Very few men have done for Islam in Somalia what Xasan Dahir Aweys has done. Only a jaaxid of the worst kind would dispute that. Where ever you are, Shaykhuna Xasan, I salute you, and the rest of the thoroughbreds: Xayaakumallah wa Thabata Agdaamakum.

LOL@purposes of acquaintence. Mark Twain would have a field day on you. Just in case you're not getting the reference, his expertise was in lampooning hypocritical behaviour. Purposes of acquaintence Walee isqancis cajeeb leh aa soctho

Sharif Seylac...Warka soo daa.. Aala Aqil bin Abi Talib inna house Good one, MMA.

Wa Salaams. Ilaahay ha ku soo hanuuniyo. Ameen.

Khalaf, - This topic took 11 pages because of your refusal to answer one simple question I asked you. By the way, this is becoming a habit of yours, to not take a stand and when pinned down, to jump to other side issues(Alle-Ubaahne,etc). Please be man enough to directly answer questions you are asked. Try me, and see if I start talking about Yey's liver or Arsenal's rotten season. -You have taken the burnt bodies incident and injected in it all your neuroses and politics, and blown it way out of porportion. Myself and other could not have been more clearer in our condemnation of the burnt bodies incident. To me there is no difference between this incident and the Black Hawk Down incident, both are inhumane and plain wrong. go back a few pages where I said just exactly that, unless you selectively read what you want to hear. I also was crystal-clear about my support for the killing of the Tikrey and TFG soldiers yesterday. Unambigoues Far waa weyn for you: killing the TFG & Tikrey soldiers = right. Mutilating, burning their bodies = wrong. When I say mac sonkur, it refers to their killing, not their burning. Still wanna play it up ? "OH MY GOD, REUTERS REPORTED IT", be my guest. It's your arguement that's suffering. In short, you're banging a loud beat to hide your lack of substance. "OH MY GOD, THEY BURNT BODIES,, AGGGGHHHHHHHHH" lol, sxb, guess what, I agree with you, so why engage in theatrics ? You need to stop hanging around Sakhar, akh. -As for you wanting to debate me about the ICU, you couldn't answer a single question I asked you, nor fully address a point I made in this thread. Xiin, Northerner and others have taken your amazingly pathetic "I-support-Islamic Sharia-but-since-the-Courts-have-a-few-bad-elements-I'll-turn-around-and-support-'Odaygo'-who-just-happens-to-be-my-adeero-cough-pure-coincidence-cough-and-the-Tikrey-invaders" stance apart piece by piece and weli waa soo taagantahay ? Madness ma tiraahdaa. No thanks, going around in circles is tiring. You've put your blinders on(as it's evident in this thread) and no force on earth except your concience can change your mind-set. By the way, do you notice that you're the only one among the Tikrey appeasers thats using Islam as a basis in his argument ? Even they know how ridiculous that is. Finally, take a look at Faarax-Brown's signature. Lil food for thought. Your emperor has no clothes. Xoog maa dhar ugu gelinii ? Edit: Just saw your comment above. You've bought the farm, duqa. Now Garaad Caano is a Darawiish(mujaahid) and the men who fought the Etho tanks, who hailed from every corner of Somalia are political animals ? Please do not taint the legacy of Sayyid-ka and his thoroughbred Darawaawish with your confused muddled talk. He would disown you and your likes in a heartbeat. Bal arka wuxuu ku hadlaayo

Hunguri, You may not notice this, but hate, dark ugly hate, can be read from your posts a mile away. Keep it up and your sorry @$$ is outa here. Allow me to tell you the story of Jumatatu, a favourite example of mine. Dude used to be one of the foremost posters on the politics section. A debate happened where he became passionate and lost his cool. And showed all of SOL, the monster within. Dude basically gloated about the mass rapes and targeted killings that were happening in the early 90s in Somalia. His monkey @$$ got banned for good. With words like "barbarian mob", cannibals, don't value law and order, supported the ICU cuz the ICU was 100% from them, your post is screaming Q.A.B.L.I.I.S.T.E. and are following in his lead. Your kind(tribalists) are a dime a dozen on SOL, but they're smart enough to hide their bigotry and be subtle about. I suggest you follow their lead.

