^^^^ after bu cunaya.

^^^ sxb i see so the point of posting for all this incident ( if it's true ) was to further your ONLF agenda and take cheap shots at sland? and i was thinking it was because you felt sympathy for the lady, i am yet to see sland websites report this so i guess we will have to wait sorry.

^^^^^ dude are you trying to deny those events took place ? i see so those words/actions means nothing to you ? perhap you should go research it for yourself , videos, pictures , dugged up skeletons you will see many evidences the truth will never hide itself ogow taas no matter how silly you try to play it. :cool: as for Bishaaro if this is true then it's a sad event may allah her, however remember she is not more important then the thousands of innocent people , women , children , old people, men who parished in the past.

Gudoomiyaha Baaarlamaanka iyo Gudoomiyaha Ucid oo shahaado sharafyo lagu gudoonsiiyay dalka Finland. Helsinki(Ramaas) Feb.16, 2010 - Labada gudoomiye oo beryahanba safaro shaqo ku maraayay wadamada yurub iyo kuwa barwaaqo sooranka ayaa kulan xogwaran ahaa oo ay la yeesheen 13.2.2010 dadweynaha iyo suxufiyiin reer finland ah ayaa waxaa lagu gudoonsiiyay kulankaas shaahdo sharafyo lagu xusay heerka ay ka qaateen iyo halganka ay ugu jiraan dimuqraadiyada, nabada iyo aqoonsiga Somaliland. Kulankan oo uu soo qabanqaabiyay Horn Organisation for Peace and Democracy isagoo la kaashanaya odayaasha iyo dhalinta reer Somaliland ee Finland waxaa ka soo qayb galay dadweynaha Somaliland ee Finland rag iyo dumarba, dhalin iyo dhalaan, odayaal, waxgarad iyo wadaado intaba, waxaa kaloo goob joog ka ahaa saxaafada Finland iyo marti sharaf kaleba. Kulankan waxaa furay Gudoomiyaha Horndemocracy Dr. Maxamuud Maxamed kuna soo dhaweeyay Xuseen Sulub oo ayaado quraan ah ku bilaabay kulankan. Waxaa mar kale mikrafoonka la wareegay Dr. Maxamuud oo u mahad celiyay dadweynihii kulankan ka soo qayb galay, kuna soo dhaweeyay Mudane Ing. Faysal Cali Waraabe,gudoomiyaha xisbiga Ucid ahna musharaxa madaxweynaha xisbiga Ucid. Waxaa uu Faysal ka xog waramay waxyaabahii uu kala soo kulmay baarlamaanka yurub isagoo sheegay in si fiican loogu soo dhaweeyay halkaasi, haday ahayd jaaliayada Somaliland ee Brussel iyo baaralmaanka yuruba, waxaa uu gudoomiyuu halkaasi kula kulmay xubno badan oo ka tirsan baarlamaanka yurub kana wada hadleen arimaha Somaliland iyo sidii wada shaqayn joogtoa ah ay u yeelan lahaayeen. Waxaa kaloo Faysal ka waramay qorshaha xisbiga Ucid uu dalka ku maamuli doono hadii uu talada wadanka qabto, taasi oo sau,aalo badan laga weydiiyay, kuwaasi oo uu gudoomiyahu ka jawaabay. Intaa ka dib waxaa mikrofoonka lagu marti qaaday Gudoomiyaha Baarlamaanka Somaliland Mudane Cabdiraxmaan Cirro, waxaa uu gudoomiyahu ka waramay mudadii uu baaralamaanka madaxda ka ahaa waxyaabahii u qabasoomay iyo arimaha doorashada Somaliland oo labada gudoomiyeba ku qanciyeen dadwaynahii kulanka ka soo qayb galay inay doorashadu wadanka ka dhacayso oo komishanakuna ay hawlahoodii ku guda jiraan. Dahlinyarada reer Somaliland oo uu hadalaayay gudoomiyaha ururka dhalinyarada LANDERS Ismail Yussuf Xaluulad ayaa isaguna halkaasi ka soo jeeday waxqabadkooda uguna baaqay inay isutagaan dhalin ta Somaliland oo ay wax wada qabsadaan. Intaa ka dib ayaa xildhbaan Roda Xasan oo ah xildhibaan golaha deegaanka magaalada Turku ahna gudoomiye ku xigeenka Horn Democracy ay la wareegatay hadalka iyadoo sheegtay halka Somaliland ay ka liidataa inay tahay inaan dumarka kaalintoodii laga siinin maamulka dalka iyo xisbiyada midnaba, ayna tahay in xisbiyadu ay ku dadaadlaan sidii sinaan loo heli lahaa oo dumarka qaybtooda uga qaadan lahaayeen dhisida dalkooda hooyo, iyadoo sheegtay in sharafta dalkaagu ay adiga wax kaa dhigayso hadiise aadan dal fiican lahayn aanad sharaf yeelanayn sidaa awgeedna ay lagama maarmaan tahay in dalka wax kastoo loo qaban karo loo qabto mucaarad iyo muxaafidba. Waxaana qadar daqiiqado ah la galay nasasho iyadoo hakaasi lagu cunay laguna cabay cuno fudud , cafee iyo shaah ay marwooyinka Somaliland ku soo dhaweeyeen dadweynii shirkaasi ka soo qayb galay. Waxaana la galay qadar su,aalo iyo jawaabo ah oo dadweynaha iyo madaxdu halkaasi isku weydaarsadeen. Waxaana madaxdan gaar ahaan musharaxa madaxweynaha loo soo jeeday talooyin wax ku ool ah, odayaashii iyo dadweynihii halkaa ka hadlay waxaa ka mida ahaa Saleebaan Maxamuud Guuled (Saleebaan dheere),Oday Hangool,Oday Cabdillahi Xasan iyo dhalinyaro reer Somaliland ah. Gabagabadii kulanka ayaa waxaa madaxda qaranka la gudoonsiiyay shahaado sharafyo kuwaasi oo uu gudoonsiiyay Mudane Cabdiraxmaan Ibraahim Cartan, madaxduna ay uga mahadceliyiin dadweynaha reer Somaliland ee Finland kulankan qiimaha badan iyo taageerada joogtada aha ee dadaweynahani la garab taagen yihiin ummadooda iyo dalkoodaba. Mahad alle Horn Democracy Helsinki, Finland

