MMMhh... I thought about posting this comment in the Sweden’s next top model thread but thought hey this needs a topic all on its own! I'm confused about the way people interpret the deen especially when it comes to modesty. Even as a child I used to questioning this. I’m referring to the way the modesty is portrayed as beauty and bearing flesh as ugly. I know Allah said to be modest but the idea is to hide your beauty not to mask your unsightliness. So why is it that more than often the Somali community tends to call models like Hawa Ahmed, Iman and Waris ugly because they flaunt their skin? Yes it's haraam but the human body isn't disgusting. At a young age I was told the hijab makes you beautiful, but the objective of the hijab is completely the opposite. Sure it's beautiful in its own right but you have to agree that wasn't the purpose at all. Is this reverse psychology? Because if it is... it's see through. In any rate it’s an unhealthy way of thinking in my eyes; demonising sexuality tends to lead to mischief. Look at most Arab or supposedly Muslim countries.

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First do you need to lose 30 pounds and is being 30 pounds lighter really the healthiest look for you? I don’t know if I should help or not ...but I guess no else is so the easiest, quickest and unhealthiest way would be the Cabbage soup diet, people swear by it! You can lose up to a stone in 1 week which is 14 pounds. But I wouldn’t do it for more than two weeks at a time. Also be careful after the diet as you can easily gain the weight back so start a healthier diet after the cabbage soup diet. Good luck and lets me know how it went!

Nurture him you say? lol Reminds me of Kanye's lyrics in gold digger #He got that ambition baby look in his eyes This week he moppin floorz next week it's the fries So, stick by his side I know his dude's ballin but yea thats nice And they gone keep callin and tryin But you stay right girl But when you get on he leave yo a** for a white girl# But in all fairness, potential is something that we women tend to over look in favour of the self made "successful" men. I think if you motivate your partner enough and not hinder them ...you have the foundations for a stronger and rooted relationship.

I think 'me' should either stop chewing all that khat or stop smoking whatever you maybe smoking. An invisible cross, you say. Damn right! No one can see it because it's invisible and can only been seen during a chemically induced high.

lol trust you to always come up with the strangest conclusions!

Everything else aside...what is she wearing? supermodel I hear you say!

Khalid you are obviously right but there is a big difference between practicing this yourself and enforcing it on others. For example these people stopped dancing and partying when the IC was around as they feared being discovered by them, but we all know they should stop for the sake of Allah and their deen. You may argue that in an Islamic state these laws would have been enforced but who declares an Islamic state and do the people have a say over it when it’s an Islamic state that has took over rather than been elected to power?

Damn you JB I was about to post the very same post, but I thought I'd check if it wasn't done already. I loved to be a wedding planner the whole thing is very exciting but for $200 no thank you! How on god's green earth would you manage that?

I might not see the whole "three musketeers" spew as mature but the snide comments were unnecessary and underhand. Why is there this constant need to belittle others I wonder...does it really pain you that much?

^^English-African accent you say? I think Little miss jocelyn does it best. This will take a looooooooooooooooooooooong time!

^^^ Good one sheherazade Honestly ask yourself this, "would I feel comfortable with introducing him to any of my friends and family?" If the answer is no, it's time to say goodbye to him...This is obviously an issue you have, You can't get past his appearance and it's not your friends or family you're worrying about.

Thanks Thierry, I haven't been doing much...just needed a long break I guess.

I don't buy it, looks like a hoax to me. As caano geel said, the guy couldn’t even read the news. The whole thing came across as one of those American "click here for a full report for only $29.99" schemes. There probably are some types of natural resources in Somalia but I doubt we would ever find out, while the country is in the state it is. Although I do remember hearing, that Somaliland had signed over land to Amoco for exploration purposes. How true this on the other hand, I wouldn’t know. Either way you might find this article from the Los Angeles Times interesting. http://www.netnomad.com/fineman.html

15 out of 20, I don't think I'm bad. I've always prided myself in knowing the difference. I think it's something to do with length of the smile and what face they resume. Nodding and shaking of the head tells me it's real, but wouldn't that technically be laughing? I did find it interested that they ask you how pessimistic or optimistic you are...obviously if you're the paranoid type you'd suspect everyone of being fake.

Thanks luv, I didn't think anyone noticed.

Oh that brings back memories, it's been going on for at least a decade now. Maybe I should enroll myself on to some cookery classes, lord knows I need it.

