LOL@allmudug.org. "Kooxaha rabshada wado" ? Are we talking about 5 year olds doing rabsho ? Also, why no mention of the Tikray soldiers killed, dragged, and burnt ? Or was it Yey, Marine Sgt. Aideed, and Hiraale leading the TFG militia alone ? At least try to pose a semblance of authenticity and post a article from a mainstream site like Hiiraan.

No problem. All of us Somalis can have a big pow-wow session as soon as the Ethos leave or are escorted out. As long as Islam is the law of the land, I'm even down for moving the Capital to Hargeisa, Bosaaso, or any other city large enough to function as a magaalo madax. Show of hands ?

The Amxaar-luvvin Economist is futilely tryna link the ICU to the dragging and burning of the Tikrey soldiers. As a charter member of Duke's Delusional Retirement Home, he wants to believe that Xamar is coming along nicely and it's those terrorists that are causing problems to our ahem cough ahhh guests. Tee-hee. Reality Check: The ICU sure did the killing part, but it was the shacab that did the burning part, giving vent to the frustration they're feeling over this occupation. Notice his tears here at the injury to an Tikrey soldier responsible for atrocities commited against Somali civillians and his nonchalant dismissal of the tragedy that happened to Sister Suuban. And you want us to sit down at a table with this dirt ? Keep on bending over for the Tikreys, Economist. Your anguish now make sense. Suga Daddy got whacked. My condolences.

^^ I don't think it'll be forthcoming from them folks, so here's mine: Allahu Akbar Hunguri, if you're tryna accuse Northerner of tribalism because he's happy, as every Somali should be, about jabka ku dhacay the occupation, you're playing a weak game. Duke tried that card and failed miserably.

To all the mourning TFG hacks in this thread, Where were those tears when Suuban Maalin Ali Hassan, 37 year old mother of 8, was raped? You called it a PR stunt, eh. Worse yet, condoned it by your silence. Deafening, all-telling silence. Disgusting. STFU, as you will have more to cry about in the coming few days. Our position in this matter is clear: No Muslim condones the mutilation of ANY dead body. Muslim, non-Muslim. Xabashi, non-Xabashi. Even the mutilation of the Black Hawk down pilot was 100% wrong. Blind as you are, try to gain some perspective from this incident about what you’re up against. It was crowds of people who dragged and burnt the corpses of the Tikrey soldier and the dhabo-dhilif dude. Crowds = civilians, everyday men and women. Think about that.

Cara and Cambarro, How do you reconcile your violence-doesn't-work position with this uncontestable truth spoken by A.u.B It was violence that subdued the warlords in Mogadishu who prompted to howl the populations for 16 years. That was a voilence geared towards one goal, which is to bring about peace and unity, and to our surprises, we gained Or did these warlords(who strangely also make up the the bulk of the TFG) dismantle their 'tax' roadblocks, stop their reign of oppresion and death through dialogue and a exchange of ideas ? Remember carefully, that even tho they were 'elected' in that sham party in Nairobi as Ministers of the TFG, they were the ones obstructing peace and stability. Violence turned them into the docile toothless characters they are today. You do have a point, there's gotta be a method, a strategy, a leadership and collective effort for the resistance, but let us not forgot that we are in the beginning stages of the Muqaawama right now. Mistakes will be made, sadly, there will be casualities. But in principle, in concept, there is unanimous accord(ok, close to unanimous): The invaders must leave or be forced out. How ? Where ? By whom ? All kinks to be worked out. Be patient. There comes a point and time where dialogue and hathal have nothing to offer except prolonging the inevitable. Btw, I'm just wondering how exactly does a reconcillation take place when you're staring at the business end of a T-50 tank.

Shabelle reporters who went to the area where that fighting was happening reported that they saw seven government soldiers who were wounded and captured by the insurgents Can I get a takbeeeeeeeeeeeeer ? Allahu Akbar Several bodies of Ethiopian and government troops were thrown at roads of hawlwadag, Bar Ubah and Shirlole neighborhoods as crowds of Somalis began dragging them to the ground And these delusional hacks say Xamar is under control. I disagree with the dragging part(grudgingly, of course, wrong is wrong, luvvin the killing part tho), but can the blind see the sheer hatred and fury on display against every Tigrey invader and his TFG dhabo-dhilif ? No respite even in death; more telling, this replay of Black Hawk down coming from the supposed constituents of said fake government. Try your damnest to wish reality away, you'll still wake up to it every morning.

