the history of Islam, even in the entire history of man. After this, no other generation of this caliber was ever gain to be found. It is true that we do find some individuals of this caliber here and there in history, but never again did a great number of such people exist in one region as was the case during the first period of Islam. This is an obvious and open truth of history, and we ought to ponder over it deeply so that we may reach its secrets. The Qur'an of this Message is still in our hands, and the Hadith of the Messenger of God - peace be on him, i.e. his guidance in practical affairs, and the history of his sacred life are also in our hands, as they were in the hands of the first Muslim community whose equal history could not produce again. The only difference is the person of the Messenger of God - peace be on him; but is this the secret? Had the person of the Prophet - peace be on him - been absolutely essential for the establishment and fruition of this message, God would not have made Islam a universal message, ordained it as the religion for the whole of mankind, given it the status of the last Divine Message for humanity, and made it to be a guide for all the inhabitants of this planet in all their affairs until the end of time. God has taken the responsibility for preserving the Holy Qur'an on Himself because He knows that Islam can be established and can benefit mankind even after the time of the Prophet - peace be on him. Hence He called His Prophet - peace be on him - back to His mercy after twenty three years of messengership and declared this religion to be valid until the end of time. Therefore the absence of the Messenger of God - peace be on him - is not the real cause for, nor does it explain, this phenomenon. We look, therefore, for some other reasons, and for this purpose we look at that clear spring from which the first generation of Muslims quenched their thirst. Perhaps something has been mixed with that clear spring. We should look at the manner in which they received their training. Perhaps some changes have found their way into it. The spring from which the Companions of the Prophet - peace be on him-drank was the Qur'an; only the Qur'an as the Hadith of the Prophet and his teachings were offspring of this fountainhead. When someone asked the Mother of the Faithful, Aisha-may God be please- with her,-about the character of the Prophet-peace be on him,-she answered, "His character was the Qur'an" [ Al-Nisaa] The Holy Qur'an was the only source from which they quenched their thirst, and this was the only mold in which they formed their lives. This was the only guidance for them, not because there was no civilization or culture or science or books or schools. Indeed, there was Roman culture, its civilization, its books and its laws, which even today are considered to be the foundation of European culture. There was the heritage of Greek culture- its logic, its philosophy and its arts, which are still a source of inspiration for Western thought. There was the Persian civilization, its art, its poetry and its legends, and its religion and system of government. There were many other civilizations, near or far, such as the Indian and Chinese cultures, and so on. The Roman and Persian cultures were established to the north and to the south of the Arabian peninsula, while the Jews and Christians were settled in the heart of Arabia. Thus we believe that this generation did not place sole reliance on the Book of God for the understanding of their religion because of any ignorance of civilization and culture, but it was all according to a well thought out plan and method. An example of this purpose is found in the displeasure expressed by the Messenger of God - peace be on him -when 'Umar-may God be pleased with him-brought some pages from the Torah. The Messenger of God-peace be on him-said, "By God, if even Moses had been alive among you today, he would have no recourse except to follow me" [Reported by al-Hafidh Abu Yala from Himad, from al-Shubi, from Jabir.] It is clear from this incident that the Messenger of God - peace be on him - deliberately limited the first generation of Muslims, which was undergoing the initial stages of training, to only one source of guidance, and that was the Book of God. His intention was that this group should dedicate itself purely to the Book of God and arrange its lives solely according to its teachings. That is why the Messenger of God -peace be on him-was displeased when 'Umar-may God be pleased with him-turned to a source different from the Qur'an In fact, the Messenger of God-peace be on him-intended to prepare a generation pure in heart, pure in mind, pure in understanding. Their training was to be based on the method prescribed by God Who gave the Qur'an, purified from the influence of all other sources. This generation, then, drank solely from this spring and thus attained a unique distinction in history. In later times it happened that other sources mingled with it. Other sources used by later generations included Greek philosophy and logic, ancient Persian legends and their ideas, Jewish scriptures and traditions, Christian theology, and, in addition to these, fragments of other religions and civilizations. These mingled with the commentaries on the Qur'an and with scholastic theology, as they were mingled with jurisprudence and its principles. Later generations after this generation obtained their training from this mixed source, and hence the like of this generation never arose again. Thus we can say without any reservations that the main reason for the difference between the first unique and distinguished group of Muslims and later Muslims is that the purity of the first source of Islamic guidance was mixed with various other sources, as we have indicated. for more source

