Originally posted by chubacka: classic. If Mr Marcus is such a public figure why does he not behave with a lil more dignity in these forums and show common decency to other nomads? when have i ever been rude! i normally defend myself against the tirades of those who attack me on daily basis!

You are the most patronising person I have ever seen! You expose on the internet and somehow expect me to be calm. You are a true hypocrite!

Originally posted by underdog: Understood, my bad! So why are you so mad about this conversation I'm having with ********? Just 2 guys having a talk about the nature of things. You are more than welcome to participate, seeing as you're in the field of social service. But, you've always shown support for Marcus, and never really clarified if you're a supporter of his radical ideas of separating the useless Somalis from the rest. What say you? are we uniting the people or picking & choosing? . Why? I didnt think your the type to expose people sxb. i am very disappointed in your behaviour towards me. dont dish my private business on SOL. ***** P.S as radical as i might appear, i dont believe in evolution! [ February 21, 2008, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Femme Fatale ]

^No i am the offical spokesman for the society!, if you have a enquiry, let me know!

Originally posted by underdog: I'm on your case because you have a Bill Clintonian way of avoiding questions directed at your beliefs and interpreting them as personal attacks. Lets not backtrack into past events...lets move forward. You're a leader of an organization trying to unite Somali people, yet on a number of occasions you have pointed out particular groups within the Somali community that you deem as sub par and don't quite fit in with your image of a united Somali community. My question is: is this your personal view or this the view of your organization? . U-doggy dog, I stood down as the president( first somali to do so since 1967!)but i have taken on more technical priorities, such as policy formulation and general guiding the society in its chosen path!. all views expressed on sol, utube and any other mediums are mine. I was unanimously elected to the presidency on two occasions! i won by a landslide majority both times!, such is the power of democracy!

Originally posted by underdog: Well good of you to say that... I'm bored and have loads of time on my hands. So, ask yourself this...am I attacking you or your topic? Aren't you being a lil hypocritical is thinking freedom of expression is being oppressed when you yourself don't wanna hear half the things people really think about you and your one-sided topics? By the way, the Mandate (Mission statement) of the Queen Mary Somali Society states quote: Queen Mary Somali Society is committed to promoting the free exchange of ideas, freedom of expression and the unrestricted pursuit of unity and cohesion among its members and the wider community. and yet here you are taking offense to Afsomali and those who want to speak in a forum called SOMALIA online. Why the hell should anyone take you seriously? I am actually the founder of that organisation! And was presidency for the first two years! It’s always nice to see people do background research and taking the initiative. Despite this, I resent that you have used 'lil' in your sentence. Don’t belittle me please. All I ask is that you give respect, its mutual (!). You have been on my case since I have joined this forum. Check the website: www.qmsomalisociety.com

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: ^Kakala daa hee daadiska...Inuu ooyo wax yar aa uga dhowee... quote: Originally posted by marcassmith: thanks alot for kidnapping this thread kool_kat! writing your endless tirades of bile in af-somaali has ruined the whole thread! why cant you write things in english! Af Ingiriis is not my mother tongue dee...Waxaan ka xigaa inaa afkeyga hooyo ku qoro...Ma dhibaataa hadaan afkeyga hooyo wax kuqoro? Teeda kale, you're starting to sound like a broken record with that line...Come up with something better...Bal ookiyaalihii gashee ka fikir another line... Cynical, maxaa you too eh? Mise waxaa itiriba lagu yiri kawadaa...Don't make me borrow two French words from Marcas aankuugu caayo...LOOOOL...Freedom of speech nooh...Just kidding, ma anaa caay kuuquuro... Afromantic, yareey hooyadeey carabkeeda maxaa karabtaa? Aaw la shaawday sheemnaat, faLoosaamigii baa'a gala naafaa, geesho aaba ladawaa? Iyaah...Jakjak jareereey xabash... ^ I’ll discard what you have just written! U-doggy dogg, you need to stop your ‘’hit and runs’’ on me. I believe we have discussed this before, if you are going to attack me, expect some your way!

its a matter of preference africangirl, i am somali as you have so brighly demostrated! but KK has been constantly been writing in af-somaali and i am not happy about this!

Originally posted by Khayr: ^^^ Underdog saxib, You gave my abs a workout with those pics. Lazy G, How much do you get paid as a Bodyguard? Is Marcus playing the role of "Whitney" and you as a "Kevin Costner" ? Sing for us Marcus.... pathetic Khayr, sing! what the hell are you on about! sing kulaha! i am not here for your pleasure!

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Free speech huh ??? ,,,,, how free ?? what do you want to say ? who do you want to insult ? mate! i dont want to insult anyone but i have noticed there is no freedom of speech on SOL. i am not ignorant enough to be insulting people without a good reason! why do you always have to assume the worst.

thanks alot for kidnapping this thread kool_kat! writing your endless tirades of bile in af-somaali has ruined the whole thread! why cant you write things in english!

