define moral or morality cause thats pretty subjective, isnt it? so please define your terms for morality, is it just to live by the book (quran), or to do what you believe is right depending on the situation? edit i didnt mean as if thats what i do, but criminals have their own set of moralitiy dont they? thats what i was getting at. i just realized where i posted soplease people dont attack me, i think i brought up a good point.

this is an easy topic to talk about when yr not in the situation isnt it? i mean youd be absolutely $tupid to stay with someone who physically and mentally abused you right? just hit him back thatll teach him, pack yr bags and leave w/ the kids, its that simple. than what do you do when he finds you? what do you do if no one believes you? what do you do if you still love him and he sincerely tells you hell change? what do you do if yr kids blame you for taking away their daddy?

there are so many different maths and sciences, and i don't really remember any of them being invented by "africans". I mean we usually credit the Arabs, the Greeks and the ROmans, i never really heard of the Africans and their many inventions of math and science!!!! [/QB] ummmm, you sound a lil condescending to other africans. ever heard of timbuktu? their used to be a saying (or so my abbeh tells me), you write/get yr books in alexandria, read them in iraq (big city in iraq im forgetting right now) and study them in timbuktu. i think that says something about our fellow africans (west africans) and yes part of that has to do w/ the islamic revolution (what do you think somalis were like prior to islam?), but i think it says alot more about how a civilization thrives when it is in open communication with other nations. europe owes alot of its strenght not only economically but technologically to the fact they put themselves in a position to explore. therefore hteyd be aware of whats going on in china, other european countries, india and used that info/knowledge ot their advantage (and closing off all the darkies).also, during their rise, most, if not all, european countries were at peace w/ one another (they worked in kingdoms, all the royals married) so all the "thinkers" would be free to "think" together. arabs prior to islam were in a bad state as well and then they went out to seek knowledge and what did they do? they travelled, explored, went to large universities in diff countries/cities (timbuktu), and the same goes for africans when thay got the message and YESS, they most definitely participated in shaping math and science today... literature too (i just found out pushkin was an african). dont believe everything yr history books tell you, especially considering who wrote them, and this hwole idea that were not african is a lil upsetting to me, morrocans, algerians and white south africans arent black and arent real africans (some consider themselves african most dont) cause their ancestors MIGRATED their! WE are nomads, but we didnt migrate from a diff. land, we were ALWAYS there. so what, we look different. a black south african looks different from a black west african, and the same for an east african. you guys are dismissing the fact that africa is a mother to THOUSANDS of ehtnicities, some more obvious than others.

highly unlikely for 2 reasons, and this is strictly my opinion, i have no thesis prepared these are just my inarticulate thoughts on the subject 1) extended family and clan would not stand idly by and watch a loved one grow miserable in such a relationship 2)divorce is not tabboo in somalia, women could ask for divorce by going to a wadaad (im not sure if thats the appropriate title, but itd be a religious mediator) and having her family clan to back her up.it wasnt something to be utterly ashamed about like some people like to believe (i like how w/ every yr were away from somalia we have this distorted image of what it was, maybe cause lives here are so chaotic, you want to believe there is still a place with order and rigidness), but something that occured from time to time. i mean in many ways somali men can be a lil borderline mysoginistic (im thinking of a number of "proverbs" concerning women ive heard and im ready to wip em out if one of u comes up w/ an all somali men are saints argument), but for the most part the laws, the society, the culture has not completely ignored us (except of course when concerning lineage lines, but thats another story). the only reason i could possibly imagine that a woman would be abandonned by her family to live like that or would stick w/ such a man is money. if her family arranged this marriage to make themselves better off, or maybe they arranged it w/ a prominent figure (wadaad) and feel especially indignant that their girl would want to seperate from him or simply because shes completely dependant on him in the first place. but honestly were not like pakistan where people will cheer a man for slapping his wife in the middle of hte street (unfair caracterization yes, but it happened). i dont want to be mean, but dont classify all the goings on in yr family as common for all somalis. abuse of all sorts exists in somalia, perhaps even in one of our own families but i dont think its common or bred by our culture.

is this really a "growing issue" or is it just regular guys talking about the future harem theyre gonna pull. cause lets face it, neither in somalia past or present day somalia nor even amongst the diaspora in the west is it "common" for a man to have 2 wives let alone 4. looking around i see more men whove been divorced and re-married and men whove been widowed and re-married than accual men in polyginous(sp?) relationships. the bachelors here will all tell you they will OBVIOUSLY have more htan one wife cause a number of reasons (they cant be faithful, its their duty e.t.c) and if they do, good on them but really ask a married man if hell take on another wife, or heck ask these same fellas when they are married if theyll take on another wife and watch the numbers decline and not cause their sentimental or cause i htink theyll find "the one" but cause keeping a marriage/family together is stressful so imagine being hte head of dual households lets not even imagine 4/quadruple. the reasons polyginists relationships dont work out are usually for the same reason monogomous relationships dont work out, the people going in it just didnt realise the work theyd have to put in.

