WOOOOOOOOW That was beautiful explanation of what love is....to me luve sucks....cuz once you fall inlove you lose all control ------------------ "In the end we will conserve only what we love, we will love only what we understand, we will understand only what we are taught" --Unknown

whats luv got to do wit it? lol ok.ok. i can't describe luv, but is beautiful. peace.

u guys are making me laugh here.. i have seen the respect and all. but what i notice the most is all about the sex and food. that is okay ladies feed him. and the sex well that is the fun part lol.. 24/7 if that what it takes to make him happy ..... well peace out.. and keep this up i sure wanna know what my somali brothers want.. sallam. one luv all.. ------------------ peace in the middle east.

ashaafalateyn aan yara jiraa MaandheeQ lool. Ha i fara kudinin nooh

You know, if any other female-whether she be white, black, jew, muslim- had spoken up on the issue, I wonder if all you Somalis would have had such negative things to say about her. Just because she happens to belong to the same culture you do, doesnt give you the right to bash on her as an individual-maybe the content of her book-but not her. I totally think FGM was a means of control for men to have over their wives and daughters..PERIOD. All this BS about preventing sexually transmitted disease..uhm, well how were the men prevented from it? It jus another form of dominance one individual (in dis case, a whole gender) has over another. What in God's name would possess you to mutilate ya own child? Its jus to continue this vicious cycle of havin control over each other..as sick as it is... Maybe da way Warsiye went about it wasnt rite..but hell, as long as shes bringing attention to this issue..its something. At least now, we got a dialogue goin' about the situation, see..sumthing good can come out of something bad ding ding ding ------------------ "don't be a hard rock, when u really are a gem"

It will take many days to just decribe what love is, but i must say "without no love in our hearts, life is a fallen leave so pale" By JamaaL-11 lol