Synopsis: The United Kingdom has a very large Somali community who struggle to overcome various barriers. The most concerning, perhaps is the educational and employment underachievement which has hindered the progress of the community socially, economically and politically. It is often argued that Somalis in the UK are invisible and relatively ignored. This invisibility can be attributed to the belief that many Somalis hold, in thinking that they will not be permanently settled in the UK and that they will move back to their homeland when circumstances allow. As such the Somali community has struggled to establish itself as a cohesive community with a political voice. The transition from a semi-nomadic and pastoral society in Somalia to the post-industrial society in the UK has made the migration process and the subsequent settlement difficult for Somalis. Like many refugee migrants, Somalis have encountered many issues, not least the changes to their cultural practices. Somalis are one of the most segregated ethnic communities in the UK, the consequence of which has limited integration into the wider community, in the process creating barriers that limit the opportunity to interact and cutting them off economically and politically. see the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6nwFVydXE

The internet is a democratic forum for self-expression but I can’t help but notice that SOL seems to limit this. I often find myself having to watch what I say for fear of being banned. This needs to stop and the moderators need to be more lenient on what can actually be said. I was on the politics section and found that people can be banned for simple things like name-calling and expressing extremist views; this distorts the purpose of the internet. If we can’t express our opinions, however extreme or crude where can we express it? SOL needs to move with the times; SOL is an internet extremist itself, for blocking alternative ideas and viewpoints. Can I also add that certain individuals also intimidate people from expressing their opinions! This is completely unacceptable. WE DEMAND YOU REMOVE YOUR CENSORSHIP RULES NOW!

i like to do many things in my spare time, but i enjoy nothing more than a good book, especially a jeffrey archer novel. i also like working out.

PUBLIC NOTICE: Ibz and I have broken up; I am now a free agent! She had her chance but I am just not impressed! She has failed to tick the right boxes! I hope this puts an end to the lies; Ibz has been spreading about 'us' being together! I categorically deny these fabrications as fictitious and delusionary! TheMarc

Ibz, why are laughing! Your written somali is quite poor, i see mistakes! go to Hargesia and attend Nuraadin private!

Originally posted by Je Jey: Only cowards. Perhaps! on a more serious note! has anyone been to the british museum to see the Chinese Terracotta Army exhibition! Bloody marvolous i say! TheMarc

I speak severally languages! English - Excellent Somali - Excellent French - Good - My mother tongue Arabic - I can read and write well but my speaking is a bit dodgy (Saudi accent) Bambara (Mali)- this is my native language, but i can barely speak it now.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Or he can just look at you and see it all reflected on your shades. I dont wear shades all the time, only when making videos and clubbing. Both occassions required one to hide ones identity. I have travelled extensively and would love to show a fellow somali around the greatest city in the world. I love London so much, there is so much to do and explore! TheMarc

I would be more than happy to show you around London.

not on my computer, i have so much work to do. I would like to be out and having fun! what country would you like to visit next?