He dwells in the past as his children scream for his attention they make the streets their home no daddy to stop them, no male role model as he relives yesterday he misses today for tomorrow will come with memories of whats gone Very poignant. Living in the past sums it up too well. Great piece you have here, nervous chic

What's irking them is the fact that they went to war on xaniinyo laga soo baryay Xabashta. Deep down inside, they feel emasculated by Yey's political prostitution. They themselves readily acknowledge that the TFG militia were no match for the Thoroughbreds of the Islamic Courts of Somalia, hence the "Zenaawi-yow naga soo gaar, ina adeer". It is the mark of the coward to crow about a victory gained through baryo and sellin out, marka sii fiican oo qosol, waala isku dambeeyaa. There will be a due reckoning, inshallah. Xalane, Nobody sent those men to the battlefield. There was no forced conscription or draft like you have in tribal militias. These Gs marched valiantly even with minimal training and a lack of weaponry because what was at stake was too dear and too crucial. Not that I expect you to understand those concepts. Only way you and your kind would fight is under the protection and patronage of other men, effectively borrowing their balls. But you would call it something like: Tactical Synergetic Alliance Sent them to their deaths ? More like ran to martyrdom on their own accord. Maanta raggas yaa ka nasiib badan ? Again, wouldn't expect you to understand, marka maca leesh.

How about supporting the TFG for now. Wait for the remaining 2 years and change within. This way, the ethiopians would have no reason to stay and people will have a say by way of election. But these 2 years, lets use it to stabalise the country. Is this vaible No, it's not. In the name of saving innocent civilians, you would legitimize this Tikrey occupation, you'd be ok with the fact that Xabashis were welcomed into Somalia by the lowest of the low: Macsharal Dhabo-Dhilifs, you would roll back years of Islamic growth in our society thanks to a secular pro-western dawlad-isku sheeg composed of men who have sold their honour, their dignity a loooooooooong time ago for a shot at power* (Yey, Buuba, Hiraale, Aideed Jr, and a heck lot more), you would continue the practice of handing over our scholars to the CIA, selling them 100,000 bucks per head like cattle, you would entrench the Qabil in our society with the istubidhly pathetic fowr-boint-fife formula that will only add to division n' hatred along tribal lines, you would watch Ethiopia become our best friend and ally due it's heroic intervention at the hour of need, see it gain all the concessions Yey and his cohorts can sign away: drilling rights, port usage, revoke all claims on Kilinka Shanaad, you would do all that with a straight face and a clean conscience in the name of peace and stability ? No thanks, sis. Innocent civilians have been killed, raped, expelled from their homes, humiliated in front of their families, persecuted as weak unarmed minorities, primarily in the name of Qabil, over the past 30 years. The men who make up the TFG were the architects of said tribal strife. And you ask, is it viable to support such men? Heck to the no. I see one force that's able to tame that beast responsible for all that disaster and that force is called Islam and the application of Islamic Sharia. I'm glad that you see through the TFGs transparent veil of fakery, even the hacks supporting it know and see it. But they won't admit to it. Small matter of reppin' the tolka, see. "Go on ahead Uncle(insert warlord name), the heel of the Amxaars boot is kinda heavy and too dirty, but we'll keep on lickin' it as long as you, and by extension us can maintain our grip on power" I throw the question back to you, do you see any other alternative besides surrender? Because with surrender comes the status quo of tribal strife, as well as foreign hegemony, which would result in the deaths of the innocents you were avoiding. Death by a thousand mosquito bites till it all collapses and another Somali dictator is chased away from Villa Somalia by disgruntled tribal groups led by power-hungry generals and colonels. Humpty Dumpty is broken and all the kings men and horses won't put him back together without real Islam, not that fake-me-out watered down version of wadaads-belong-in-mosques. It worked in the hell-hole called Moga, it will work for the rest of Somalia. The fight for Somalia's future is happening right now. Shortcuts will only bring disasterous reruns. *= Pop Quiz. Who said: "Ina adeeryaalow, hal marlee kursiga igu fadheesiya" 20,30 years ago, Guulwade Jalle Siad Barre also had a collection of fellow dhabo-dhilifs fawning all over him with shameless servitude. Ditto Aideed. Ditto Name-your-warlord. One Dhabo-dhilif follows another.

