Hablihii 300 ee geela laga bixin jirey ma sidan ayaa udanbeysey? ^ Sophist.. ka wareeji..2006 aa lagu jiraa..see camal, duqa..Waa Qays iyo Layla camal nooh

@Cable TV, Kentucky Fried Chicken, 'Buger' King. Reminds of the Somali dude who told me "All I want in life is a Saudi girl and a Cadillac car" Mida kele, let's get the dollar figure right. I spoke to dude, 160-180K is the base salary, with bonuses we're talking 250K+. Doctors don't make that kinda dough. So basically what it comes down to is this: Is your soul & conscience worth a cool quarter mil tax-free dollars yearly + Cable TV ? And as our able recruiter reminds us, you get the chance to 'Fight war against terroism!' If you're really lucky, you just might get a chance to interrogate a terrorist, using ur super-high tech lingo skills in Abu Ghraib. Worth looking into, thas all I'm saying. Give Captain America a ring @ 972.207.0208

You ! Who's down ?

Run it: Operation Paradigm Shift... Good lookin' yaa Nurka. There's about 30something days before Ramadan '06 debuts, more than enough time to plan & prioritize on how to fully benefit from these upcoming holy days. Carpe Diem, dagnamit.

Their attitude here (and unwitting message) tilts heavily towards the laying the blame elsewhere and arguing about foreign policies Two-time Republican presidential nominee and stalwart christan Pat Buchanan gets it. Head of the CIA "Bin Laden unit" and author of Imperial Hubris Michael Scheuer gets it. So why can't Grandpappy Ngonge comprehend this most basic demonstration of Newton's 3rd law ? It's the freakin' foreign policy, istupidh I quote "The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that "Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do." Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It's American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaeda , not American culture and society" You want to make this spectre of 'extremism' go away ? Identify, acknowledge, and address the root causes. Dig a litle bit deeper than radical mosques and "they hate us because of our freedoms". Don't solve the root causes, and I assure you, the "clash of civillisations" will only flourish. Duplitious you say ? no atheerkis, the MCB's coming correct on this one. And I bet you the British public is with them on their emphasis on foreign policy. The Middle East, Asia, and Africa have been the playground of the West for the past 300 years. Like kids in a sandbox, Western governments(with a few exceptions) have been changing the fates of entire nations with a few strokes of the pen. No need to recount the suffering and deaths caused during the colonial era. Aight, after that, if they'da stayed the hell away and stopped supporting this dictator or invading that country, I'd hear you. But the greivances that SB so causally dismisses(u need to wake up, boy) are being constantly stoked and restoked by imperialistic interference in the lives of Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide, covertly and overtly. It's like picking at a scab wound and saying "Dammit, why won't it heal"(Dammit, why do they hate us so much) put it best when he impersonated a fictitious Arab ruler calling Bush: Aaaaloooo.... Mr.Boooosh, Hoow ar yooo....We like your Beebsiii...We like your Koka-koolaaa... We like your Baywatch...and Angelina Joliiiie...and Hollywoooood..but Mr.Booosh...bleees...STOP KILLING US Stop killing us, indeed. With respect to muslims in the West, they need to do much more to fight extremism in their ranks. So far, it's been see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. The rather perversely skewed perception many have of the West doesn't help matters either. SB, u got some typos in your post. I redid the grammer and spelling, but the meat of what you were trying to articulate came through just fine. don't even mention it, brah..help u anytime with the editing "With respect to Western goverments, they need to do much more to fight imperialism in their ranks. So far, it's been See a Muslim, Steal a Muslim , Kill a Muslim. The rather perversely inhumane attitude many have towards Muslim lives & property doesn't help matters either."

You touch our people and our soldiers will be in Muqdisho tomorrow 6 AM. ^ Waraa Somali, the jig's up..Only a bona fide waryaa can booto like that. Just get off the Ethiopian uber-nationalistic bandwagon, even if you are one. Or else, I'mma knock ur teeth inside out, you'll smile backwards

Murder, rape, and burning corpses. Not a Hollywood horror flick, but everyday life in Iraq brought to you by the US Army's finest.

