: Yeah, it uh kinda backfired. Plus, technically speaking, you were petting the lion. Wasn't no San-taabasho. Beenta yaa laga gadaa. : Leopard Stick-ku-taabtay is more like it. And, he's still at it: Duqa, quit while ur ahead. Let's just agree the name is more of a honorary title than any actual taabasho'ing that took place.

An enemy combatant is an enemy combatant,they deserve NO respect. Amen to that, brother. They(dhabo-dhilifs) are indeed the lowest of the low. But if we are to wage an resistance based on Islamic principles, we must diffrentiate ourselves from the qaat-chewing, non-praying traitor enemy. Islam is quite clear on this matter. That said, That policeman and any other members of the TFG have to understand the fact that they are legitimate targets. By putting on a uniform, you are declaring your allegiance to that entity. In this case, to the TFG and by extension, Meles Zenawi. Marka, "he was just a poor policeman" is a false cry.

TFG-ga aan uu soo laabano, ayaantaan waa isla joogna. I say start with the Ulumaa-selling warlords without portfolio. Hypocrites, as the saying goes, are the first to die.

Will Iraq style Insurgency be the ultimate option that will deliver a lasting solution for Somalia It's the only option on the table. Insurgency, yes. Iraq-style, no. None of that car-bombs in city markets for us. Inshallah, we gon do it Somali-style, short-term tactics with long-term results. We in this for the long haul. Let history record that a few chosen men stood up against the Taghoots and traitors. Never been more proud of being a Somali. Sayyid-ka, Your legacy lives on, abti. Same way you battled gaalo-raac tribal figures. Same way you got bombed from the sky, when they could not face you on ground. 100 years later and we're still battling the same enemies, still fighting the good fight: Somali traitors and munaafiqs. Ethiopian Christians. Colonial superpowers. 100 years from today, we'll still be in the fray if we have to. The torch of Islam has been lit in the Horn of Africa and there is no extinguishing it while thoroughbreds live and while thoroughbreds breed.

A Few Words in Defense of Our Country By Randy Newman I’d like to say a few words In defense of our country Whose people aren’t bad nor are they mean Now the leaders we have While they’re the worst that we’ve had Are hardly the worst this poor world has seen Let’s turn history’s pages, shall we? Take the Caesars for example Why within the first few of them They had split Gaul into three parts Fed the Christians to the lions And burned down the City And one of ’em Appointed his own horse Consul of the Empire That’s like vice president or something That’s not a very good example, is it? But wait, here’s one, the Spanish Inquisition They put people in a terrible position I don’t even like to think about it Well, sometimes I like to think about it Just a few words in defense of our country Whose time at the top Could be coming to an end Now we don’t want their love And respect at this point is pretty much out of the question But in times like these We sure could use a friend Hitler. Stalin. Men who need no introduction King Leopold of Belgium. That’s right. Everyone thinks he’s so great Well he owned The Congo He tore it up too He took the diamonds, he took the gold He took the silver Know what he left them with? Malaria A president once said, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” Now it seems like we’re supposed to be afraid It’s patriotic in fact and color coded And what are we supposed to be afraid of? Why, of being afraid That’s what terror means, doesn’t it? That’s what it used to mean The end of an empire is messy at best And this empire is ending Like all the rest Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea We’re adrift in the land of the brave And the home of the free Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Source

The level of pretentiousness on this thread is stupefying. Apart from congratulating the good sister on sticking to her Islamic principles(when so many of us just go with the flow), how is this an issue that merits a must discussion ? Do not thousands of female Muslim doctors diagnose, treat, and operate on male patients ?(Yeah, there is a wee bit of physical contact involved) Is there not a precedent for Muslim women to actually fight side-by-side with Muslim men on the battlefield when need be. Where is it written that women can't walk a beat without a Muhram or are we making up Shariah laws on the go ? It's one thing to put forth the arguement that some police duties are dangerous for all females, but to single out Muslim women is presposterous. What's next ? They're not allowed to give birth if the mid-wife is a male ? The sister deserves and gets mad props for doing what most of us(at least myself) can't do, refuse a handshake in a highly formal setting. Question for the Nitpickers: How many of you own homes or plan to ? And ummm, just how exactly were you planning to finance that dream home of yours ? What ? Did I hear the magical M-word ? Did somebody say Riba-tastical Mortgage. I see light-bulbs turning on. That's an issue worthy of discussion. Not "how dare she embarass us by taking a job protecting her community like she should" The siste needs to get out and start looking for alternative jobs inshallah! Allaah will grant her accomdation/a living when she gives up her job for the sake of her religion! Since A/Y is Ameerul-Mu'meneen, why don't you make Hijrah back to Somalia. Surely you can find a 'accomdation/a living' there too. Fortunately, Fake-itis has no cure.

