This site doesnt allow pictures of dead bodies, remove it or it will be removed for you. Somali "journalism"= unethical.

Originally posted by Tahliil: We already have enough problems, complex and compounding and never ending problems to talk about as it is Exactly my main man, but thats how we do as somalis bicker about the past and blame. let the past be buried. Let the dead rest in peace, we can not turn back the clock, but we can look in the future. Why dont u good gentlemen speak about the future of your country here . or Maybe that requires too much brain cells. On the topic, may Allah forgive Said Barre, much wrong happened under his tenure, he was the President therefore as an Amir responsible for all the wrongs that occured, however so did much good. And Allah is Juge, and Allah is the Best of Judges. peace

Very well put bro. It will take men with principles and masses that will empathize with their own misfortunes to break the cycle of this fratricidal orgy. Where are those men you think Che? How come the masses are idle? And what do you think all though Allah knows best, the future holds for Somalia and her people? I see topics like these are mostly ignored and dont get much contribution from nomads, because it challenges us to think and to think deep, and that is hard to do, while the other usual topics that involve bickering, finger pointing, SNM this, SSDF that, your uncle did this, empty boastings, you know the usual, dont require much thought. I wish more nomads would contribute to this important topic. Bring it people. Thanks Che for setting the bar.

^^^Rudy ninyahow, somalis watched and didnt nothin man to help the girl, thats the crazy part, wasnt the girl screaming for help or somthin? yaab badana....and somali "justice" is defending this dude after video evidence. getta out of here. Zola the victim wasnt somali right?.

Originally posted by Faarax-Brawn: [ina adeertey maxaa udandansanee lee miyaa weli waxaas? Misna maxaa ii qarxisay ayaantii dhaweed miyaa? War heedhe,Ducoqabe,Qoftaan kaama hesho mana kurabto ee stop tailing her. if she has not yet responded to your constant hits ilaa hada,iska ilow Your wrong on all accounts. Its simple as this jalle, a little something, something I picked up at Nomad University, the course Dhaqanka Raaga 101: gabadha lama caayo, mana la tirsado. Since I know that is your custom, this aint the first time remember, marka thought I remind a brother free of charge always, cause not every cat is fortunate enough learning those golden principles. Your welcome “my nigga”. Aan kulataliya igaar yahow wareersan,qoftaan,hor bee usheegtayo she doesnt like soft a$$ niggas like you,toughen up yakhanow. Buy some Duke-ish traits nooh. Duke is a cool cat, but nah i copy or try to copy from the greatest men in history, the Prophet scw and the companions ra, drink some character from that Valley adeer and i gurantee you, ull be a better man for it. ps: Allow gacanta ha ii galiin Azmaya oo kaley. caadi ma ahh gabartu :eek:

When you look at the situation of our homeland and peoples, one we are scattered throughout the world, in different countries, different environments, different languages, and different cultural influences! Two in the homeland front, Somalia is separated along clan lines, clan cities, clan states, clan regions, clan divisions, mistrust some may say hate. This makes it easy for the enemies of Somalia, though somalis are each others worst enemies. Somalia is what? 10 million peoples? Before there were clan wars and conflicts, and now a proxy war between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Trust me those who think Ethiopia is trying to build a government in Somalia, not gonna happen they are there for their interests, nor are those who think Eritrea will somehow help Somalia become "liberated", they are only trying to frustrate the plans of Ethiopia. A classic case of proxy war in which our people will suffer the most, there are no leaders who care about somalia and certainly no love between Somalis. What does the future hold you think therefore? I mentioned how we are scattered throughout the world precisely because I can not think of any peoples in our situation, that have kept their culture, language other then the jews. That is if culture/language/history is important, some believe it is not at all important, but if so then somali’s are highly likely candidates to lose in this battle, and the battle of the homefront well its ongoing war and conflict. It seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Looking forward to thought provoking comments. I know we are capable and can step up to this challenge.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: What does the red in last row maps stand for? And why is the area that was british somaliland white? Just curious. Dhaqtar Cumar Raabi, who now lives in Ottawa, is still preaching the doom we are heading to as he was preaching that day two decades ago. I have listened to him, its not doom but rather warning to somalis which i doubt would make a difference on reality. According to the Professor, ethiopia will crumple and somalia and by extension Horn of Africa will become a free Islamic Republic. And to that we can only say Amiin ya Raabi, but its long long long long long long long long long okey u get point long way off. ps: his points on federalism mainly the clan states such as PL/SL or dividing land/government based on clan i found to be most interesting. We shall see what the future holds, it dont look good not aleast this generation, maybe in 50-100 years somalia will become better a real Qaraan a real united nation. Until then

Baashi Adeero my grandpa wouldnt know nothing about a reverand, gospel singer just googled it.......a legand huh, like Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles yes yes yall i know little bit about classics.....i threw away all my CDs that i collected over the years tho....