Originally posted by Xoogsade: [QB] Bro Che, they won't be left alone to meet the social needs, these warlords need to make a name for themselves by fighting our core values. I believe Che put it nicely when he said invest in somalis, from the ground up and u would be rewarded, change the society from within. The wadaads throughout somalia since the fall of Siad Barre (RIP) have done very well educating the somalis in Islam, Somalia is more islamic today because of their efforts, just ask the elders. The biggest mistake of the ICU was leaving Xamar, if u have xamar u have the entire nation in ur hands, ports, airports ect ect make it a madina community, build it following the footsteps of the nabi scw... because what are u more interested in? Serving the people and improving their livelhood according to the Islamic way, the way of Nabi scw or expanding territory and gaining power in politcs? hmm? Somalia is a Muslim country and its people are 99% Muslims their core values are Islam be they in Hargayso, Garowe,Abuwaak, Kismaayo, or the capital of Mogdisho that will not change or can be under threat, only political Islam is, not in Somalia but throughout the ummah, therefore its adovcators need a game plan in dealing with the realities of the world order.

Originally posted by NGONGE: Things have really never been better for those countries. And they have never been worse for Muslims in the west. ^^^do u just want to take the opposite train of thought here yaa NG come on now. I get the feeling that ppl think Muslims are “inferior” compared to mainly the “powerful” dawgs of the world no? Hmmmm, if Muslim world is backwards then who is enlightened and forward? With all dis technology, sciences, and wealth accumulated most humanity is in poverty, tens of millions die of diseases, not to mention how the good technology of the enlightened western man since WW1 has killed, gassed, shocked n awed, and destroyed the lives of hundreds hundreds of millions of people throughout the world. But hey that’s progress I guess.

Salaamu lah I know some of us know bout dis....and some dont. To those who still eat @ KFC, Churches Chicken, red meat, chichken from other fast food chains watch dis video.....i think its clear from the video its not halal to eat. N pizza cooked in same spots as pork pizza whoa. and reer taco bell ummm check dis yummie dheh stop eating fast food marka. peace

Originally posted by General Duke: Wallahi I just find it amusing. walaalhi i second dat. I dont get it! Makes no sense whatsoever!........ Kismaayo is a somali city, with many different peeps, many houses and businesses....be part of the community, build the city, become part of city and help it grow like everyone else namean....lakiin is sa soo taag kismaayo ana iska leh even considering the history arriving @ say what 99 is beyond amusing God bless my reer abti

