Bint Hamid, who are we to judge who lives and who dies and who deserves to die. It's thinking like that, that gives muslims everywhere bad press, this aggressive and hateful manner that we as muslims are advised against. Maybe you should spend more time learning about the deen instead of condemning the poor defenceless people who are suffering. Where is your rahma? Prophet saw never had a hard heart, and Allah is always merciful.

Max I suppose when you are the local...the attitude it understandable don't you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2FMdOLyRcA&NR=1 single ladies dance on glee

Come on the sequenced leotard for the single ladies song is more camp than that guy on ugly betty.

you have to watch this! glee cover of don't stop believing! I feel like breaking into a song. She's just a small town girl, living a lonely world...she took the midnight train going annnnnny wheereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......

Juxa I watched Glee...all because of that journey song - don't stop believing, now that's feel good music! But the show is strange, how could they possible not tell that boy is gay? he's so camp!

^^^ that's just so hilarious! I remember writing some strange things on the top of my school exams papers, like "having a bad day".

Morning! It's supposedly blue Monday next week...the most depressing day of the year. I wonder who comes up with these lame excuses for science.

loool. actually it is generally thought the song is a warning to African-American men and women caught in "the struggle". Both the women who "try to be a hardrock when they really are a gem", and the men who are "more concerned with his rims, and his Timbs, than his women", are admonished, she warns them not to allow "that thing", whatever it may be, to ruin their lives. GD I find the first bit more interesting, as she uses a couple of Islamic terms and has done in other songs, what do you think that is about? BTW I assume she's confusing jin with devil...probably didn't have the same ring. I love the line 'respect is just a minimum' because in so many communities giving respect is seen as some major thing, but it's suppose to be the foundation of all relationships. I suppose 'that thing' is all of the above.

My nieces and nephews are just so adorable, so I would have to disagree with that statement... mashallah! I'd post all their pictures but I don't think my siblings would be too happy about that.

I don't know about everyone else but I love listening to songs with lyrics that really have depth and meaning. So I thought I'd share this sitewith you and maybe we can start our own thread on song interpretations... Lauryn Hill's Miseducation album has always been my go to when things get stressful. Have you ever listened to lyrics for 'doo wop (that thing)'? What do you think she means? --------------- Remember back on the boogie when Cats used to harmonise like My men and my women Don?t forget about the deen Listen out the mustaqeem Its about a thing Feel real good and wave your hands in the air Admit two shots in the atmosphere It's been three weeks since you've been looking for your friend The one you let hit it and never called you again 'Member when he told you he was 'bout the Benjamins You act like you ain't hear him then gave him a little trim To begin, how you think you really gon' pretend Like you wasn't down then you called him again Plus when you give it up so easy you ain't even fooling him If you did it then, then you probably **** again Talking out your neck sayin' you're a Christian A Muslim sleeping with the jin Now that was the sin that did Jezebel in Who you gon' tell when the repercussions spin Showing off your *** 'cause you're thinking it's a trend Girlfriend, let me break it down for you again You know I only say it 'cause I'm truly genuine Don't be a hardrock when you're really a gem Babygirl, respect is just a minimum Niggas ****ed up and you still defending them Now Lauryn is only human Don't think I haven't been through the same predicament Let it sit inside your head like a million women in Philly, Penn. It's silly when girls sell their soul because it's in Look at where you be in hair weaves like Europeans Fake nails done by Koreans Come again Come again, come again, come again, come again Guys you know you better watch out Some girls, some girls are only about That thing, that thing, that thing The second verse is dedicated to the men More concerned with his rims and his Timbs than his women Him and his men come in the club like hooligans Don't care who they offend popping yang like you got yen Let's not pretend, they wanna pack pistol by they waist men Cristal by the case men, still in they mother's basement The pretty face, men claiming that they did a bid men Need to take care of their three and four kids men They facing a court case when the child's support late Money taking, heart breaking now you wonder why women hate men The sneaky silent men the punk domestic violence men The quick to shoot the semen stop acting like boys and be men How you gon' win when you ain't right within How you gon' win when you ain't right within How you gon' win when you ain't right within Come again Come again, come again, come again, come again Girls you know you better watch out Some guys, some guys are only about That thing, that thing, that thing --------------------------

Not boots for you feet Baluug, Boots the cosmetics /toiletry store. Norf I would have thought you'd knew what I meant.

So there's a 75% off boots sale today. I'm not that excited about it, but apparently some people are. so much so that my work colleagues went sale crazed and brought over £200 worth of toiletries and gifts. Am I the only person here who doesn't get it?

Ngonge the difference is you're harmless. I should really change my signature to see no evil, hear no evil.

Ngonge, like you'd know anything about being lost for words. I'm sure its something completely foreign to you...even went it is a load of nonsense.

lol, someone should make you a moderator since you like fiddling with topics.

lol choco, I'd sooner be a spinster than married to a man who would expect any of the above from me. Anyways, these boys need to wake up!

