It felt like a dèja vu , LST vissiting me at work, as we were having a company dinner. with Sweden, Ghana and the Macropodidaes( the surprise of the year) gone, we all supported France. Now that Brazil is on the Menu, i can't help but think of the match between Brazil and Croatia, Brazil haven't convinced me much as a team when the tough gets going.

We call a progressive Evolution of male vision to what you call perving, and yes i dare speak for Zii in this particular matter.

^hmmmmmmmmm, Valanteenah in 'Guntino'?!, somebody gimme imaginative-pills, you sure'd cause a traffic jam.

As a Swede i've been disappointed , i hope as an African i'll skip that .

I've seen a Somali girl wearing 'Dirac' and once wearing ' Guntino'. my advice to the sisters is "Guntino for the bucks ". 'Guntino' is hot !! Even though she was plump in my taste , she got every man´s attention, including mine.

According to HA , if you're Muslim you support this ( and whatever the Somali-Talibans do in Somalia), if you don't support, then you're not a Muslim? With such a stance and plain double moral HA pours more than 3/4 of Somalis into hell version of HA and his Somali-Talibans.

^ As if going to hell was not enough? btw, why are Jamilah, Waterlily and co are sending me to hell for what you(SB) do on SOL?

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: JB..You dont make sense!..You are not asking the soup question, it seems! For you, the right question is who? not where? once you accept the who Only then can you ask where! Am on to you man!!! Cheers ^ I feel busted !! Legend, I was on MCXamar's hypothetical conclusion, namley , "if he sends ppl to hell then he is there , so let's like it !" mentality.

Originally posted by Dhubad: Waaba ku dhafan rabtaa ma istiri, forumka oo dhan propogandho ayaad ka buuxisay.

I'd like to know what it takes for the man in question to persuade his wife to get genitally modified ( to get virgin after every delivery ), since he so believes in it.

Bilal, If i understand you right, all you're intrested in is an advice, so you can win your love´s heart and hopefully her parent's blessing and becouse of that you specifically need an inside info about 'Gandershe'people and their customs etc etc. My initial impression is your love is probably beautiful ,but not all that , since she is not from Borama, and all i can help you with is this gandarshe link , you may mail the webmaster , probably a Gendershe him/herself and ask for help there. ^Maybe you can spit out some qaldaan chat-up lines for him. hmmmm, What are you implying DD? wonders Dexter. Hint: Only Qaldans are for the picking when it´s about foreign guyz? Alot seems to be wrong with what you seem to imply DD , but then something tells me that you're an experienced wrong-doer.

Originally posted by MC Xamar: Regardless if God sends His creation to hell, He is still there , whether we like it or not. " There " ? Where? There = noun , a location other than here !

Originally posted by General Duke: Secular Somalia? The TFG is not a secular entity, but made up of clans who happen to be all Muslim. The TFG is made up of clans who happen to be Somalis and agreed to govern themselves on a Secular charter that they´ve negociated, not the "Sharia law" , though they´re all Muslims, DUH.

Jamilah , i've quoted Aristotle becouse he happens to have a good point regarding what we cal " TRUTH ", so don't wonder nomore, If i first disregard your fatal general assumption of Aristotle having more falsehoods associated with him than truths and buy your hint " Aristotle wa laga fican yahay ", i sure will do just fine , but maybe to your disappointment we've alot more to thank Aristotle for, and the Correspondence Theory of the Truth which holds till today is traced back to his defination about the truth , hence my quote, his definition offers a muted, relatively minimal version of a correspondence theory. There are many other big brains like Plato (Cratylus 385b2, Sophist 263b), Descartes 1639, ATII 597; Spinoza, Ethics, axiom vi; Locke, Essay, IV.v.i; Leibniz, New Essays, IV.v.ii; Hume, Treatise, 3.1.1; and Kant 1787, B82—Berkeley etc etc. Now, i do agree with you that Naden's general statement about some beliefs becomimg downright falsehoods in the light of increased knowledge holds tight, but it was unfair of you to lebel Aristotle as a man of falsehoods and thus judge him. From what i can tell making mistakes is an equal opportunity. Jamilah, please share what the recommendations of mr Sniper say about the Truth , if there is a base for comparation with my qoute of Aristotle.