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: quote:...sxb about my statement many senior nomads have confronted u about Shariif Xasaan for qabyalat reasons, also supported the Ethiopian intervention in badio (RNS?) ect, u never confronted those senior nomads but in turn confront young Khalaf who doesn’t know u as well as they do from previous exchanges. Bal maxa...hmmm? Have you read this aan ku qoray that above post; if you haven't, let me quote myself again: "I do not give the satisfaction of answers to some aan isku xishoon meeshaan ku jiro, but since you believed their crap, you needed to be cruely reminded and awakened lest you fell for their garbage again." I simply do not read, let alone answer to, some's posts on this forum, including with their desperation, insults and wildest allegations. I just dismiss them. However, you, the "good wannabe young sheekh," fell for it, without aadan hubsan xaqiiqda. You needed to be awakened, as brutal as it was. You are even alleging Xabashada ayaan support gareyaa. Intee ku aragtay anigoo Xabashi la jiro, let alone their invasion of our land, including Baydhabo? Ma wax caddeys ayaa heysaa ka ahayn what vomited junk some spew on here? Hubso intaadan afka iyo gacanta soo taagin. I am answering to you because, again aan kugu celiyo, you believed qashinkaas ay qoraan. This is not the first time for you blindly believing the drivel some drool on here, without aadan hubsan, so it became a norm for you. Waa iga been sheegatay, beena ma fiicno ee mar dambe ha igula imaan been. ^^^War ninyahow SOL is a forum where ppl share ideas, and exchange viewpoints, some qarxises, bashaal, iyo buuq......its is not a place where individualstic believes and values are formed...waa ku sidey yo....come on man be it aint dat deep over here dont know bout over there tho...... i most of hit raw nerve duuqa for u to go on an unnecessary calcalal tantrum, take a deep breather don’t rise your blood pressure it aint good for ur health neamean.... a simple statement with a question mark I had ie (I suspose? Meaning umm is that true?), that many senior nomads confronted u with but as u admitted ignore always which does ummm give a different impression to viewers when done not once, twice, but several times...sxb u didn’t awaken naaada only wa isku xaraathay duuqa....regardless of what is said here and how it is said its forum of course with various cats....but what separtes raaga into different leagues is how they respond namean and if u had any intellectual capability in the light of your position as a moderator of this forum and as a senior nomad u would simply responded differently duuqa.....but I guess that was too much to expect so sorri adeer.

^^^Duke u are very optimistic ninyahow....i used to be like dat until i came across the somali reality pure jahiliya. Those nations u speak about came back because the effort of their people, somali badanah are not wadaani cats nor do they believe in the greater good, wa selfish ....ask not what ur country does for u but u do for ur country namean? Mida kale ppl shacabka dont want this government and its characters, city is still heavily armed....i fail to c how it will work

^^^what is there too look forward too yaa violet? North they mis-handled the war, the poltics, everything wrong from the beginning. However i think the conflict not only in xamar but kismaayo ect is a long from over due to somali reality. Halgan indeeed brother we pray for peace inshallah. quote: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing Edmund Burke ...dont like the dude Burke but hey makes good sense.....no complains namean.

Originally posted by N/AA: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: MMA a supporter of Shariif da qaat seller and Ethiopian intervention (I suppose?) until sharif lost his position Khalaf, alle ku garowsiiyey taa, goormaan soo bandhigay taa! Horn bal translate ninyahow? Af somaliga um learning big time.....lakiin aint that good namean. still talking about Al-Azhari dang peeps.....I agree doesnt matter ur education background ect,......the art of public speaking is key and Al-Azhari has zip. Halgan brother with all due respect, ninyahow u complain too much, even somthin as insignficant as SOL.....asking for cats to be banned on SOL, complain complain, complain. u are somali, somalia is your country, somalidu is your ppl it dont belong to TFG, to ICU or none of these polticans it belongs to Somalis namean? If u believe that these men are evil as u say, and what is happening is evil take action man people need to stop complaining.

