The point , How does the Somali person's face look like while expressing the N'word? Does he look like an angry skin-head ?

SB, sorry for the late input, i've been busy doing some weird stuff, got a year older among other things !!. Originally posted by Socod_badne: You're rationalizing your position here. The charge you're making unfalsifiable/unverifiable claim still stands. Are you not claiming Theism is false brought about by it's incoherency? That is not testable claim but mere belief. Thus, why I initially said both you and the Theists got nothing but vying beliefs (theists call it FAITH). My position is not beeing fairly charged, That any attempt to prove a negative of this magnitude will not lend itself to testability depends not on my position, it depends on the nature of theist's omnipresent claim. the nucleus of the charge seems to be testing the untestable, and that disregards the fact that only a rationally justified beleif is often based on empirical evidence , i.e more likely to ascertain truth than an incoherently claim based on faith. Would the charges be dismissed if i cut a wide swath and reason that , Since our thoughts and concepts are the exclusive product of our own brain and there is no empirical evidence againt that , i.e that particular God does not exist?

^^So , it is true FGM is meant to keep our girls(wives) sexual apetite down? skip that !, MIM, are you kind of guy(Man) who doesen't care the sexual response you get from your partner(wife)? the unresponding she is the better, you just do your thing and go " aaaaaaaaaaaaah " ?

EDIT ^^So you do believe in Angels! ** JB takes his belongings and moves to the political section . ** I'm seeking asylum from Northerner's political theology.

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^Angels are not so small to fly around a hat! Prove that! Originally posted by Northerner: Man, I have been pointing towards your ‘critical/rational thinking’ for the past 3 or 4 posts by trying to highlight it’s short-comings - that it is not critical nor rational In that case , you've been failing yourself by reading too much possitivity in my texts all the time. Originally posted by Northerner: as: a) You cant prove your stance – there is no god b) You havnt critically assessed the literature that points towards the contrary – there is one god Please define critical thinking JB. You not off the hock yet. A: Since my stance is a function of your incoherent claim and you woulden't define your God, my stance can only be proved if you define God and existence, my proof demonstrate that there is no emperical evidence for your claim. B: you're in no position to know what i've critically assessed, hence B is rationally false claim. critical thinking is my only thought process where i critically examine the claims and crtique the arguments by applying logic to safeguard my intellectual integrity. Am i off the hook now?

Becouse our Somali culture imprted and continues to imprt is not a reason to abandon it , as some tend to express it . actually there is no culture that doesen't import and export, call it a cultural evolution if u like, None of the cultures in the middle-east or indian subcontinent are free of ifluence from other cultures. Even if few Somalis sleep on that wooden-billow still it has the identity of being a Somali billow. I love the decoration on it, bless that nomadic mind.

Originally posted by Northerner: JB, You disappoint me man! Well not really as i 'know' what you dont Now, I have never heard of this Godel nor am I into philosophy but don’t you think his above statement is a little simplistic? Ala Darwin’s “we just came to be” theory? I will take it that you cannot prove your stance but still think its true. But one can’t have such an assumption without reading texts in favour of the positive (there is a god). Just as you do when writing essays/reports, one must delve deeper into the argument and cover all sides. I assume you have’nt gone quite that far. Please do and report back any findings. We shall continue in the future IA (god willing) Sure i could have disappointed you , if you diden't put that tin foil hat on , actually you put on TWO hats just incase. As for Gödel , frankly speaking, he has nothing to do with Dawrin, but it's a common misconception among the theists, that anything areligious is Darwinistic. unlike you, i don't read anything into texts, i just apply a critical thinking, thus stay neuteral in my reading. Originally posted by Northerner: Ps I have given up on politics (for now)! yeah , sure , and pigs fly. Ps, we both could have been great Agnostics, and bought SB's extra strong hats, but then, you'd have angels flying around the tip of your hat anyway.