Originally posted by Eng.Cadde: No need to call names to score some silly cheap shots.lol Err...When did I name call? I've looked back and I don't see it...beats me! It is simple,A MAN Is a father,The Primary bread winner and protector of the family,WOMAN nurtures and takes cares of the kids and home. It is also important to note that femininity(the qualities and behaviors related to females) Are completely opposite to masculinity thus they are different in roles and in tastes. You know what Eng I've yet to see the Somali community take on those roles, as discussed in pervious threads it seems that the average Somali man in the UK has made his role redundant thanks to the welfare state and will often completely check out on most of... if not all his responsibilities. If someone wants to find a hubby to breastfeed their children and stay at home then i gladly suggest they go for sissies. So you think men who take an active role in parenting are sissies...interesting! BTW who said anything about a man staying a home, why does it have to be one of the other? One more thing,what is cool about maamo goes to work and aabo goes to work (Like a competition lol)and the children are left at the mercy of predators? such is sad the status of many of our society to day, No wonder high divorce rates and single moms are rampant in the community. Our calture defines what we are and i am proud of my calture. That's funny that you can blame high divorce rates on there being a...how did you put it a "competition" in regards to work? HA! the majority of single mothers I've met where in that predicament because the husband in nearly all cases failed to support the family both financially, physically and emotionally, maybe if those men worked at all their wouldn't be such a high divorce rate. I think my religion and morals defines who and what I am.

You know Ngonge I think you might be just on to something. I was having a similar discussion following that article on the times "wretched, jobless and invisible: are Britain’s Somalis the enemy within?" This is the questioned I asked...if there's an estimated 60million people in the UK, 6% of that is said to be ethnic minority, how much of that does that Somali community make up? ....So are we really that invisible? BTW Google wretched and jobless and the 1st hit is Somalis, how embarrassing!

Originally posted by ElPunto: Why is the first comment directed at me? It implies you have a detailed knowledge of my views on women and family. Clearly you do not. Well you're right about one thing and I'm glad I don't...what I do know about you is based on the brief exchange we've had here. Setting us back? This is the problem. She can't set you or any other women back . She can only do what she feels is right for her family. This argument is exactly like those who say hijab/burqa wearers are setting women back when it's only a personal choice. Well I think she did more than just that, considering it's a published book, I suppose with your logic someone who published a book insulting Islam would be given the same liberty. You are being hypocritical when you acknowledge a choice for yourself but you don't allow others a different choice than yours. Or you claim that another's choice has a negative impact on your choices going forward. Cajeeb. Yeah, explain that one to me again, I don't think using the bold letters quite worked. I think the key thing to remember is that I have a choice they have a choice...which I surmised in nearly every post regarding that topic, but just in case you missed that let me repeat that I was merely educating the poster on the reality. I didn't brand anyone period. And I don't know as to the something that is admirable. If you mean being a working mother - then that is a value judgment you have made rather than something that has been proven through a sound case presented here. It's funny that a man has so many opinions on what he thinks is wrong or right for women...maybe you should go back and read some of the other comments, you'll notice that the majority of women who replied to that post were actually in agreement with me. Anyhoot, I think I've wasted far too much time with our little interchange here and will not be replying here on out. Toodles!

^^^ have another read...you'll notice the first comment was directed at you. The rest was directed at all nomads in regards to the book and the author. Let me get this right now I’m hypocritical because I abhor this woman who's potentially setting us back and because I was standing up for working mothers? OK Just for the record my argument wasn't about judgement...it was about not branding someone negatively for doing something admirable!

So let me get this right you opposed a statement you didn't even fully understand...Mmh interesting. What is roles you say? Would you like the word defined or the context? Never mind let me define both for you to avoid any further misunderstanding as you're so big on those. The word role are the functions, actions and activities assigned to or required or expected of a person or group. In this case the context is women's role in the Somali community. Now having cleared that up do you still believe that we're all born into a role that we are expected to fill? and who expects this? Islam ultimately gives us choice and in Islam the tasks performed by a woman looking after her family is described as an act of charity rather than a duty. As for the cultural view of woman's role? I say BAAH!

^^^Not this again! The feeling is mutual SS and in the words of Scott Adams the Dilbert comic strip creator... "let me show you something on this map. - See this tiny island? Yes. That's where the people who care live."

lol 5 that reminds me of a similar incident expect the guy dropped a wad of £20 and £50 notes which was blown all across this main road un be known to him. I had to run after him to tell him but it was pointless trying to help collect it all up because people on the road thought it was a give away and were helping themselves to his money. lol One elderly lady got really upset when he asked for his money back.

I'm saving myself for a nice slice of cheese cake at home, So no tea breaks for me.