^^^^mashallah, Allahu Kabira....race with each other to good deeds, the way to enter jannah is very easy May Allah bless them. This organization is also great, may Allah bless them amiin. Hirda, Kafaalo

Originally posted by Naden: quote:Originally posted by Abdi_Xaafid: "Don't worry, o RasulAllah. I heard ALLAH say: 'I make Jannat haram for every one, only the people of Muhammad are inside it,' " How do you reconcile this detail of the tale with 2:62 or 5:69? salaam yaa Naden, i have never heard of dat hadith. And Allah Knows Best who among the followers of nabi scw will enter Jannah. But about the ayats of 2:62 n 5:69, the order of those verses was succedeed by the verse 3:85. It is obligatory to believe in Nabi Scw. i get the feeling u heard that before but was not satisified with the answer, only a hunch.

I would like to understand how these conclusions was reached by the Culima! Culimadaas ayaa shaaca ka qaaday in wax shaki aysan ku jirin in qofkii naftiisa waaya isagoo la dagaalamaya ciidamda Itoobiya ee jooga dalka Soomaaliya uu galayo janada. Waxaa kale oo ay culimada Soomaalida ay sheegeen in qofkii dhinta isaga oo ku jira safka ciidanka Itoobiya aysan wax shaki ku jirin inuu naarta galayo sida diinta islaamka ay noo sheegtay source 1. Only Allah is the Knower of the AL-GHAIB-the unseen and knows the intentions of people and knows who will enter jannah and who will enter Nar (the unseen). On what authority have ulma in this case say one side will enter jannah, the other will be in nar? Considering these verses from the Quran: Say: "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen but Allah; and they do not know when they shall be raised." [27:65] Which brings me to my next question, because i hear there are two clear cut sides to the conflict, true believers vs. munafiqeen. 2. Aiit explain to me how the ICU are haaq ku dirir islamically, and by islamically can only be when its on the method of prophethood-purely for the sake of Allah Most Great Alone which would divide the people into two camps that are clear cut. Lets rewind the show back to the orgins of the ICU, tell me how they followed the method of prophethood scw since their humble beginnings in xamar to kismaayo and beyond? *****bringing peace, stability, the dislike of warlords, national pride, injustices, Ethiopia involvement, American conspiracies ect is not what I am interested in i know that alreadly, but was this movement purely islamic for the sake of Allah Most Great Alone, on the footsteps of nabi scw and the companions ra and if yes, explain how so because that would make the ulmi's conclusions valid and hence there are two camps clearly, if not then how grave are those statements by the Culima? And Allah Knows Best. Just thoughts that i have not found any convincing answers too,. ***********

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^^^Tan wa miid walaan ***be burned or stoned to death with "dagax'.*** Naago walaan iga dheh.

^^^istagfrullahi! ps: Ebyan come on, u cant think of anything?

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: The so-called qabiil i come from is dissed 24/7 on the net all kinds of hate is spewed to that clan name on multiple forums because of the Bangladeshi imposter's actions but the strange thing is, when reading those comments i feel nothing, i do not feel insulted, my identity is simply intact but if someone badmouths ''Somali'' or ''Somalia'' it becomes serious and i rampage bassicly my Qabiil is Somali. Anyone that askes me that question in real life will receive the same answer, not because i'm a ashamed or anything like that but simply because i don't identify myself under such myopic names ''Somali Musalman'' Salaamun yaa akhi. Brah um call u out on dis, cause I aint getting what u cooking here. Check dis If u ask me yaa akhi, who are u? I will reply ana Muslim! That means I as a follower of Muhammad scw wish for forget Somalis but for every Muslim, more den billion ppl around da world what I wish for myself, dats from da heart as Allah is my witness. That is part of aqeedah, part of Iman, no question, I am a brother of every Muslim, their honor is my honor, their success is my success. But hold up, what da deal? Heres da deal, check dis say I as a somali Farah is with couple cats from Yeman, we are all Muslims no?. I believe in Islamnimo namean. And we start talking, and they start talking down not kaftan but spiting hate about “those Somalis”, “those negros” and what not......aiiit let me apply ur "noble principle" here I don’t care its all good hahahaha I believe in Islaminmo namean, I only go on “rampage” and get “serious” when islamnimo is talked down. Or my principle knock the suckers out, like X said send em to cemetery....have I lost my islamnimo hell nah but I got some else dat goes with dat islamnimo its called juice aka blood. Substitute islamnimo for somalinimo. Brotherhood is a two-way street man.