^ Qalad baa uu fahantay. I think my last line threw you off. My apologies. And no, the Politics section didn't b!tchify(ouch) me, events on the ground did. Any person who supports the TFG, good intentions or not, is in bed with Munaafiqs, Kaafirs and Amxaars(MKA). No need to pull punches. Tell it like it is.

Amxaar-Lover Yoonis, Don't you think your sudden-chivalrous turn would be better directed at your sisters under occupation ? Munaafiq Kaafir Amxaar are the first three words that came to my mind based on your record here on SOL. Not having enough evidence, I can't call you that. But you sure come off as one helluva Munaafiq Kaafir Amxaar Luvin' traitor. That's all, MKA.

Val, first off, I didn't call him that. I insinuated. Your cyber-boyfriend was always harping about reading comprehension. See camal, sisterada ? Anyway, I did suggest there's a L missing, afterwhich the name would change to Munaafiq Kaafir Amxaar Lover. Which explains a lot, don'cha think ? I'm weel fiican oo shax shax eh. No edab darro. Aw Yoonis, So what does MKA really mean ? I was just making an educated guess.

Munaafiq Kaafir Amxaar MKA. Coincidence ? Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just sayin Sometimes the stars(letters) just align right. Might be a missing initial L for Lover at the end. Ismun calaa Mus'amaa strikes again.

According to some local sheikhs, the Islamic Courts were constitued of many non-salafis (takfirs, khawaarijs, ikhwaaniins or muslim brotherhood influences, sufis ect ect) members and this ultimately led to their demise as Allah don't guide bid'a followers towards success; this was the fundamental danger First of all, don't hijack the beautiful name of Al-Salafiyyah. The Islamic Courts are more Salafiyah and more inline with Ahlus-Sunnah than those Salafi-isku sheegs that kowtow to midget Munaafiqs and criticise men who work for Islam with their time, money, and lives. Salafiyyah simply means ascribing to the Kitaab, Sunnah, and the precedence of the Salaf. Another name for a Salafi is, I'm sure you've heard of it, a Muslim. No more, no less. Salafiyyah does not mean blind following of a certain scholar or throwing the b-word(Bid'ee) anytime somebody disagrees with you on an issue. That causes division, division causes weakness. And the weak get crushed. I'm not saying the Courts were flawless, but you need to come up with something better than Non-Salafism as a reason. To sum it up, the Courts were rather misguided in their overwhelming majority due to their corrupt Aqeedah or creed (although still infinitely better than secularist warlords and other qabil worshippers opportunits), thus their very unity would have been seriously challenged have they won. What's wrong with their Aqeedah ? That's a very serious charge to throw out without any support. Just because they don't suscribe to Mr. Rabee "If you disagree with me, you're a Bid'ee/Innovator" Al-Madkhalee's school of thought, does not make their Aqeedah corrupt. Come up with some verifiable substance. By the way, what is his view on what's going on Somalia ? Ask'em boys over at Troid, willya nevertheless, the moral remain the same: indeed, nothing can replace laborious and sustained Da'wa efforts however long it takes True say. And we must keep trying. Mistakes will be made. Setbacks will occur. Persecution and oppression are only one of the milestones on this road. We just gotta keep doin our thing and not fall in the trap of divisive in-fighting. Xiin, The situation is complex and the atmosphere is foggy. I'm gettin various takes on what went wrong and who did what and what caused the collapse. Some people are swearing that a massive betrayal took place among the ranks of the Courts. Some people are adamant that Indhocade was bought and paid for and that the whole coming over to the Courts side was a part of the plan. Reports from the battlefield indicate that the war effort was shabby and unorganised. There were no logistics to speak of. A question mark also arises on the conduct of the leadership of the Courts leading up to the war. Where were they ? There was definitely some level of discord but how far-reaching was it ? Question after su'aal aa taagaan. At this point, I think it's still too early to discern Beenale-News from what really happened but we wait and see. More on this when I get reliable feedback, inshallah

