I must admit that i like Ayan , hold it, hold it don´t throw a 'fatwa' on me too what i adore about Ayan is her courage, she showed that you can say against those who will kill you if you think diffrent. If killing Ayan somehow serves Islam or Somalis or whatever that makes her associated to us , i think Islam, and Somalis need to get hold of a NUKE for there are too many silent Ayans. then comes the real question , why would we want her or anybody for that matter dead? becouse she is Somali? not good enough. becouse she is a woman ? a aaa . becouse of Islam? o ooow. WHY? If Ayaan is a 'silent reader' here i´d tell her that she is got a fan here . not becouse she is smart , but she is cute

The Q?

Originally posted by Baashi: SB, Question: one of the basic assumption of Biology regarding to the origins of life is that the whole thing started as an accident. No? Bashi, Graad, let us sift the assumptions first. I remember Caano geel pointing at the absence of a scientific theory about the origins of LIFE. The big bang theory answers a diffrent Question. Ever since Edwin Hubble made the observation that the universe is continuously expanding. and discovered that a galaxys velocity is proportional to its distance. Galaxies that are twice as far from us move twice as fast and the universe is expanding in every direction. This observation means that it has taken every galaxy the same amount of time to move from a common starting position to its current position Creationsm again took a blow becouse it talks about 7 heaves without an elevator Having said that, Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions. The Age of the universe can be roughly calculated as (distance of a particular galaxy) / (that galaxys velocity) = (time) or 4.6 x 10^26 cm / 1 x 10^9 cm/sec = 4.6 x 10^17 sec This equation, equaling 4.6 x 10^17 seconds, comes out to be approximately fifteen billion years This maybe is the begening you´re talking about Recently, NASA has made some astounding discoveries which lend themselves to the proof of the Big Bang theory. Most importantly, astronomers using the Astro-2 observatory were able to confirm one of the requirements for the foundation of the universe through the Big Bang. In June, 1995, scientists were able to detect primordial helium, such as deuterium, in the far reaches of the universe. These findings are consistent with an important aspect of the Big Bang theory that a mixture of hydrogen and helium was created at the beginning of the universe.

Huba Huba !! the geek club is growing faster than expected !!, who could imagine Cano gell and Castro wearing those shallow glasses Welcome anboard guyz. Complicated bro !, maybe Castro did ask the question you warned for , but only you could know if there is a point in his notion, Apart from wanting a stand-alone app for your English/somali DB, Castro wrapped it nicely for ya , unless you wanna compare Tomcat to Jboss becouse of the power of the J2EE and you beeing a coffe addict Tomcat will cover all your needs . and you don´t need to write a front end app but a website. Castro bro, it's burried in the Student section, which means current non-students may not find it. True , but what to do ? SOL and it´s 9 sections were probably well choosen and named by uncle Said without thinking about these geeks.

Originally posted by Geel_jire: #define qor(%) printf(%) #define geli(%,&%) scanf(%,&%) and etc., until you've translated all 32, ANSI standard commands into the somali lingo. JB, sxb waa ra'iyi fiican, inkastoo yar leexday, the somalization of this field, is a major step. some of my friends back home(wadankii), work for a software house, they make commercial software's,with menu's and help & everything in somali. Bro Geel_Jire, ________________________________ printf("Xiin waa bahal"); or Qor("Rudy waa shimbir"); ________________________________ Makes sence when you´re intrested in the somali lingo on a compiler level , but very intresting issue in terms of educating and introducing to programming etc etc. What i´d in mind was some sort of a "standard" somali language in menus,msgBoxz,allerts,CaptionBars,Statusbars etc etc that can be broadly accepted by Somali users. Originally posted by Complicated: and I was planning to write an application (front end) for it, but I cant decide what language to use (Java, VB, PHP ASP etc), and for the sake of portability what db I should use file based or one of them DBMS's? Bro Complicated , the language to use is trivial as long as you got it in your SQL server. You could write a nice lil app in Java and intract with somali/English DB through JDBC or use VB and ODBC etc etc, but what is intresting is the portability of the to be DB , a file based or DBMS´s. Though most DBMS are alike with a lil edge for Oracle ( maybe that kicks a debate of it´s own) i think Rudy knows what he is talking about.