Originally posted by Khalaf: Asxantu JB, u and Cara proved that u were never Muslims to begin wit , had no understanding of islamic aqeedah of tawheed.......I suspect Cara was rasied a christian and u had no correct teachings of islam, arabs probably were racist towards u and u linked arabs with islam. Khalaf , walalo, abow, you don't need to personalize and speculate on me and Cara's background( as dare i say "we" don't give us the right to speculate in yours), as for my islamic teachings , who're you walalo to call it improper? or Cara beeing raised not by her own (propeply somali )parents ? Just to put you on the right track,i never had anything to do with Arabs in my life, for me they're just like any other ethnic people. I had a "Assyriska" Assyrian classmate back in the 4th grade, I've no reason to hate them. you're right about one thing though, my dislike to the Arabic dominance on the Somali culture is not a thing i try to hide, and it can be wrongly understood, i don't dislike the religion of my own mother( Islam ), i know the difference. Originally posted by Khalaf: Heres the thing man I don’t condem those who doubt/question matter fact those who question (if they are sincere) find the truth- Islam. I remember as kid- 8yrs old sitting on my window late at night looking at stars saying if there is a God out there show me a sign, cause lightening, or cause me to die and bring me back to life.....no joke! I always used to think about why am I here........why are we made like this the human form, ect..........i wasnt cool wit u were born and one day u will die. But I was born with fitra as u. You've my deepest sympathy to have gone through those difficult questios for a child's mind walal, but then assuming that you probably got satisfactory answers somewhere, why not share those answers walal? why not bring it forward and hope we too find them satisfactory walal? why do you've to instead assume that we came to this forum searching instead of thinking for our own? Originally posted by Khalaf: nothing wrong with questioning..........even the Prophet Ibrahem asked for signs...................here is the problem the sincere person the truthseeker seraches.......they don’t come on forums to argue n to make mockery.........they ask for guidance, they think about the world, themselves and from their reasoning they either accept or reject. U and Cara are not sincere in my opinion.......Allah knows best..........but don’t think u can mislead the Muslims here.........u will only waste ur time ..........sxb this fast life soon shatters...............u will die and u will enter 6 inch hole in dirt: Stop goofing around, and making mockery and be honest with urself..... sincere advice! Khalaf, Have you ever pondered on why more than a billion human beeings adhere to Islam? Walalo ,If you did , you sure had agree with me that thay're not Muslims just to Mock or question other Faiths. It so happens that one's mockery can be one's questioning. Have you ever wondered how a Hindu person would feel when you express your Islamic stance regarding the existence of other Gods? believe you me , the Hindu's God(s) can sadly feel 'mocked' by the expression of your Islamic Stance. ps... Death is not something to be afraid of, it's a natural thing to do in my books.

I've other plans for the coming holidays.

Somebody owes me to take me there. Awesome !!