It's a given to me, but if you want to see it writing, of course I condemn any attacks on any civilian anywhere in Somalia, or the world for that matter. If you remember, I congratulated the ICU for conducting a military operation outside of civilian areas. The people who will bear the brunt of this war will be women, children, the elderly, and the weak and may Allah(SWT) ease their suffering. Unlike many here, I don't differentiate between the suffering of my people(read: all Somalis for y'all tribalists). On to your very elusive post. Gotta give it to you, man. You're good. It was very simple: All you had to do was condemn the Etho bombing undertaken with TFG support, and you gave a great diplomatic non-answer. I can do that too. War is bad. Peace is good. People shouldn't fight. Lord help us all. Amen. That sums up your post. I'm looking for an absolute condemnation of the Etho aggression and airstrikes("they got foreign troops so do we", will be thrown out) without any qualifications(they shelled Baido too). Intaas lee halagaa helo.

The only thing I would say, however, is please do not accuse me of supporting bombardment of innocent people who do not deserve the fate brought to them by political opportunists within the ICU. There you go again. It's all the ICU's fault. Heh. Can you not get in that Hiirale-luvin' skull of yours that it's the freakin' Ethos that are carrying out the bombings, under commission of the TFG ? Xabash Duke couldn't answer a simple single question tonight and dodged and danced like a NFL quarterback. Let's see if you're any better. 1) Will you categorically denounce and condemn the bombings, those who carried it out(Ethos), and those on who's behalf(TFG) Somali cities and towns were bombed for the first time since colonial era ? 2) Will you categorically denounce and condemn anybody who doesn't condemn the bombings, or trys to provide an explanation for it. As plain as it can be. Your work is cut out for you.

^^ I do hope for you. Tawbad is always open 24/7, but you've done irreparable damage to your reputation tonight. Thank God this is a anonymous forum. The brazen indignity you've displayed would've followed you the rest of your life.

^^ lol@Elias Redman, Here's what a quick Google search turned up. "Who is Elias Redman? He is Sheik Elias Redman who was one of the two judges out of eight on the Commission of Inquiry who voted no—essentially supporting that the EPRDF government of Meles did not use excessive violence during the peaceful student rally protesting the outcome of the national election of 2005 where 193 unarmed Ethiopians were shot dead by EPRDF security forces. Others on the Commission, like Judge Woldemichael Meshesha, Judge Frehiwot Samuel and Ato Mituku Teshome, had to flee for their lives into exile for following their consciences and voting for truth. Sheik Redman and Dr. Mekonnen Disasa were the only two who supported Meles. Why should he be believed now as he has turned his back on the Ethiopian people? How can a religious leader lead when he is allegedly under the control of the government? This can happen in any faith and with any leaders willing to compromise their beliefs out of fear or for other unknown reasons" source You wanna tell us a Ethiopian stooge and Meles Zenawi's scholar-for-hire is a sheik whose views hold weight ?

^^ Well. To put it bluntly: You're a ******. You're a human(oid) of course....but you display ****** characteristics(willing to wallow in mud to eat, lack of shame,...you know...a pig). Hence, the Oink Oink, Hog-Afrique _____________ Emotions are still high, I know, I know, but hala kala roonaado, baliis [ December 25, 2006, 05:44 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

As you well know, I do not have a habit of responding to cheap talk. You don't have to talk. You could: Oink, Oink and roll around in Etho mud.

