Local people, from teen-agers to elders, now talk of the brief period of rule by the Islamic Courts in wistful tones . For the first time in a generation, there was a level of security in the district that few had believed was possible. The various clan-based militias which terrorised the region, setting up checkpoints and settling disputes with guns, buried their arms. If the Islamic Courts came back, not just this area but the whole of Somalia will be safer ," said Mohammed Abdullahi Gure, chairman of Marere elders' committee . "People used to fear the Islamic Courts. The government does not have the holy Koran so they do not fear them." The UIC's presence in Marere district was limited, but effective , Mr Gure said. A commander was appointed, based in the village of Gududey. He had just one technical - the souped-up 4x4s armed with machine guns - and a handful of soldiers, but few were prepared to risk committing a crime . There wasn't a militia man who would move with guns," said Mr Gure. "They feared because they were told the Islamic Courts forces would have the Holy Koran as their guide." Without the sharia law which the UIC imposed , Mr Gure and his committee of elders are unable to keep the peace. There is no system of justice in Marere 'Nuff said. Compare the Sharia-enforced ICU-era with the wave of dhac, dhil, and kufsi sweeping thru Kismayo. Yet, some deluded few will argue, in all seriousness, that Kismayo is peaceful and stable, that the ICU were 'tuugo with red cimaamads'. When people have unrelenting obsessions like "Kismayo anaka aa iska leh" or "Barre Hiraale is a god-king above all criticism", their credibility and intelligence suffers as well. This article is yet one more piece of international reporting that highlights the amazing and historical success of the Islamic Courts of Somalia. Sabran brothers Gure and Moalim. The Courts, and Sharia law, will be back soon-time, Allah-willing, accompanied by the security and stability that we all crave.