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^^^Hoogto so habar ma ahaan? i told u before dhaqan raaga ma ba lihiid. walle gabdaha la tirsata. what a sad homie Baashe who is Al Green must be some white cat .....i havent listened to songs since high school....but gotta be 2pac, Nas

What right, do southerners have ‘to impose themselves’ on the will of the northerners, when they were on an equal footing in 1960, this again is anyone’s guess? Unless, one agrees that the other has a right to differ, how on earth, can one co-exist in union with the other or together? I really dont understand this argument which is used over and over again. NG a good call. Heres a thought, who are southerners imposing their will? Isnt the contention SOOL and Sanaag whom by default do to colonial rule would be considered northerners, and they are the ones against the project of secession? Someone explain that to me without getting hypersentive. Its a legit question.

^^^^you know we only talk and hardly do the hard work required. I really don’t know what to call that! Originally posted by Nephthys: Khalaf: Mogdishu maxaa tiri? Akhi, must your IQ drop everytime you post something new Subhanallah. Rise up in righteousness when you witness cadaalad-daro, but only if you are willing to rise up against them all, including your addeer. Otherwise we are going to have issues. And sadly those issue will be divided as dabo-dhilifs vs freedom fighters. Qabilkayga necebtahay iyo waxaan loo joogina meesha ha keenin. Walaal ama qiro ama ha qiraan, there is something wrong when ones grievances in what is happening in Somalia is against one person and by default their region when everyone else is from the host area, Iga raali ahow walaaley I can not provide you the satisfaction of condemning “my adeer” waayo you already have your mind made up, apparently know my intentions and nothing I can say can change that. Hadaba somalia’s problems is bigger then an 80 year individual, we need to reason and ponder hard on these troubling times and how to solve our problems, walaal engaging in vulgarity and finger pointing will not help the discussion or move us forward, the other side of the coin feels just as strongly and that they are on the right course, call them dabo dhilifi they hit back with ********, looters inc ect ect. This is not helpful. There needs to be a middle ground and compromise instead of vulgarity and condemnations, waayo in the end its somalia and her people that are the ones suffering and dying no one else. Inshallah we should move on, caafis hadaan ku gaafey and khayr baan ku raajanaaya. Haneefah, I happen to believe I spoke the truth, my important message twisted. Nothing I have written here on this topic suggested for the region to change its name, you have me confused nor have I over looked the terrible situation our brothers are in, I happen to know that already, I merely asked questions on what is happening and how best to solve it. Bringing the reality to light is not a crime nor belittles the struggle of our brothers. The issue maybe be complex, but the diagnosis and my main points on why they fail are simple as explained by the Sunnah. I have been saying and repeating the same message It is the same message of the Prophet scw and Companions ra. As this letter of Umar Ibn Khattab ra details, I only repeated exactly what is needed for success and if not followed why we are in these situations-losers, occupied, and humiliated. Its not my problem the Somalis are haters and negatively natured, and question my motives the truth is what is. Walaal the rest of your post I find to be biased and unsupported. However I take your advice and inshallah will read the book. May Allah help our ummah and unite our hearts. Amiin.