Hog-Afrique, As Alle-u-Baahne said, athiga and Duke wexeena waa dhuli dhuli dhaaftay. Unless a tawbad keenteen, and even if you do, you will forever be remembered on this board as the traitors who gloated the day Somali cvillians were bombed by Etho warplanes. Ha kuu macaanaato. Castro's khanzeer description is very very fitting.

lol somalideed are now champinioning cause of somaliwayne? tell your regime to release the wadaads in jails, then u can talk about islam and jihad Khalaf bro, These are the times that reveal men's true character. Internal politics be damned. The minute a f'ing Xabashi stepped on Somali soil to prop up a government with no support from the people or even itself(mass defections from the parliment), was when we should all have rallied to the side of ICU, regardless of politiking and views and issues.. As a example, I give you two men. Suldaanka and HornAfrique, on opposite sides of the political spectrum as two men can be. Now Suldaanka could've sat back and watch the South get torn to shreds. After all, It's not his reigon that's getting bombarded. Just like many sick-minded nomads on this forum, he could've played the tribal game and let the Ethos deal with the ICU, a potential political threat. But he didn't. This is what he did. Call that Ragganimo. Call that Islamnimo. Call that Respect, Honour, and Dignity. Macalinkaan kale aa kuu soo haray, who supposedly shares the same political views as me, Flip-flopperAfrique. What's the best word to sum his position up ? Shame ? Disgrace ? Dhuli ? I don't know, but he's a testament to how low men can fall and to what depths they will stoop to when tribal allegiance takes over their morals and values. I repeat: Now is NOT the time to point fingers, cast doubts or aspersions on the on-going jihad. Let's kick the Ethos out first, then aan isku soo laabano.

ICU had failed. The let us down. ICU is responsible of the death of hundreds of somalis including children as they started and inititiated this war. People like Indhacade and his close associates should be brought to justice in the future IA. Tragedy Walaahi! Crocodile tears naga kale yareey my Ethiopian collaboratin' brother(oxymoron ? can one be an Etho-butt kisser and, at the same time, Kashafa's brother ?). At a time when Etho Mig-21's are bombarding Somali civillian areas, all you manage to do is feebly point fingers at the ICU. I won't even get started with Adeer Hiraale and Kismayo and allat good stuff. Just don't shed any fake tears when on the inside you're bubbling with joy at the prospect of Etho tanks, armour, and airplanes. Woooooo-hooooooooo. Saddle up, boys. Get the camels ready. We going back to Kismayo and Mogadisho and Marka Cadey and Afgooye. Yyyeaaaaggggggghhhhhhhhhh Well, my erst-while akhi...let me take you back to the Battle of Uhud and see what lessons we can glean from our rich Islamic history. Scene starts. Says Abu Sufyaan, leader of the Qurayshi army, to the out-numbered Muslims who retreated to a nearby mountain: Ac'la Hubul(an Qurayshi idol) / May Hubul be on top(like glorified) Prophet(PBUH): Alaa tujeeboonahu/Shall you not reply to him. Companions: Famaa naqool / What shall we say ? Prophet: Qooloo Allahu(SWT) Ac'laa wa Ajal/ Tell him: Allah is greater and more majestic Says Abu Sufyan to that: Lanaa Cu'zaa(another Qurayshi idol) walaa Cu'zaa lakum/ We have Cu'zaa and there is no Cu'zaa for you. Prophet again asks: Alaa tujeeboonahu/ Shall you not reply to him Companions: Famaa naqool / What shall we say Prophet: Qooloo Allahu Mawlanaa walaa Mawlaa lakum / Tell him Allah is our Mawlaa(Protecter) and you have not a Mawlaa. Then Abu Sufyaan says: Youm biyoum Badr...Al-Xarbu sijaal / Today for the day of Badr, our war is equal now Omar replies back with: Laa sawaa qatlaanaa fil jannah wa qatlaakum fil naar / It's not equal. Our dead are in Heaven and your dead are in Hell. So, homey, you and the TFG can keep your Hubul(tribalism) and keep your Cu'zaa(Etho invaders) and all the other idols you worship, cuz we got our Mawlaa............. walaa mawlaaa lakum

^^ Allahuma Ameen. Faaza wa Rabul Kacba. Our very own Muscab bin Cumair. ilal firdous al-ac'laa, inshallah. Rahima, Could you tell us a little bit more about the shaheed ? I heard he was a young doctor who went to treat the wounded mujahideen on the frontlines ?