Great discussion overall although it veered from the inital topic. Jimcaale and Horn seem to be disputing this story, I'd like to hear their reasoning. Calling Kismayonews a liar just because it doesn't help your cause(Horn) doesn't cut it. I'd like to continue some of the strong points made by Geel-Jire while also replying to the myths(for the lack of a better word) that are continuously peddled here on SOL. Myth I: "We need to form a united pan-Somali movement that can be an alternative to the TFG once it's gone. That should be the priority right now rather than useless fighting against the all-powerful occupation forces. We should focus all our efforts and plan for the post-TFG stage while keeping a low-profile(ie ‘surrender’ militarily)" On it's face, it's not a bad proposition. In fact, it's something that should be given serious thought. Two major flaws tho: a) It assumes the TFG will be gone or go on it's own. It also assumes the occupation isn't here to stay(or so it plans). Naiveness maxaa lagaa dahaa! Do you think inay TFG-ga iska tagayso by itself ? As the maah-maah goes, Nin tag lama daho, waxuu ku tago aala tosaa. In this effort of ours to liberate Somalia, both a political(reconciliation and whatnot) and military solution are needed, but make no mistake about it, there is no alternative to guerilla warfare while Somalia remains under occupation. Cold hard thinking would have that. Simple matter of leverage. If somebody can't hurt you physically, you have no incentive to listen to them. Another maah-maah: Ninkii waran-keesa ku galin, warkiisa kuma galo. If 10 million Somalis today join their voices, open a political office in London, and bombard the UN with phone calls and demonstrations, it would not change one single damn fact on the ground. I get the feeling that some nomads are too caught up in this Martin Luther King "We-Shall-OverCome" non-violence theory. Admirable no doubt, but this ain't Atlanta, Georgia. This is Gun-Rulez, Somalia. Y'all need to get with the program.....as it’s happenin’ on the ground. b) It’s a textbook example of ‘paralysis by analysis’. You guys are sweating the details of whats to come in 5 years time(post-TFG era) while marginalising what needs to be done now. Like a girl who meets a guy she likes(or vice versa) and is already worrying over their house furniture. A wedding that may or may not take place. How do you know the TFG and the Ethiopians will be gone ? Who and what can keep the TFG from extending their term to another 20 years ? What force can prevent the Xabash from staying for another century like they have in Kilinka Shanaad ? The political process you say, and I laugh !!! Let’s get real here, ppl. “Qoriga Caaridheesa”(the barrel of the rifle) is the only thing that can will cause the enemy to think twice about staying. Baashi, this isn't the heart talking, this is Real-Politik. For those of you who still don’t believe in the effectiveness of the resistance, you might wanna take a look at Hezbollah and how they forced Israel to end their occupation of Southern Lebanon by waging a low-level protracted insurgency for 20 years. I'm sure they got their fair share of naysayers and cynics, talkin' bout "Isreal is greatest military might in the M.E., ain't no chance of winning, we should pursue this through diplomatic channels and the UN". But Hezb, being the smart students of guriella warfare, didn't pay them no mind. Today, they are the most popular political party across the M.E. and in Lebanon, cutting across enthic and religous lines. Whaddaya got to say about that ? Myth II:"It is utterly wrong to associate the noble resistance(muqaawama) with tribal militias and other shady groups, who have a common goal: Kicking out the Xabashis and ending this farce known as the TFG" In principle, I agree. Matter of fact, a few weeks ago, I was 100% in favour. Cold reality, however, has a way of forcing new perspectives. Who woulda thought that the most respected man in Somali politics, Shaykh Shariif of the ICU would meet with, let alone become an ally of, Aideed Jr, a despicable traitor son of a even more despicable warlord ? Politics tho, and the greater good, has a way of making strange asxaab. I was all "Heeeeeell Naaah, How could you, Shaykh ?" when I first heard, but after analysing the whole thing, it really is the politically prudent move to make. Long explanation, maybe another thread. Same situation in Kismayo, Qoryooley, and Qalaafo, where tribal militias have taken over. Regardless of their motives, they are helping in eroding the authority of the TFG as well as giving operating room to the ICU fighters. This is a strategic and tactical gain on our end, on Somalia’s end. Why reject the oppurtunity ? Sorry, "It's not noble" is not good reason enough. Another example(hey, I'll keep'em coming till u concede ) Back in March and April when the resistance fighters were inflicting heavy damages on occupation forces, damages that were so lethal that the Tikrays had to call in reinforcements from Baidoba and Kismayo(paving the way for K-town to fall, see how the pieces of the puzzle fall into place once you start making moves ? it’s all about action) and start shelling the city indiscriminately…….Question…. back then, who was doing the fighting ? Most people would agree that the bulk of the fighting was being done by the Al-Shabaab and the Courts, but there was also a sizeable tribal contingent that was also fighting bravely and assisting the Courts. There was, at least, a basic level of co-ordination between the two. But if you were to leave it to the armchair analysts on SOL, they would condemn such a strategic alliance on weak grounds like “it’s not right to ally yourself with tribal militia” or “if you arm them now, how will you disarm them later” Let me be clear: I’m not endorsing or supporting any tribal militia. I know that, for the most part, they are calooshooda uushaqeystalaal who would double-cross you in no time, as MMA pointed out. But you gotta make do with the cards you’re dealt. “Al-Xarbu Khidca” was the saying of the Prophet(PBUH). Let them play their games, we(the resistance proper) will play ours. Currently our interests are aligned: Fight the TFG, and by extension, the Ethiopians. I have yet to see an effective argument of why we shouldn’t take advantage of our common ground. Akhyaarta, Tribal militia, are a reality on the ground and a force to be reckoned with. They will play a role one way or the other in this conflict all over Somalia. Since they are tribal, they cannot provide a nationalistic vision, but we can use them to our(anti-occupation) benefit. The same way(Cara, pay attention here) the Courts incorporated Indhocade’s drug-running militia into their ranks after victory was gained. The same way they were disbanded and sent to ‘rehabilitation’ camps outside the cities. It’s called de-fanging the snake, but for now, if played properly, these snakes are a strategic plus. Watch and see. Where is Paragon when you need him? Yo, P, help me out here, sxb. Waala igu goobtay

LOL@MMA..my bad,sxb. also my bad@Dabshid...my comments were in jest but in retrospect, out of line. I guess I was inspired by the beauties dancing in your signature pic. Laakin ayaga, they're dancing for a joyous occaison, a wedding or something. Look at their smiles! Ka waran qofkee oo boodh boodho for Melez Zenawi, a midget dictator hated by his own people ? Ka waran qofkee scream-gareeyo "Al-Qaacida, Al-Qaacida" at every press conference to explain away the unexplainable(Treason, foriegn occupation, genocide) ? As Somalis, we have a healthy hatred for Ethiopia, not the people(the shacab), nor the country, but it's leadership, be it a monarchy, a military junta, or a democracy-wannabe for what they have done to us over the past 500 years. The TFG and it's low-life leaders, starting with Abdullahi Yusuf, are the first Somalis in history, in a position of leadership, to become subservient(a heavy word) to the Xabash. Never happened before, nor will it inshallah, happen again once this current crop of traitors and warlords are exterminated. This is what I was referring to with my boodh-boodh comment.