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^We are all ears. What happen in those years? Carpet Bombing , tortures, killings , assisinations, poisoning, indiscriminate killings, rapes whether it be women , children , old people, men etc even poisoning the wells of whole towns and villages , killing livestocks.

^^^^I don't know why some people in here acting like somalis loved each other like blood & diamond, somalis have been doing worser things to each other in 1988 , 1991 and countless other years, but some people choose to put a blind eye on those years.

^^^^ aint they already armed? i am talking about the ONLF or are you talking about the civilians of ONLF.

but what i don't get is , in the SNM days did the people of ONLF ever offered us a protection? instead it was the other way around they murdered thousands of innocent fleeing people from the somaliland border, and they were armed to the teeth by the former siad bare goverment ( remember WSLF ) ? so i don't think the people of ONLF owe us anything but i still think we should be the bigger people and treat them well. we just have to remember the ONLF formerly WSLF is neither innocent either they murdered hundreds of innocent civilians in the 1980 - 1990 period.

sxb horta suug newska aan huubaysano i am yet to see it in any of the sland websites, it's not good to jump into conclusions too quickly.

if somaliland or puntland can't not offer protection for the people of ONLF then they should go somewhere else for their own safety ( just a good advice).

^^^ true i agree on this 1.

very bad ( if its true ).

Badhan

well done Somaliland Red Cross Crescent.

you seem excited.

i don't get the big deal with arabs the only thing we share is perhap religion and a bit of culture but to me a indonesian and a arab is the same to me.

Originally posted by The Zack: OG's in Western Somalia, NFD, and Jubba's are 6.5 million, intiina kale isa soo tiriya oo noo soo sheega tiradiina.... That is according to the official tolka census. PeaceNow, Ethiopians maybe larger in number than Somalis but keep in mind Ethiopia can breakdown into smaller states any times. Those people don't even belong to each other. you meant to say somalis? cause it's somalis who live in somali region......

no.....

^^^ Let's just say somaliland is not Mirqaan compared to the tiny hot khat nation of djibouti.

^^^^ sxb simple i don't know why he is calling somaliland mirqaan when infact djibouti is more mirqaan lol so it doesn't really make sense the word mirqaan coming from a dji national, he needs to find another word that makes sense for sland.

may sxb siida maan ku uroon laakinse markasta topicskasta oo somaliland la so dhiigo waxad ku darta wordka "Mirqaan" marka waxan iis iri wali the gebiley incident bu ka carosanyahay.

^^^ war Djib wali ma sland baad daba joogta , i though we sorted out the gebiley incident.