Does khat cause mental health issues? I think the abuse of khat is the important issue here as appose to the light social use of khat. You’d only have to pay a visit to mental health clinics in areas populated by Somalis to see the impact that the abuse of khat has had and unsurprisingly it’s almost always the same problems these men have. These range from paranoia, schizophrenia and in many cases hostile and violent behaviour and even just a addictive nature. I’m not entirely sure whether it’s the result of direct or indirect khat abuse. As it has been already identified that insomnia brings about the same very symptoms one could then conclude that khat brings about insomnia which then leads to mental health issues, either way it’s a type of narcotic which in my eyes only brings evil. Would I want it banned…Do you seriously think banning the damn thing would stop the most reliant of individuals and even allow them to mend their ways? I think it’s safe to say that criminalising the act would only criminalise our people further and in turn cause finically difficulties to the families of those addicted spouses. Obviously in the long term it would be a brilliant thing to rid our society of khat but in the short term which could be several decades they would undoubtedly suffer.

Congratulations luv, might be a little soon but all the best regardless inshallah. May Allah bless your marriage, Ameen.

Sky, I'll have to disagree with you dear. I think you'll find some are bad girls who as you eloquently put it "brought it upon themselves" for doing such disgusting things and even more for documenting it all by taking pictures. But I definitely have seen one group of innocent Somali girls who took a family picture while at a wedding and it turned up on the website a week later. I seriously don't think girls like that deserved it, they were wearing normal diracs and sitting around a table..they weren't wearing anything scandalous or posing like they're in a x rated film. Anyways to cut a long story short I know this cockroach pretty well and I personally think he's mentally unstable and seems to think he's doing "God's work" by spreading the sins of the fallen Somali women so that guys of his calibre can perve on it and so these girls feel shamed for what they did and maybe change their ways.Instead this guy is tainting the reputations of innocent Somali girls by putting them in the same categories as these not so innocent girls. However, either way I believe you’ll find haddiths on the matter of circulating the sins of another Muslim…In fact (correct me if I’m wrong) I’ve been told that the person who does just that is committing a sin equal to the original sin. I loathe this insect and I don’t think he can be stopped so easily since many people have complained to the authority, he’s very good at hiding his identity. He’s even hacked into my computer before but all I can such girls is for you all to be more computer literate. Protect yourselves, get firewalls and antivirus. The cockroach uses Trojans to get access to your computer so be wary of pop ups and website links, you could well be downloading a Trojan without even knowing. In fact his website is littered with Trojans and general virus that can potentially ruin an unprotected computer. Ironically the cockroach suggested the best firewall on the net is Zonealarm and is impervious to him. (You can get it from www.download.com ) what else is there?…Mmmh Oh well the cockroach is resident of Paltalk and you can find him under names of Royal Bastar, Askari4ever, Imperial Bastar and of course Radio Baranbaro. Watchout for these names, he loves his fame and doesn’t mind abuse…in fact any attention is welcomed from him. I would love to help to exterminate this virtual pest; I know a lot of personal information about him and would oblige this information for the right purposes of course. So if you really do have an action plan against the pest feel free to contact me for more information about him. I seriously don't like wasting my time and wasting virtual space on this guy but if this information helps another innocent Somali girl from getting trapped I'm happy to oblige.

When I saw this post it reminded me of the Weapons of mass destruction error page. lol http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Many of you probably have seen this before, won't hurt to read it again I guess Enjoy!