LOL@Dabshid....And how exactly do you plan to get your property back ? Write a letter to Caato, Cali Mahdi, Qeybdiid, and company and tell them, now that they have been civilised and dowlad'ised, can they please return the houses they stole ? Honour among thieves miyaa sheekada ? Not that you would admit to it, but your best chance in getting your properties back was with the Islamic Courts of Somalia. 3 of my relatives travelled from overseas and within days of their arrival got all of their properties back. See, unlike you, they saw the Courts for what they really were, not for what their Tolka leaders said they were. Jokes aside, I sincerely hope and pray that any TFG supporter that travels to Somalia meets with the same hardships at the hands of the Tikrays, that the average Somali is facing everyday. Now that'd be a rude awakening and poetic justice combined.

^^ All of the looters, the killers, the architects of the genocidal early 90's are on your side. Both of you are shaking your moneymakers for Melez Zenawi. Perhaps you need to stop and ponder on the delicous irony of your position: A collection of dad-qalato warlords, Etho b!atches, war criminals who have grown fat and flabby on dhiig xaaraan and lacag xaaraan, lecturing us about order and civility. Orod soo boodh boodh at the Etho embassy in Dubai, sxb. Shake, Shake, that moneymaker.

Mac Sonkur...u ain't seen nothing yet, Skinny-man. The nerve on this guy is amazing. Boorsooyinka ayay iga jeex-jeexeen kulahaa !! Gacmahaaga dhiig Islaam ayaa ka da'aayo and then you talk about I was mistreated.

^ The location isn't the issue. The issue is Dabshid's charge of "Awalba xaaraan aa lagu dhisay". Yacni anybody from Mogadisho who is wealthy or is building houses is profiteering from Moriyaanism. That's his inherent bigoted laughable claim. Very impressive coming from an multicellular organism who supports an entity that sheds dhiig xaraan on a daily basis. What goverment land ? Jalle Siads ? You might not know this, but Somalia and Mogadisho doesn't belong to a dictator(then) or a traitor(now) for them to designate what is governmental and what isn't. This ain't Yey/Siad Arabia.

^^ It's called the Least Common Denominater(LCD) and we took it in the 3rd grade, yaa Xiin I know that there's tribal beef going down in K-town, but that tribal beef is to our(our, being all anti-occupation Somalis) advantage when it culminates in weaking the TFG and shredding it's authority. Think about it. A decentralized, weakened thru in-fighting TFG = our oppurtunity and gain. Fighting the TFG and the Axbaash is our LCD, when we speak in practical terms. And we simply can't afford to be too discriminating at this point and time. At the risk of sounding simplistic, the equation goes like this: Fight Tikray/TFG = Good. Accept Tikray/TFG = Bad. The tribal militias and other unsavoury groups can and will be put in their places once Somalia is liberated. But for now, they're fighting our war for us. Gotta be pragmatic, brah.

^ Yup, I've heard he's his grandson. Like the Prophet said about Abdullahi bin Zubair when commenting on their identical traits of bravery and geesinimo:"He is his Father's son"

Brother Makhtal is a G and the grandson of a G. Inshallah, not only will he come back but stronger and more determined then ever.

Umm guys, hate to bust your bubble and all, but ah...Da Moga isn't such a safe area for traitors. If you insist on going, I'd suggest you keep all pro-TFG(pro-traitor-hood) comments to yourself. If you do see Gheedi, igu salaan, tell'em I said Whussup Enjoy! -A small intrusion from your long-lost friend: Reality