Originally posted by Xanthus: [QB] quote: Real talk here sxbyall reality on da ground in Somalia........what has my qabil done for me u ask? In Somalia it has given me a name, and a home to belong to. Ahhh lets see, I go to Abuwaak I am told that is not the land of my fathers. I go to Hergaysa I am told that is not the land of my fathers, I go to Mogdisho I am told that is not the land of my fathers, I arrive in Galkaacyo and welcomed as the son of my fathers. Hayee taasad keent after all, So much of Muslim, unity etc. ^^^^^Say what yaa ukhti? How does me stating the reality on the ground in Somalia relate to my belief in Muslim unity and Islamic brotherhood? So much kulaha, step back ukhti, think, then respond before u quote moi.....did I create realities of Somalia heckie nah, do I believe in it heckie nah, does it exist heckie yeh. No one here is talking bout ur girlfriends around da block and how yall deal we are talking bout the harsh ground reality in Somalia, min fadlik ukhti don’t talk about Y when I am talking bout X. Originally posted by Xanthus:I think women are less qabilist, with the exception of Ebyan in this case Naga dah on da real? aiiit, bal adiga ii sheeg horta why u are waving the red, white, and green and campaigning for the “un petit pays”, instead of the blue flag? No need for peace, prosperity jumbo jumbo, the main source of inspiration is, in this case, any answer ukhti? Xiin, "my politics" of dialogue and engaging in peace process with the help of the Arab Leauge ect is "cool" and wise may i add for the average poor farah and xalimo back in somalia, then for somalia to become a "new iraq", car bombs, sucide bombings, and the war games between ethiopia and eritrea, come on duuqa!

Xiin somalidu waxeey tiraahdaa, markii geel loo heeso, gorayo u hees . Duuqa dat reality in which i highlighted exists in Somalia, sad but true. ps: whats ur point of asking Ebyan qoldeey thay? :confused: . Since u havent figured it out alreadly allow me to tell u wa gabar Muslimat ah oo Boqorat ah. um out salaamat.

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Ebyan: I spoke too soon. It seems like the pseudo-intellectuals on this forum have freed themselves from the mental shackles of qabil. My comments still ring true for the average Somali. No list, eh? I thought so. Real talk here sxbyall reality on da ground in Somalia........what has my qabil done for me u ask? In Somalia it has given me a name, and a home to belong to. Ahhh lets see, I go to Abuwaak I am told that is not the land of my fathers. I go to Hergaysa I am told that is not the land of my fathers, I go to Mogdisho I am told that is not the land of my fathers, I arrive in Galkaacyo and welcomed as the son of my fathers.

WOW I like how all of you are twisting Ebyan’s statements. What Lilly is saying is noble, and all of us including Ebyan believe in it. Somali wa daad muslimeen ah, oo walaalo ah, and dis qabil qashiin (da qabyalat) goes to sub-sub sub level it never ends, and wa mushriknimo really how somalis treated each other. But the topic at hand is what Ebyan is talking about da reality on the ground in particular back in Somalia, in which cats are ignoring. Originally posted by Ebyan: Okay, we're obviously talking about two different things here. When I say most Somalis are qabilist, I mean that they see themselves as part of a qabil and when push comes to shove, they'd choose their qabil. ^^^^^Are u denying this, I am not talking about us as individuals in da states or Canada Somalis yeah no difference here, but in Somalia the reality are u saying I because of my qabil will have the same treatment as Ngonge in Hergaysa? Or because of ya thay we will be treated differently, bal sheeg sxbyall? Originally posted by Ebyan: There's a difference between loving your tribe and hating others because of theirs. ^^^^I think that’s what she said lets not get it twisted, qabil is just an extended family, last summer when I and my moms went to Europe it was her qabil that housed us, gave us food and welcomed us its family tang........however those who discriminate other muslims cause of blood ties then they can not be of the Sunnah of Muhammad scw. That reality sadly however exists in particular Somalia lets not sugar coat dis sxbyall, and only Islam can cure it.

