Proud one , Did you wtite these artciles yourself ? so we can comment. if not , naming the source is requisite.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^^ I don't know where all these new Somalis in Newham came from, saaxib. A couple of years ago there were hardly in Somalis in that borough!Damn qaxootis, coming to your area and stealing our housing and jobs. :mad: DA, Sucaad sheekadeed ega daa..taa habaar bay qabta... Wonder how the neighbourhood looks like now , I´m sure "Qulam" from Pakistan has an eye for habaryar Hawo This i thought was a great thread.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Adna mid naga yeel: dood quus ah oo caata ah golaha ha keenin. Haddaad keento difaaco oo meel saar. Good Xiin, beleive me, beeing irrational in Somali is just as fallacious

Legend, may you get stronger of the gloom a loss of a father brings with it. I too lost a father once , but who is an expert on loosing one?

Originally posted by Baashi: By_the_way, I was very careful not to foam in the mouth ala she-camel . I just like my graad !! A feminist at her best can ONLY get macho enough to roll her own tampongs .(just a metaphor) Aeronwen, sooner or later someone is gonna toss a verse or two at you, so i thought i better wrap ya with this cost-effective plastic bag project of mine. Rosa(Lilith ),the most important femme fatale of mankind lore. God creates Adam and Rosa from the same dust of the earth and at the same time Now follow closely because this is where it starts to get confusing, and where the debate rages even with scholars of the SOL. When the time comes to engage in coitus and fulfill the first commandment Rosa demands that she be allowed to straddle Adam and be on top,a proposition that Adam vehemently refuses, in response to which Rosa curses Adam and his seed and vows to steal the seed of mankind forever (Rosa is blamed for all nocturnal emissions, aka wet dreams). It is at this point that God sees Adam is alone and decides that it is not good for him to be alone and creates Eve(Sara Cox) from his body as a servant and helpmeet to him. Now, can anyone demand a more sorbile of it for easy consumption?

The Dragon In My Garage by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all ?

Good Xiin, aftre serious consideration i´ve decided NOT to debate you for the following reason: A lack of reciprocal understanding of the purpose of the debate. Good Xiin, your burning intrest and your intellectual curiosity are noted , but are neither good enough for me to engage you, nor presuassive enough to convince anybody to parttake a debate where one is NOT supposed to construct a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition.,for validation and evaluation. Xiin, i´ve to admit though , your last post made me tempted.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ You disappoint me. You really do, Johnny. There I was quaking in my dacas, asking myself what sort of witchcraft will John-ka hit you with, now that he's heated up nice and proper. Enjoy your Iftaaa...... that's my bad, almost said Iftar(what was I thinking !), Enjoy your kvällsmat/middag [/quote Very articulate one might think !! Kashfa, you´re right , i ´ve been too kind to write it on your nose ( as we say it here). If you refuse to accept a statement, and justify your refusal by criticizing the person who made the statement, then you are guilty of abusive ad hominem example: " Johnny .. you speak about religious matters.... and i KNOW you lack religion like Stalin". instead of critizing me, the saturday evening, the drinking , and everything you could think of Johnny doing on an evening like this , you simply could have challenged my assertions, and saved us a sigh. calm down Kashafa, there is no conspiracy against what you consider "religious" ppl from what you consider "non-religious" ppl who possess a powerful witchcraft. and beleive me this hasen´t even put me into mood of warming up. How do you know that i´m not a secret agent of the eNuri troops? Even if i abandon the clit chopping buisiness and the pro abortion stand, still i could make you wet by simply holding you for your unjustifieable cold blooded murder of the Jamaican boi, i won´t even do that , just stay on track and stop firing around you. P/s ,, thanks .. it´s actually "köttbullar med mos and lingon och vit vin" ,am having for dinner Enjoy your Iftar and the rest of the evening !!