When I originally saw the bold face headline of The Independent it stunned me…I couldn’t quite believe what I saw, it flashed across the screen in seconds and it was gone. But after searching the web for more information it was apparent that it wasn’t as bad as I originally had thought. The newspaper wasn’t reporting the destruction of Mecca or the horrid wishful desires of the non-Muslims but the article reports about the overall change Mecca has gone through during the past two decades. The article is mostly centred on the plans by Saudi government to bulldoze the birthplace of our prophet Mohammed (saw) and the gradual destruction of historic buildings in exchange for profitable high-rises buildings. The article goes on to suggest that so called “fanatical Wahhabists†are to blame who are using the banishment of idolatry in Islam as an excuse to profit otherwise. I’m personally astonished that people are ruining Mecca, not only because of the religion connection but buildings dating back to mid hundreds are being destroyed for profiteering purposes. Here are the Muslims tearing up their history while west preserves theirs. I also think it’s extreme to blame wahhabism as the reason to all this destruction. I’m not denying that our religion so clearly denies “Shirk†but the preservation of Mecca is not so that we can worship or make the prophet’s birthplace a shrine but for sentimental reasons. --------------------------------------------- The Destruction Of Mecca Saudi Hardliners Wiping Out Their Own Heritage By Daniel Howden The Independent - UK 8-5-5 Historic Mecca, the cradle of Islam, is being buried in an unprecedented onslaught by religious zealots. Almost all of the rich and multi-layered history of the holy city is gone. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades. Now the actual birthplace of the Prophet Mohamed is facing the bulldozers, with the connivance of Saudi religious authorities whose hardline interpretation of Islam is compelling them to wipe out their own heritage. It is the same oil-rich orthodoxy that pumped money into the Taliban as they prepared to detonate the Bamiyan buddhas in 2000. And the same doctrine - violently opposed to all forms of idolatry - that this week decreed that the Saudis' own king be buried in an unmarked desert grave. A Saudi architect, Sami Angawi, who is an acknowledged specialist on the region's Islamic architecture, told The Independent that the final farewell to Mecca is imminent: "What we are witnessing are the last days of Mecca and Medina." According to Dr Angawi - who has dedicated his life to preserving Islam's two holiest cities - as few as 20 structures are left that date back to the lifetime of the Prophet 1,400 years ago and those that remain could be bulldozed at any time. "This is the end of history in Mecca and Medina and the end of their future," said Dr Angawi. Mecca is the most visited pilgrimage site in the world. It is home to the Grand Mosque and, along with the nearby city of Medina which houses the Prophet's tomb, receives four million people annually as they undertake the Islamic duty of the Haj and Umra pilgrimages. The driving force behind the demolition campaign that has transformed these cities is Wahhabism. This, the austere state faith of Saudi Arabia, was imported by the al-Saud tribal chieftains when they conquered the region in the 1920s. The motive behind the destruction is the Wahhabists' fanatical fear that places of historical and religious interest could give rise to idolatry or polytheism, the worship of multiple and potentially equal gods. The practice of idolatry in Saudi Arabia remains, in principle at least, punishable by beheading. This same literalism mandates that advertising posters can and need to be altered. The walls of Jeddah are adorned with ads featuring people deliberately missing an eye or with a foot painted over. These contrived imperfections are the most glaring sign of an orthodoxy that tolerates nothing which fosters adulation of the graven image. Nothing can, or can be seen to, interfere with a person's devotion to Allah. "At the root of the problem is Wahhabism," says Dr Angawi. "They have a big complex about idolatry and anything that relates to the Prophet." The Wahhabists now have the birthplace of the Prophet in their sights. The site survived redevelopment early in the reign of King Abdul al-Aziz ibn Saud 50 years ago when the architect for a library there persuaded the absolute ruler to allow him to keep the remains under the new structure. That concession is under threat after Saudi authorities approved plans to "update" the library with a new structure that would concrete over the existing foundations and their priceless remains. Dr Angawi is the descendant of a respected merchant family in Jeddah and a leading figure in the Hijaz - a swath of the kingdom that includes the holy cities and runs from the mountains bordering Yemen in the south to the northern shores of the Red Sea and the frontier with Jordan. He established the Haj Research Centre two decades ago to preserve the rich history of Mecca and Medina. Yet it has largely been a doomed effort. He says that the bulldozers could come "at any time" and the Prophet's birthplace would be gone in a single night. He is not alone in his concerns. The Gulf Institute, an independent news-gathering group, has publicised what it says is a fatwa, issued by the senior Saudi council of religious scholars in 1994, stating that preserving historical sites "could lead to polytheism and idolatry". Ali al-Ahmed, the head of the organisation, formerly known as the Saudi Institute, said: "The destruction of Islamic landmarks in Hijaz is the largest in history, and worse than the desecration of the Koran." Most of the buildings have suffered the same fate as the house of Ali-Oraid, the grandson of the Prophet, which was identified and excavated by Dr Angawi. After its discovery, King Fahd ordered that it be bulldozed before it could become a pilgrimage site. "The bulldozer is there and they take only two hours to destroy everything. It has no sensitivity to history. It digs down to the bedrock and then the concrete is poured in," he said. Similarly, finds by a Lebanese professor, Kamal Salibi, which indicated that once-Jewish villages in what is now Saudi Arabia might have been the location of scenes from the Bible, prompted the bulldozers to be sent in. All traces were destroyed. This depressing pattern of excavation and demolition has led Dr Angawi and his colleagues to keep secret a number of locations in the holy cities that could date back as far as the time of Abraham. The ruling House of Saud has been bound to Wahhabism since the religious reformer Mohamed Ibn abdul-Wahab signed a pact with Mohammed bin Saud in 1744. The combination of the al-Saud clan and Wahhab's warrior zealots became the foundation of the modern state. The House of Saud received its wealth and power and the hardline clerics got the state backing that would enable them in the decades to come to promote their Wahhabist ideology across the globe. On the tailcoats of the religious zealots have come commercial developers keen to fill the historic void left by demolitions with lucrative high-rises. "The man-made history of Mecca has gone and now the Mecca that God made is going as well." Says Dr Angawi. "The projects that are coming up are going to finish them historically, architecturally and environmentally," he said. With the annual pilgrimage expected to increase five-fold to 20 million in the coming years as Saudi authorities relax entry controls, estate agencies are seeing a chance to cash in on huge demand for accommodation. "The infrastructure at the moment cannot cope. New hotels, apartments and services are badly needed," the director of a leading Saudi estate agency told Reuters. Despite an estimated $13bn in development cash currently washing around Mecca, Saudi sceptics dismiss the developers' argument. "The service of pilgrims is not the goal really," says Mr Ahmed. "If they were concerned for the pilgrims, they would have built a railroad between Mecca and Jeddah, and Mecca and Medina. They are removing any historical landmark that is not Saudi-Wahhabi, and using the prime location to make money," he says. Dominating these new developments is the Jabal Omar scheme which will feature two 50-storey hotel towers and seven 35-storey apartment blocks - all within a stone's throw of the Grand Mosque. Dr Angawi said: "Mecca should be the reflection of the multicultural Muslim world, not a concrete parking lot." Whereas proposals for high-rise developments in Jerusalem have prompted a worldwide outcry and the Taliban's demolition of the Bamiyan buddhas was condemned by Unicef, Mecca's busy bulldozers have barely raised a whisper of protest. "The house where the Prophet received the word of God is gone and nobody cares," says Dr Angawi. "I don't want trouble. I just want this to stop." © 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article304029.ece ------------------------------------------------------