Originally posted by Nephthys: [QB] Personal vandetta you say? You're not worth the effort walaal. Appartanely to some. But no personal vendenta in your case something more me thinks waayo..... However, my issue with you is: a)the trivializion of the O-denia's history of struggle. Hold it right there. Full stop missy! Your telling me this is about somaligalbeed? wa shaash dheh. I started the topic to gather opinions and here were my main rather crucial points repeated by many others here: 1. Somaligalbeed is an area claimed by both Ethiopia and Somalia. 2. It’s a shame broader Somali community don’t help each other or care about each other. 3. The ONLF and even the Somalis in this region themselves are divided and mistrust each other, some work for the Ethiopians. 4. Who do you blame for the failures of the Somalis and their people, but themselves? Why is this happening, doesn’t the Quran say what happens is what your own hands have put froth and Allah will change your condition only if you change first? Maybe its time to rethink, reevaluate, that something is probably wrong on our end. 5. The only way to defeat the feared habaashi, is not keep yapping about how much you hate the habaashi, yet backstap and divide each other into to clans, and slander your brothers, but it is to solve your problems rationally, love each other, unite under one flag and become brothers, and uphold the tenants of the deen faithfully. The latter has not been done, marka what were you saying? Now what conclusion did my sister reach and only about “my intentions”? Gotta love it. Here she is: “in an attempt to make your-TFG-loving-clan look superior,” Qosal badana. Now what in the world does the TFG (confederation of clans may I add), but according to our sister only a particular clan, and “clan superiority” have anything to do with topic or what I have said? Wa absolutely nothing, zip, zero, ebeer. Don’t use somaligalbeed as an excuse walaaleey, only someone with a serious grudge would bring another somali clan that had nothing to do with this topic and make such a statement, but I have seen it many times marka wa caadi. Because gabar ba thay intaas baan uga hareeya. and b)The Hadith/qur'an coated topping qabiilists like yourself giving the people of Puntland a bad name. No amount of cut and paste hadith or a verse in the qur'an will make you seem less of a qabilist. Walaal marka hoorey don’t make accusations you have no proof of its danbi, just know because I am critic of the clan courts doesn’t mean I have anything against a certain clan its on methodology its always been my stance, check the other link, only someone without iman would dislike other muslims based on clan. Mida labaad I have no power to give the people of puntland a “bad name”. I am an individual responsible only for myself and actions, I don’t speak for an entire clan. Walaaleey refrain from this type of harmful thinking. It clouds your judgment and makes you reach biased conclusions. You are what you're, admit it and live with it. All praise is to Allah Most Great. I thank Allah every day for His Blessings. And I can’t even take seriously being preached by someone who has the audacity to compare what he saw on a hollywood movie with what has/is happening in O-denia or Mogdishu. When, where, how, huuuh? Did you read anything I said? When did I make a such a comparsion? And how do you compare what is happening in SOmaligalibeed to what happened in Mogdisho. If I remember correctly the ICU were the aggressors, threatened to sack Addis Ababe loud and proud, no one forced their mouths or made them parade women and children with guns making threats against neighbors and refusing peace or did I miss something? :confused: While somaligalbeed is entirely different case. People are out there putting their lives on the line daily, getting killed for resisting an occupation, Are we talking about somaligalbeed their cause is haaq, if you talking about those in mogdisho well you be the guess, they are countroproductive and harming the civilians. unlike you fighting awful hard with your dabo dhilif mouth while praising your blood thirsty uncle. Have you no morals yaa sheikh-ku-sheeg? I am more then positive its not anything that I have said here or before, nor stand for that makes you react this vulgar and emotional, but grudge towards the blood I share with AY. I can’t help you there, sorry baayo. Have fun!