^^^^I will be "civil" here in order not to ruin this discussion and the topic at hand, sweatheart Lake stop with your hypocrisy and kindly take your qashiin somewhere else aitt? Since u aint know there is big difference between knowing ur qabil (what Ebyan said) and qabyalaat hate for other somalis ummm what u believe na mean, oohh Waraabe for president so he can show "you guys" southerners ahhhh come on man keep it real, come with juice naga dhah laba wajiidnimoda. JB to see xiin to play ball or somthin?

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: Duke, make sure to email me when this Island that these gentlemen are rambling about is their new base or something is cleared off its illegal merchants. The place might be suitable for a beachfront real estate development lol. ^^^^And that is the difference between my reer adeer iyo reer abti! One boasts only bout fighting and force, the other boasts bout devleopment and building, money na mean! ka bax!

Recommendations: source To avert the repeat of that terrible history and to prevent the degeneracy of political power into an oppressive machine in the hands of maniacs, we propose that instead of supporting one group against the wishes of the majority, the Somali society can be reconstituted on a new basis where all interest groups are represented in a new and innovative institutional arrangement. To address the imbalance outlined above inherent in the existing TFG institutions, it is imperative to establish during the transitional period; v A second chamber with constitutional powers to revise legislation ensuring the compatibility of new laws to Somali culture, religion as well as the international human rights standards before becoming law. Members of the new house must be drawn entirely and exclusively from the civil society, such as the well known and widely respected scholars from various Islamic schools, traditional elders and prominent Somali personalities on regional basis rather than clan basis. v Executive members can be appointed from either houses or outside, in order to open the door for the talents and expertise needed for rebuilding and reconciliation. Such a new constitutional change has the advantage of conferring legitimacy required for the effectiveness of the new administration. And we should all work together to achieve this goal. Add to those recommendations, somalia needs the help of the Arab League, and Muslim Nations to help like England is helping in Ireland shisssssh where are is their help? Its not in benefit of somalia and its ppl to have prolong welfare, somalia is neither Iraq or Afganistan, but to share power and move on. A historic day in Ireland: “Look back, and we see centuries marked by conflict, hardship, even hatred among the people of these islands,” he said in a speech beside Mr. Paisley, Mr. McGuinness and Mr. Ahern. “Look forward, and we see the chance to shake off those heavy chains of history.” source peace

Wouldn’t know never been to Somalia, or want to live in Somalia! But it would be 1. Galkaacyo- the city of warriors :cool: 2. Garowe 3. Sanaag (cal madow? Most beautiful landscape I have ever seen (pics) in Somalia) 4. Kismaayo 5. Bosaso God Willing I will explore the lands of Somalia one day.

^^^^Adeer Xiin, why don’t u write it up here for the young men here. I didn’t know nothing about Somalia and its politics before couple of mths, and now I got interested in it and amongst other cats, it seems when u go against ur “qabil” u are seen as fake that’s feeling u get namean. Don’t really matter to me cause I have no plans of living in Somalia, and I love all muslims and Somalis as my own, or buy this bull. Lakiin it seems u are forced to support ur “own” in somali politics just check the politics section, how do u side with those who only see your qabil and even as u and Che very anti TFG at the same time ur loyalty was questioned in u told u support odayga undercover namean. Wax aa lii igu yiiri angia haxgaay uu guu hartaa Abduallhi Yusuf waad niin tolka ah, ooo awoooega yaqaano, oo cawa lu guu canaayo daraata, and daraadiis loo gu diilayo? The older generation poisonous young people with qabil bull, I am just glad that my parents taught me deenul Islam before being introudced to somalis. Haayey baan iska ira and move on and Alle help the Somalis. They are very divided walle. I basically know what u gonna say xiin, lakiin negetivity out weighs the positive somalis namean.