Caanood, You throw out an impressive list of labels and charges:murtadiin, deviant sects, munafiqeen which I truly think you don't understand. For example, do you think the ICU will become murtadiin and munafiqeen, just because Garaad Caanood said so ? Substantiate...I forgot, there was no reasoning to begin with. Until you educate yourself on what those terms mean and who they apply to, there is no basis of discussion nor will I respond to your talking points. @meeshan niman isku heystay. Athiga iyo 'Nimanka' kale fogaa. Mase, you think hadaa laba erey tuuratid inaa meeska ragga soo fadhiisan-kartid ? Waraa jac-tha way kugu dhacday ee marka dambe hathalka waalaga fakaraa inta la qorin.

loL@Zafir If he talks like that it will be a funny TV show Maclinka CT, Kuufi's off to you, man. This is what I'm talking about. Entrepreneurial nomads are what we need. Could you tell us a lil bit more about yourself, when you started the restraunt, any difficulties you may have faced during the start-up phase. I read somewhere that 90% of restraunts fail in their first 3 years. What has your experience been like ?

1) Did/do you support gaalo entering Muslim lands, occupying it and killing them? Yes 2) Did the TFG invite gaalo to kill Muslims? Yes 3) Is the burning of bodies wrong? Yes 4) Can you have an opinion on the burnt bodies after questions 1 & 2? NO North just about sums it up. Before any other TFG hack(supporter, I heed your call MMA ) opens his mouth, let him answer those 4 questions.

Wa-Salaams but let me answer your parting shot cuz it's plain wrong, and you know it too. When it fits ya u say TFG is represented by "ALL SOMALIS"? .......Sxb its reality again in which i speak of, u accuse TFG supporters of goin wit their "adeero" like wise icu cats are wit their adeeros, landers are with their adeeros, most are are with their adeeros, your point?....that is reality of somalia aligned along clan lines....and no, qabil is not long way from being gone again shows your naivity, i dont blame ya da qabil ubanes feed u your day dreams Sxb, I don't accuse people of anything. I hang people with their own words. Take Cousin Pi (joke, don't misinterpret) , based on his track record here on SOL, you honestly think he's wholly free from clan influence when he supports the TFG, with his touching words of communal healing ? If it looks like cat, smells like a cat, dammit, you skin it like a cat! The TFG has amongst it's leadership, who were leading the Tikray invasion, fighting side by side with them, men like Aideed Jr., Buuba, Hiraale, and Qeybdiid. How is that not representative of ALL Somalis ? and when did I ever say otherwise ? Sxb, again, you're falling into that US against THEM bull$hit. Repeat with me: There's US(all Somalis against the Tikray invasion) and them(Somalis who are willing to work with the Tikrays for whatever reasons. Also known as appeasers or dhabo-dhilifs) 'Bout high time you ignored the petty details and picked a side in this decisive conflict. As for the stranglehold Qabil has on Somali society, you got a point. I may be overly optimistic, but it's slowly dissolving as people get more educated in Islam. I witnessed it myself at the outpouring of support for the ICU back in December all ACROSS Somalia and the world. It will take work, and effort, for a Qabil-free Somalia to happen. But we all saw in Mogadisho what can take place when Islam is in action: Marriage across, hate to use the word, but 'caste', lines. Social equality. Looted homes returned to it's rightful owners who flew from around the world(you might wanna interview one of them). Booming business activity. What more can you ask for in 6 months time ? "Umm err ahhh, what about that Indocade cat. Screw all that. Let them kick him out first then holla back" Sitting back pontificating and waiting for perfect Islam to present itself won't happen. Shaqo iyo rag bay uu baahantahay, sxb.