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: [QB] I for one do not really care what Khalaf, the real person behind this computer screen does or thinks, but Khalaf , this cyber character of SOL, comes across as a confused young man who tends to get the basics wrong. No adeer you have Khalaf confused, try again. Maxa iii modeey adeer, those that dance for an audience and have a “cyper character” to project and protect?, no Sir, I stay to true to myself, on da street or here. Sure um young and will make errors, but what I believe, what I think I will say it no ifs or buts about that. I ask tough questions in politics, look at the circumstances from wide ranging perspectives and bringing that to light, I try to project the reality on the ground, I am not here for empty fake hoogayeey, and boasting or stressing about other nomads their adeero, toolhood and other nonsense, that’s their bidness not mines, I am interested in ideas, plans, solutions to the problems facing our homeland and like to expand my horizons and learn from others. What I mean by that is that this cyber character pens down disturbing write ups, over simplifying complex issues like the role of Indhacadde in the Courts and in the process ignoring the big picture of the whole org, or latching on a hard-to-achieve Islamic ideals and rejecting genuine efforts on the basis of it not meeting those ideal benchmarks good Khalaf sets out. Correction those benchmarks you speak of were not set by me, but by Allah Most Great. It is a roadmap and I have only spoken of this roadmap. If you want to tell me the clan courts were a political force then fine you will not find me in dispute, but you want to say it was an Islamic force then we are in a bitter disagreement adeer, In my opinion I think you are the one confused and need of education on this particular issue. The write ups I pen down is that of the scholars of the Sunnah. There is only one islamic method, the method of prophethood scw. As I’ve asked before can one pray salat with flith on his body? The answer is a clear no, how then do you expect the Islamic system which is halal to be imposed by those indulged in the haram? Can you impose Islam without following the footsteps of the Nabi scw? The answer is a clear no. I explained it here in detail, always been my stance. Next. With that said I very much well know the big picture not only in Somalia but in the Ummah. The plan is to weaken the Muslims, to sever their unity, to give their enemies the upper hand. I happen think its their own faults however, because the muslims went astray, and they can only regain true power by going and following strickly this roadmap. This is clear. Concentrating on trivial matters when bigger issues are at hand is another habit Khalaf is afflicted with. Look no further than this thread of his. When that region is at a historical crossroads of far-reaching consequences, good Khalaf chooses to discuss on a one movement’s name and queries why it did not choose a more encompassing one. I find that to be intellectually dishonest for the man claims to be in agreement with this struggle against Ethiopia in principle but seem to be held back by a mere technicality. What gives adeer? I see you did not dispute any of the points on this thread so here they are again: 1. Somaligalbeed is an area claimed by both Ethiopia and Somalia. 2. It’s a shame broader Somali community don’t help each other or care about each other. 3. The ONLF and even the Somalis in this region themselves are divided and mistrust each other, some work for the Ethiopians. 4.Who do you blame for the failures of the Somalis and their people, but themselves? Why is this happening, doesn’t the Quran say what happens is what your own hands have put froth and Allah will change your condition only if you change first? Maybe its time to rethink, reevaluate, that something is probably wrong on our end. 5. The only way to defeat the feared cursed habaashi, is not keep yapping about how much you hate the habaashi, yet in the meantime backstap and divide each other into to clans, and slander your brothers, but it is to solve your problems rationally, love each other, unite under one flag and become brothers, and uphold the tenants of the deen faithfully. The latter has not been done, marka what were you saying? Come again? Next! Why don’t you start topics about how to help these oppressed Muslims? Look no further then this topic here, it asked tough questions, we need to ask each other difficult questions and think of ways to solve problems, how to change the status quo. Some have stepped up to the challenge, while some let their grudges against individual or their clans get the best of them. Why did you choose to politicize their struggle? See the above 5 points. Khalaf, don’t get me wrong adeer. I am not accusing you with tribalism; no I am not going there. Wouldn’t make a difference, everyone here accuses each other of tribalism, Remember with all your hard work, laboring for the icu cause on SOL, distancing yourself and being critical of anything Puntland, but to many eyes you and Che are an undercover TFGesters and AY supporters. Where I find a glaring discrepancy is your reasoning in disowning Islamic Courts. Again from the rest of your post I see you did not dispute any of the points I have raised and rather would like to put words in my mouth. I didn’t go against the courts based on clan, or just indahaade its much more then that and you know it adeer. I am against the methodology and jahiliyah practices of the courts, even without Ethiopia or TFG or any external forces, I dare say they would’ve brought much difficulties and hardship to the populace in the long run. They were based on clan power sharing, instead of brotherhood and trust, unelected leadership imposing itself on the people and no mandate and respect for the system of islamic shura, no unity in their ranks in clan or aqeedah. One must set the stage and prepare it before one gets on it, the stage was never set and it was bound to crumple as it did. Had left alone, their method would’ve proofed disastrous and much blood shed would’ve resulted as with any violent military “revolution” with their mentality my way or taste the sword. That is the past, In the current situation of Somalia I have already outlined what I believe should be done, I believe in reconciliation process, I don’t believe in the course of the tiny group you support whom only harm Somalis and which doesn’t have the majority support of the people therefore futile qab qab. The influence of good Muslims over our affairs has sadly receded. As things stand today, these are the painful facts on the ground. But they aren't constant, and they will IA change in due course. Nacaam. but this is prophecy also.

Originally posted by Skipper: is rudy some sort of relationship expert Khalaf? The Rude man knows how to deal. Dont listen to lilly, Rudy's law keep your halimo close but keep your wallet closer. Skip if u need advisor hire me for charge: 10 dollas an hr, i got mad skills man ull see great change with ur halimo in no time :cool: Lilly I answered the question that was posed, had nothing to do with personal believes or not, but it was like an "if" question and those type of questions arent universal, i know ppl who married for sake of Allah ie a handicap to provide for them.