I naturally am not for a Taliban Somalia , but i gather the era of warlordism is over in the land of clan H. In my view this is a worse obstacle for the TFG in general and for Col Yey in particular. In this very juncture, i support the TFG and anybody who stands for secular Somalia including Col Yey. I don´t beleive it was smart move from the TFG's warlord parliament to have voted YES for foreign troops at these sensitive times, i would like to see Somalis make up first, but now that they´ve voted , it´ll be intresting to see how it ends. It seems that Baydhabo is gonna be the battle ground.

Viking, I appreciate the effort bro , but i think that commentary to the verse left me in the dark when it highlighted what the verse refers to , namely the deeds and words of 'the disbelievers' said and done in a confused ignorance. And continues with the claim that those very ignorant and confused disbelievers have the knowledge that the Prophet is true and righteous. And yes i do agree with you that some people deny some reality ( Truth ),here i´m thinking of an OJ in court etc etc , but i don´t exactly know what you mean by "the Truth". Now, i understand that some people deny realities( truths )for personal or whatever reasons , but what i don´t understand is the relation between their refusal to grant the truth of the statements or allegations of the Prophet and the planing of the workings of the universe and all its fine-tuned physical laws. Viking, correct me if i´m wrong but how do you verify the Truth in the hypothetical notion that "If these selfish and ignorant creatures were to plan the working of the universe according to their desires, it would be a dreadful world, full of confusion and corruption." , i mean , for you to have that notion as a Truth? Cara, You too seem to take advantage of my sad situation of ignorance, but unlike some people your claims can be verified by even ME. Naden, ever since i read your post i sure have lost some brain cells , but not decayed , actually i look younger than my real age thanks to a ' non-aging gene' in the family. Guess what, sometimes i too wonder if a 'religion gene' exists and if some people (like me)are in dire need of it. As for the notion " some find comfort in faith doctrines more than others and feel less inclined to question whether these doctrine correspond to physical realities.", i coulden´t agree more , yes that seems to be the case. But according to almost all the religions i heard of , a Deity is trying to reach us and save us from ourselves and what not, but chooses to communicate with us through few choosen people, Cæteris paribus ?

I see each and everyone is busy sending his ruthless Warlord a smokie to make him look human. All of them are Warlords except Riyaale, don´t jump on me yet ,why is Riyale not a warlord? becouse he never owned Militia nor is he the President of Somaliland becouse he was selected by other warlords.

^ One less trouble for the people of Irak i say. Whoever on Somalionline that sympathizes with this man and his organization after what they have done to the Iraki civilians are out of their mind. Disagreeing with the occupation is one thing , killing Iraqis regardless their political/religious inclination is another.

Oh Zafir, i coulden't agree more , a proof is a proof and all u need is good one to make it proven !! Thanks Naden, As usual you've a possitive influence on my reality,You did understand me correctly, and that you disagree with me is natural and somehow expected , as i´m or seem to be always wrong , if i understand you correct, which i hope i do, even though you disagree with the notion that ' Truth must somehow correspond to fact or reality ' you don´t totally divorce Truth from Reality , but instead seem to somehow ' widen ? ' Reality to even include guessworks, likely but not certain realities. I do agree with you regarding the human limitations in time and space( I´m imagining myself sitting on a chair right next to ya ), but Naden what do you verify statements like " our individual existence is so limited in time and space " against, if not Reality?, simply put i´m agreeing with you becouse i can really verify that sort of human limitation to be a Fact That there are some ( trillions if u like ) of unknown or hidden facts to us today can only make us realise that we've limits and our truths are not the whole of Reality, but it doesen't make us realise that we can belive our way out of that fact.or reality. I a dore the way you think about your Truth Waterlily, No boundary is a real boundary unless tested to it´s limits, and to your surprise most of mankind are more content with less than half of what their limitation imposes knowledge-wise , and if you´re content now , i can surely tell you that you've lived far short within your limits Sniper , I'd love to read ibn Xajar,Al-nawawi , any of them developed a theory of Truth ? please i need recomendations to any of their works? Viking The verse " If the TRUTH had been in accord with their desires, truly the heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! Nay, We have sent them their admonition, but they turn away from their admonition.(Al-Mu'minoon 23:65-71) " is sure an intresting verse for those who understand who the "their" in their desires, reffers to and i am in no position to verify the truth of the trueness claimed in that ' heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! ' . Please help me out !!