Originally posted by Northerner: JB, You know my (and everyone elses in my view as a Muslim - edit) god. So please use your 'rational' and evaluate his existance. Thanks. Northerner , for Ahura's sake, stop pulling my leg , i woulden't know your exact Perception of Allah, and you woulden't be in for much of a surprise if i asserted that you and you alone have monopoly on that knowledge, we only know what you present to us. That you're all of a sudden reticent or should i say secretive about sharing your Perception of Allah is beyond every reasonable mind here, Your copying and pasting other's atricles and Perceptions are acceptable as ideas and perceptions that you may agree with, but remain nothing but others'. maybe your days at the politcs section had the best of you. Pooja Abayo, you stand corrected, you seem to have misunderstood me , i only reject the existence of those Deities that have been presented to me, those Gods i haven't heard of , i woulden't know of them. Maybe,you'd be in for a shock if u found out that there are as much Deities as persons who have faith in them, maybe even paralized to hear your own 'Allah' beeing defined differently than you've ever imagined. Originally posted by Socod_badne: Granted but note that rationally justified to deny anything that is incoherent only leaves you with justified belief , nothing more. One can't verify the truth of your claim (Allah can not exist as He is incoherent) or falsify it. Absent these two necessary conditions for making truth claims (Allah doesn't exist etc), any statement of the ilk is, prima facie , mere belief. SB, you can't imagine how much i appreciate the civility, cincerity and respect it entails to exchange with you . Let's assume that i'm familiar with Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem, and the paradox of the liar, having a profession that deals with AI on a daily basis, let's assume again that i'm familiar with the journey of an assertion from beeing a paradox to becoming an unproveable to proveable assertion. Without questioning Gödel's theory,i've to clarify the position of my Atheism towards a Theist's claim of certain knowledge regarding the existence of a particular God, Firstly , it's the assertion of the Theist we're soley dealing with, there is no claim of own , the possibility or probability of his claim's trueness and falseness is a function of his claim. F(x), and this is very impotant to understand. The Theist's claim of possessing certain knowledge does not at the same time mean the Theist's lack of possessesion of that very knowledge, that according to "tertium non datur". Simply put, a Theist, by claiming "there is that particualr God" runs over or falsifies the negative or possitive version of his claim,( negative in this case)," there is no that particular God",namely, the very notion that is beeing claimed to be the Atheist's claim. I'am a tall person can't mean i'm a short person at the same time, but runs over or falsifies the negative or possitive version of it's claim , (negative in this case) namely i'm not a tall person. The Theist's conclusion is F(1) through incoherency , while the Atheist's conclusion is F(0) through rationally justified beleif. An Atheist's default position is not "there is no that particular God", it's an ignorant position, it's our natural position dare i add. According to Gödel's oroiginal proof: "If this assertion is unprovable, then it is true, and the formalization of number theory in question is incomplete. If this assertion is provable, then it is false, and the formalization of number theory is inconsistent." I come off as having a rationally justified beleif while the Theist comes off as incoherently inconsistent, and i've no problem with that. I don't think we so violently disagree !!

Originally posted by mantra: I fail to see what is so appealing.. so do i, it's as sexy as a Tent ,one thing is for sure though , Nigerian guyz are good for beeing a "kept man".

Originally posted by Tukaale: ^^ My friend you r trying to use your heard to argue what exists and what not? Given that 'heard' means 'head', answer is yes, i do use my head to argue, what do you use? Originally posted by Tukaale: Before we embark into that journey did I hear that u believe in what u call as a god, Casper. Or Not god exists in brain as rumours fly around... LOL Guess what kind of beeing Casper is again, you're miles away ! Originally posted by Tukaale: So, Do u believe that God exists? however different that may be to my believe, not matters.. Not only did you get it all wrong, you're beeing quite dishonest right in our eyes, becouse which God exists matters alot, if it's not your God, you're in trouble.

Originally posted by mantra: i've yet to see one Somali cultural practice worth hanging on to... Doesen't that depend on how SOMALI you are to start with? Could it be so , the more arabic you speak the more you fall inline with what the Quran says , hence assume that there is no single somali cultural practice that is worth to be hanged on, dressing like an Arab girl is even far neater than the hot Xalimo you presumeably are?

Northerner, some seriousity is in order. Assuming that you're a Muslim , wouldent you agree that the assertion: " There is no God but Allah " is equally Atheistic towards all other possible Gods of other religions and belif systems, including my Casper( the Ghost ) ? A disbeleif in some Gods is something we already share,and we both have ample reason to do so, only this time i need you to define your God so i can evaluate if he /she/it really passes the test, hence exists. Only rationally justified beliefs can be and often are based upon empirical evidence , thusly fall short of absolute certainty. now compare that absolute certainity to the one you claim to have when you're worshiping your God. SB, not all universal negatives are impossible to prove, given that we'r rationally justified to deny anything that is incoherent. If i as an Atheist find a Theist's beleif in the existence of a particular God rationally incoherent, then i'm entitled to say that particular God does not exist, and with certainty, without me being ominscient. My stance is a fuction of his claim , no

Originally posted by NGONGE: I do hope that this is nothing but political manoeuvrings and that these incompetents do not go ahead with fighting the other long bearded incompetents in the capital. This whole thing is quite disheartening and makes me wonder if there are any wise heads in Somalia at all. DITTO !

this banner of Islam belongs to all.... the scholars, leaders of Islam were not arabs but other Muslims......be cool sxb. If somali culture contridicts Islam.......then it should be abondened.....KHALAS. Such a stance is exactly what strengthens Mr peacenow point of view. This is utterly misleading, if it's ONLY about that banner and it belongs to all, then we'd have more Arabs dressing like us Somalis or Pakistanis, it is undeniable that the Somali's adoption of Islam has ( and still is leading to) led to cultural drought.