Originally posted by Ms Dhucdhuc & Dheylo: quote:Originally posted by Khalaf: Cambarro Sharaaf u sound like a teenage girl..... Teenage..ahahaha oh My giddy aunt! LOOOOOOOOL! Quote me out of context...that came out wrong and looks awful Caafiis?

I dont know what majaajilo means. Or wasting space, but these types of arguments personalizing topics, back and forth nac nac and ignorning the message is childish and danbii, I dislike to engage in it and try to avoid it,but its certainly not coming from my end but my senior Farah the troller, who wants to ruin the topic with his childishness.

Post numero dos not dealing with any of the points raised. If my skills are lousy and lack of knowledge, then it should be easy to refute the message? Ana ba ka daraan markaan farah troller history, islam, iyo wixi la mid ah ka la hadleeyo. Adeer go attend to your niiko sessions. Post numero tres anyone else?

Ahh how I expected this. Post numero uno not dealing with any of the points I raised on the topic. I shall keep counting until someone challenges my message. "soul seaching" coming from the likes of Farah maybe I should try clubbing adeer that should do me good yaah?

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Khalaf, but you're using the right argument and reasoning for the wrong situation. How so? The situation is: No body cares about Somaligalbeed, certainly not border somali community. I think the constant habashi this, habshi that is utter crap, lip service waayo somalis dont care about each other, how do you expect outsiders to care about you? How do you expect them to gain any victory without any help or unity from broader somali community? Even they are divided to the core. Ask ourselves why, instead of shooting the messenger deal with the message and think of solutions! I don't believe Soomaali Galbeed is any different than Burco, Badhan, Boosaaso, Buurtinle, Banaadir, Baydhabo or Badhaadhe. They are all Somali cities regardless the historic clan and the struggle they go through is Somali one. Somaligalbeed is as different as you can get, this region is claimed also by Ethiopia. This means somthing. Their daily struggle is bigger than just simple flag or clan name. Try to dig down and ask the hard questions that Somali Galbeed is faced with. Maybe its the way of my sentence structuring, waayo I know of their struggle my first post on the topic was its shame no body helps them cajiib how people like to twist things ..., they are the only somalis in my opinion who are on haaq road and noble duty and may Allah give them victory. But we need to ask ourselves tough questions. Why have they been oppressed this long? Why isnt anything changing? Maybe somthing is wrong with their stragety? Elaborate more on how Ethiopia is not responsible or blamed for the occupation of Somalida galbeedka & koonfurta? [/QB] Why dont you elaborate on what is stoping somalis from working together collectively, building their nation, helping assisting their brothers in Somaligalbeed, working for the interests of their nation? Must we blame our failures on Ethiopia? :confused: I certainly believe not.

Originally posted by Caamir: ]Who do you expect better governance and accountability from? The people. the citizens. The two regional states of Somaliland and Puntland have already fragmented Somalia, a fragmentation which appeals to clan differences to exploit political support. So the best way to solve problems is to further fragment somalia, ahhh I got cha. Saxib, these two states SL and PL are used as instruments to discredit communities and abort other people's noble pursuit of peace and development. [/QB] How come people dont separate the corrupt politicans from the people? What makes you think the politicans of this new state would be any different and not be instruments that can just as well be used to hinder peoples pursuit of peace and development?

