^^ Again another fraudulent attempt on Socod_Badne´s persona instead of his excellent view-points, devoid of subject matter and a much needed sincerity. As usual, sputtering juggernaut and full of flagging views good Xiin appeals to our gullibility , particularly the emotions of all those whose views were trembled and bulldozed by SB´s vivid and rigorous posts. Good Xiin , now that you worded the application of the quasi-Sharia where you stone people to death instead of the 100 lashes mentioned in the Quran as a prophetly act hence 'sunnah' and islamic smell more like an Arabic tradition . and in the light of the contradiction that raises from what Allah says in the Quran and what the prophet does can only leave a huge swath of middle ground, needlessly to mention the deep chasm between 100 lashes and stoning to death . we´d like to see how you justify the killing for having a different faith, that would surely symbolize your willful disdain of reality. Any objective analysis will conclude that the reason good Xiin and other indivituals are attacking SB´s persona is becouse he presented a strong view about the subject matter and supported it raionally,and that left SB´s opponents so terrified of dealing with what the loss of their views meant to their personal views of the faith, so attacking his persona is more of realizable than rebutting SB´s vivid points. Good Xiin , though i´m used to your judgemental attitude ,you made me ( and every reasonable person ) gag every time you pretentiously tried to cut a swath., It is pusillanimous if not dishonest for an observant forum co-user to say otherwise.

SB, many including myself do appreciate the way you handle the cheap ad hominem shots targeted at your persona to undermine,discredit and distort you from the powerful ideas you present. furthermore you have not only banged the excellent ideas in their heads , but you also gave them reason to open their minds becouse minds are like parachutes,they only function when widely open. And If they don't think that critical thinking and logic are good methods for determining what to believe, let them make an attempt to convince you and the world of that without using logic, none has even bothered to try yet.

So , an innocent human life is about to persih becouse a man for some personal reason finds Jesus more trustworthy than Mohamed. Now, if the Islamic faith is based on free and convenient doctorine that you freely come into of your own conveniency and stay out of it of your own inconveniency as there is no compulsion in the religion , then the notion "Islam is a peaceful ,self-explanatory, roubust and true religious faith " would inquestionably prevail , but since you enforce the Faith by the grimmest punishment possible instead of it´s clarity, intellectual persuasiveness , practical cogency and self-explanatory devineness , it is irreconcilable with the above notion.. you can´t frankly know what is really in the minds of the people, period. Human conscience is not available for penal judgement. With such a grim punishment as an enforcement of a religious faith , you´ll have to think that life is not a precious and a valueable thing but a fucntion of a vague idea. I understand the psycological effect that punishment can have on the beleivers , and unless one is batting an embarrassing zero, properly understood, some Sharia laws beeing applied here are the most cogent force for devoting oneself to un-islamic life as ever conceived.

^ yeah,it was about time, congrats Khayr. hope Jr and Mom are healthy & whole.

^^ and 3 seconds of my (night ) time. but Naden´s laughter compensated me

Originally posted by Khadir: Asalamu Alaykum, Allah says in Surah alnisa [4.3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.] What does the "or what your right hands possess" mean in this context? a female Slave?