lol@prove their Islamnimo. Who asked you to do that ? Jump from one point to another: First a non-answer about the dead Ethos(can I get a mac sonkur, or is that too much?) then it was A.u.B, then it was the ICU ain't perfect enough. Only showcases your impossible position: Claiming to support Islam on hand, while sticking your head in the sand about the Tikrey & TFG reality. You guys = Anybody supporting the TFG. And please don't flash the Qabil card(it's desperate and unbecoming) as BOTH the TFG and the ICU are represented by ALL Somalis. Who were the thoroughbreds that lined up in front of Etho tanks in Idaale and Diinsoor ? The Lions of Gedo, always on the frontlines when the call comes. The Geesiyaal from Bari, G-haadis to the last. The Men of Mogadisho, the blessed brothers from Burco, and on and on. Forget clans, every Somali laf was represented and now have a Shaheed. So please don't give me this line of bull$hit you're picking up from Duke,Inc about Qabil or that dude bent outa shape by one sub-sub-clan. Qabil is gone, and on it's way out. If not my generation, then by my kids, or their kids. It's a new Somali order, sxb. And the winning card is ultimately Islam. Man up and pick a side. Edit: The Saudi example is not valid here for multiple reasons. To fully discuss the situation and what led to the faulty(in many scholars view) fatwa, it needs its own thread, but let me say this: The Bathist army that invaded and occupied Kuwait and threatened Saudi had nothing to do with Islam. They were more like the Ethiopians in Somalia's case. The scholars justified asking for international help based on that. Completely different from the situation in Somalia.

Thanks for the talk yaa akhi, know the jamacat of islamiya is distinct from the others.....until they rise its the corrupt game of politics Just couldn't resist this loaded comment. It's begging to be taken apart. You want a pure utopian Islamic movement ? Right ? Allow me to disllusion you: There never was a perfect Islamic movement, state, group in history of existence, nor will there ever be one. Seerah 101: The Munaafiqs were not only tolerated in Madeenah, but they participated in the Prophet's battles. Who's worse Head of the Madeenah Munafiqs(forgot hi sbname) or Indhocade ? Duqa, you seriously need to start reading more before you start formulating positions based on good-intentioned naiveness. Athiga waxaa rabtaa miyaa a ready-made perfect Islamic movement(preferably headed by adeer kidding). It ain't a-happening, sxb. Mistakes will be made. There will be discord and division. There will be in-fighting like what happened between the Companions after the Prophets death. The point you keep on avoiding and evading like Abdi-Bile and I keep on tying you to is this: Never in the history of Islamic movements/states have they chosen to side with invading Kufaars against Muslims they may have disagreements with. Never happened. You can say all you want that you're not supporting the Tikrey & TFG, your posts say otherwise. If you come to terms with that dillema of yours, there's nothing more to be argued about Look, wanting a faultless movement is honourable in principle, we should all aspire to excellence. But please don't tell me you're that idealistic enough to discount ALL the good the ICU has done because of a few bad elements. Even worse, being that idealistic, you damn your own case ten times over. Cuz if the ICU ain't perfect enough, what does that make the Tikrey hordes and the foriegn-made warlord government Yakhay, READ. Somebody's in for a rude awakening.

Thanks Horn. I'm not aligning myself with him. He may even be against the TFG for his own purposes. I'm just showing how the entire spectrum of Somali-dom, regardless of political orientation, can see through what drives men like Duke and how they are silent when attrocities are being committed against civillians. The very least they could do was to stand up and condemn that attack, they didn't. What they did was call it a PR stunt. Speaks volumes about the character of the TFG camp.

You're knee-deep in the dodo, Khalaf. I thought I could reason with you, laakin qayli iyo cabaad iyo "Somali waa istaqanaa" aala soo shirtagtay. If you didn't notice, we're all about changing that qabil-centric mentality No matter. Thanks for making your position clear, as an Tikrey appeaser.

That would be you, Violet.

I think I need to do dedicate a thread to this beloved red herring of TFG supporters. It's easy to escape from a debate with a crazy line like "But it ain't a Holy War, One Sub-clan is inherently evil, savage, and has anarchy tattooed in their DNA" Pi, try again, dawg. Even you know that line of thought is Nazi-esque. Conversely, I'd guess your solution would be ethnic cleansing ?

Mida Kale I declare my alligence only to Allah and Messenger scw, and follow jamacatal islamiya whom follow the Quran That's all good here. But your words and quotes in past threads say otherwise. Sacab-Tuming for A/Y does not in any way, shape, or form, come close to the Quran. I'll leave it at that. I'm not asking you to support or not support the ICU, I'm simply asking you to be frank about where you stand. If it's with the adeero, then be real about it. General Duke is. General Sakhar is. General Jumatatu-in-exile was. General Jujie is. General Allamagan is. See the pattern ? If not, and you support the Xaq, then let your words and posts validate your intentions. That's all I'm saying. Laakin, "I-support-Islam-but-also-support-the-Kufaar-and-Munaafiqs" is not hathal a Muslim brother laga sugaayo. Also, don't sweat A.u.B. I think you're taking his rhetorical bombast(bombing Galkacyo) to the heart. He's a nice diversion, eh ? Now's the time to say: Focus on the crucial issues on the table.