Aight, Horn.. Tell me what you would accept as the 'pudding' and I'll happily serve it. Example: A scanned copy of Dictatorial Decree X7383345 explicitly banning the hijab under pain of death by camel-trampling. Whatever it is that'll make you a believer, I got it, brah. You're missing the point here. This whole thread is a comparison of Attaurk & Barre's rule. As I've hammered on over and over again, both men were fierce secularists, both men were military career men who owed everything they had to the Army. Both men decided to 'modernise' their country by getting rid of what they considered backward practices. Attaurk codified it, Barre didn't. What difference does that make ? Barre set up entire instituions that were in direct conflict with Islam(Orientation centers), and which preached hanti-wathaag, among other BS. If those 'centers of enlightment' forbid young women from wearing the hijab or prevent Muslims from praying, who's responsible ? Let's say it together: Awoowe Jalle President/Dictator Siad Barre(you might wanna add the usual 'naxaaristo' here). The buck stops at the top. Now if you can't get over the hijab issue, let's discuss bigger crimes Barre committed against Islam. Let's start with the Family Law and the subsequent shahaada of the 11 scholars. Care to give us your version of what really happened ?

First major interview with the main man himself. Ka leextha

I am also astounded someone can make an accusation of that magnitude and expect to get away with it. HornAfrique, What you call accusations, thousands of people call facts. This ain't "Waxa-la-yiri" Times, this is "Waxaa-igu-dacay" Gazette. I don't see how you can argue with that, unless ur calling them liars. A lady personally tells me that she and 6 of her friends were told to either drop the hijaab or drop Lafoole College, and I'm supposed to question that ?(they dropped the college) Because HornAfrique and MMA will feel bad about the Barre regime ? Maybe I should've asked her for her sources ?( Eedo, ayathoo qoran oo saxiixan macal sawirkaaga oo student ID'ga circa 1975 ma haysaa) ? No, my akhi. I don't need sources to document the anti-Islamic nature of the Barre regime. It's like asking for proof that the Pope is Christian.(hint: he wears a big cross on his chest). Pope = Christian. Secular + Military = anti-Islam. Barre-dude is just a manifestation of that equation. But for argument's sake: A) 11 scholars were summarily executed. You dispute that ? B)The inheritance and divorce laws of Islam were changed. You dispute that ? P.S. Ok, feeling a lil bit guilty here so I will give you a source: I.M. Lewis's A Modern History of Somalia. ISBN: 058264657X. Excellent and balanced(for a Brit) read.

Kuwa maanta socdo hal bari ee rabaan inay sheekh iyo shariif ku noqdaan Marka waa la daxlaa aan umalaynaa 'Sheeknimada'(read: Awliyo) yaah lol ? Handed down from father to son in the traditional Somali style. You can rest assured that the old days where deen = dhaqan(somaliyeed or otherwise) are long gone and 'Kuwa maanta soctho" have finally claimed their inheritance(Islam) and grasped it fully. Wakey, Wakey, akhyaarta..hordatha ka kaca. Abwaankii Abu Jesse Bob bin Abraham Al-Dylan ayaa wuxu tiriyay: Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'

Good point, yaa bilan. I stand corrected. But Abu Cuteyba bin QacQaac sounds a whole lot cooler than Faarax Maxamed Jaamac, doesn't it ?

Taloow 'abuu' inay diinta kamid tahay mee moodeen? Macalinka, FYI, "Abuu" waxaay ka mid tahay Sunnada Nabiga(SWCW). Waxaa loo yaqaana 'Al-Kunya'. Nabiga teesa waxay ahayd Abal Qaasim. Marka, inkastoo ragiinaan "Somalists"-ka dhibayso..."abuu" iyo "umuu" iyo "ibnuu" waa part of the Sunnah. Find something else to 'diss' the Islamic Courts on(their blessed march continues unabated inshallah).

@carebeysan. Hands off my caseer mushakal. So dhawaaw, Hadaa la timaado some heavy abwaan stuff, I'mma hit you with Mutanabi's Best Akhyaarta, marka untill aan ka soo helayno gabayga, mid kele noo bilaaba, something oo classical eh but not too difficult. Wiil-Waal maybe ? Xiin, all eyes on you. The burden of precedent and great expectations. Jazaaks.

^ . macalinka cusub, athiga afsoomali cajeeb aa ku hadlaysaa. I'm guessing 'hudheel' would be the Somali pronounciation of hotel.