A thought is process or part of a process of thinking , there are diffrent types of thinking , our brains are always thinking even when we beleive that we´re at ease or idle, since thinking is an endless process , the result or the outcome of our thinking (our thoughts ) is of crucial to our intellect. Intellectual integrity is our only hook to pure 100% sanity, but that integrity is under constant attack and only defense we got is to think critically, but becouse thinking critically is such a tough hard work for the everage, we(human beeings) give in too often to the readily (oftenly) flawed thoughts of others ( this means everybody is literally a bit " ko ko "), but that is natural , so no worries there Poor thinking leads to wrong and undesired conclusions which in turn yields undesired consequences while good thinking leads to the desired conclusions , hence a successful process (thinking). During the process of critically thinking you´ll be distorted by a wide variety of external and internal factors , very often the internal Demons are far more freightening and worse than the externals and bad habits are number one internal factor. there are lots of flawed thinking avaiable for the taking ,hence credulity which is an addictive habit. A dedication to nothing but the Truth ( Conformity to fact or actuality ) is an essentiality for critical thinking. every time you tell someone a lie or even think of anything less than the absolute truth you´re indulging in deceptive behaviour, to actually lie means you´ve to conceive it and that means you´ve to mentally construct it in your own mind first, hence cultivating the untruth in some corner of your own mind, repeat it often and you´ll end up having an extremly cluttered mind. Why do we need to think critically? since we can´t know everything and be everywhere we´re subject to external thoughts (ideas) from others which we´ve to digest as second-hand knowledge ( am considering first hand knowledge to be what we personally know) , we´ve to think critically to digest the second-hand knowledge, and that is not as easy as it sounds. To critically think of the complecated claims and the strong arguments beeing made in the second-hand Info , you´ve to examine the claims and crtique the arguments by applying logic( the only tool) to verify , validate and evaluate the soundness of the arguments, remember it only takes one failure of intellectual integrity to corrupt one's thinking. Mankind has invented many more subtle crimes against Truth, wishful thinking is one , so don´t beleive for a minute that your intellectual integrity is safe and let your guard off, readily accepting thoughts , ideas or beliefs which have desirable consequences, but lack or have a little objective justification belies a failure of intellectual integrity. Now think of this and find out the logical fallacy in my thought process and share your thoughts about the fallacy with us , but never ask me weather i think of you as a critical thinker, becouse it is not my place to judge any other person. I cannot know what animates your beliefs of beeing a critical thinker, so I will not declare that any belief in beeing a crtical thinker is necessarily proof of low intellectual integrity. I would not even say that it suggests as much. This is a question each of us must answer privately.

Is there a possibility that polygamy encourages and somehow helps men develop emotionally and sincerely love all the four wives, or is it just a mating pattern in which male individual mates with more than one individual of the opposite sex, some sort of sexual quota adjustment?

ehem ehem !! Originally posted by Nayruus: Maxamed Dheere taariikhdiisa waa la yaqaan. Waa warlord dadka jowhar qori caaraddiis ku maamula; waanna danneyste naftiisa aad ugu roon. waa dhuuni qaate; waxana uu caabudaa doolarka. ...... There is no obligation to give notice of departure to a low grade hotel. and Originally posted by Nayruus: Mr. Dheere has a strong interest in nation building and so brillinatly able to see the big picture....we need strong people to take strong stands. A heroic image on the horizon!!! bro Nayrus and Mohamed dhere have alot in common!

Just make it possible and tranparent, i´ve neither time to be on the ground nor the time and know-how to coordinate, but i´d love to contribute a year of my coffe money and be a fader to a Somali kid or two.

^^kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk get outta here , you wanna me turn into a car mechanic? The thought of having oil drops on my bare chest, a dash on my muscles might turn some street freaks On but not a fine lady, Now how do you tame and train such a wild thing into ladyhood?

Sotic , time for one of your briliant soloutions man. JL has succeeded in planting a seed of doubt in my thought-process, now all of a sudden i´m thinking of Winter-tires becouse this Car and these slippery streets, she might as well end up in the bed-room of strangers.

^ Zafir,Man you did read every hint my lazy brain cells were making, so where are we going wrong? Is it about the fatherhood? nowadayz single-mother(ayeyo or habaryar)-raised girls who lack the caring rational father figure are everywhere. Are we paying the price of the absent fathers in the form of a freak in bed and a freak in street?

^^ Point taken Atheer , and beleive you me this girl is the kind of girl who could go and bring two dresses for comparation and asks you for an idea when you least expect it. Edit .. SOTIC,, man i could use your expertise , just expound on how you could decide to give every girl a chance without either your lil-man or sub-concious brain tilting?