We need a concerted movement that acknowledges our past ugly history, transcends Qabiil and ideologies,and assures the interests of all Somalis I fully agree with you here. The closet we ever came to having such a movement was between Jun '06 and Jan'07, to international,national acclaim and recognition. The powers-that-be decided that since the movement was Islamist in nature, it had to go. And go it did. Temporarily that is. It now has regrouped and is the vangaurd of all the groups fighting the TFG/Tikray alliance. Other than Kismayo and Mogadisho, I can't think of other Somalis are picking arms against Ethios True say. Now what to do ? Do we sit on our behind and wait for that perfect utopian Unity movement that would have the support of ALL Somalis(and impossible task) ? Or do we do what we can in combating the Xabashi/TFG enemy ? Yes, it's crucial to gain the support of as many Somalis as possible, but principles and objectives should never be held hostage to popular opinion. Things would go much more easier for the Resistance if they had uanimous pan-Somali support, but you can best believe that they're not gonna ask permission to defend their deenta, dalka, and dadka. Donald Rumsfeld(in his few moments of wisdom):" You don't go to war with the army you wish for, You go to war with the army you have" We're going to war with the army we have, with all of it's weaknesses, mistakes, and errors. Is you in or is you in ? Pinning your hopes on tribal militias or suicide bombers is simply futile Heh. The resitance ya Che is much more than tribal militias and suicide bombers, although they may include elements from both. I remember people who were projecting a similar pessmistic forecast back in June of last year when the Courts were fighting the battle-hardened, seemingly-invincible M.ooriyaan. In the space of a few weeks, the warlord era waa ku daysay thanks to no other than 'tribal militia and suicide bombers'. Something tells me that the Somali nation will once more be thankful for liberating them a 2nd time.

lol@Cara.The link works now. Your thoughts ? Che, The resistance is an umbrella term for anybody, regardless of political affiliation, that's fighting against the Tikray/TFG occupation. This would include, for example, the tribal militias that took over Kismayo. Nitpicking about who's a real wadani and who's not, who's tribally motivated and who's not, doesn't serve the interests of the Somali people at this dark hour of our history, kickin' Xabashi/TFG @ss does.

Waxaa dhacday inay gabadh xijaabani soo martay bar kantarool oo ay wada jir u joogaan koox ka tirsan ciidama Gumaysiga iyo kuwa Soomaali ah isla markaana ay gabadhii qabteen oo dharkii ka dhigeen. Hadaba gabadhii oo sidii hooyadeed ku dhashay ah ayay laba dible gaadhi ugu xidheen kadibna mid ka mid ah askartii Gumaysiga ayaa intuu qalin qaatay gabadha caloosheedii ku feegaaray oo ku qoray far jaantoodii sawirka geedaha u ekeed. Waxaa wax laga murugooda, laga ciishooda lagana ficillooda ah falka anshax xumada ah ee ciidamada Tigreegu kula keceen gabadha Soomaaliyeed ee Muuminadda ah, waxaase wax lala yaabo ah ragga Soomaaliyeed ee sidii ayagoo filim daawanaya gabadh walaashood ah hortooda lagu faro-xumeeyay . Source And simpeltons wonder why the resistance rages on unabated. Kun shilin for the first dhabo-dhilif to say this was a 'manufactured incident'.

^ You got proof for your charge mase waxaa lagaary that time of the month again ?

Saas iyo sii ka fiican-ba woo uu hadlay, but deaf men can't dance. Those who are hell-bent in finding fault with the Courts(then) and the Muqaawama(now) will find a way no matter what. The Courts recognised the TFG and told them to come to Mogadisho and govern the people, with only 2 conditions: a) No Xabashi influence, they must leave. b) Sharia rules. Well, the TFG refused(ileen dan bay lahayd) and the rest is history. So this "If they only were a bit more welcoming and hadal macaan" line of thought is bogus, plain and simple. Sheekh Xasan wuxuu sheegay inay dhamaan culimadda Islaamku isku waafaqsantahay in qofkii Muslim ah ee gaalada la safta ama garab siiya inuu gaalnimo ku sifoobay salaaduu doono ha tukadee wuxuuna yidhi "Dad Muslimiin ah haday gaalo soo raacaan oo dad Muslimiin ah u soo raacaan waxaa weeyaan ayagay la midyihiin

^You know intee loo raacaa ? He toes the whatever line Aabo Cabdullahi draws. And since it's in said Aabo's interest to ally himself with his arch-enemy and rival, the same man he insulted in his shirka carta speech, BOOM, done deal, Clan clown leader Abdiqasin is now 'Mudane' Abdiqasin, a national hero and former President of the Somali republic who shouldn't suffer the indignity of being guarded by clan clown millitia. Ain't nuthin to a qabilisto's mind-set. So predictable.