^^ Oh I get it now. Thanks for the info. LG, Wiilo broke it down. I think he's a contributing editor with Hiiran Online, and not the main-man editor. I guess MSNBC was interviewing him in his capacity as a Minnesota Moniter report who was covering the Kieth Ellison story. Brown, we need more media-savvy 'Malis in the public arena, man. In the next few days, if the war back home gets any bigger, you can be sure that it'll get mucho attention from the media. Somebody has to do the talking and explaining and pontificating ! lol. lol@"They are here". Aideed Jr. is trippin'.

lol.......u think u are joining jihad , falistine is fighting too who got a ticket to jannah hamas or fatah? ....waraa go to to hergeysa build orphanage home, masjid, ect sxb.......this aint no jihad this is a joke all politics.... if this was is islam there should been a shura between all of um (men from all over somalia) vote for leadership combine all the forces (clans) and give Bay’ah You're dead wrong, my brother. If there ever was a jihad, this is it. This is exactly like the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Just like now, the Afghans divided into two groups: The Mujahideen(read: Islamic Courts and vast majority of the Somali ppl), and the purported government of Afghanistan(the TFG) led by a Communist lackey(read: A/Y). Here's the kicker: while the Mujahideen were fighting against the Russians for those 8 years, there still was a Afghan government led by a dude who claims to be a Muslim called Mohamed Najibullah. So I guess that wasn't jihad either, yaah ? All politics and using Islam to gain power since there wasn't a bay'ah and concensus by every single Afghan from every single Afghani ethnic group to fight the Russians ? Do you see where I'm going with this ? I know you don't believe your own argument, sxb. It's that transparent. what jihad when they are separated into courts based on clan still lol. Convenient excuse, eh. Sxb, hadal bathan maloo baahno. Straws have been drawn and war has started. You either support the TFG, A/Y and by extension, Christian Ethos, or you support the Islamic Courts. Take a stand. Who you with ? I don't care if all the clans of Somalis united with the Ethos against one small tuulo(village) who is upholding "Laa ilaaha ila Allah", that tiny tuulo would have my unequivocal support. They are defending the looted properties man, nothing else. The fight is to keep Xaji IndaCade's stolen farms in his hand nothing else. Ladies and Gents, Al-Dukestar has, in a nutshell, defined the entire basis of the ICU's existence: They are there solely(notice the use of 'nothing else') to protect stolen farms and looted property. Yeah. That's why the kicked out the warlords. That's why they've implemented Shariah law. And that's why they're now waging jihad. Simply to protect stolen farms and houses. :cool: Brilliant analysis. For those of you waxing lyrical and getting all teary-eyed over the manly character and "good o' chap"ness of Duke, Can you now see why he has zero credibility ? I mean, be fair and objective. Mention his good qualities(affable, genial, gentleman) and bad qualities(complete lack of rationality, tribal zeal, wont to peddle in outright fabrications like his gem above) too. LOL.

^^Not clear a stand enough, yaa Baashi. I guess what me and others are looking for is for you to pick a side in this conflict and explain why you support it. That side might not be perfect, it might be going about things the wrong way, but you can't circle around the fray and not commit to the success of one side and the defeat of the other. If your stand is both sides are at fault in engaging in a disastrous, senseless war that will have horrible ramifications on the civillian populace, Which side is less wrong ? Which side, although flawed in your opinion, has the best chance of saving Somalia from perpetual civil war ? Who do you want to see on top ? Questions, that must be answered, homes. You and Ngogne are doing a pretty good job of analysing the dire situation back home and showing alternative points of view. That's great but as me said, now isn't the time for academic exercises, you must....must...commit. The stakes are just too high. More on that, and why I support the ICU, and earlier Q's later.

Don't use " you are tribalist " sound bite as substitute for an argument as some our friends here have convienently milked that cow to death Am I reading this right ? Seems to me that you're downplaying the power of tribalism. See, I know that it ruins a good vigorous arguement because it cuts to the chase mighty fast, but that's the raw truth and everybody knows it. I'm not saying that everybody debating on the SOL politics section is affected by tribe in their positions, but I submit to you that a good number of nomads on this board are moved primarily by tribal passion. And no arguement, no matter how well-crafted, will sway them from their prejudice. It might not be pretty but "you're a tribalist" is too real. I wish it wasn't.