Naden, That offer is so tempting, Fate is what you looking for and Yes i can stay reliable given that i´m both physically and intellectually stimulated. Originally posted by Digaale: Brothaz' get it together, if you looking for someone, look for someone with deen and similar goals and vision. (at least then you both have something to work towards) that's advice from uncle digale :cool: So you think the physical ingredience missing in the quantum mechanics theory is not necessary? I bet you never been together with a girl who causes traffic jams when she walks beside you. Ahura .. Only a scenario could depict what i need intellectual stimulation for and i can´t afford a too revealing scenario. Just imagine you having a wonderful sex (do it only if married )and relaxing in bed enjoying the the heavenly flashbacks of the act of love that took place when HE demands your attention and wants to talk about say soccer game.

^Go Yahoo Go, and u know what ?, she is everything but a heathen!. Below are her plain words and should say much about her self-perception , so u know her achile´s hile, Obviously you need one or two Fatzokaz and a dozen of that white dress, and never forget to wear a beard. Originally posted by WaTerLily: it reminds us that our body is temporary and we should focus on our souls.

I´ve been together with this girl for few months, she is younger than me 4 years , she get the looks you kill for etc etc , in short , she is all that ( in my test ), but she is not intellectually challlenging. At the begining , i diden´t realize this becouse my X was a hell of a beautiful mind.( it is my fault that she is gone becouse i cheated on her ) Now, i´ve come to a position where i´ve to make a decision weather to compensate my intellectual needs with her physical attractiveness or to give up her physical beauty becouse of her un stimulating intellectuality. why is it difficult to get someone with both ? Anybody up for a take?

It´s been known for long time that Cats are religious (mostly christians) and mouses are Agnostics, so nothing new there. what is intresting in this article is both what resides in the hearts of the Cats naturally and the color of the Cats. Black Cats has always been accused of working for Satan and were rejected in almost every religion except Budhism.

Originally posted by Yahoo_UK: and i thaught Bishaaro was not tat pretty .. maybe i'll spoil the party for u, tough i was condering tat LillyWater till i heard she was a bit too ****** ( deleted for good reason )... And who said beauty is in the eyes of somebody with Sirilankan gens? You heard Waterlily demanads a daily watering and you gave up? is been long ago since i gave up on all those aquatic herbs and moved on to Plastic.

Yahuu , So u mean , Johhny conveys a pretty playa while Yahoo connotes an ugly, fat and short capitalist? I got it sxb, so comradeship is the secret weapon of Castro, but that is not about it , what is so irresistable about him goes beyond that , Castro has a 'minweyn'( somebody who cooks cleans and calls you "hunno" ) and according to him, that is what triggers the lust and willingness of all those 'Minyar' just to beat his 'Minwayn' and go " i get better than what you´re used to ". Somalis give only to those who already got, On a second thought , Maybe the confirmation these 'minyars' are looking for can only be delivered by Castro since he has something to compare to, and that leavs you(Yahoo) n me(though i´m virtually engaged to the beautiful Bisharo) un-intresting, becouse no matter how low self-steam they got, all we can tell them is " girl,is your father a terrorist+ cause you´re a bomb".

This is unfair !!, Castro is having too many "minyar" candidates while these very candidates woulden´t gimme their numbers, And boi look at me Where am i going wrong ?

Somehing tells me to beleieve in unidentified flying objects spotting Somaliland , not the other way around.

Originally posted by Abraar: Johnny, I feel nothing but sympathy for you. You can laugh all you want, manipulate our words as much as you like, and employ as much sarcasm against Islam and Muslims as you can, but I (and all the Muslims here for that matter) know that there will come a day when you won't have such a privilege: A day when you will plea to your Creator with tears gushing out and fear, sorrow, despair, and regret overwhelming your soul; a day when you will wish to turn back the hands of time, when you will ask for another chance. Only on that day, it will have been too late, for you will have already chosen your eternal fate and there will be no going back......... .........I'm out! Stop ..stop..top..top....sighs heavily. What a sympathy, thanks, but no thank you, i think i´ll do alot better without that "sympathy" of yours. This, ladies and gentlemen is the kind of "sympathy" that is beeing pushed down to your throats in the name of the good. This sympathy is beeing used to derail and force threads that would normally take a natural path, Threads are beeing pushed into a specefic path with a single line of thinking and anyone of you who shows a sign of differing stance will be haunted and accused of beeing less pious and what not. The good thing is this site hosts far too many faithful Muslims who are peaceful and are so secure in their faith that they don´t need to haunt other Muslims or non-Muslims to feel good. Originally posted by Castro: It's not your business who believes in what. Muhammad (scw) said lakum diinakum waliya deen . Who are you, as 21st century cyber-mullahs no less, to call anyone a kaafir? Your words (probably your actions offline too) are nothing but contempt for others since without denigrating them you can't see yourselves in a positive light. These are telltale signs of an impotent mind and a heart darkened with sickness. .... My purpose in life is to help alleviate the suffering of my fellow man. Nuff said !!