@better ask me and i will tell u the truth. I like your style, homes. Me, You're falling in the old trap of equating Islam and Arabism. Arabs have been getting their collective butts kicked by Israel simply because they resorted to nationalism. You get your kicks out of hating Arabs, fine by me. But don't distort history. That wasn't the subject anyway. Barre and Attaurk were, and they both codified and enforced laws that were at best, contradictory to Islam, and at worst, aimed at eradicating Islam from the political, social, and economical arenas. Sing their praises all you want; their record stands for history to judge.

Odayasha iyo Abwaanta SOL oo mudan, Meeshan waxaa naliga codsanaayaa inaa nagu caawinteen, hadanu nahay dhalanyarta oo qurbaha ku koray, gabayga Somaliga inaa nagu caawinteen. Maxa dhacay waa muheem jiddan oo taarikhda Somaliyeed iyo culture-keena faham-kiisa baa ku jirto. Hadaba format-ka(ama qaab-ka) waa sithaan soo socoto: Hal gabay oo classical camal eh ayaa la soo dijinaa, marka waa la sharaxaa macnaheesa iyo Vocab-ga adag waa la macnaynaa Here's an excellent example, with a outstanding explanation by Xiinka Faneenka. With one funny line, Abdi-Gaheir showcased the importance and value that the Camel has in our lives: Aakhirana nimaan geel laheyn lama amaaneynee Topic-starter gets first pick. Vaguely remember it but something along the lines of: Wiil labo iyo toban jiro haduu lali ahaan waayo oo habayn saq-dhexe martitha caano oo keeno waaye oo neef oo qali waaye, iga tag ninkaas nin jiro ma ahan. lol..not exactly like that but same general meaning( If you can't marti-soor at age 12, then you're a bum, basically)...Could somebody post the whole gabay and explain it ? Afeedoonaa macsharal Abwaans

Thanks Baashi, Xiin, and Sharmarke.. This thread tho is light-years ahead of me. The main thing is the vocabulary, I guess. The abwaans are using afsoomali words aan weligay maqlin..so it's tough to understand the gabay overall. I'll open a Gabay for Dummies thread and hope you guys can lend ur expertise. Somali poetry is simply facinating.

There's no polite way to say this, and it's gotta be said, so I'mma just say it: F Attaturk and his beloved military. Hero kuluhaa.. Hitler was a hero to the Germans too. All that Third Reich jazz and Aryan glory. Ate up half of Europe in one year. Today, his name is equivalent to a curse word. Once Islam returns and gains strength in Turkey and the military loses it's death-grip on power, Attaturk will be given his proper place in history. That of a military genius who heralded the begining of secular dictatorships in the Muslim World and a fierce hatred of everything Islamic. Among his pupils: Gamal Abdul-Nasser, Hafez Al-Asad, Mu'mar Al-Gaddafi, Siad Barre, and Perves Musharraf to name a few. Turks will be suffering the after-effects of his 'reforms' for generations to come. Me, the words 'great' and anti-Islam are mutually exclusive. By being anti-Islam, you're as great as dog vomit. Enter Kemal Mustafa Attaturk. I can understand( and disagree with) secularism. I do not understand hijab-banning, from any point of view whatsoever. That's why I'd take Dubya over Attaturd any day.

^ Here's why he , and another look. Jokes aside tho, Look at video and see how the slimy grimy Talyaani has him in a bear hug. Word is that he twisted his nipples and as Zidane was walking away, insulted his masculinity. That's the most plausible explanation, until Zidane speaks up.

Bottom line: France lost the World Cup because of a) Zidane's red card. b) the French coach taking out Henry and Ribery, his best attacking options when the team most needed them. Tired my foot. This the World Cup finals, if you can't play 90 min regulation time + 30 min overtime @ full speed, you don't belong on the field. Also, Zidane's reputation is permanently tarnished, not because of the head-butt(that was a nice move, artistic and everything), but because of what was at stake and the loss he was partially responsible for. His only chance at redemption lies in Euro '08 and that France wins. Jordan won the last of his 6 rings at age 36, same age he'll be in '08. Go get'em, Z.