Kashafa, hold it right there !! I´m everything but SOL's reigning intellectual. I neither claimed nor do i intend to. The only unforgivable lapse here is your ad hominem . Hang on with me here. I could have a fallacy in my statement according to your answer if and only if i stated Hitler or Stalin were right, i cappito? Here is your stance: Far waa wayn: Abortion is a far more henious crime than FGM. Cutting of a hand, a foot, or a clitoris for that matter can never come close to ending sacred life. ...I'd have the family shoot the Jamaican dude(who impregnated her with his vile najaasah) dead. It can be 'fixed' so that he's another black statistic. It's very doable, runtii Now neither me nor Stalin or Mother goose can help you out.

^^ Kashfa,This about you and your stance and you even lack a solid support from your religion, so don´t drug in Stalin or Lenin for that matter. what could your point be? 1:Hitler killed so i chop my lil daughters clit? 2: Stalin too killed so i too kill the Jamaican guy she slept with? ARE you insane? And as for the "check and balance" or should i say "chop and balance" you claim religion brings about, i´d say The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.

Originally posted by Kashafa: Viking, I understand where ur coming from, that violence isn't always the answer, but extreme circumstances call for extreme measures, unfortunately. There's an ayah that says "Wa lakum fil Qisaas xayaatun". I advocated the use of violence only in this specific case: unfortunately or fortunately ? It is usually when men/women are at their most religious that they behave with the least sense and the greatest cruelty.

Good Xiin, let us assume that yo´re quite right about my closeness to the baking sun, but since you use and live by , but regretably don´t honor logic and deductive reasoning, how could anyone of us slice through all obfuscation in the subject of debate to come to bedrock? worse , how anyone of us could satisfy the audience? I don´t know where Satan might be by now , nor do i care or sympathize with him( if he exists), but here i am regarding nature as primary and thought as a property ,or function of matter, and there you are having strict adherence to preconceived assumption ,guarded by closed senses, that may make you look meek enough in the sphere of the convirted philosophy that deliberately blosters the status qou., but is way too absurd for any free thinking open minded person. what a debate where you throw some verses at me and i send it back with contradicting verses would lead to?

Good Xiin, from my point of view you´re just as formidable as Brother Nur,so spare the meekness. but it would be unfair to debate you, woulden´t it?. This is Nur´s Invitation,but i can´t help wondering, what would your intention be? 1:to debate my famouse comment? 2:to entertain me on any account of the Nur´s 5 points? 3:to pick any assumption that we disagree on and you KNOW of it? 4:to break your sawmacah with JB and blame him forever? Xiin, i´ve survived your ad logicam so your ad hocs are well appreciated. Bro Salifi,we wait, just to make you satisfied

NPD, Ooooooh mama !! Girl,Tiramisu and all heaven in your mouth, more than Perugina Bacci is what i get for you. I get Umbari and 'La dolce vita' stories !! Khashafa sis, What happened to brother Nur? Gone for Ramadan? Wasen´t it Ramadan when i left? Anyhoo, too tired to stare at your lenses, I need Cherry & shower !

Yeah .. JB is back !! sono bronto , Please can someone play Eye of the tiger yeah , "Risin' up, straight to the top Have the guts, got the glory Went the distance, now I'm not gonna stop, Just a man and his will to survive " chorus : The eye of the tiger (repeats out)...

SB, ofcourse i am afraid! look at who i´ve to put up against plus the handicap the house rules impose. Don´t you worry SB, just wish me a nice trip , am back in 10 days , and despite the circumstances i promise you , you´ll enjoy every minute of the disarmament of the eNuri troops.

Oh Bashi , My Graad ,, you beat me by posting the minute earlier. Anyhow, i liked the dialogue, specially this: Originally posted by Baashi: OB: Well I guess u r right but look on the bright side of things. Ya see, I call what u refer as muran an uncomfortable conversation that must happen.

