what if the sky we fly its depth Is made beneath our feet so deep And the clouds above us get so dark and to cross the depth of the sky- bowl Is to fly downwards as you fall inside

"Qabrigii Jacaylka" -- Great rythm and music, she's got the voice to go with it too, but the sad thing is I don't understand a jack bout what she's saying. - Gabar hadiis gacal kaa galaayo ~~ ha gaabnaato ~~~ha gaduudanaatee~~ There you go, thats what I understand.

I Hope any1 of you who read my poem "SILENCE" understood what I meant . I firmly believe the more you give attention to what some1 says about you, the more you let him disturb you!. So my theory is: ignore any negative remark said about you and carry on your bussines. As far as our culture is concerned I don't see it wrong to discuss and point out the weakpoints of our culture, what we r talking about isn't a religion but a culture and it can have certain drawbacks. Mind you!! there's no culture which is 100% correct and nothing is wrong about borrowing few good habits from another culture. Silent_Guy [This message has been edited by Silent_Guy (edited 04-03-2002).]

LadyFatima **yaaaay** All the gents should take their hats off, and the ladies their Gorgorads just for you~~~ B-R-A-V-O Lordy, lordy, lord, thought this whole thread was suppose to be where we offer advices, not a throw-up corner. To make the stereotype that all Somalis are loud mouthed arrogants is a bit too harsh I'd think. Its time to put the differences aside, support each other, show love to our fellow man. How do you think a Non Somali passing thru would react if they see all the dissing/ hate among us? When you break it all down we're all the same(Somalis.) You won't get any special treatment simply cuz you act, talk, and behave different then the so called "other somalis" -- Don’t be so shallow. God Bless ------------------ Live today to the fullest because tomorrow is not promised".

There are many things that i'd like to see change but it doesn't matter to me that much. I've worked with Somalis as partners and even worked for them doing business. I know who is who and all the things most of those who think they are civilised hate about Somalis, but it is part of me. You just feel starred at coz you know you are not doing the right thing at the right place. The starring of the people is a reaction to the non-cultural things you do, simple. I dont stare and I am a Somali

These roles to me were set from the day we were born. I see some mothers that say, n believe me, it happened. " waryaa maxaa jikada ka rabtaa...hadaad cunto karis baratid naagtaada waa kuugu shaqeysanee, dadkane waa kuula yaabaayaan"... I was shocked...but than most somali mothers think, kitchen is for girls, a guy all he has to do is change his clothes, sit, get food that was preset on the table...n leave. Most of them don't carry the empty dish back to the kitchen...walaahi its horrible. To resolve this mothers need to be educated about the necessities that revolve around unlimited gender roles. Women stay in most marriages coz, they want their children to have aabo, n there is nothing wrong with that. I would do, all that n more. I don't believe in divorce. I married him, so i better stick to him...otherwise, I need to be wise b4 I say I do. ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress

Walaashiis: Let me see if I can help u... Verse 1: Qabrigii jaceylkow quran kaan ku mariyee,haka baqanin ooftee, u qodmeel dhaxbuuro(not sure about this line, but I think that is what she says) Alahayow qiyaamaha intu nabigu qoraayee, rabi qaadir kaaga yeel rabi qaadir kaaga yeel... Verse2: Qeybtii ibleeskiyo laga qari cadaabtoo, qimabadan fardowsiyo janadii qudhquriyow, Alahayow qiyaamaha intu nabigu qoraaye rabi qaadir kaayeel... That is it....anyone do correct me if I am wrong.. MMA: ebedkey adoo wax la weydiiyey si quman u jawaabaayo weli ma arkin..habartaa markii ku dhaleesi waxaa u qabaa, adoo qalooc eh in lagaa soo bixiye.... Abdinuur: Bilaajo hoosteed???>...intaas xitaa ma soo saari weysay mise qaldaan fangagey aa tahay?...lol... anyways here it is Verse I: Ku jirtaa bilaajo hoosteeda boondheeri ay ku jirtaa bilaajo hoosteedee boondheere aa... VerseII Lafuraa miney falaaxowdo naag fiican waa la furaa miney falaaxowdee naag fiican... VerseIII Idilaa haleeyga daaweeyo awdaare waa i dilaa haleeyga daaweeyo awdaare waa, haleega daaweeyo awdaare waa. ....that is it for now..... ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress

Lady: Its indeed true that we do belong to Somali culture no less than those that we have finger pointed. However sis, I do disagree one thing u said,"Bringing out the Bad/Negative things about your Culture Won't Solve the Problem rather it's only adding to it.." The more we clearly state the problem, the better chance we have in obtaining a solution...that is the first step in resolving any problem. We love somalis, we love being a somali, yet trying to eliminate those factors that emit negative impact is not only right but its honorable. Maybe the way we criticized made it sound like we hate being somali more than we r proud. No. WE ARE PROUD of being SOMALI. BY the way there is nothing wrong with the way we dress. I usually were pants, not too tight not too loose, its Minnesota, come on dirac is not an option. The second thing, I always look for long skirts, the only ones that I find r those sold at the somali malls. Not only every skirt in every dukaan looks the same, but every somali woman that enters the place n r met in the streets r in it. U being a sister u know how we feel, about that. No girlie thank u, I rather have my own sense of styling...but than the good news is, I am going to Abu dhabi this summer so hopefully I will get me some long skirts, of my own style... .. To make a long story short, we r not haters we r just pointers..... Buubto: Now about the girl friends I do disagree/agree in some ways. Well I do disagree coz, there r two girls I am best friends with, n believe me they r much more worth than the time I spend with them.. let alone regret. I do agree with ya, coz there r girls out there, the minute u turn ur back, they r backbiting u. Its just simple....be careful of who u befriend. N before u pour ur heart out to her, investigate, n observe. I love my sisters, though most of my friends r guys...n this is mainly b/c of my love for soccer . Now my aim is girl friends... n I am certain there r plenty of them out there. ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress

Charity begins at home..... Beware trashing ya own is like akick ya backside too. ------------------ ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-`` (li),` ((!.-` S-h-a-q-ss-ii

“Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive on With diligence.” I truthfully feel none of us have anyone to blame for whatever we have done with our own personal lives. It has been proven that at the age of 7 most of us have reached the age of reason -- which means we do, at this age, understand & know the difference between right & wrong. Hope that too applies to us the “Somalis” Of course -- environment plays an awfully important part in our lives as we assimilate and embrace or not embrace other cultures that Somehow clash with our own. "Our strengths are often our weaknesses and our weaknesses are often our greatest strengths." What matters is to try to respect the Old culture as much as you do the new. As for Dummies they surely are everywhere and exist in all communities……all one can do is not to even notice their dilemma which of couse U. Spread some some Love instead..J: ------------------ ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-`` (li),` ((!.-` S-h-a-q-ss-ii

Originally posted by Hibo: Caydiid: Weakness can be defined in many different ways bro...i am not sure what ur intentions were as in this topic..but to me weakness is defined as " The inability to blend in or adopt to the rules n ways of living in the enviroment that u live in without loosing the moral values u hold dear" That is to me weaknes...however, its apparent ur beef is on something else...coz, from what i have narrated, there is nothing inappropriate about it....as far as Somali culture is concerned! Abdinuur: its 4 real walaahi One can overlook the literal meanings in words, but can't deny the implications within them. So, don't worry Hibo, the picture you've drawn is visible to me.

Caydiid: Weakness can be defined in many different ways bro...i am not sure what ur intentions were as in this topic..but to me weakness is defined as " The inability to blend in or adopt to the rules n ways of living in the enviroment that u live in without loosing the moral values u hold dear" That is to me weaknes...however, its apparent ur beef is on something else...coz, from what i have narrated, there is nothing inappropriate about it....as far as Somali culture is concerned! Abdinuur: its 4 real walaahi ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress

Originally posted by Hibo: It feels like u all r talking about the same experiences I had walaahi. When I first cam eto MN, for some reason, I was so much into Somalis, I am still. So I thought to myself, I would atleast spread my luv, so I went out saying hello to every Somali I see. Till later I learned that they considered me as a psycho...walaahi it shocked... What do u know? I now fall in the same category as they, I simply ingore any somali that I don't know...I hate it, but that is the way its suppose to be I guess.... Isii_ I took my friends I mean we were like 15 of us, to Xamdi restraunt in Mpls, everyone was staring at us, coz we were all chatting in English..n I being the only somali.. I heard some guys saying, " Waa gaal ismood"...I was like what?..Just simply I am having a good time with my "ajinabi" friends doesn't mean " Gaal is mood aan ahay".. yaa ogaado I am more somali than they will ever be! An admission of your irresistable weaknesses. Can I say you were obviously assimilated into a culture that you don't belong? America wants my values, its part of the project, believe or not. Am always into that ideology.