Umm, and that coming from an supporter of the Etho invasion(being generous) ? Yeah, war is glorifyingly awesome. I like your newly-found humanitarian side. Care to share your concern on the Suuban Ali case ?

Akh, The 'issues', you say ? Brah, this ain't no academic workshop. We are going thru an historical change and it's important that people declare themselves and their allegiance. We're not discussing global warming here for you to tell me to focus on the 'issues'. As a Somali and a Muslim, you are the issue. Your non-answer and evasion speaks for itself. Without tryna sound patronising, I think you're a sincere brother but confused bigtime. I hope you do some independent research on whats going on, and, by all means, avoid the Dark Side. Never thought I'd see the day where a fellow Somali Muslim is ambivalent(best case scenario) about the deaths of an Ethiopian invader. Ilaahow na Astur. A.u.B is trippin', but beneath his buffoonery, are some piercing truths.

Let the 'games' begin ? Be good enough to answer this question, cuz frankly speaking akh, you're all over the place. You have a Horseman(Faaris) carrying the banner of Islam on one hand, yet I remember you sacab-tuming for A/Y not too long ago. Are you happy, sad, or indifferent about the 7 Ethiopian soldiers killed ? As clear as question could be and your answer will hopefully be illuminating.

Originally posted by Jaylaani: Yesterday you were condoning the rape of Somali mother by XABSHIS.. Maxaad somalinimo ka taqaan. Maad iska tidhaahdid dhiiga ilaadeernimaa i shidaaye. You sold your soul to the devil and you're paying the prize as a result. History won't be kind to you either...xabashi lover! How could you live within your self? Couldn't say it better myself. Me and Jaylani disagree on a whole rack of issues, but even as far apart as we are, we both call it as we see it. Anybody who's blood is not boiling with warlord-worship would do the same.

Oh boy. Ileen Disingenuous hypocrisy knows no limits. Is this $hit for real ? The entire invasion, occupation, and destruction of Somalia is swept under the carpet and this isolated barbaric incident at the hands of an enraged crowd is played up like maxaa kaa galay ? Lemme sum it up for those of you who find in this incident an excuse to air all that hate buried inside, or want to replay early '90s again. Is this incident wrong, barbaric, unacceptable, and unIslamic to boot ? Yes. Is it on the same level as the atrocities being committed by the TFG & Tikerey alliance against cillivians and the nature of the occupation itself ? Not even close. No comparison to begin with. Will I lose any sleep over it ? Absolutely not. Not good enough ? Please accept a hearty F to the U from yours truly. I shed no tears for the misfortune that happens to combatant enemy that is actively killing me. Economist, Credibilty, sxb, is something you sorely lack. If you'd like to be taken a bit more seriously, try to take a principled stand and address that gaping hole of yours: Crying foul here, "Oh my God, they violated the rules of war. That's like soooooo not cool. It's in the Geneva Conventions" while dismissing in the crudest way possible the crime against Sister Suuban. We have nothing more to talk about till then.

^Soo daa warka, Xiinow. How are things progressing ? Inshallah Khayr.

IRIN reporting: They [government forces] came less than an hour after morning prayers [5am]. As soon as they tried to move into the area they met stiff resistance [from residents]," he said. Government forces were pushed back , towards the former defence ministry headquarters, where Ethiopian troops are based, he said, adding that residents were "quickly joined by courts militias [remnants of the Union of Islamic Courts]". I have seen up to 30 government soldiers captured," the journalist said Hordatha ka kac. You insult the intelligence of SOL's readership when you post articles from tabloids as journalism reporting.

So now, Hiiraan is a 'emotional' site ? Niiiiiiice. What do you make of Allmudug.org with such wonderfully neutral terms like "Kooxaha rabshada wado" and "Kooxaha labaxay muqawamada" ? Forget that. Is the BBC World service & Mohamed Olad Hassan reliable or emotional ? Cuz 2 hours ago, I heard him say government troops were and I quote "overrun". Maybe he caught the emotional bug too ? Sheesh. Some people.