Originally posted by YoniZ: Faaraxs/Xalimos can have a piece of that cake if they have a finance background and can speak fluent Arabic. Very interesting. Could you elaborate a lil more on that ? Why Arabic ? And what would the work entail ? Cuz if it means working your way up the corporate ladder to get that piece of the pie, no thanks, it means you're just another well-fed cow chained to a paycheck. With a finance background and Arabic skillz, can one open shop as a independent-contractor kinda thing ? or once you gain the relevant experience and market knowledge, open your own firm and bill yourself as a financial super-whiz catering to ethnic minorities(Arabs, Somalis etc). Possible ? Entrepenurship, that's how they made their millions. Young 'Malis should do no less.

Whether the first country that recognizes Somaliland is Ethiopia or another African country is not the point. But the main thing is that Somaliland is going to get the recognition that it deserves. And I'm assuming that's your bottom line, yaah ? Recognition, come hell or highwater, by any means neccasery is what I'm hearing, roobleh. How far(or how low) are you willing to go in order to reach the recognition paradise ? Are you(you being the SL government and whoever supports it) willing to: a) Sell out your scholars(Culamaa-ul-Deen) and hand them over to the Xabashi cousins ? Check b) Play the Al-Qacida card to persecute and silence any rising Islamic voice. Torture the shit outa any Shaykh that doesn't fall in line ? Check c) Duck down and keep quiet about the ruthless indiscrminate shelling of a Somali city, this time, not at the hands of a Somali dictator, but a Tikray one(hypocrisy alert!) A massacre that was denounced by pretty much the rest of the 'civilised' world ? Check In other words, you're willing to do pretty much anything that would get you international recognition, even if it means grovelling in the streets of Addis Abba.......Ouch, just writing that hurts, man. After all that 'effort'(hyping up the masses, silencing any pro-unity advocates) , what happens if SL doesn't get recognition ? Mase sheekada waa give me recognition or give me death. It's admirable to have a goal and work for it, but sometimes, you just gotta ask yourself: At what cost ? No disrespect, but I don't think getting recognition from Ethiopia and simultaneously confirming your Xabashi-biatch status is a good thing. Some may disagree, tho.

Most of the semi-organized prostitution takes place on the outskirts of the capital, in nightclubs known as casinos — a local euphemism, because no gambling occurs Inexpensive Iraqi prostitutes have helped to make Syria a popular destination for sex tourists from wealthier countries in the Middle East. In the club’s parking lot, nearly half of the cars had Saudi license plates For more than three years after the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraqi prostitution in Syria, like any prostitution, was a forbidden topic for Syria’s government. Like drug abuse, the sex trade tends to be referred to in the local news media as acts against public decency. But Dietrun Günther, an official at the United Nations refugee agency’s Damascus office, said the government was finally breaking its silence. Source Say whatever you want about the NY Times, but they deliver. No chance in the world that an taboo topic like this could be discussed, let alone tackled, by an secular Arab government. This is a travesty and the ugly reality of the social consequences of this war, courtesy of Adeeryaal Neocons. What the article doesn't highlight(or intentionally ignores) is the fact that organised gangs of Syrian and Iraqi men are exploiting the refugees and forcing them, one way or another, into working at these clubs. The reporting, which is mostly lurid sensational yellow journalism, makes it sound like as if all these Muslim women are volantarily selling their bodies due to desperation. That maybe the case for some, but not the majority of refugees who are being preyed on by organised criminals. The Ba'thist government ? Looks the other way, long as the masses are kept quiet, plied with sex and alcohol, it's all good. Yes, it could happen in Somalia. Waxa-la-Yiri gazzete(anecdotal evidence) sheegs that Somali women have and are providing sexual services to the Xabashi enemy. Of course, the dhabo-dhilifs would put a spin on it: "It's not prostitution. It's free enterprise" or "So what ? We gotta keep our guests happy and tend to their needs." Having massacred 2,000 Somali civilians in Moga, doomed half a mil to refugee status, you think they wouldn't pimp their family members. Think again. B.astards would justify anything that would expedite their futile power-quest. As Gheedi can attest to, there sure is an ongoing overdue reckoning. Food for thought: Would such terrible exploitation of human misery be allowed to go unchecked and unpunished under an Islamist administration ? Lower your anti-ICU shield for a minute and blurt it out: No, not a snowball's chance in hell, too.