Originally posted by Bakar: Proving how the intelligent designer made the universe is tantamount to proving the existence of the designer HIMSELF. When delving into constant immobility of nature, faith and conviction instead of evolution is required. Why? Why is it favorable to have a plain faith instead of a beleif (a fact) based on what you can KNOW? Originally posted by Bakar: When we make an attempt to explain things whether scientifically or not, we use our sense perception—seeing hearing, touching, smelling and tasting, and thereof make our judgement. What this means is that our judgement (which is in direct relation to the external objects) is contingent upon our experience. Then, how can we believe ourselves capable of understanding things beyond which our senses can no longer perceive. Excuse me Bakar, but , haven´t you already answered this very Question in your (first)above statement? where you insist that a plain faith is required when Proving how the intelligent designer made the universe. Originally posted by Bakar: It is preposterous to acquire scientific data in the hope we know the nature of our existence. Bakar,no matter how preposterous it might sound, the alternative you present is more preposterous and absurd, becouse if you deliberately choose not to beleive in the scientific data you aquire but deny it, you´re intentionally closing your senses , and that is pure insanity, an indication of a need of a higher beeing. In the psycology field ,Maslow's hierarchy of needs points to the existance of such a need. Originally posted by Bakar: Is that a conjecture from your part? Are you insinuating reason and faith are irreconcilable? What religion or faith do you think contradict reason, vice versa? I find your statement very ambiguous. I thought rationalist heavily relay on reason when investigating the unseen world and its connection with physical world., Though they reached different conclusions most of them believed the concept of God being the “designer†of the universe. Very loose assumption out there don´t you agree? Dear Bakar, In the defination of Rationalism , The excercise of reason provides the primary basis for knowledge, instead of revalation and experience. Now if that is reconcilable with your faith, then your faith is based on excercising reason and not revalation and faith as you stated earlier. Originally posted by Bakar: Unfortunately, I don’t possess intellectual ability needed to venture distinction between rationalism and empiricism school of thoughts. According to my understanding, the former uses human intellect for exploring the intelligible entities (unseen) which is beyond our observation, while the later requires human senses to investigate tangible entities, that is, the seen world. Neither am i claiming the possession of the intellectuality needed to venture ,but the TWO (empiricism and rationalism ) contradict each other in terms of gaining knoledge, where the first relys on the power of reasoning and the latter relys solely on the power of experience. It goes without saying that empiricism and faith are not the same, your earlier statement was faith and reason(rationalism). So yes, when i say they don´t go hand in hand that was a conjecture from my part, becouse of the reasons i stated above. Having avoided the scientific data aquired , you still have to reason ,experience or faith your way out of ignorance .don´t you think so

Very intresting List Castro !! Such a wifie sure comes with a manual !!

This is very intresting !! something smugger , when talking to Jumatatu & freinds .. btw .. how do you pronounce a k + w , some phonetics would be very helpful Asante sana rafiki ( the from the lion king )

What is this SKY? A charecter assasination ala SOL? It´d be something if you atleast had a better warlord to promote. on a level SKY ... lighetn upp !!

Originally posted by Sharmarkee: Salaam, That was hell of a course I tell you!! Count me in though. Welcome onboard 7 0F 9 , Ceebla and Sharmarkee. Something tells me that we´re better off , with you guyz beeing around . Apart from the systems, languages ,compilers, technologies etc etc we´ll discuss , i´d like to to start with something as simple as "Menu"s on Somali hardware|Software naming and the Somali language. I´m sure all of you had encountred the thought of converting a component, a hardware device,a peice of software , an application or a whole system to Somali. Is it me alone or you guyz have come to terms with that hinder ? file = roughly feyl edit = what? you getting my point