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“Those who criticise Athenian Democracy because of its exclusions fail to realise that democracy depends on exclusions.” Democracy is a contested term and is not singular in form or definition. A standard method of distinguishing between democracies and non-democracies is the methods by which political leaders are chosen within a polity (Held 1996). It is in this regard that the principle of political equality is considered a key democratic institution. The manner in which political equality is conceived of or interpreted has caused conflicting accounts of what democracy “is”. Current proponents of substantive democracy argue that social and economic inequality must be reduced in order to achieve political equality. They argue that a Nautonomy- a system with asymmetrical life chances is not a democracy (Held 1996) However political equality must be separated from equality and political equality may be understood more coherently strictly within the sphere of political arrangements. The extent to which an extended franchise exists within a polity and other social dimensions have become embedded into the democratic discourse. This can be viewed either as circumstances in which liberalism have informed democracy or developing from the logic of democracy itself, the former appears more congenial. The logic of democracy necessary entails relations of inclusion and exclusion. Defining the “demos” involves the exclusions of those who are not the “people”. These processes are an inherent requirement for democracy; political equality can only exist in substance when there is risk of inequality. There must be some mirror to manifest its meaning. “Every actual democracy rests on the principle that not only are equals equal but unequals will not be treated equally” (Schmitt 1985, first published 1926 :9). It is this exclusion, which epitomizes democracy. Those who criticise Athenian democracy can in theory do so in reference to the criteria exclusions are based on and the degree extent and kind of its exclusions, however this inevitably collapses into criticisms based on exclusion per se. Schmitt (1985, first published 1926) argues that democracy is dependent on homogeneity and that exclusion through the political equality of some and not others creates this. The nature of the exclusions will be related to the environment, however the need for exclusion is fundamental. Schmitt (1985, first published 1926) contends that democracy consists of an identity between the rulers and the ruled, for the unity of the demos there must be an “us” and a “them”. Those who criticise Athenian democracy may depict the rulers of sharing an identity with the ruling class rather than the “people”, what could be seen as being offered here is not an alternative to exclusionary democracy, rather an alternative exclusionary democracy with a reconfiguration of who the people are and who the people are not. Normative ideas about the virtues of Athenian democracy, may serve a purpose, however the democratic principle of exclusion must be recognised as a consistent and durable factor existing in the modern era These exclusions can be viewed as a feature of the democratic method in any era. In examining modern democracies Weber (1948) points to the introduction of the mass franchise, highlighting its role in transforming the political arena but not the exclusionary nature of democracy itself. As more people fell under the pale of the constitution, modern democracy is removed from the Parliament and the political party becomes central. The result is “Plebiscitarian democracy” which occurs because of the "necessity to woo and organise the masses" (Weber1948: 102). From this necessity develops a managerial pattern, which requires "a division of citizens with a right to vote into politically active and politically passive elements (Weber 1948: 99). Thus democracy again depends on exclusion, at least of a certain kind. For the election of the leader, a passive electorate of followers is required. Participation in elections should not be considered only in terms of who can vote and who votes but as an analysis of the organisers and the organised. The idea that the political boundaries are by their very nature exclusionary registers tension in the relationship between democratic and liberal traditions. Liberal thought rests on more universal principles. To adopt a Wittgensteinian approach there is tension between their corresponding “grammars”. The appeal for criticisms of Athenian democracy can be found in liberal traditions, which now inhabit the democratic domain. The liberal conception of equality is based on humanity, as opposed to a political community; the liberal position does not present a formula for political institutions its concept of equality is based on the individual and is universal, although ideas regarding cosmopolitan citizenship espoused by authors such as David Held and the deliberative democracy of the kind of Habermas have sought to negotiate with democratic principles. Schmitt argues that there can never be a democracy of mankind only of the people in contrast to any ideas of cosmopolitan citizenship. On the other hand Habermas (1996) for example has suggested that unity or homogeneity be based on constitutions and laws rather than a national “people”, that the demos need not be the object of a democracy the tension between liberalism and democracy is most heightened in relation to political equality. In the current context in which most democracies exist within a liberal framework, the understanding of what democracy “is” has evolved from critics of liberal democracies Much of the debate concerning substantive democracy although developed from criticism of western liberal democracies has drawn strength from stark contrast between the form and substance of democracies in the Third World often the result of the osmosis of liberal economics and politics through dominant paradigms of development. Political equality conceived of as a fundamental democratic right is impinged on heavily by economic inequality. MacPherson (1977) argued that while democratic government increased freedoms within a society capitalism gnawed at democracy because it forced individuals to transfer “their powers of self development” to economic overlords this “net transfer” of power results in social inequalities and political domination. Equality is seen from this perspective as logic of democracy and a social dimension is added to an understanding of democracy. Can you be politically included while economically and socially excluded? Freedom of speech and association it is argued presuppose the means of exercising them. In South Africa a study into the attitudes of black citizens conceptions of democracy showed that material improvement was crucial to their understanding of democracy (Hearn 1999) Intriguingly the idea that inequality leads to injustice is shared by democratic and liberal traditions, although it can manifest itself very differently. Those involved in Athenian democracy were an example of this. If someone within the people was perceived to be particularly charismatic or influential then he was ostracised for “counting for more than one”. However from a democratic position, evident from Athenian democracy this can simply mean that the political boundary can be drawn more narrowly as in the case of the ostracised influential man. From a liberal perspective it can only be extended more widely, with a case for action in economic and social spheres, which is a logical extension of their position. Those who criticise Athenian democracy are by definition modern democrats. These democrats have an articulation derived from both the liberal and democratic traditions. Empirical and normative observations of Athenian democracy if not contextualised would unfairly discriminate against Athenian democracy for lacking liberal tendencies and for therefore being “undemocratic” from this perspective. It is through the 19th and 20th century through the merging of these two positions that liberalism was democratised and democracy liberalised. It is also important to note that criticism and the ideas of social progress and social evolutionism are honoured western traditions. Democracy is subject to the idea of progress. The French social critic Jean Baudrillard has suggested that the idea of progress maybe a illusion, however despite the nature of western progress democracy may in the future no longer depend on exclusion References Barker, R (2001) Legitimating Identities. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press Habermas (1996) Between Facts and Norms. Oxford: Polity Press Hearn, Julie (2000), 'Aiding Democracy? Donors and Civil Society in South Africa,' Third World Quarterly 21(5 Held D (1996) Models of Democracy. Cambridge: Polity Press MacPherson C, B (1977) The Life and Times of Liberal Democracy. Oxford: Oxford University Press Mouffe S (2000) The Democratic Paradox. New York. Verso Schmitt C (1985) The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy. London: MIT Press Weber (1948) “Politics as a vocation” in Mills C.W and Gerth HC (eds) From Max Weber: Essays in Sociology. London: Routledge Bibliography Barker, R (2001) Legitimating Identities. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press Dahl R A (1956) A Preface to Democratic Theory. Chicago: Chicago University Press Hearn, Julie (2000), 'Aiding Democracy? Donors and Civil Society in South Africa,' Third World Quarterly 21(5 Held D (1996) Models of Democracy. Cambridge: Polity Press Lijphart, Arend (1999) Patterns of Democracy: Governmental; Forms and Performance in 36 countries MacPherson C, B (1977) The Life and Times of Liberal Democracy. Oxford: Oxford University Press Mouffe S (2000) The Democratic Paradox. New York. Verso Schumpeter J (1987) Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy. London :Unwin Weber (1948) “Politics as a vocation” in Mills C.W and Gerth HC (eds) From Max Weber: Essays in Sociology. 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Salamu Alaikum, It is indeed refreshing to see how diverse our educational field is; though it is seems the concentration is heavily embedded in the Physical Science. Many of the Chaps and not to mention chicks here are into the popular subjects like Computers. It is good field that needs not to stimulate one’s mind. I am in the dexterously thought-provoking field of Legal though sometimes it feel tedious; but hey tedious things are sometimes challenging. Farah

Dan this is really very deep and touching. thanks and we'll appreciated.