MMA wa isku xaarthay. My simple statement made u go off on tantrum and insulting my person? I didn’t insult u man, only made a statement in which several senior nomads here have made to u before, if it is inaccurate all u had to do was tell me so, I would’ve apologized, u can even see the question mark I had....nothing more ninyahow, u didn’t have to insult me or make the topic personal. U are the moderator here man, u seem to forget that a lot, people were banned many of them new members with lack of experience as u have- for insulting others and making topics personal, yet u cant follow the same rules of this site which gave u the authority to implement its golden rules.......sxb about my statement many senior nomads have confronted u about Shariif Xasaan for qabyalat reasons, also supported the Ethiopian intervention in badio (RNS?) ect, u never confronted those senior nomads but in turn confront young Khalaf who doesn’t know u as well as they do from previous exchanges. Bal maxa...hmmm? Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: PS - A little 'brotherly' advice: Iska dhig ashahaadadaas aad meesha suratay since SOLers ogyihiin waxaa aaminsantahay. Adeer bal kaaleey markaan dhiigayo ashahadah deenteyda Islamka iyo calaankii Sayidna wa Maulana Muhammad scw ma adiga iyo Solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan amiinah? Markaan dhiigayo ashahadah deenteyda Islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan cabuuda? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda Islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan uu salaada? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan uu zakaatda? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda islaamka ma adiga iyo solerkaan aa sheegaysiid baan uu swaama? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan uu haajiiya? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan cidi waliidkay uu nacaamtira? Markaan dhigayo ashahadah deenteyda islaamka ma adiga iyo solerskaan aa sheegaysiid baan ka caabsooda? Or Allah subhana wa tala the One Who created me and whom I shall return to baan uu shahaaata? .......ninyahow I have never claimed to be a wadaad nor will ever, u not I used that term here......I am simple Muslim that loves and prayers for the well being of every Muslim unquestionable, that is why I gave an allegiance to Allah and His messenger Sayidna Muhamaad scw, upholding haaq and being merciful to others is my aqeedah. Don’t accuse me ninyahow of qabyalaat iyo quuraan.....labaadabah adiga aaya atoora ku ha. While I was in my hooyo’s womb in Dar es Salaam u was in secondary school somewhere in Somalia....and since then has been involved and talking qabyalaat iyo quuraan......while this “young boy” didn’t know anything about somali poltics, their politicians, their names ect ect.... before few mths ago here on SOL ma garthay? Lets not get it twisted adeer just to score some points because u felt offended. Somalinimo iyo the xaamari niko iyo xaamari music aad ku caqliyeey sathay kuu eeko.....raagii Islaam iyo Masjid iyo Quraan iyo Hadith iyo Allahu Akbars ku aff barthay n ku caqliyey sathay waxba uu ma sheegii-kartiid adeer.

"The real problem is the heavy arms" ^^^^Exactly Duka, a huge problem 89% of the city is still heavily armed add that to the elements in Mogdishu that want to keep that city forever a clan city, thats not a secret we all know dat n a huge motivating factor to keep up the fight.... beesha odayasha and today's "truce" is to buy time Duka.........As ive said in the other thread we shall see if this TFG and its allies are about serious bidness or not....numero uno to be "successful" would be to disarm the city immediatly a very diffcult task. g'nite. wa salaamu alaykum.

^^^Duke inshallah lets hope for the best though i am doubtful considering the reality of somalia lakiin anythin is better then prolong warfare and being a "gangland" as i read in one article....Inshallah Allah ha u sahlo daadka back home. U read dis article apart from his views on "extermists"....i think he made a lot of sense. article take care

Sxb Tahlil it just so happens to be an SOL tradition from the anti-tfg crew to twist every topic namean: "Markii Geel loo heeso, Gorayo u hees", only diagnosed the recurring traits, nothin personal namean. Topic was about: this man.....messing up in one incident on camera vs. his long experience in somalia and its politics rather positively since the days of President Sharmakee RIP, nothin more nothing less.....take it or leave it no need to drag it on namean. "wallee Habarta odayga wax loo saarr"....no idea but u can translate it brah.

looooooooooL@ i spot a doqon from million miles funny man yaa Tahliil.....sxb i am not defending him or could ever agree with his and their political positions.....to me i see many crooks, corrupt politics on all sides.....and no matter how one calls it the other side looters, criminals that held the country hostage for 17 yrs...who burn dead bodies ect....qalaad qalaad ma saxoo is my philosophy.....muslim blood was spilled by a kufar army hadaba....thousands of poor somalis had to flee their homes....600 died of diarrhea ect, new refuggees-new wounds desended upon on a wounded ppl.......properties destroyed,ect ect all in the name of bringing back the nation from those who rule by the gun........a nation whose destiny is being chaired by greedy cats in Washington and London whose "benevolent" record towards the Muslims and Africa is in the history books and continues today....i know all dat man, I aint blind..........but that was not the topic sxb check just above ya....marka sxbow gorayo ha u heeseen in every topic...thats it namean. peace out

Originally posted by Ms Dhucdhuc & Dheylo: No need to wear a ring. This is dhaqan we never had. Why must we follow alien culture? Wearing white dress, throwing the flower bouquet behind you, and wearing a ring and even going to honeymoon..I personally boycotted them all. AAllahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! La ilaha illa Allahu Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Wa Lillahil Hamd. "I marry thee in the name of Allah subhana wa ta'ala" is suffice enuff. ps: Gold ring is forbideen for men just in case didnt know namean. peace out.