Now back to the issue I raised on cuqdaad and inferiority complex! First to Nepthys. Ukhti I don’t know meesha aa iga soo gasheey personally waayo unless I did something to you individually which I have no knowledge of, or you have personal vendetta like Farah and is interested in qaraxis kaan, again would be untrue here also, because I would never get involved in af xuumo with a sister, there is no way you could ever reach such a conclusion about my intentions on this topic. Walaaleey iga raali ahow marka hooreey, hadeey taan khalaad iga tahay, lakiin from my experience on this neck of woods (SOL politics) it could only mean you have issues with my clan, if not then what gives abaayo? I mean no offense gabar ba thay ma raabiin ruunti to ask such a question, lakiin the cuqdaad and inferiority complex rather buufis of anything to do with the clan of Puntland is like whoa, what gives people? I said the same thing basically that Sayyid and Naryuus said on this topic. Second to Kash, I can just imagine you on da computer going through the SOL achieves, "hmmmmm lets see what kinda of dirt I can find on Khalaf to expose him hehehe it will make me feel a whole lot better for the day,hehehehe hahahaha Gosh darn it, he has more then 1300 posts almost all seem to have the same themes and believes, darn! Ahh got em, this he praised Abdullahi Yusuf I knew it, he loves his tol, that’s why went against the ICU!" Am I correct? I mean why else would you go into this trouble to dig up? But what does that quote proof or show, that more then 1300 posts don’t? You seem to be a man possessed, obsessive of other peoples clans, tolkood iyo adeerkood, unhealthy obsession and to point your unIslamic aqeedah of wishing/liking/searching/exposing for what u believe to be shortcomings/wrongs of your brothers and overlooking the good you know they stand for. You really want know why I said that about AY although partly true waayo he is a man of his word, has lotta a lot of strength, maybe 80 with a borrowed liver may I add, but got more balls and strength then you or any one of us here for being in the vila at Mogadishu and a persistence cat, everybody knows that quality of his, ive seen many somalis of various clans say the same thing. My statement hadaba was towards the fake haters under fake banners of islaminimo/somalnimo yet stressing about dead Sultans/Boqors, and their boogyman clan :eek: ......then praise for AY waayo in my opinion he shouldve quit politics iyo qashiinkaan long time ago, chill with his beautiful Hawa, walk the beaches of Bosooso, enjoy the stars at the Nugal Vally, seek Allah’s forgiveness for his wrongs, go to haaj and live the rest of his life all chilled out. But once ganagsta always gangasta. He lived his life his way, adiga ba hooyo ba kuu daasheey make your mark on the world do good, do it your way jalle instead of worrying about peoples tol, or uncles ect ect. Brotherly advice.

^^^Ma ana walaan masa corrupt ba igu tiri? :confused: @ at Nep and Kash walaalyal its seems you have serious cuqdad and inferiority complex issues, but its okey I don’t think you are alone here, and I will explain what I mean on this in bit! Waayo ruunta waan inn lii isku sheega. But first since this thread turned out to be about me, well let me speak for myself instead of Nep or Kash that’s only fair don’t you think?. If anyone looks back when I first joined SOL they will see I was never interested in Somali politics or knew anything about Somalia and its politics. I have never heard of Puntland, Somaliand, Dijabouti or anything related to Somalia, Abdullahi Yusuf ect the names of politicians I learned here on SOL and SOL was gateway drug sort of speak to somali politics. As Allah is my witness the only thing that I knew about Somalia before was Mogadishu and that was because of the movie black hawk down. I have over 1300 posts on this site mainly about my passion of Islam, middle east ect, and some clowning namean. Somalia and its politics caught my intention with the ICU takeover of Mogadishu waayo they had proclaimed deenul Islam. Anyone checks my earlier posts will note that the only time I have said the words: I support, and was highly enthusiastic rather passionate with support and fervor of anything to do with somali and its politics was towards the ICU brief rule. My passion died down and rather turned into resentment with their hypocrisy, overt clanism, warlordism, druglordism, burning of dead corpses, and the haraams unIslamic methodology they engaged in while proclaiming to represent deenul halal wa deenul islaam. The methodology that I believe in and follow since the beginning and I have never changed one bit on this stance It is the same methodology of Sayidna wa Maulana Muhammad scw, the companions ra, the likes of Umar ibn Aziz, Salahuddin ibn Ayubi-the men of honor, the men of Islam. It is not my “adeer sheikh” or a “sheikh daleel” as you assert rather to make a mockery, that has related this wisdom in which I strongly believe in and will not waver in saying it regardless of how much u dislike it, it’s the established Sunnah of Saliif wa Saliih the pious forefathers, prove me wrong anyone I dare you.. Lets take a look at Mecca waayo it has great resemblance to Somalia, and rather greater community of the Ummah. Mecca was a mushrik society, clan wars rage, killing, blood shed without purpose, oppression of the poor, hate and mistrust between countrymen, monopoly of wealth and power in the hands of few while the larger community was ripped off. Somalia: almost the same exact situation don’t you think for the past nearly 20 years? You want to tell me there is an Islamic Method that can be different to that of the prophet scw? There is only one islamic method is it not? and that is the one of the prophet scw and his companions ra, and anyone not on this path is on the path of jailiyah and will never succeed (fitnah, humiliations will result) until they the people change and follow this siraat of purity.Again prove me wrong! Why was the prophet scw successful, and many of these so called movements fail, or fitnah is in the Muslim lands? Am I gulity for uttering the same thing many muslim scholars have and many books were written on, because your own clanish mind thinks that my issue with ICU was about clan? I am curious what has your islamic education or “sheikh” told you on this matter yaa Kash? Because if I remember correctly his scw process was gradual, didn’t he purify the haraams of the community in which ruled, didn’t he call the people to do good, to peace, didn’t he and the companions ra uphold all that is good? Can one pray salaat with flith on his body? Wa maya! How do you expect the corrupt haraan ku nax to apply the halal shariah bal? How do you call yourself "Islamic" and have druglords call jihad? How do you prioritize forceful land grab of other muslim cities, killing anyone who disagrees with you, refusing peace, calling to war and violence to neighboring states without awood, over bringing justice to the weak and those whom were oppressesd over 17 years in which you do have awood! This is the main principle in why I reject the side you support, its based on nothing else believe it or not. I await your answer jalle on these points of the discussion.