Brother Nur ! First, i´ve to admit that i feel deeply honored and heightened by your personal invitation. second, i don´t think i´ll survive a deep and densely theological dialogue with you. last but not least a dialogue between JB and Nur woulden´t be just JB & Nur, i.e am afraid i´ve to decline your invitation, and thank you for your attention. Not that it matters or brings about your thoughts and noble intention ,but It was sister(ukhti) Proud Muslimah that i was adressing and my original statement was: your comprehension of the ethical, logical, rational, and sensual fallibility of your source is beyond your initial impression. P/s .. yet another crucial reason to decline the noble invitaion of brother Nur,i´m leaving for Italy on Friday. once again thanks Nur .. n am sure you gonna enlight me one of,m days, I´m sure am gonna catch your valueable attention again.

Originally posted by Taqwa: Athena, Ilahay baan kugu darshee ma jawaab baad iga suugaysa? I'm doing my utmost best to pretend you don't exist. Athena, can be tyrannically oppressive sometimes !! long live the little people's revolution.

Originally posted by *Proud_Muslimah*: My initial impression is that the Hadith is either a fabrication or it has been taken out of context. The way the hadith has been put is as though the prophet spoke of women in an ill and derogatory manner that deserves a standing ovation !! Proud one ,Though i caught the scent of submission in your post, i´ll go ahead and collide with myself ( as we say it here ). Yes, I´ve read your post, and yes,i´ve trouble understanding English, but asking me "how do i know that there are no male 'hur al ain' " again is like asking me what the Quran says about eunuchs?. And if the answer to the question why more women than men have to burn in the Hell-fire, by the will of a compassionate and just God is becouse they´re ungrateful to their husbands, then Your comprehension of the ethical, logical, rational, and sensual fallibility of your source is beyond your initial impression , it comsumes more brain cells and a cincere willigness to accept and live by the truth. I´ve enjoyed it, n am almost sure it was mutual

Originally posted by Socod_badne: What is the answer to my question?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? SB, don´t bother !

Originally posted by *Proud_Muslimah*: [QB] Peace JB, In order to get a clear understanding for the reason behind this...you need to study the rights a husband and a wife have over eachother![/QB Proud one ! I really like your style , full engagement with all due respect , civility and atriculateness is in order. But your presentation of what was supposed to be a vivid account of the reason of the reason of why more women have to burn in Hell-fire, by the will of a compassionate and just God turned out to be too frail to stand the test. In islam no diffrence between the genders ,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] In islam equal obligations towards each other,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] in Islam God adresses both genders to promote equality,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] In Islam both men and women are forbidden to abuse each other,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] women got better rights compared to the old arab culture,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] in Islam men are a degree above women,therefore women should be 'grateful to men? [check] in short, CHECK to everything you said. Proud one, my delima is .. where is the reason of the reason that says Women must be grateful to men ? due to the absence of the reason of the reason,i´m tempted to dare you try and see if you have better chance passing Dante´s Inferno test than beeing 'grateful' to men to end in a compassionate and just God´s Jannah. Since , you concluded asking the same question as Abrar, i feel the necessity to explain myself more and even state the obvious before you guys start beleiving that i´m of the idea that Paradise is a place of sexual romp . 1: Islam is solely based on what is in the Quran and the prophets Hadiths, right? wrong!! 2: there are no male 'hur al ain' for the god fearing sisters becouse neither the Quran nor a hadith mention it, simple huh?! 3: when you say : So what if it's not mentioned in the Qur'an? I don´t agree with you ,( it may even put you on a collision course with the wadads) 4: but when you say : a woman CAN choose to have a hurul'ain if she desires i DO agree with you. still contradictory? rethink , n lemme witness a mirth. with that i hope i´ll skip another "HOW DO YOU KNOW" question again. Does anyody understand Brother Kheyr? cause i don´t. Abrar sis , accept my appology for mistakenly addressing you as a brother and for my inane commemnt, ,It´s so tempting though, to ask which of them stung?. Sister Abrar,My problem is the arabic touch in the names,I can´t gender filter the non "usual", typical somali names. Now before you throw that raw deal in my face ,can i protest wildly and argue, To dictate such a deal, i´ve to have insulted your intelligence to the extent that every post of mine has triggered a sigh . not becouse,there is no verse or hadith that says there are no male hur al ain in Jannah or there are a male hur al ain in Jannah. And i don´t have to worry much about your sixth sense.