And when did Max'ed Siyaad Barre 'ban' the xijaab? When did he 'discourage' or outright 'ban' the salaada? And 'ridicule the religion,' how? I could basically write an entire book detailing how the Barre regime lead a campaign eradicating Islam from Somali life. The evidence is that damning. It's not even on a 'did he/or did he not' level. I'm suprised that you, an obviously astute observer of the Somali political scene, would dispute that. A few points to ponder on: * First-hand accounts of girls getting kicked out of Lafoole University for wearing the hijab. I hope you'll agree with me that the hijab was actively combated by goverment agents from the infamous 'Orientation' centers where Barre tried(and fairly succeeded) to brainwash the people with Guulwade cultism and Socialist/Communist BS. Any girl brave enough to don the hijab was branded a 'crazy Iqwaani' or even worse a prostitute. Need I say more ? * Salaad was discouraged or outright banned in the military. You could not make your 5 prayers and not be persecuted, again, as a crazy Aqawaan. To move up in the ranks, you'd have to be the perfect example of a young Siyadist: Enlightened, beer-swilling, Lenin-quoting secular soldier. Again, this information is well-known by speaking to anybody who went through Xalane and the military. On the civillian front, NSS agents would tail and target people known to frequent the masaajid. You'd be on the goverment watch list for displaying any religous sentiment. He may have ordered the killing of 11 wadaado, but the fact was compared to other cult-accumulating dictators of his time, his was a moderate and mild, considering he never actually had that classical, true definition of 'demigod' totalitarian. It'd be a smart move for any dictator tryna develop a personality cult to learn from Barre, cuz he was the master of the art of mental manipulation. Giant posters of him, Marx, and Lenin on Main Street, Mogadisho. Little booklets of his 'wisdom' being indoctrinated to kids in grade school and in orientation centers nationwide. At times, Barre-man out-Turked Attaturk himself ! You just gotta give the devil his due. He was nice with it. As the Arabic proverb goes "Kulu mamnooc marghoob"(all that is forbidden becomes desirable), Barre's anti-Islamic tactics backfired on him with the youth taking up Islam's cause and going abroad to study. Who are these crazy aqwaanis they speak of, lemme check'em out ! The generation of kids he tried to indocrtinate with Scientific Socialist Siyadism are now running Moga and much of the country on a Sharia-cures-all platform. How's that for irony coming back to to bite you in the kulu

I don't think Barre's fight was against the traditional apolitical Sufi sect of Islam which was prevalent back then, simply because they posed no threat to him or the governing institutions. What caused Barre's violent backlash against Islam was the Islamic revival that was sweeping across Muslim lands in the 60's and 70's. This posed a direct challenge to secular dictators because the bottom line was: All power, authority, and legitimacy belongs to Allah(SWT) and stems from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Barre couldn't stomach that. Compromise on anything but power. So he took a page out of Attaturk's book and decided to uproot Islam from the lives of the people: Ban the hijab. Discourage/ban prayer. Introduce a cult system where the dictator is subtly worshipped as a demigod. Riducle religion as an archaic relic of the Middle Ages. Well, today Islamic Courts reign supreme in the same city where Barre executed the 11 scholars. And there are signs of an Islamic revival across the globe. The Muslim Brotherhood's slogan rings true: Islam is the Solution

Xiin, Wiil labaatan kowsaday adduun waa lagdamayaane Haddaan anigu lawfari aqiin haatan lawlabaye Lixdan labiyo toban baan kormaray waana la hubaaye Could you explain these particular lines and how they relate to the gabay in general. I only got the reference to the 21 year old who wrestles with the world(or is it will come into conflict with the world ?). Jazaks

As long as there is a theological difference (I am not talking about Furuucul Islam here) the potential for a teeth bloody show down is not far away Brothaman, you mind tellin us what 'theological difference' there is between those you call Tabligs, Salafis, and heavy-duty Salafis ( made that up ) ? Remember, key word is theology. I tell you there's none. They're Ahlus Sunnah mainstream Muslims. All of them. Without one iota of difference in Aqeedah. The fact that Salafis consider beard-growing waajib and Tabliqs encourage khurooj doesn't really constitute a 'theological' difference, does it now ? Now, I agree with most of your analysis, it's just the unfounded fears that hold no water that I disagree with. Somalia is not Afghanistan and Mogadisho is sure as heck not Kabul. I'd say the biggest threat now facing the courts is Ethiopian intervention to prop up A/Y's goverment. That would be reminiscent of the Afghan experience and many years of bloody civil war.