Geel well said sxb, u saw my point. Add to that not only are they not purely Islamic in nature, but the crimes, and haraams they committ. Take Sayidka and the Darwish for an example an honorable cause in defense of land and deen, at the same time he and the darwish committed crimes against innocent populace, looted propteries, killed political opponents for power broke the commandments of Allah Most Great and the Sunnah of nabi scw. As the companions ra used to say the Muslims never win with superior arms or numbers, but with superior Iman and good deeds, when the armies were sent by Hazart Umar ra they were told to fear Allah more then the enemy never make trangression, or commit sins, kill women and children, or harm the earth ect the point you lose because you are not in the footsteps of nabi scw and his companions ra, until then the occupation continues.

^^^^Che Afganistan is one, killings is one thing I dont know if burnings of bodies and dishonoring dumarka Muslimeen in the masjids took place....but whatever the case Lander's statement rings truth. May Allah cleanse the sickness of somalis i say! ps: *credit goes to the wadaads in the south for their efforts*.....but somalia is still much corrupt North to South.

^^^^I seriously love this girl...........opps I dont mean to embrass u tsk tsk. Well spoken, brilliant yaa Ebyan, but i dont even know why u try.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: quote: Somalis are some of the most treacherous and dishonorable human beings on the face of the earth. Xuuman iyo foolxumo qofkii raadiya wuu hale. I'm sorry Lander, but that's most ignorant thing that any intelligent human ever said. Look at the other Muslims Countries! Their regimes have committed some of the worst crimes against innocents, killings for greed, power, torturing opposition cats, even asking for the Help of US troops to safeguard the Holy Lands of Islam, Allowing air space to be used against other Muslim States, and Assisting the non-muslims! That is known! But never, never, when it comes to shacabka (community), the people of the Muslimeen in the world have they in wars ever killed each other as we did in the civil war, burned each others dead bodies, and worse worse in my view dishorned gang raped the Muslim Women by the thousands even in the Masjids of Allah wa subhana tala! Therefore Lander's statement rings truth!

Ana_Juwa2 waan ku la oghay taas @ gitmo......but why don’t u and Geel here answer those questions eh?

Sh. Nur, of course as a believer in Allah Most Great and the Last Day the answer u gave makes prefect sense. But umm check dis they will say: no merciful God would let people make mistakes to begin with (freefill) that puts them in hellfire forever, since it would be more merciful to have never created them. Their point is to say, Mercy and Justice can not co exist. Why would the answer to this question even matter, since we are already alive and breathing right now and surely we will die....nor did we create ourselves nor nothingness be the cause of our existence and the existance of this world? Nur I know several atheists and agonists at school and work.........their questions are very interesting and I think it is the way to find the truth to ask questions for those who are sincere, walaalhi this white agonist girl cried when I explained Islam to her may Allah guide them. Ie, they will say I don’t believe in God, I just believe in being a good person ect. Since there is no way like unto deenul Islam, its best to explain the religion the way nabi scw did to the doubters- the beauty of tawhid and most importantly for the Muslims to be distinct let the non-Muslims c Islam from us.

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: This thread wasn't really about economics rather about Somalis trying to regain the lands that are under illegal occupation. Therefore, religion has a great deal to do with it. That is, the politics side of things. What crime have all those people who are been sent to the Guntanomos of Ethiopia done other then being Muslims? Why has the Western nations historically favoured Kenya and Ethiopia over Somalia? It doesn't take a genius to work out. Why do u think our brothers in ogedaan continue to be under occuption all though their fight is haaq and they are Muslimeen? Why in Falisteen they continue to be under occupation all though they are Muslimeeen and their fight is haaq? Why did the Sayidka and Darwish lose to the Europeans although their cause was haaq? Any answers yaa Geel?

^^^^A man of wisdom yaa Bokero. Well spoken.

^^^^^looool Emperor, ninyahow the current situation of Somalia with the TFG, AY is only a convenient excuse for some to hide under the umbrella of “somalinio” “islamnimo”......this caqduud aka buufiska Puntland goes way back back to Boqor Osman and Sultan Keenadiid ....with all the power, n buufis peeps give to Punt I am starting to think they believe they have “All Mighty" Powers :eek: ......ahhh Somalis.