Homosexuality existed in the human society since stone age, so denying it is nothing but putting dark glasses with a peep hole. to call it natural is the sense of human sexuality is way too generalizing though. as it would sound if heterosexuality was only a matter of taste n choice, having said that , we can´t abolish the fact that it is somehow natural ( a natural disorder if u like ) becouse scientifically the gender defination is not a clear-cut naturally|biologically as male beeings are equipped with both an opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal and an organ of copulation in higher vertebrates, homologous with the clitoris. In mammals, which also serves as the male organ of urinary excretion. it goes without saying that there are inviromental|social factors that parttake in the cause and effect of what is generally termed as homosexuality. Now waether one likes or dislikes is personal, but the two following ideas 1:that homosexuality is a behavior -- something that one does. It is a chosen lifestyle which is abnormal, unnatural, changeable, hated by God, a mental disorder and/or an addiction. 2:that homosexuality is a sexual orientation -- something that one is. It is an unchosen orientation which is normal and natural for a minority of adults, fixed, accepted by God, neither a mental disorder or an addiction. It is caused by a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality which it triggered in young children by some unknown element in the environment. Now considering myself a normal hetrosexual male the latter of the ideas speaks my language. By doing so , have i made myself an attractive object to the homo/lesbians and bisexuals,and Tran ? i dnt think so.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: JB , O ye of little faith? Xiin.. i thought the subject was bigger than lil me n my beleif. i´m in it wholeheartedly for the benifit of all. i thought exploring the borders of our beleif|faith can only make it more solid than shake it´s foundations|existence. i could be wrong though. i´m of the idea that we rather have a faith based on solid grounds , instead of a mere possibility becouse i beleive in facts and realities speaking for themselves , thus surviving myth n lies.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Count on me guys, I am in this field as well. We coulden´t ask for better Xiin, welcome bro!!

Originally posted by Ducaqabe: JB: You were told about this and you haven't witnessed? No offense but the story sounds phony. I can't see this happening at my local mosque. I was told by a female who was there and the the whole city was talking about it , no secret there. I´ve better things fo rmyself than posting phony posts on SOL. it my sound unbeleiveable to you that it took place , but i is a fact, amazing isen´t it?

Originally posted by Geel_jire: actually, bro im doing that course now,Microproccesser and Assembly Language. i also hope to use, embedded systems, in my final year project, which is coming near ..., hey, if anyone knows Assembly,i need a bit help. Bro , unless you´re talking about an assaignment or that sort of help. shoot it . it´ds be intresting to look back or get updated. but if you´re in the middle of an assaignment or under time pressure .. i suggest you turn to other quicker sources, like books, examples etc etc . Assembly books a lil thumb rule : use pseudo code first then n only then push n pop . master the Hex ,decimal equivalent. have a clear picture of your code in your head b4 you typ eanything.

Let us see if A/yousuf can beat Morgan in the border crossing Marathon. I bet 100 SEK on A/yousuf and his Puntland militia will last longer becouse of Mohammed dhere, and morgan will retain his title as the champ.