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Originally posted by Buubto: Abortion can be in two states. Each one has a special ruling. The first state: having a miscarriage after the soul is breathed into the fetus. Abortion in such a case, without a bit of difference among scholars of Islam, is completely Haram except in the following two situations: 1) If the pregnancy, according to reliable doctors of medicine, will cause certain harm to the mother. 2) If the fetus, according to reliable doctors, died in the mother's womb. OK....this is as clear as can be. I understand it. The second state: having a miscarriage before the soul is breathed into the fetus. Here are also two situations: 1) According to the majority of Muslim scholars, it is forbidden to induce an abortion during the first forty days of the fetus' life. Some scholars legalize such an action. But, the first opinion is the preponderant one, since this action constitutes a form of wiping out progeny. 2) Scholars of Islam differ greatly in case of inducing an abortion after the forty days of the fetus' life, some legalize abortion after such a period. This is less clear....#2 is not exactly saying that abortion in this case is forbidden...is it now? There is no scholarly consensus on abortion after the first forty days of the fetus's life. So, I guess it isn't illegal after all. This is what I meant when I said the matter is still unclear to me. It doesn't make sense!!!

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Subxaanalaah looool This is disaster, hadana naagaha dhowr nin mee doonaayaan Walahi Very funny waaye just joking no offend ladies guyz this is the Law of Allah and no one knows what the Wisdom behind this is, so forget about your views and opinions coz this is related to DiiN and no one allowed to give views what u need is only to follow and obey as it. LUv ya all stimulated nomad

This is quite interesting, I don't kno how I could have missed it b4. A lot of food for thought. Thanx Kowneyn.

Hello everyone, I found this topic to be interesting so I decided to reply. First off, what difference what religion the student is. Since this is a predominantly Muslim board you would think that the student would be shown as Muslim. The point of the story is not to extoll the virtues of Islam but raise questions about certain philosophical points of view. Secondly, while there are some very interesting points in the story there are some things that I find incorrect about it. First evolution is on on going process that has been witnessed and recorded. The evolution that we witness over a short time span is called "micro-evolution" by creationists. (creationists are people who believe in the biblical/Koran version that God/Allah created the world, they do not believe in evolution.) "Macro-evolution", the theory that man evolved from monkeys and similar evolutional patterns hasn't been witnessed because it takes place over millions of years. But all marco-evolution is is micro-evolution expanded outward. It is very logical and has a basis in known scientific thought and processes, such as genetics and natural seletion. If you REALLY want to debate this I could try and have a good natured discusssion and start posting some links and all, but as of now I'll leave it as is, evolution has been witnesses in nature. Second, the comparison between good/evil and hot/cold is IMO erroneous. Yes, cold is the absence of heat but evil is not the absence of good, it is a thing in and of itself. It is not a condition but a choosen path. The reason such and analogy (hot/cold @ evil/good) makes some sence is that we define good and evil by comparing them to one another. Good is defined by how we percieve evil and visa versa. An example of this is an act of someone maybe considered righteous and good by one group of people but evil by another. Just pick up a newspaper to find a instance where that happens. i.e one person's terrorists is another person's freedom fighter. Because they are dependent on each other for definition that makes them a diacotemy. (sp?) How we DEFINE them is what makes them interconnected, but each exists seperatly and is its own entity. Hope I didn't ramble on too much.

I would keep the child or give him/her up for adoption. I would NEVER abort the fetus as he/she is innocent. Buubto, I dont get what you said..... Rape with consent NEVER happen!!

ahahah @ ayeeyoow ayeeyow, maya waxa tirahdaa Habarteeey, Habarteeey loool God Bless. ------------------ "Indecision is like the stepchild: if he doesn't wash his hands, he is called dirty; if he does, he is wasting the water."

Bless u Buubto for trying....but that didn't help much. I'm even more confused than Indhadeeq. If the lady is raped with her consent, then causing abortion means committing another sin and a new crime. So, she has to repent sincerely and seek Allah’s pardon. How can someone be raped with their consent? I don't understand, if the consent was there, then wouldn't that be just sex and not rape? It's an oxymoron. The matter is still unclear to me.

looool you guys are crazy .... ------------------ "In the end we will conserve only what we love, we will love only what we understand, we will understand only what we are taught" --Unknown

HMM I'M MORE CONFUSED NOW THAN B4 ------------------ "In the end we will conserve only what we love, we will love only what we understand, we will understand only what we are taught" --Unknown

LOOOOOOOOOOOL WOW THE OLD LADY WAS SOMETHING ------------------ "In the end we will conserve only what we love, we will love only what we understand, we will understand only what we are taught" --Unknown

I'd have to Say Clean "inside out" C = classy L = loveable E = elusive A = assertive N = neutral my mom would agree with me on this, and would probably add: hard-headed/stubborn God Bless. ------------------ "Indecision is like the stepchild: if he doesn't wash his hands, he is called dirty; if he does, he is wasting the water."

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