^Thats complicated roob, life is simple akhi. -Can you help who you fall in love with? a. yes -Is it there truly only one person in the entire universe for you? b. no -Do you HAVE to know a person to be in love with them? c. no -Is love a necessary ingredient for marriage? d. no -We are not talking about lust here. I am talking about the feeling related to the irrationality within ourselves. e. say what? me no comprende -Perhaps falling in love at first sight is somewhat like a paradoxical statement f. saaaaaaaaaaay whaaaaaaaaaat? Cambarro Sharaaf u sound like a teenage girl....whats up mama? Dhoocilahaan SOL ka buuxa uu maxadareey nooh.

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Well said Faarax. Tell him. Tell me what? Farah didn’t say anything new or something that I already didn’t know. I already know the atrocious crimes committed in somali galbeed, the occupation and guumaysii our brothers having been going through for decades. I know that, no need to tell me nor act like a retard and accuse me of hate that some how I could ever support the misery of the other Muslimeen. You owe me an apology jalleyal, but ka gudub qoof kii gar daraan wa asga danbiigiisa and Allah sees all. What I know is that Allah doesn’t change the condition of people until they change themselves and that whatever befalls you is what your own hands have earned, this is a Quranic Aya. I don’t believe in blaming Ethiopia for the failures and the occupation or diibta reer Somalia heeysta. It is complete hypocrisy! It would be like the Arabs blaming the Jews for the occupation of Falisteen, people are the engineers of their own situations and failures, Allah helps those who help themselves, Allah will aid the believers if they are indeed believers if not then the result is fitnah and Allah grants victory to your enemies. This is clear. Khalaf has his own priorities. Yes Khalaf does have his own priorities: his priorities are his deen, his family, his education, his career, to do good in this life and to achieve so that Allah and his familiy will be pleased with him. That is his priorities. Anything else you want know? Deliver Shariica rule to Moqdisho in Meles tank and peace by gun barrel. You and I both know I have no power to bring anything to mogdisho or to Somalia. I wish I did have that power waayo if I did have power all of Somalia would be better off, peace, just rule, fairness, haaq, all things that are good. Again I dare you ask yourself who failed Somalia you and I both know who., don’t divert attention to inconsequential matters, but ask yourself hard questions. Somalia has no one to blame but its own peoples, those who ruined her sovereignty, destroyed her capital, killed her own people, raped her own women, and till this continue the killing and bickering, and divisions, and mistrust, surely they were and are not of Ethiopian ethnicity. Get real people, smell the coffee, investigate your problems probably and assign the right solutions. Ethiopians are men just like us, they will work for their interests, what stops you and other Somalis for working for their interests collectively? Nothing but themselves, therefore don’t blame others for your failures is my moto. Somali Galbeed is as Somali issue as you can get, not a clan issue. Neither TFG & Amxaaro nor their fans (read: Khalaf & Co) see as Somali issue. [/QB] No I don’t as a somali issue only, I see it as a human issue waayo its guumeeysi of innocent people. This is the case of shoot the messenger and ignore the message. Reality paints a different picture. Just like Sayid said before its only one clan that is carrying the torch therefore its still a clan fight not a somali fight, you don’t give damn just like majority of Somalis don’t give damn, just like the arabs don’t give damn about falisteen but lip service. Boo hoo that’s so hateful of me to say. Cajiib! It’s a shame, and nothing will change until the people change, return to Allah faithfully and join in brotherhood. Dahia, I hear you ukhti. But i see things differently maybe will make more sense with this last post. Amiin to your duas walaaleey.