Originally posted by Bakar: Mr. JB First, I am not physicist, nor am I depicting myself as pseudo-intellectual. However, there are those who use paradoxically the term "Science" while rejecting or refuting creationsim on the basis that it is bereft of "scientific proof". Science is a well defined subject, but i do agree with you that it can be diffrently comprehened. just like you and me. Originally posted by Bakar: It is human propensity to conceptualize differently and form categories for which they specify their experience. Here I will take the term science as an example, and how some people use its definition for various reasons. For example, we have been witnessing how some folks in this thread attempted to bring evolutionism under banner of pure scientific knowledge. In other word, they say that theory of evolution holds scientific evidence, meaning that it can’t be proven to be otherwise. . Stop, hold it right there Bakar, you got that all wrong sxb. this is either a prove that you were not reading or caring what we post or you just have missed it . 1:evolution theory holds scientific facts. please if you haven´t read or are not familiar with it , try to read it for yourself (ama give you Dawrins´s original text at the end of my post) 2:It can be proven wrong or strengthned, that is what is so good about science and scientific theories, unlike creationism´s undiscussable stand scientific theories are provisional. Originally posted by Bakar: According to my understanding, when such thing is said to be a "fact" or true, the implication is that we can not think of any thing opposite; and hence everthing else is opionion. Wrong again !! on the contrary , once confronted with facts YOU´re supposed to take it or leave it, but if you leave it , you´re supposed to share your new found (unknown to thers) facts and present it for human comprehension|evaluation etc etc. All ideas can´t be wrong or right at a given time in a given place under a given circumstance. Bakar, you´ve asked a almost diffrent question in almost every post, but thus far , you haven´t presented a single line where you tell us why creationism is the correct theory. so far we´ve ONLY been discussing science (sometimes in details)and the evolution theory. Originally posted by Bakar: Can we say evolution is science? Because, according to definition of the word "science", subject of the origin of life and the universe is outside the scope of human observation and, therefore, does not technically come under the definition of science per se. Since no human was present to observe life and the universe coming into existence by chance or evolution. I dnt know how many times we´ve to go through this , but what the heck , evolution is a process and the "evolution theory" is a scientific theory ,is that clear enough? now am sure you dnt wanna ask a Q like like "Is science a process"? No human was probably there when the moon (was placed) took that position where it is located and we find out the distance Originally posted by Bakar: Similarly, no human was present to observe life and the universe coming into existence by design or creation. The later does not need scientific proof. Why? This is where faith and human reasoning provide answers to these question: Where do we come from? Where are we going? Who are we? What is our purpose? Faith and human reasoning can not walk hand in hand there sxb, actually the power of reasoning or Rationalism is used to wipe out many if not all creationistic claims. so your answers are soley based on faith which is a deadly substitute for a thought. Originally posted by Bakar: So if evolution is neither science nor faith, then what is it? If my memory serves me well, you, yoursefl, are tentative to say the true defintion of science fits theory of revolution. In fact I posed a similar question in my first post. Since an intelligent power was behind the origin of life and the universe, scientific evidence from genetics, biogenesis, thermodynamics, information theory, laws of probability, and other areas of science better support faith in creation than chance or evolution. And there we differ, so,please for the 1st time in this debate share with us , how an intelligent designer is behind it and what made you come to that conclusion.? Science and scientific evidence present a true blue fact , a reality that evolution theory is partially a fact untill proven otherwise. but creationism and creation theory lack scientific evidence. unless you present one it´d be like bribing science to assume creationism without proving. To wrap it sxb , Evolution theory had survived a century old scientific challenge, while creation theory sentenced millions to death when they questioned it´s robustness. Drwin wrote: "THE AFFINITIES of all the beings of the same class have sometimes been represented by a great tree. I believe this simile largely speaks the truth. The green and budding twigs may represent existing species; and those produced during each former year may represent the long succession of extinct species . . . The limbs divided into great branches, and these into lesser and lesser branches, were themselves once, when the tree was small, budding twigs; and this connexion of the former and present buds by ramifying branches may well represent the classification of all extinct and living species in groups subordinate to groups . . . From the first growth of the tree, many a limb and branch has decayed and dropped off, and these lost branches of various sizes may represent those whole orders, families, and genera which have now no living representatives, and which are known to us only from having been found in a fossil state . . . As buds give rise by growth to fresh buds, and these, if vigorous, branch out and overtop on all a feebler branch, so by generation I believe it has been with the Tree of Life, which fills with its dead and broken branches the crust of the earth, and covers the surface with its ever branching and beautiful ramifications" (Darwin, 1859). The Origin of Species

Bashi (garaad), now that you heated it up it´s easier to bash the weaker gender to boost our questioned manliness. I´d like to make it spicy and mention the feared male qualities that many "girlie" men here failed to mention. 1:A manly man,never worries about the future until he gets a wife. 2:A manly man,must understand another man a lot and like him very little. but must love a girlie girl a lot and not try to understand her at all. 3:A manly man,when married to a girlie girl live longer than single manly men, becouse they know how long it takes b4 the next one takes his place. 4:A manly man,when rejected by a girlie girl beleives that she really wants him , but playing hart to get. 5:A manly man calls his own name when having an orgasm. Now the only tough girlie girl i know is a one who rolls her own tampons.

A redefination of what is manly is badly needed. If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race, you're a male chauvinist. If you stay home and do the housework, you're a pansy. If you don't work enough, you're a good-for-nothing bum. If she gets a job ahead of you, it's equal opportunity. If you mention how nice she looks, it's sexual harassment. If you keep quiet, it's male indifference. If you cry, you're a wimp. If you don't, you're an insensitive ******* .. Men have always been how women describe ,m ,not the wolves we really think we are

Islamic trojan? lemme know when a budhist one shows up. i´ve lots of desire to get rid off