^Falling back, otherwise known as, Stockholm syndrome. With all due respect to Safi, that was one heckuva emotionally charged brain fart. You got an axe to grind against the ICU ? Thas cool, many do. But to embrace the Xabashi invasion and occupation as a 'salvation' and to speak of Zenawi in reverent biblical terms as your personal(you speak for urself only) Saviour ...well, thats a first. Compare and contrast Safi's emotional outburst with The difference in quality, content, and bearing speaks for itself. One couragouesly is doing something about this tragedy, while the other capitulates, waves the white flag of surrender, and welcomes Adeer Tikray Zenawi to barf save us from these baddie bad guys who violate our human rights by closing down cinemas and banning narcotics end-barf. Not to rain on any Xabashi colonial sympathizin' parade, but the same men and women who made the ICU what it was are still up and running in Somalia. They're just operating under various different brand names. rather it was a secular movement under the disguise of Islam. Janaqale-bi-idnillah-hadoo-gaalo-raacnimada-iska-dhaafo-inshallah, Waala iska hadlaa maa maqashay ? Ku noqo bal waxa aad qortay, sxb.

When completed, it will indeed be the perfect folly, as well as the perfect embassy, for a country that finds it absolutely normal to build vast base-worlds across the planet; that considers it just a regular day's work to send its aircraft carrier "strike forces" and various battleships through the Straits of Hormuz in daylight as a visible warning to a "neighboring" regional power; whose Central Intelligence Agency operatives feel free to organize and launch Baluchi tribal warriors from Pakistan into the Baluchi areas of Iran to commit acts of terror and mayhem; whose commander-in-chief president can sign a "nonlethal presidential finding" that commits our nation to a "soft power" version of the economic destabilization of Iran, involving, according to ABC News, "a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions"; whose vice president can appear on the deck of the USS John C. Stennis to address a "rally for the troops," while that aircraft carrier is on station in the Persian Gulf, readying itself to pass through those straits and can insist to the world: "With two carrier strike groups in the Gulf, we're sending clear messages to friends and adversaries alike. We'll keep the sea lanes open. We'll stand with our friends in opposing extremism and strategic threats. We'll disrupt attacks on our own forces ... And we'll stand with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region"; whose military men can refer to Iraqi insurgents as "anti-Iraqi forces"; members of whose congressional opposition can offer plans for the dismemberment of Iraq into three or more parts; and all of whose movers and shakers, participating in the Washington Consensus, can agree that one "benchmark" the Iraqi government, also locked inside the Green Zone, must fulfill is signing off on an oil law designed in Washington and meant to turn the energy clock in the Middle East back several decades; but why go on. To recognize such imperial impunity and its symbols for what they are, all you really need to do is try to reverse any of these examples. In most cases, that's essentially inconceivable. Imagine any country building the equivalent Mother Ship "embassy" on the equivalent of two-thirds of the Washington Mall; or sailing its warships into the Gulf of Mexico and putting its second-in-command aboard the flagship of the fleet to insist on keeping the sea lanes "open"; or sending Caribbean terrorists into Florida to blow up local buses and police stations; or signing a "finding" to economically destabilize the American government; or planning the future shape of our country from a foreign capital. But you get the idea. Most of these actions, if aimed against the United States, would be treated as tantamount to acts of war and dealt with accordingly in this country, with unbelievable hue and cry . Read on.. More on the hyper-embassy being built in Baghdad

^^ LOL. Now thats what I call a killer one-liner. Logic-ow gambar-kaas fadheeso.

^^ I hate to drag in politics, but um, you find homosexual rallies in Russia 'quite heroic and admirable' ? But the Muqaawama fighters are a buncha rag-tag militas who cowardly hide behind civillians ? Whose cause is lost and unworthy ? ^ What's wrong with that picture, Cara ? I mean, you know the world's coming to an end when Sodomites are lauded as heroes and patriot freedom fighters denigrated as foolish cowardly doqons. Yeah, I know you may not have used those exact words, but if I'm not mistaken, thats the general sentiment I gather from your posts. Just struck me as very dense. Support the fags, but them patriotic resistance fighters saving my country from Xabashi occupation, Nah, they're too bloody for my tastes. Also, would you still use the phrase 'heroic and admirable' if this was a rally in support of incest ? You know, two consenting adult blood relatives who want all the rights, including marriage, that other non-incesters have. Pedophiles ? Animal um 'friends' ? Once morality is sacrificed at the altar of 'rights', there are no more limits. Everything can and will be rationalised.