^ Duck before they call you a Wahhabi Clown Court Fascist Terrorist

Ana Juwa and Geel-Jire, You're kinda new to the politics section, but you'll come to find out that these TFG hacks will follow Yeey, Hiraale, Geedi, Aideed Jr, all the way to the gates of hell without blinking. Solely in the name of Qabil. Some are subtle about it, others do some crazy acrobatics playing it both sides(Xaq & Baatil), while others are refreshingly upfront about their inferiorty/superiority complex(also known as the Qabil factor). Do you know their entire beef with the Courts ? None other than "How come we weren't represented" Thats what it boils down to. If the courts managed to turn southern Somalia into Singapore, they still woulda been sitting on the sidelines yelling "Ïndocade, Indocade, Indocade" like a broken record. Pay them no mind. This is what a Qabilist upbringing does: turn grown men into mindless partisan hacks. Another reason we should teach our kids to have allegiance to Islam and Islam only

Baashi, Not only is it a hopeless gathering, but from what I hear, it also is gonna function as a madaafiic and hobyo target practice. Simply put, there can be no talk whatsoever of reconciliation while Etho boots still reign supreme on Somali soil. Maxaa laga hadlaa ? To sit down and talk means to legitimize the Tikrey occupation. Furthermore, there is no pretense of independence here. The Tikrey boys have A/Y and the TFG by the balls. All they need to do in order to enforce their agenda is to squeeze slightly. Do you honestly think there remains one brave soul who will freely speak his mind against Ethiopian interests at the conference ? Let's get real. This conference is by no means a pan-Somali effort. It is a naked power play designed to repair the shredded credibility of the TFG while justifying the Etho presence: something that this an anathema to any true Somali. Those who plan to attend this conference should also write their wills, say their last goodbyes, and buy their kafans. It ain't gon be pretty.

I am no supporter of any of the major powers in Somalia, because I am truly disillusioned by them and I am only hoping for a strong government that cares about its people Code phrase for TFG supporter ? kidding. We got a few nomads like that who do backflips in order to 'maintain neutrality'. No such thing exists. The stakes are too high for disillusionment. Lemme phrase the Q differently: Which group are you currently leaning towards ? Welcome to the politics section, if you hate the Ethos as much as I do

Awlugeeye, the 300 did not defeat Xerxes, so I guess no one would predict that 300 ICU soldiers (not exactly Spartan discipline or conditioning either) could've taken on Ethiopia and won Actually, the 300 Spartans did defeat the "shoot so many arrows, we will blot out the sun" Persian army, if you look at victory and defeat in the strategic long term sense. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army offered Athens the invaluable time to prepare for a decisive naval battle that would come to determine the outcome of the war. The subsequent Greek victory at the Battle of Salamis left much of the Persian Empire's navy destroyed and Xerxes I was forced to retreat back to Asia, leaving his army in Greece under Mardonius, who was to meet the Greeks in battle one last time. The Spartans assembled at full strength and led a pan-Greek army that defeated the Persians decisively at the Battle of Plataea, ending the Greco-Persian War and with it Persian Empire expansion into Europe. Point being, initial setback or even en masse slaughter does not always spell defeat. You're right, sometimes men have to die, in order to inspire others to take up the fight. If what you're fighting for is worthy; a stand, impossible or not, must be taken so that both history and your people will witness your sacrifice and be inspired to resist, to revolt, to bring your vision to reality. It's not even about inspiration, more like an obligation. Who are you to wilt under oppression when your peers gave up their lives ? Also, Sparta vs Persia is a pretty good analogy of the recent ICU vs Tikrey-TFG battles. - Just like the Greeks went on, after an initial setback, to defeat Xerxes and the traitorous lackeys that he bought off , I have no doubt that the Islamic-minded Somalis will eventually expel the Tikrey-TFG pro-western secular alliance. Notice the stark difference in thought and idealogy. - The 300 were up against a superior war machine: manpower, elephants(modern day tanks), and most crucially: information(satellite imagery). -Just like the Spartans, the ICU were betrayed by defectors from their own ranks, some senior commanders. Fiction or not, and ignoring how the movie depicts Aryan white men slaughtering brown men by the thousands, there's alot to be learned from 300(the movie). Umm, except this factoid so conviently skipped by the moviemakers, cuz, hamdulilah, Middle America still has some traditional* values left: The Spartans were flaming homosexuals Barf. :eek: *=Fitrah