Originally posted by Bakar: JB and SB I am yet to see any proof or refutation in direct relation to this topic. On the contrary, the whole discussion resorted to discrediting intellectual figures such Yahya, who invested all his time in refuting and explaining logical shallowness and distortion of claiming that all life evolves from simple structure. Again I am asking you: How can a scientist believe aformentioned process takes place without any relation to the Law of Universe? The underpinning of science is that everything has a cause, yet how can an act of genuinely free will be caused? Likewise, how can any chance event, i.e. one that is uncaused ? When confronted with these dilemmas, natural scientists twist and turn with arguments that virtually always amount to denial of the phenomena of free will and chance. z/font> Salamatiin Dear Bakar !! First, Mr"intellectual" Yahya is your source ,therefore we´ve to verify|evaluate his(your)assumptions regrding the 2nd law , unless you´re asking us to swollow it and shut up. The 2nd law or as it is know sometimes (the mother of all Murphy's Laws)which your source uses as a contradicting prove against evolution per se will neither make you a die-hard scientist|naturalist or a die-hard creationist|religious. The fact of the matter is becouse of the 2nd law about the direction of energy flow life is possible and weird enough becouse of the 2nd law life is always under constant threat. Having said that, the question why life and every living(non-living)thing is under contant threat of disorder or(decaying) is not fairly, scientifically adressed by your source and his creationistic approch where we´re told that we´ve to die (things have to decay)becouse we must go through God´s Exams of what we´ve done during our lifetime and how faithful we were to our him/her. but there a possibility that is the case. Where science and physics tell us that the 2nd law is purely enegery-oriented the more localized the longer a thing survives the more spread the less a thing survives. Every organic chemical of the 30,000 or more different kinds in our bodies that are synthesized by nonspontaneous reactions within us is metastable. All are only kept from instant oxidation in air by activation energies. (The loss or even the radical decrease of just a few essential chemicals could mean death for us.). Living creatures are essentially energy processing systems that cannot function unless a multitude of "molecular machines", biochemical cycles, operate synchronically in using energy to oppose second law predictions. All of the thousands of biochemical systems that run our bodies are maintained and regulated by feedback subsystems, many composed of complex substances. Now in terms of what we can and can´t know the latter seems appealing unless some of us enjoy a somehow higher and advanced hman senses:D What we want to beleive is a matter of our choice which is trivial i.e scientifically un intresting. If you favor your source´s meterialization on the 2nd law becouse the disorder in the enegry flow is predecided and coded by an Intelligent designer without further presentation of how it might be so then so be it , maybe some of us are celestial, who knows , but don´t tell us that scientists |naturalists twist and turn the truth , it is the other way around . science and Scientists present facts and realities and leave it for the taking ,yes there is chance and a will,Scientists never deny that, but becouse there is a chance an assumption is not necessarily true, and there seems to be where the it itches.

She´d be happy that i was not a jurying. If i say i´ve dated prettier i woulden´t be laying. Not that i wanna spoil your moment of glory becouse she beeing a Muslim, if that is the gist in it, but England with that kina miss Egnland won´t end 11th. eh , who am i kidding , i never saw a cute british chick no matter where she originates from.

Well well well ,,, we seem to have had our project kick off party already CSC or CC that is the question Geel_Jire .. i think we can use this corner for all computer related fuculties and IT even IT seles management/salesmanship etc etc . We may start with systems embedded or not , what do you think? but Liibaan, What do u study ? mind sharing?

Originally posted by Bakar: JB, The law of entropy holds that the entire universe is unavoidably proceeding towards a more disordered, unplanned, and disorganized state. Bakar, I dnt know or heard about that Yahya b4 today , but if you atleast are familiar with phycics, you´d laugh at your source´s idiocy to cut short and Falsify Darwin´s theory with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Harsh i may sound but his materialization on the The Second Law of Thermodynamics as a disprove to Darwin´s theory is way too ridiculous. First , The Second Law of Thermodynamics is based on human experience What it simply says is : Hot frying pans cool down when taken off the stove and ofcourse your example Iron rusts (oxidizes) in the air why? becouse Energy spontaneously disperses from being localized to becoming spread out if it is not hindered from doing so. not becouse Evolution is wrong and there is start and finish for mother earth becouse it´ll be wrapped as a carpet. As you can see it is the spreading of the energy that causes the coolness of the frying pans. entropy = the measurement of the spontaneous dispersal of energy: how much energy is spread out in a process, or how widely spread out it becomes — at a specific temperature. Now how on earth can that measurement falsify the Evolution theory? it goes without saying that it least helps creationisim just becouse energy is spreadable. Originally posted by Socod_badne: Some have a nack of reducing serious matters into trivialities. i coulden´t agree more !!

And What amout is suitable to be called a relief aid in your vocabulary , that could go a non-Muslim state ? or is it maybe just maybe the ppl of New Orleans are less worth the money of a Muslim state?