Poor chaps !!

what is the Truth ? So many times have i been engaged in discussions (debates) with fellow 'SOLers' pushing what i apprehend to be the Truth and likewise been subject to my opponents version of the Truth , " the probable Truth " as Castro once put it. Today, far from my home of Hexadecimals , i'd like to be nosy and endeavour the Truth with SOL intelligentsia ( everyone is a member ). That i´m here writing this topic is mine as well as your Truth, but beyond that raises the question of your conception of this very Truth. Both the Correspondence Theory of the Truth and the Coherence Theory of Truth seem so to agree with my above Statement , but slightly disagree about your conception of my Truth. Aristole once defined the truth as "To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true". Does that make sense to you ? if so then how ? Basically As my Statement shows a person’s conception of the Truth is deeply intertwined with their conception of reality, and "Ultimate Truth " can´t be the Whole of Reality , but a portion of sort. Most of my Oponents have been of the idea that their belief is true and real when they can incorporate it in an orderly and logical manner into a larger and complex system of other beliefs, while i was of the idea that Truth must first somehow correspond to a fact or reality to be beleived in. A belief can be and sometimes is an inaccurate description of some sort of reality, thus sometimes fit into a larger, complex system of further inaccurate descriptions of some sort of realities. Could that inaccurate belief still called a Truth.? a probable Truth? Any Truth? Am i making any sense to you? What is your Truth and how do you conclude that i´m here writing this topic is really my as well as your Truth? Mutakalim surely knew what he was talking about when he called me a " Feylasuf".

Thanks Alexus !! I´ve always wondered what was wrong with me ... now i know, i gues ..... . but i happen to know white ppl that tell me i´m smarter than them, weird huh! eh skip it, they´re sure taking me for a white guy !!

The unanswered question is not weather there are Somali christians regardless of the level of their knowledge about Islam, but how accepted are they among their communities? Is Somali = Muslim? or an identity of blood, culture environment etc etc?

Originally posted by Tyjwania: I had spent so many years with an image in my mind, and when we got together after three years, I was not only bored to tears, but I realized that it was ALL in my head (he was the worst kind of &&^%*, dayuus :mad: ) Getting together cured me of my long-long term longing! Aboow Aboow !! Originally posted by Tyjwania: I've since put the torch out, and instead wonder who might be out there carrying a torch for me. JB raises his hand , I do abaayo macaaney!

Naden, Self-reflection and balanced positive questioning of what one believes are fair and a badly needed quality, especially in contrast to the prevailing belief system on SOL where principles such as self-criticizing or critical thinking are all but unheard of. Without self-flagellation or showing a need to belittle other belief systems you’ve naturally questioned the correlation between the buttocks of the slave women and the end of the world, all done in the face of a murderous forces that would destroy all one holds dear simply because it isn’t appropriate to think the way you think Kudos Naden, with this you sure would’ve made to the list of SOL intelligentsia . that is if such a list exists Now to understand and answer that question, i’ve to engage it on both a empathetic and critical level, and never psychologize or dismiss it as some sort of “death cult prophecy†unworthy of any sort of engagement. Thought we can’t prove that life and this Universe are created, we’re in for the assumption that Death replaces Life and the Universe will be wrapped , without further questioning, we try to answer the entailing question of “When will that take place?†, and since your faith doesn’t answer that question even with an approximate time span, you’re given hints in the form of other signs . Obviously empathetic enough , i’d agree with the notion of the answerer being equally as ignorant as the questioner, and swallow the non sequitur but humanly human assumption of the exciting portents of Female slaves and their children, ( I’ve yet to see a Camel giving birth ), but to be slightly critical , I’d reject the portent of the Slave woman giving birth to her Master ,her buttocks or any other portent because it floors the previous statement namely the answerer being equally as ignorant as the questioner. And if we solve the know-how of the answerer in the elementary equation like this : A = the unknown time , 10 = The Slave women giving birth to her Master, 15 = the moving buttocks of the Dausis. A + 10 = 15; 15 – 10 = A ; A = 5; Then it contradicts the Quran where it says no one else knows the time but the Deity , unless The answerer is somehow exchanged with the Deity itself. Now , Does the answerer knew more than he wanted to share , but gave some hints to help the questioner find out for himself or Does the answerer fantasize ? You see, either way I can’t seem to answer your question without questioning your basic assumption and that you wouldn’t like Say, Why do think that the Universe will be wrapped in the first place ?