There's no nightmare in Darfur; it's minor problems that have been magnified by the West. I gotta call you out on that one, akh. Atrocity after atrocity has been committed by the Sudanese goverment(who aren't applying Islamic law nor care for it's principles, these are naked army men) and it's affiliates against unarmed civillians, predominately women and children. Mass rape, for example. Unspeakable horrors have and are happening in Darfur. Let's not belittle it just to stick one to the West. Iraq, another example where many of us are in denial and blame the West. Fact of the mattter is, there are misguided Sunnis who have xalaal'ised the blood of civillians(why ? cuz they happen to be Shiites). Of course, we don't want to acknowledge this ugly fact so we saÿ "Well, it's probably the CIA/Jews/(insert any group you hate) that are behind the killing" Won't fly, akh. There are some sick-minded killers and rapists out there who claim to share our faith. I'd be happy if masterminds of the Darfur killing campaign were tried and hung from the highest tree, even at the hands of the West.

^^ You know Duke, as delusional as you are, every now and then, somebody does a good job b!tchslapping you back to reality. Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote: Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Rome was not built in a day.. What a whacky analogy. What Rome are you building might I ask? You had Rome (ICU mogadishu), destroyed it and now you claim to rebuilding it. A better analogy would tearing down the house and frantically trying to rebuild it. This is the tack this foriegn entity has taken. Your whacky analogy says a lot about how detached -- wittingly or unwittingly -- you are from reality. Since it's inception the TFG hasn't brought a single redeeming benefit to the people of Mogadishu. Or for that matter any other region. Not one thing. Their manadate was to reconcile hostile and bitterly divided Somalis, if anything they polarized Somalis courtesy of inviting 20000 ethiopian troops. New fault lines exist today as solely byproduct of TFG's treasonous acts. They haven't pacified a single region. Haven't built a single school. Nor have they fed a single starving child. Kindly tell us what they've done from 2004 till summer of 2006. True to form, you've been unable to respond to a single item SB mentioned, with substance. Your tired approach consists of throwing in the following words: Indocadde, Clan Courts, looted properties, Shabbele hoose, and thinking you've actually made a point. Sad, but only to be expected. Not even Goebbels himself could've propogand'd the Tikrey-TFG hybrid effectively. Your dedication to the TFG could possibly be admired only if it was tempered with fairness. Even that basic element is lacking. Mindless delusional dedication is what it is. And you know what happens to mindless dedication right ? This is where it leads you ----------> Goebbels remained with Hitler in Berlin to the very end, and following the Führer's suicide he served as the Third Reich's final Chancellor-albeit for one day. In his final hours he allowed his wife, Magda Goebbels, to kill their six young children with poison. Shortly after, Goebbels and his wife both committed suicide.

^^ The first cockroach crawls out his hole. Can one stoop any lower: Everything is a PR tactic. Six months of unheard of security was a PR tactic. The looted properties being returned to it's rightful owners was a PR tactic. Islamic Sharia is a PR tactic. Waging Jihad against the occupying enemy is a PR tactic. And now, this poor 37 year old mother of 8 and her husband are PR agents lying about that most awful of crimes. The only language your kind understands is the bullet, and best believe the TFG and it's allies will get their fair share in the coming few days.

May Allah's neverending curse be upon the Etho forces, the TFG, those who support the occupying enemy, and those who will excuse this atrocity as collateral or propoganda. There will be a due reckoning in this world and the next inshallah. May Allah make this tragedy easy on Sister Suuban and her family and give her Sabr and ajar. Allahuma Aameen.

^^ Says the pretender who speaks with such piety quote: Originally posted by Garaad Caanood: ICU was a murtadiin Originally posted by Garaad Caanood: MC ICU had a different religion; ICU was worse then other khawarij groups Please don't pollute the Islam section with your qashin. You came in with a halagu-maqlo one-liner, and got rightfully smacked by Xiin. Next time, come through with an assertion you actually understand and can defend. Parroting Duke's talking points does not make a strong case. Indhocade ay ku waasheen. Do you see anybody defending Indocade ? Or is he a convient excuse to support the Amxaar-led TFG. One of the weakest most pathetic arguments I keep on hearing is: "I don't support the ICU because of a few bad elements(Indocade and Co.)" To follow your amazingly illogical line of thought, the Companions shouldn't have supported the Prophet(PBUH) because he was aided in his military campaigns by the Munafiqeen community of Madeenah. Sheekadaas waxaa la dahaa throwing out the baby with the bath water. Marka sxb, try again. The Indocade exuse is too transparent. Iskonoqo and try to find out how you woke up one morning and suddenly found yourself in bed with Meles Zenawai and Abdullahi Yusuf.