Rotational Presidency in Somaliland: A Viable Solution to Reoccurring Presidential Election Disputes Somaliland’ fledgling democracy has met many serious obstacles since the very first municipal elections that were held in December 2002. The peak of these obstacles was the deep political crisis that resulted as a delay of the presidential elections. This crisis was so deep rooted that for the first time in Somaliland’s history a solution came only after international mediation arrived at the 11th hour from both the Ethiopian and British foreign ministries. As a result, Somaliland’s tradition of solving their own problems and putting their own house through traditional elders and mediation suffered a blow for the first time. The political impasse seems to have settled down for the time being but it can flare up at any moment because up to now no date has been set for the elections and even worse the irregularities of the voter registration system have not yet been corrected. This brings us to the question of how we can avoid political instability in the future and whether the current constitutional law allowing the winning party of a presidential election to hold power for a five year term is viable. This five year term policy has only contributed to Somaliland’s problems because the ruling political party has had five years to consolidate power. We have seen with the incumbent Udub’s seven years in office how one political party will perpetually hold on to political power well past their 5 year term. But Udub alone is not to blame and it is a fact that the two opposition parties Kulmiye and Ucid never gave the government a chance to work and started their policy of destructive criticism immediately after the Udub party won the elections in 2003 and even tried to mobilize a hasty impeachment act against the president after he had served only 2 years as president. I strongly believe that a system of rotational presidency with each party holding office for a period of two or at the most three years is the only viable solution that can steer Somaliland out of the risks of a conflict that may arise as a result of presidential elections. A system of rotational presidency would make all political parties content, make them all feel included and at the same time contribute to an indivisible Somaliland. I am in no way suggesting that Somalilanders are not sophisticated enough to practice democracy with a one man one vote system. Parliamentary elections and municipal elections should be held just as they have been for the past and the political parties would have the chance to display their support among the masses during such elections despite a system of rotational presidency. At the same time the Guurti or house of elders would still exist as the second chamber of parliament. Some critics would suggest that such a system of rotational presidency alongside parliamentary and municipal elections is not the ´´truest form of democracy.´´ But, rotational presidency is not undemocratic it is rather an all accommodating democracy. A nation is qualified to be called a democracy if it respects agreed rules and procedures. Switzerland provides a good reference point for analysis on the subject of rotational presidency. Switzerland, a small nation though it operates a system of "collective presidency" in which leadership is rotated annually. Yet Switzerland is one of the world´s most democratic and stable nations. The only difference is that Switzerland’s rotational presidency is based on rotation between the 6 cantoons (provinces) that make up the country, some of which speak different languages: French, German and Italian. However, in Somaliland it would be more ideal to base it on political parties rather than regions in order to counter the tribal/clan factor since every region is inhabited by certain clans. Rotational presidency would regulate a system whereby all political parties would feel inclusive with each party knowing that they have at the most 6 years until they too are in office. As a result, both the party in office and the others not in office at the time would be obliged to work together closely. It would redesign the political equation of the country so that no party would be left out in the wilderness and eliminate the risk of one political party having the chance to monopolize the leadership of Somaliland and especially the presidency. At the same time we would no longer have the current unethical politics of ´´ku jiq sii´´ which is nothing but political sabotage by all the three parties. The current system of presidential elections every five years has only divided the country deeply along party lines and endangered the country’s stability on two occasions: first during the disputed presidential elections of 2003 and later in the aftermath of the delayed elections that were scheduled to be held in 2009. The harsh truth we have to accept and bear in mind is that presidential elections just has not worked well for Somaliland. With the current system and status quo we will always have the curse of an incumbent government trying to cling on to power by hook or crook even well past their five year mandate and on the other side opposition parties that feel alienated and frustrated. In contrast to this, the political vision of rotational presidency in general emphasizes more of a politics of representation. In this case, the focus is to ensure that the different political parties in the country all have an equal chance to occupy the executive branch of government. It is believed that representation touches a sensitive aspect of human life, which relates to some basic human pride, guaranteeing a sense of belonging. In Somaliland’s case rotational presidency would bring the political parties more together in the spirit of team work and cooperation and thus lead to a solid unity within the country. Moreover such a system would ensure that the party which is the underdog in parliament would have the chance to demonstrate good governance during their two year term and this could give them a chance to increase their parliamentary seats during parliamentary elections. I am sure that critics would say that our constitution does not stipulate a system of rotational presidency but politics is about pragmatism and such a change in the constitution would be held as a referendum and set before the people to give their verdict. I am also aware that some would argue that a system of rotational presidency amongst the political parties alongside an elected parliament and house of elders has never existed before. To them I would say that even the greatest democracies in the world today for example the U.S.A. evolved and enhanced their democracies by putting it to the test and went through many changes in order to suit the needs and structures of their own societies. The system that I advocate for would be a unique home grown solution to our dilemma of presidential elections that have paralyzed Somaliland on many occasions and are a potential source of future conflict. It would be our remedy to avoid presidential elections that have been so synonymous with nothing but a nation sitting on a powder-keg just waiting to explode at any moment. I strongly believe that rotational presidency among political parties offers the only solution for peaceful existence in Somaliland’s case and a way to steer clear of future conflicts. that may arise as a result of presidential elections. Ahmed Hussein Kahin Sweden

nice.

interesting...