Originally posted by *Proud_Muslimah*: As you can see, the reason for why women will be the majority in the hell-fire is not "just because they are women" but rather because of how they are ungrateful to their husbands. Proud one , To be frank , i don´t like the idea of this particular gender namely Women beeing the majority in the hell-fire, but what i like or dislike is personal so i can live with it. What raises my eyeborrow is that the reason YOU give "they´ll be thrown in hell-fire becouse they´re 'ungrateful' to their hubbies." Now is that sound argument? I give you the last word there Originally posted by *Proud_Muslimah*: JB, since you already KNOW that a woman CAN choose to have a hurul'ain if she desires then what's your problem? :confused: So what if it's not mentioned in the Qur'an? If we already KNOW that we can, isn't that good enough? :confused: A slight misunderstanding is in order sis, i know woman canmake a choice but you´re missing the point ,a Male 'Hur al ain' is not on the Menu. Sister , my point was all the time , No Male hur al ain are mentioned in the Quran or in the hadith therefore the sisters are left a choice shorter, i hope you see my point now. Proud one , I do agree with you women should have a male hur al ain if they wanted to , but since it is not mentioned in the Quran , it looks like you and i are making it up , but i do agree with you , it should be obvious that if Men can have female Hur al ain , so can women have a male hur al ain. MUHAMMED ... Adna Aragti dheeri ku daayay (GRAAD)!!

Originally posted by Jumatatu: Talk about a weird scientist and you can bet that Johhny B will pop up somewhere...wonder what is the link in here..? :confused: What are you implying you lil Sujui chimp? that i n Foxy should be placed in a Zoo next to the Apes with a sign that says : Man ? Man you haven´t seen me cumb Foxy´s hair real fast. Originally posted by Foxy: I bet with the exclusion of less geeky scientists hanging around, it would also yield a whole new outlook to the above experiment. Originally posted by Foxy: Which is why I would like to know: If you put a group of scientists in a room with a whole lot of bees and some paintings, How man times will the scientists get stung? Now there's somehting worth finding out. The outcome of such an experiment could be anything , but a crucial factor would be the number of armbits of the female scientists who can´t be without a prefume plus the few male african scientists whose oudor suffocates the Bee PS i´ve one single thing against the Dutch , they´re so liberal and drug freindly that you can´t tell if their artist is a genius or just high .

Originally posted by Salafi da'wa: Brother Jb, the fact remains, no one has seen a hur al Ain since they are mates prepared for the people of paradise. Lets not guess. Brother SALAFI, Are you telling me not to beleive in 'Hur ain' becouse no one has seen them? or are you telling me that since no one has seem them they could be male or female or BOTH? Brother Salafi, I´m not guessing anything , i just stated a Question. Why there are no MALE 'hur al ain' for the god fearing sisters.? Originally posted by Abrar: JB...As far as this issue of hur-al-ain that you seem to be fixated on is concerned, well, you're trying to challenge the nomads without having sound evidence to back up your statements. For the 10th time, how do you know there will be no male hur-al-ain present in Jannah? As Muslims, we only know that which Allah, the all Mighty, has revealed to us and that which He has a secret from us, only He knows and it is not for us to make insinuations of any sort. Bro Abrar, you´re deliberately making merry in your OWN coarseness. You´r beeing told that the Quran doesn´t mention a male 'hur al ain' and you keep asking ME to answer how do i know that? am sorry if i assumed wrong, but i thought you were kicking from a theist´s corner. You see i´m not trying to challenge the nomads , the Quran is doing that.