^^ You didn't understand him, rudy. North is showing the irony at work here: The champions of secular Somaliweyn, who have done the unthinkable by bringing in the Tikrey boys to do the job they were too weak to do, are now gonna have to sit back and swallow the sight of an Etho-recognised SL. To add insult to their injury, they may be ordered to recognise their fellow dhab-dhilif Riyaale's government. Mission accomplished: Somalia dismembered. Secular Somaliweyn is a myth. If there's one idea that will unite(correction: has united) the Somalis scattered across East Africa, it's an Islamic state in the horn of Africa. Till then, g'luck with the various futile -isms.

marka “Somalis” used to have “dignity, sharaf, cizzo” when they were massacring ppl cause of clan affliation and gang raping muslim women? I say the so called sharaf u talk about was lost long time ago No, back then, and way before that too, "Somalis" were animals. Just like Adeer Yey, Adeer Waraabe, Adeer Barre, and Adeer Aideed, to name a few animals. Clan-worship automatically puts you on equal footing with a beast. Hence, the killing, the rape, the shelling, the bombardment, and the genocide. But Somalis all around the world had the highest level of "dignity, sharaf, and cizzo" when the ICU-'crooks' were in power. 6 months of security and stability in the hell-hole called Moga. 6 months of Sharia-in-action. 6 months of what immense change Islam can affect in a war-torn qabil-ridden society. But all of that is null and void because of a drug baron-turned ICU ally-turned CIA agent Indhocade. Gotta love that logic. I see a soul torn between his Islamic principles and clan influence. Kuwaan kale oo macsharal traitors waa garanay, they simply have no use for Islam. What's ur excuse ? I-was-expecting-Sahaba-calibre-people-and-they-weren't-perfect-enough doesn't cut it. Adeer Yey won't help you in the Hereafter, marka macalinka , don't cross over to the Dark Side. May the Salaams be with you

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: There are some humans that just don't have the capabability to comprehend beyond their tribal glasses. Isha aa ka toortay, Abu Ansaar. Back when Aideed was the flavour of the month: Aideed became the eyes they see with, ears they hear with, mouth they speak, with, and sadly the brain they think with. Back when Aabo Siyaad was in power: Siyaad became the eyes they see with, ears they hear with, mouth they speak, with, and sadly the brain they think with. And so on....ilaa man raxima rabii. One munaafiq, or a few corrupt individuals become the benchmark where tribalists judge themselves and others. Newsflash: There's a new breed of Somali out there, everywhere, growing in numbers by the minute as they study and apply Deen-ul-Islam.

^ What if tommorow said biggest traitor signs into a law a declaration recognising Somaliland as a sovereign country and dissolves the Unity Act of 19something ? Does he still remain the biggest traitor in Somali history ? Let them come. Black African Down: Didn't think it'd be a cakewalk now, didja ?

The situation prompted British colonial officials to encourage the Somalis to organize politically; the result was the first modern Somali political party, the Somali Youth Club (SYC), established in Mogadishu in 1943. To empower the new party, the British allowed the better educated police and civil servants to join it . In 1947 it renamed itself the Somali Youth League (SYL) and began to open offices not only in the two British-run Somalilands but also in Ethiopia's ****** and in the NFD of Kenya. The SYL's stated objectives were to unify all Somali territories, including the NFD and the ******; to create opportunities for universal modern education; to develop the Somali language by a standard national orthography; to safeguard Somali interests; and to oppose the restoration of Italian rule. Source To paraphrase Malcolm X when commenting on Martin Luther King's March on Washington, Where did you ever see a resistance group being formed and encouraged by the very same people they're supposed to be revolting against. I'm not very familar with that part of Somali history, but my general impression is that we didn't take our freedom, it was handed to us on a silver platter complete with instructions on how to 'join the modern world'. Compare and contrast that with how the Vietnameese drove off, first the French, then the Americans through force of arms. Good topic, Taliban. I'd like to know how effective the SYL really was. Weren't colonised countries being granted indepedence left and right during the 50s and 60s, and Somalia's turn just came ?