Tahiil, Somalidaa ku maahmaahda, Markii Geel loo heeso, Gorayo u hees (got dat from Hungri big ups learned something brah) This is what started it, MMA a supporter of Shariif da qaat seller and Ethiopian intervention (I suppose?) until sharif lost his position said about Al-Azhari: Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Those are just a tip of a long list. Of all, Ashari is the one availed to speak to international media most of the time. And we see how he behaves like. When people are recruited because of ilmo'adeernimo, not merit, then waxaas camal ayaa arkeysaa. Tons of them waaye. [/QB] GD only showed the man’s background who was involved in the early days of Sharmaake (RIP), was tortured in the chambers for more six years and had a span in somalia and its politics ranging 30 years vs. one incident on tv nothing more nothing less.

What happened to fighting the ethios until they leave somalia, what happened to this being a somali national fight? Or better an Islamic fight? Is the war really over? Or is somalia about to enter a new phase of the conflict? big question mark indeed, but according to the TFG mission has been accomplished in the battle-front. "The President tonight announced the end of the war. He told those fighters who are still hiding to report to AMISOM and surrender their guns." "The government forces with the support of the Ethiopian troops have completed the operations against the terrorist groups in Mogadishu and they have accomplished their mission," the President said during a press conference at the presidential palace. "We call on the people who fled their houses to get back and maintain their normal life." source

Originally posted by Socod_badne: For the record Shariif Xasan is helluva better leader than this whiney wimp ever will be. sxbow let me get this straight this man Al-Azhari who spent more then six years in the torture chambers and survived is a whiney wimp and is better leader? very funny dheh ps: thanks for the 411 Duka on duuqa Azhari.... waxu ku hadaleey wa qalad.....lakiin i had no idea he was amongst those early men.....many great men perished @ those chambers may Allah's mercy be on them and forgive Jalle Said Barre RIP.....

Definition of Tribe/Clan: A group of people united by kinship and descent, linage. It came from Allah Most High, is in the Quran, and traditions of the Messengers of Allah. Marka how does tribe make one kill other Mulsims, rape Muslim women, or hate/discriminate another Muslim because of blood ties? Does that make sense? That makes no bloody sense..... What has caused this cancer if not pure jahiliya like the mushrik arabs before the coming of Sayyidina wa Maulana Muhammad scw? Castro what ur getting at is why the non-Muslims states are high-flying and we the muslims are low? The Quran clearly says: We give men by turns........basically every man- civilization has its turn........... There are many verses in the Quran like this one and the nabi scw talked about ppl being destroyed because of their sins: “See they not how many a generation We destroyed before them , whom We had established in the earth more firmly than We have established you , and We shed on them abundant showers from the sky , and made the rivers flow beneath them . Yet We destroyed them for their sins , and created after them another generation” Sura Al-Anaam Ps: IF the Muslims were true believers would they be in the situation they are in today, weak, oppressed, humiliated, and pitted against each other, their cities bombed? Why always the blame game, when the fault is clearly theirs to begin with for abandoning their covenant with Allah Most Great to obey the Quran and Sunnah? Bottom line Muslims are far from deenul Islam.

Waraa salad jelle, what changed dawg from saying this not long ago: "This war is againts Ethopian aggression and there tool /sell outs . The struggle againts Ethopia will never be forgoton / this event will be marked in somali history" and threating gaalkaacyo here: TFG supporters will feel the pain when Galkacyo gets attacked soon time waite and see . source lol funny character ninyahow.........May Allah help the ppl of Somalia, their suffering is long from over.