Originally posted by I_will_come_up_with_new_name: is there any history why it is named Val-day? No plans at all--i will be WALKING Valentine's Day is a celebration of romantic love occurring annually on February 14. Although it is associated by legend with a Catholic saint named Valentine, Valentine's Day is not a religious holiday and never really has been. Valentine's Day has historical roots that go back to the pagen festivities of the Greco-Roman civilizations. The custom of exchanging cards and other tokens of love on February 14 began to develop slowly in England and France in the 14th and 15th centuries and became especially popular in the United States in the 19th and 20th centuries as marketing techniques began to develop. Over the last decade or so, Valentine's Day observance due to the international nature of business and marketing, has even spread to the Far East, India, and the Middle East. The association of the middle of February with love and fertility dates to ancient times. In ancient Athens, the period between mid-January and mid-February was the month of Gamelion, which was dedicated to the sacred marriage of the pagen 'gods' Zeus and Hera. In ancient Rome, February 15 was Lupercalia, the festival of Lupercus (or Faunus), the pagen 'god' of fertility. As part of the purification ritual, the priests of Lupercus would sacrifice goats and a dog to the 'god' and after drinking wine, they would run through the streets of Rome striking anyone they met with pieces of the goat skin. Young women would come forth voluntarily for the occasion, believing that being touched by the goat skin would render them fertile. Young men would also draw names from an urn, choosing their "blind date" for the coming year. In 494 AD the Christian church under Pope Gelasius I appropriated the some aspects of the rite as the Feast of the Purification. In Christianity, at least three different saints named Valentine or Valentinus, all of them martyrs, are mentioned in the early lives of the saints under the date of February 14. Two of the Valentines lived in Italy in the third century: one as a priest at Rome, the other as bishop of Terni. They are both said to have been martyred in Rome and buried on the Flaminian Way. A third St. Valentine was martyred in North Africa and very little else is known of him. Several legends have developed around one or more of these Valentines, two of which are especially popular. According to one account, Emperor Claudius II outlawed marriage for all young men because he believed unmarried men made better soldiers. Valentine defied Claudius and continued to perform marriages for young couples and was put to death by the emperor for it. A related legend has Valentine writing letters from prison to his beloved, signing them "From your Valentine." However, the connection between St. Valentine and romantic love is not mentioned in any early histories and is regarded by historians as purely a matter of legend. The feast of St. Valentine was first declared to be on February 14 by Pope Gelasius I around 498. It is said the pope created the day to counter the practice held on Lupercalia, but this is not attested in any sources from that era. It became common during the 15th century for lovers to exchange notes on Valentine's Day and to call each other their "Valentines." The first Valentine card was sent by Charles, duke of Orleans, to his wife in 1415 when he was a prisoner in the Tower of London. Valentine's Day love notes were often given anonymously. It is probable that many of the legends about St. Valentine developed during this period. By the 1850s, romantics in France began embellishing their valentine cards with gilt paper, ribbons and lace. Valentine's Day was probably imported into North America in the 19th century with settlers from Britain. In the United States, the first mass-produced valentines of embossed paper lace were produced and sold shortly after 1847 by Esther A. Howland of Worcester, Massachusetts. Her father operated a large book and stationery store. But in 1969, as part of a larger effort to pare down the number of saint days of legendary origin, the Church removed St. Valentine's Day as an official holiday from its calendar. Due to industrialisation and the move towards crass capitalism, hand written notes gave way to the exchange of mass-produced greeting cards. Massive publicity campaigns meant that these cards were no longer given just to lovers, but also to friends, family, classmates and coworkers. The Greeting Card Association estimates that approximately one billion valentine cards are sent worldwide each year, making Valentine's Day the second largest card-sending holiday of the year, behind Christmas. In the last 50 years or so, especially in the United States, as a means of making more money on the festivity, the practice of exchanging cards was extended to include the giving of gifts. Starting in the 1980s, the diamond industry began to promote Valentine's Day as an occasion for the giving of fine jewelry. The restaurant business also encouraged the celebration of Valentines day. Due to a mass publicity campaign, females began to expect their partners to take them out for a romantic dinner date on Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day has become a multi-million pound industry,consumers are blitzed with deals to tug on the purse-strings via emotioanl blackmail. The average male spends between £30 to £70 on a loved one on that day alone. Spending money on your loved one is of course not the problem. The problem lies in the fact that we allow ourselves to be manipulated by a profit driven system where we are seen as nothing but consumers. It would be an offense for me to receive a gift from my loved one on this particular day, as i would question the integrity of the gift. Surely if you love someone you do not need an advertising campaign to remind you to love them a little extra on one particular day. That is the problem with valentines day, mothers day, fathers day and all these other consumer holidays. Rather than tackling the real issues of human interaction. of parent-child relationship and of the love between a husband and wife, in a society that has lost is moral compass, these holidays attempt to manipulate peoples vulnerability. These multinational profit making machines while pretending to encourage the good human characteristic of love, fail to care about the thousands of girls who lose their virginity on this night, to guys they most probably will have no communication with what so ever a few weeks or months down the line. They do not care about the number of young teens that get pregnant on this night. They care little about the internal strife these young teenagers go through as a result of the immense pressure placed upon them by society to have a lover. If you love someone show them just how much by treating them in the best manner you can all the time, respecting their rights over you. Whether that be your mother, father,husband or neighbor. Just because there isn't an internationally celebrated Neighbors day doesn't mean you cant give your neighbor a card or a gift now and then no? If you love someone this valentines day, show them how much, by explaining to them the hoax that is Valentines day.

i always find those who muck V.day to be those without any plans on the day! TheMarc

Originally posted by Caano Geel: ibit, just get it over and admit it go marc, go marc, go marc, (does the mr shadey dance) C.G, thanks for the comical dance! but why dont they (somali girls) be upfront about their intentions. its almost as if 'playing hard to get' is game they have mastered! TheMarc

Thanks to Muslim extremist and their tirades of self-opinionated extremist bile agenda, i don’t think we longer live in a tolerant and multicultural society. People have become suspicious of Muslims and this is largely due to extremist and their extreme views. As a Somali Muslim and British! I can truly say, I own a sense of allegiance to the UK. When i was stranded and they offered me an opportunity to better oneself. So why should we kill innocent people on the trains and then claim to reaping the benefits of a multicultural society. TheMarc