It feels like u all r talking about the same experiences I had walaahi. When I first cam eto MN, for some reason, I was so much into Somalis, I am still. So I thought to myself, I would atleast spread my luv, so I went out saying hello to every Somali I see. Till later I learned that they considered me as a psycho...walaahi it shocked... What do u know? I now fall in the same category as they, I simply ingore any somali that I don't know...I hate it, but that is the way its suppose to be I guess.... Isii_ I took my friends I mean we were like 15 of us, to Xamdi restraunt in Mpls, everyone was staring at us, coz we were all chatting in English..n I being the only somali.. I heard some guys saying, " Waa gaal ismood"...I was like what?..Just simply I am having a good time with my "ajinabi" friends doesn't mean " Gaal is mood aan ahay".. yaa ogaado I am more somali than they will ever be! ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress

Her opinion doesn't really mean shes right about what she wrote. The way she told her story is what makes every Somali mad. They call it Sensationalism....Defame her own to become famous. Circumcision has been part of the Somali culture for ages. If something has to be changed then it has to be discussed in arational educated manner not make Somalis abarbaric culture which its not. My Opnion is that the way she went about it was wrong.....Sensationalism and rediculing her own wont make her abetter person rather history would always be unkind and treat her as the one that sold out. FGM is Wrong and thats where the story should have began not Somalis treating her like apeace of meat. ------------------ ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-`` (li),` ((!.-` S-h-a-q-ss-ii

I haven't read the book yet. Buubto, Are you mad at Waris for telling the truth? So what if you are talking about Somalis in a negative way. They need to be told the truth..which is the way they treat their women is not right at all. I'm glad Waris went out there and at least tried to let everyone know about issues that exist in Somalia cuz if you aint gonna solve your own problems, someone else will. Buubto, you say that circumsion is alright if you get it done the suni way. It's not dear. why are you even gonna alter something you were born with. if Allah meant for you to have it in one piece, then y'all parents shouldn't be messing with it. Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) only said it to do the suni way cuz he didnt want to totally change the culture at the time. So when some one speaks out about their experience and they tell the whole world what Somalis do in Somalia, stop living in denial and see the truth for what it is. ------------------ Don't get mad..Just my opinion!

What kind of question is African or Arab? I suggest you look at the nearest map and look at what continent we're sittin' on. If you are Somali...You are African...therefore Black..therefore not Arab.

Why are most Somali men mostly Skinny and the Women twice as Big.... Does the myth Amazon women come to mind? Or is it just a food versus Qaat Issue! Please make me understand the causes of this Phenomenon ------------------ ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il),-`` (li),` ((!.-` S-h-a-q-ss-ii

People will judge you as long as you live. Its a human instinct which doesn't really bother me alot. I figured its good to remain mysterious to them, keep a safe distance always. Let them worry about what you'r like, be a buzzle lol. Works for me~~ God Bless ------------------ Live today to the fullest because tomorrow is not promised".

Got nothing to say but laugh. ------------------ Live today to the fullest because tomorrow is not promised".

Arawelo Hanagu Hunqaacin walaal. Women should be RAALIYO period. End of Discussion thats what the Prophet SCW and ALLAH Subhana wa ta'ala encouraged and demanded of women. She should obey her husband through thin or thick. masalama

Hey, I am here again. First and foremost I must thank the sister who started this thread, Ashkira. Secondly, submission to your husband is not dependance but it is a respectful acceptance. Marriage has nothing to do with power and rule, it is not a material gain game, but it is mutuality between two souls who entrusted each other to live for each other without gradges. Most women who call themselves "independent" are totally off-the-truck of understanding whar mutality is, coz all they've seen is material. Only few So-called "independent" woman like ashkira have the brains to difference between respectful acceptance of a partner and independence. [This message has been edited by MrJibriiL (edited 04-02-2002).]

Starlight, Why I love you; I love how i feel for you without taking a step I love how your love stretches like a blue nile I love How i think you talk, wink and then smile I love How cute i think you look if i smile at you I love How glad i think you be if i say i love you coz If i am hit by a car down the road I know I will keep moving, i'll keep loving I know I will not stop for the pain i'm feeling and If i am struck by a bullet to the heart i know I'll not stop breathing i'll keep loving

Hibo, thanks sister but surely we missed your poems. I love your poems. I am not that fast either, I have loads of things to think of nowadays but I'll never stop writting poetry, Insha-allaah

Jamal/starlight/gentle.. magnificent.. that is just beautiful...these days my poetry dried out.. i guess i got too much going on in my life.. i rarely get the time ..but i will certainly join the boat once its all clear! ------------------ Each one of us is a masterpiece in progress