well personally I'm in love with the website, the graphics are impressive and it's changed dramatically since I last saw it. As for the music, well some tracks were well recieved but I'm not too sure about the new ones. However, tracks like struggling has grown on me over time and after watching the video I loved it. http://www.thedustyfoot.com/home.html

^^^Well maybe they meant that Popsicle in cased in his chest. Well I don’t think the reason was a direct result of their skin colour, but rather their skin colour was the very reason why these people were living in generally deprived areas and in poverty in the first place. The generally racist American system and way of life makes it hard for young black people to make something of them selves academically and climb that ever so slippery social ladder. If you look at this way, had it been a black person of so called "social standing", for instance Oraph and the likes, the rescue operation would be instant. Not purely because Oraph is a millionaire but because she’s respected and famous (ok she's a Millionaire!). And since these people in New Orleans resorted to looting, raping and committing assaults/offences it just proved the rest of the disobliging nation right. I mean looting electrical shops while the city is flooded and has no electricity isn’t anyone’s idea of the ideal behaviour of a desperate person in need. So I think it’s really a case of “What’s so urgent about saving a load of criminal social rejects?†I think the oil prices were more important to a lot of these people watching the innocent suffer while they stereotyped a whole city. Its comical how Bush wages war at the first sign that people sitting on lots of oil are suffering by an evil dictator somewhere far away. Like Oh mighty Bush must save them all from the evil dictator and their natural resources. And now his own people suffer right under his nose and he does nothing! Hey here’s another idea. Maybe they thought they’d delay the rescues so that they could take advantage of the soaring oil prices. After all these innocent lives are worthless to the Bush administration, they do kill for money.

Under the SOL golden rules I think you'll find this one... 5 - Trolling: don't make posts that are inflammatory just to annoy people. Or is this a different type of trolling? but then again 9 pages or so of blabbling can be alittle annoying.