Ducaqabe, you´ve been trying for too long, get it off your chest atheer,it is on the house! Beeing really religiously sensible is not tantamount to readily reaching for the handkerchief in first best chance. No wonder that none of your only two posts on this thread addresses the subject matter but willingly bite on Socod-Badne´s persona and mine. The tradition of empty cans is thriving Atheer, what was the topic again? We have "difficulties" "understanding" views that shake our foundation and ideologies of which our view point leans on not because of our sound Iimaan (ilaahay haku siiyo) but because we "lack" critical thinking skills and and we "lack" aptitude (pray aptitude for what)? Atheer, not only has a grim future befallen that sperm and egg, someone could simply have done mother Nature a fever. Atheer where is the contradiction in A becouse of lack of B? eh skip it, who am i kidding , i´m adressing Khashanre the politician. Back to the topic: Truley but sadly your narrow point of view is not shared by many Muslims on this thread, so keep categorizing people as you see fit , thus you can atleast try to hide the wickedness of your stand point.

This thread could have been more intresting,it´s philosophical question could of have been genuinely addressed, had it not been hijacked by few indivituals who by all means have to have their voice heard and their ideas unquestionably accepted as if they were the ONLY true Muslims on SOL. As you can all see it is not about debating a given subject matter, it is about personal harassment and name calling , and that is not a level i or any civilly minded person virtually descends to. These indivituals can´t civilly argue for their views so they poision the well and attack personally whoever utters a diffrent and coherent view. i can´t help but wonder what Kafaaxiye might have done now. these indivituals rather discuss and debate the persona and beleifs of anybody they see fit , i.e Socod-Badne´s persona my belifs Ahura´s name, Ibtisam´s persona and even Ayan Hersi´s life, instead of frankly contributing their view points and arguing possitively as to why their view is the correct one. Had they been of solid,robust and sound ideas they woulden´t need to do that , but unfortunately that is not the case. These indivituals doesen´t seem to understand how to critically think and obviously lack aptitude,so they´ve difficulties understanding views that rock and shake the very shaky ideology of which their weak view points lean on. to those indivituals i just say "BAH"!! This is not personal , but i´d difficulties trying NOT to laugh at the way sister Abraar unconsciously but proudly was contradicting herself by giving life both extrinsic and intrinsic meanings at the same time. In one hand she tells us that life has an absolute intrinsic meaning and that is to worship God,yet at the same breath she tells us that life has some sort of a foreordained extrinsic meaning which rationally defeats the first. here is how: If life has an absolute intrinsic meaning and that is what God wants (God always gets what he wants),then God has spoken, right? wait a minute, if that is the case then how come human beeings can extrinsically override the absolute intrinsic meaning of life imposed by God?... a tip: maybe God wants us to use this ability of giving our lives a meaning of our own or maybe life has never had an intrinsic meaning in the first place. Blaming sister Abraar is a side issue, becouse she is under the influence of the contrived philosophy that blosters the status quo,it is difficult to stand against the reactionary religious propaganda that is constantly beeing drummed into the unthinking minds, that tells her that she is nothing , her life has no meaning but to worship God and serve her eventual husband among other three females,that she can think as far as her nose but not further,she is threatened with a promise of helfire if she questions the essence of some of the imposed duties,she is told that her whole life is controled by other forces and all she can do is obey. And to keep her at bay she is told that invisible beeings are recording her deads so she can´t disobey. It is great that we´ve rule #7 of SOL.