yr african and yr black, thats not to say were the same people as west africans whom, because of their representation in north america and the west indies, people immediately consider the "face" of africa, while dismissing the MANY different ethnicities africa is a mother to. were black, our skin is dark and were from africa, you may see that as a limited title, and you may be right, but there isnt just one type of "black" i.e "brown".

i like the idea of make up than accually wearing it... last year i spent some money on a make up kit to kinda teach myself to be more girly and see if i could do anything cool w/it, but it just sat on my dressing table for my lil cousins to come by and play w/ whenever they were over... the weird part is, because i have this make-up case on my dressing table i think theyre beggining to think i lead a dual life of some sorts cause im the girl who wasnt allowed to wear nail polish in high school and who basically didnt care cause i was such a tom boy.

i think that "somali beauties" thing is accually a painting... and a poor one at that. its mos def not a photograph.

sure im biased but even youve got to admit that when i first signed and was an alien, this name caught yr eye... or maybe it was the random silliness of my threads. wtv.

are somalis really movin on up if they dont own any of these buisnesses? dont they rent the shops/spaces from the arab guy? if i were in minny id be UP-SET! a somali shouldve thought of this idea and if they did and just couldnt come up with the dough than i KNOW they must be kicking themselves right now.

i thought chase was a somali rapstress... or are they talking about a diff. chase. and, why do these rappers still think that talking about getting money, getting booty is something thatll make them stand out? using peoples base/lowest desires and societies stereotypes to get rich doesnt make you an artist, in fact its very britney spears like if you ask me, and she aint hiphop! (see how i used the incorrect grammar? im so IN!!!)

my mom is convinced theyre accually jewish claiming their muslims since none of them want to show their faces and also cause she blames jews for EVERYTHING1

some of this stuff is gonna make me look like kanye west in through the wire... im allergic to eggs, but you really didnt NEED to know that. thamks.

thank you abbeh and hoyo for spoiling me to the point i had NO CLUE that we were broke till,like, yesterday.

dying at hajj is a gift dying in a human stampede isnt. there IS a problem in the organization of it if accidents that harm human life keep occuring and im not saying its the saudis faults, judging by the replies im ready to say that the entire ummah needs to adjust their minds for a lil bit to whats in front of you/them.

http://www.ipnews.planetgac.com/videos/Dirty-Kuffar-Hi.ram scroll down, dont bother reading the article itll just make yr blood pressure rise, and just download the video. i have a question, if this song makes me wanna dance does it make me a kuffar or a terrorist? american homeland security will probably make that decision for me when they scan my computer. enjoy!

no, please enlighten me. wait, i know the royal family is/are corrupt, and the country is pretty much divided in people who want reform and so called fundamentalists who just want the fam. out of power... thats all i know concerning saudi arabia, so please enlighten a lil grass hopper and stop mocking me. thank you.

so why torture them? thats my real question. how or why would they feel threatened by these men?

you know im not into this whole "somalis are the most beautiful" stuff but lets be honest our best physical trait as a people as well as the most obvious (what you can recognize a somali by) is our skin texture. not the shade, but chirka, you know? we have a glow about us. anyways why do you think somalis have an obsession with light skin? i mean ive never met a somali who id identify as ugly because they were dark and frankly i know a few homely women who are fair skinned so why? is it something we picked up from the colonisers? from the arabs? a way of distancing ourselves from west africa? is it a class thing? as in labourers are usually darker for working outdoors? im rattling along but id really like to know. its like a global concern for women to become lighter, lighten their hair, straighten their hair... part of me says it europe, but another part isnt so sure.

there is no such thing as original sin so the child has as much potential to do good and evil as any other kid, but its obviously best in the long run if the parents repent.

2 people who have fornicated together previously are not allowed to marry, but you know whaT? Allah forgives everything, so, even though this is a hypothetical, id suggest to whomever is in this situation to find God and repent for the rest of their lives, if not for them than for their child.

yr right, but a gun isnt an accessory, its a weapon, designed to kill.(i really cant tell if you were being fecetious or not) obviously we need laws and order but what does it say about our society if people are carrying guns like a purse? i think maybe people arent taking in the heavy responsibility that carrying a gun entails. this woman took her husbands ak47 (again isnt that a gun designed for war fare?)to settle a tiny dispute with a woman and ended up killing an innocent man. you could say shes one insane individual, responsible for her own actions but the fact that she, and pretty much everybody in somalia, can carry a gun so casually as if it isnt a weapon specifically for the use to kill... ah, its mind boggling to me. kay, yeah im done here. thank you for humouring me.

but what does it say about the people if everybody owns a gun like its an accesory of some sorts?

! Anyways, alot of people are on the same boat as you (although they might not look it, but most of the time you can't tell). Remember to use your nervous energy to good use. Hope this helps [/QB] ^^^true, i used to do theatre in high school and a lil in cegep. when i used to audition i used to really shock them... although thats usually when i practised my lines real hard at home. and rudy, whats this? yr mocking me? why, i thought we were chill?

^ma sha'allah. i cant think of anything sweet ive done recently... i hug my parents a lot? does that count?