Northerner, no risk !! " Can you possibly enlighten us as to why you dont think there is GOD? " Khalaf, that was Pooja's request. And unlike you , she was (or so i found her) genuinely cincere in her request. You on the other hand are someone who harbours a strong belief that is entirely based on Faith, and not on empirical data or evidence whatsoever, that means you're an irrational person who'd carelessly continue having that belief in the face of every empirical data and evidence i or anybody else provides, hence, your disingenuous request to hear the proof for the nonexistence of an undefined Deity. If you think you know the God Pooja is talking about, which i doubt you do,or the God you claim i reject or deny his/her existence , please do define that God , and given that Pooja acknowledges what you provide, i'd be more than happy to accept or reject that Deity's existence and provide my proofs. A deeply religious person like you woulden't have a problem defining the Deity he so devotes his life to worshiping it, or would he? Maybe, just maybe, that is something to ponder over.

Pooja , to enlight you , we need to define God first. It may sound weird or a pusyfooting from my part , but people belive in different Gods.

The answer is Njääää

Very intresting claims there !! Firstly welcome to SOL, secondly thanks for sharing that piece of mind. Having among us Somalis from Hargeisa who beleive that we Somalis don't have a culture of our own, you'll need more than your Helmet. so be ready to poor more of what you get.

Holly Molly , i mean ( oh my God ), i feel busted , so exposed , unmasked , my pretencious Atheism is undressed. Northener, you're forcing me to make a decision on, weather to teach you what Atheism is all about for real ( becouse You seem to have been exposed to a flawed [adultred if u like] description of Atheism ), or save myself a feeling since what you've shown in your last post is a everything but a cincere questioning of why your God is disregarded by Atheists. Nevertheless, i hearby go for the first, and without the slightest hope of causing a theological earthquake in your thought shelter at that. Good Northener, I haven't "dodged" for any theory , actually you haven't named a theory at all,except on your last post , you had an opinion,as it were, and i told you that i respect your opinion regardless, but corrected your assumption of Atheists and Theists having equally absurd claims. Now let's deal with your conjecture of 'convenience' becouse in my world , a Theory proposes, describes, explains and is capable of being tested through. Your knowledge of the reason why an Atheist is an Atheist leavs much to be desired, and your absolute knowledge of my belif in (your) God is a mental viscosity that leavs no room for natural human malleability, you could have at least preserved an ounce of self-respect and let me do the substantiating of why i don't beleive in your God, imagine me telling you how to pray, though i don't know who you talk to in your prayers. Northerner, The requirement to proof your existential claim of a Deity is not made out of convenience, since your existential claim of a Deity is not self-evident, it follows to demand of you to substantiate your claims. If i claim that Casper is a real Ghost that not only exist(just as your God ) but talks to me and reveals the secrets of SOL users, you'd be most reasonable to demand a proof, calling your demand a convenience while claiming my claim to be true is fallacious, my inability to support my claims provides you the rationality to disregard my claim. and that is where your " convenience theory" heads. That about that. Now, Can you please define your God ? So, i can evaluate if i can agree or disagree to the existance of your God. becouse without you doing that , i can't deny it's existance.

^ What a hospitality , ever since you got that paying Job, not only your wallet has grown in size , so has your dewalp too . Don't repeat my mistake with 'Sacdiyo' on her first post. people are kind of wary , abit nevry and put much of a courage in their first post u know. BeetleJuice , welcome to SOL . Dayum , it felt so good, triumphing on Ibtisam's expenses.

and the fact that any faraax that is too soft for a cosmapotilan is such fruit cake..... Foxy , i miss you so ...

^and who am i to fetch your oponion?, none. just a lil tiny correction, there're no respective claims, there is only one( uno ) single claim, and unsubstantiated at that. 'There is no that particular God' has to be preceded by ' there is that particular God',no? See, we're making progress !!